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Title: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on April 07, 2014, 10:37:40 PM
I just watched the first episode of the new season, and was wondering what you guys thought about it?

I liked it in general. Not much happening, but I know what's coming, so my hopes are high. Thought the actor playing Oberyn Martell was a great choice!

And Arya's relationship with the Hound gave us the best sentence in the whole episode. The one about people who name their swords... ;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on April 08, 2014, 12:01:46 AM
Arya was awesome the entire episode. The way she repeated the scene with Lommy was absolutely chilling. Maisie Williams can really act. I can see them getting through the remainder of A Storm of Swords quite quickly and moving onto A Feast for Crows and maybe even some of A Dance with Dragons this season already.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: JonRock411 on April 08, 2014, 12:51:54 AM
I will admit to preferring the Arya scene in the book when it's the Tickler,but this was a good opener.  Very set-uppy but that was expected.  Glad we finally have the Martells and looking forward to them, (especially THAT fight).   Though next episode will be good, finally everyone gets what they want
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Arry on April 08, 2014, 02:43:25 AM
I lovd Arya's scene in the book with Tickler, but actually really liked this one as well. And sometimes it's fun having something a little different thrown our way.

I have to confess to much preferring the old Daario.  :-\ this one, so far, seems quite boring.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on April 08, 2014, 04:05:31 AM
There was a recap in one of our papers and the girl who wrote it also preferred the old Daario. She used to call him Faabio, she's named this one Maario.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on April 08, 2014, 08:15:17 AM
I wondered about recording everything to see in one go versus watching week by week, but I relented.

Why oh why change the first scene? Just to add a brothel and nudity and "get the boys back watching"? ::)
I love Arya :D


I can see them getting through the remainder of A Storm of Swords quite quickly
Do you think? They're still showing stuff from volume 1... although mixing with later parts of 2, yes, and whatever else they can think of.
I just want the next big death to happen ;D so it depends on how quickly they move "two weeks".

Sidenote: weekend papers were again full of articles about how watching GoT isn't really liking fantasy *sigh*
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on April 08, 2014, 10:33:29 AM
Why oh why change the first scene? Just to add a brothel and nudity and "get the boys back watching"? ::)

Don't be unfair, I know plenty of girls (and some boys) that drooled over Oberyn Martell!  :P

I'm not sure about the new Daario. But I was always very suspicious about him in the books, so I'm a bit biased against him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on April 08, 2014, 11:09:55 AM
Why oh why change the first scene? Just to add a brothel and nudity and "get the boys back watching"? ::)
Don't be unfair, I know plenty of girls (and some boys) that drooled over Oberyn Martell!  :P

 ;D
I actually lean towards Ellaria, hehe, but I still resent the actress from her Torchwood character, so nothing to see there (oh if only Cersei wasn't 'bad', plenty to drool over there, and Margaery, and Brienne when she smiles :-[)

(sorry for lowering the tone...)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Lejays17 on April 08, 2014, 01:01:42 PM
Brienne & Jaime's scene was one of my favourites of the whole episode - I really enjoy their relationship.

Also the Hound and Arya's scenes, especially the Hound's line about people who name their swords...  :)

Not too sure about the new Daario, I'll give him an episode or two before making a firm judgement.  dany's going to have lots of problems with her dragons soon, I think, going by their behaviour tonight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on April 08, 2014, 03:02:50 PM

I actually lean towards Ellaria, hehe, but I still resent the actress from her Torchwood character, so nothing to see there (oh if only Cersei wasn't 'bad', plenty to drool over there, and Margaery, and Brienne when she smiles :-[)

Only know her from the HBO series 'Rome', so I have nothing against her  ;)


dany's going to have lots of problems with her dragons soon, I think, going by their behaviour tonight.

Yeah, looking forward to that as well!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: JonRock411 on April 08, 2014, 06:45:05 PM
I just want the next big death to happen ;D so it depends on how quickly they move "two weeks".

I'm pretty sure the next big death is next episode since that's the wedding.   Unless you mean the next "heroic" death, then that would be...I believe
either Oberyn or Ygritte,
but I may be wrong.   Most of the deaths for the rest of SoS were "villian" characters, as much as you can use that word in this world. (One of them, I'm actually annoyed they died. Which is odd because I never cared for any of the deaths in the first three seasons/2.5 books)

Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on April 08, 2014, 07:03:47 PM
Oh I wasn't sure if we were allowed spoilers on this thread hehe - yes, I meant the wedding, which someone was mentioning would happen "in 2 weeks". I didn't know how fast they were moving the plot or finding fillers outside the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on April 08, 2014, 07:15:15 PM
Oh I wasn't sure if we were allowed spoilers on this thread hehe - yes, I meant the wedding, which someone was mentioning would happen "in 2 weeks". I didn't know how fast they were moving the plot or finding fillers outside the books.

Well, this was supposed to be spoilers-free... Too late now. Maybe a mod can add (SPOILERS) to the subject of this thread, just in case we don't blow it for people who haven't read it yet?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: JonRock411 on April 08, 2014, 07:31:07 PM
Oh I wasn't sure if we were allowed spoilers on this thread hehe - yes, I meant the wedding, which someone was mentioning would happen "in 2 weeks". I didn't know how fast they were moving the plot or finding fillers outside the books.

Well, this was supposed to be spoilers-free... Too late now. Maybe a mod can add (SPOILERS) to the subject of this thread, just in case we don't blow it for people who haven't seen it yet?

Oh, oops.  I thought spoilers were okay, I'm sorry
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on April 08, 2014, 08:47:57 PM
who haven't seen read it yet

Corrected your sentence ;D
(nobody has seen it, unless they were involved in the production, hehe)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on April 08, 2014, 09:17:21 PM
who haven't seen read it yet

Corrected your sentence ;D
(nobody has seen it, unless they were involved in the production, hehe)

My bad, thanks ;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on April 09, 2014, 01:12:16 AM
I wondered about recording everything to see in one go versus watching week by week, but I relented.

Why oh why change the first scene? Just to add a brothel and nudity and "get the boys back watching"? ::)




Yes, when the brothel scene came up I said 'That didn't take long. Got to have your completely gratuitous nudity in I guess.' Of course it is HBO and I'm sure the B stands for Boobs.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Sa5muelSB on April 09, 2014, 07:03:24 PM
Believe me, I am so excited. The news that there will be a season 5 and 6 made me even happier. But the only down side is the hope that GRRM might not work according to the series' speed..
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on April 14, 2014, 11:24:26 PM
So... Episode 02 had a nice ending.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on April 15, 2014, 08:17:26 AM
 ;D Hurrah!
Good riddance :D

And at least our spoiler was short-lived, so we don't have to feel guilty - but this is a *books* forum: I always assume that a thread with a book name on the title has spoilers, so I don't read it if I haven't read the book.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: CameronJohnston on April 15, 2014, 09:44:26 AM
We all did love to hate that odious little twerp, Joffrey. *snickers*.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on April 15, 2014, 09:56:27 AM
Also, yesterday we saw the true problems of growing boys.
While Sansa and Arya remain relatively unscathed from the previous season, poor Bran has changed a lot! In my opinion that really affects the story, since he no longer looks the 12 or so they made him on TV, much less the 8 he was supposed to be in the books :-\
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: xiagan on April 15, 2014, 10:06:37 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/2D6SLLg.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: CameronJohnston on April 15, 2014, 10:16:09 AM
Also, yesterday we saw the true problems of growing boys.
While Sansa and Arya remain relatively unscathed from the previous season, poor Bran has changed a lot! In my opinion that really affects the story, since he no longer looks the 12 or so they made him on TV, much less the 8 he was supposed to be in the books :-\

Very much so. They are growing up much quicker than in the books. Just wait until season 7 when Isaac Hempstead Wright is who plays Bran is 17 in real life.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Nighteyes on April 15, 2014, 10:22:22 AM
As a book fan the Bran and Theon/ Ramsey plotlines are the most intriguing as basically Bran is now almost reached the end of his ASOS storyline (I believe he met Sam at the end of the last series didn't he?) I can't imagine they will just have one or two more fleeting clips before meeting Coldhands and then leave him hanging for a season.  And the Theon/ Ramsey plotline is in all new territory. Can imagine it building into a battle at Moat Caitlin and meeting Asha Greyjoy two seasons ahead of the books.  Will he then stay captive though to earn his redemption as shown in ADWD?

Other than that there is still plenty of material from ASOS to show.  I expect the focus over the next couple of episodes to refocus on the Wall and the march to Mereen. (Sorry about mispellings.)

This season though will have so many 'holy shit' moments though that I wonder how they will adapt the slightly duller next two books. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on April 16, 2014, 01:26:56 AM
Natalie Bochenksi (think I spelled her name right) recaps the episodes with her own rather amusing take on them in The Age newspaper down here, always retitles the episodes to fit how she sees them. She called episode 1 Stabby Stabby and 2 was called OMIGOD. I think this will go down as one of THE moments of the series along with Ned's execution and the Red Wedding. I think they're setting Ramsay up to replace Joffrey as the character everyone loves to hate, Iwan Rheon is doing an excellent job with him, by the way. I was a little ambivalent with a lot of season 3, but this one is turning out to be a real cracker. Nice snide little digs at people from Inigo Martell (sorry, I can't help it. I keep expecting him to say 'Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya, etc...') and even Loras got into the act by telling Jaime that he'd never marry Cersei either. Natalie has a few alternative names for various characters, Loras is always Slow Loras and Margaery is always called Kate Middleton. Nice move to keep Bronn front and centre by making him be the one to teach Jaime how to use the other hand to fight, rather than Ilyn Payne, although I do think the actor who played Payne is quite ill. Shame we'll never heat Jaime tell Payne that he talks too much when he loses his temper with him after a training session.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on April 16, 2014, 05:46:19 PM
I think this will go down as one of THE moments of the series along with Ned's execution and the Red Wedding.

The toilet scene (trying to avoid any spoiler), that will hopefully be part of this season, will also be one of the series greatest moments. After that, the books lacked any of those past strong punches, unless I'm forgetting something.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: JonRock411 on April 16, 2014, 07:54:10 PM
I think this will go down as one of THE moments of the series along with Ned's execution and the Red Wedding.

The toilet scene (trying to avoid any spoiler), that will hopefully be part of this season, will also be one of the series greatest moments. After that, the books lacked any of those past strong punches, unless I'm forgetting something.

Well y'know...there's a certain return in the epilogue.

And Book five has the whole Julius Caesar routine.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on April 16, 2014, 11:27:12 PM
I think this will go down as one of THE moments of the series along with Ned's execution and the Red Wedding.

The toilet scene (trying to avoid any spoiler), that will hopefully be part of this season, will also be one of the series greatest moments. After that, the books lacked any of those past strong punches, unless I'm forgetting something.

Well y'know...there's a certain return in the epilogue.

And Book five has the whole Julius Caesar routine.
There's been some theorising that the return will be in episode 9 to continue the tradition of using that episode for some of the OMG moments. I'm looking forward to a number of things, but book 3 was very hard to top and to be honest I don't think George has done so yet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Nighteyes on April 16, 2014, 11:36:20 PM
There are so many HOLY SHIT moments in ASOS part 2 that they should just make episode 9 a bit dull for a real shocker.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Arry on April 17, 2014, 12:33:46 AM
and at some point they have to bring in
zombiefied Cat. That was a holy shit moment for me in the books, but not necessarily a good holy shit. I was glad to see her character go, and not so happy to see her come back

I think this thread should be full on spoilers for the entire book series. That's how we've done these before. But just incase, I couldn't figure out how to make mine more vague like the others.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on April 17, 2014, 01:05:25 AM
I think this thread should be full on spoilers for the entire book series. That's how we've done these before.

I didn't know that, but since no one seems to have complained about spoilers, I think there's no problem in having them.

And yes, I share your feelings on the Zombie comeback. The one thing I loved about GRRM was the fact that he killed characters we loved, even though it pained us. I wasn't so keen on that comeback.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: JonRock411 on April 17, 2014, 06:22:14 AM
There are so many HOLY SHIT moments in ASOS part 2 that they should just make episode 9 a bit dull for a real shocker.

Episode 9 is just Jaime standing over Tywin's grave in real time
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Idlewilder on April 17, 2014, 01:53:14 PM
Also, yesterday we saw the true problems of growing boys.
While Sansa and Arya remain relatively unscathed from the previous season, poor Bran has changed a lot! In my opinion that really affects the story, since he no longer looks the 12 or so they made him on TV, much less the 8 he was supposed to be in the books :-\

Affect the story? If it's going where the books go, Bran is
basically going to be a tree in a few episodes time.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Arry on April 17, 2014, 01:57:35 PM
Also, yesterday we saw the true problems of growing boys.
While Sansa and Arya remain relatively unscathed from the previous season, poor Bran has changed a lot! In my opinion that really affects the story, since he no longer looks the 12 or so they made him on TV, much less the 8 he was supposed to be in the books :-\

Affect the story? If it's going where the books go, Bran is
basically going to be a tree in a few episodes time.

Yeah, this is my assessment as well. The actors are older than they were in the books, but really, I haven't seen it impact the actual story or events in any way. It really ends up being more of a visual difference, which in my opinion doesn't matter nearly as much. There could be difference in maturity levels with age, but given the circumstances for all the Starks, they left their childhood behind regardless of the actual or perceived age.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on April 17, 2014, 06:33:18 PM
Sorry.
I *really* need to re-read them all *sigh*
(I love books and read loads, but I only retain certain flashes or plot events... 4 years is a long time and my memory only seems to work with numbers. Really bad, but then again I can re-read and almost feel like a new book, hehe)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on April 18, 2014, 01:33:18 AM
Also, yesterday we saw the true problems of growing boys.
While Sansa and Arya remain relatively unscathed from the previous season, poor Bran has changed a lot! In my opinion that really affects the story, since he no longer looks the 12 or so they made him on TV, much less the 8 he was supposed to be in the books :-\

Affect the story? If it's going where the books go, Bran is
basically going to be a tree in a few episodes time.

Yeah, this is my assessment as well. The actors are older than they were in the books, but really, I haven't seen it impact the actual story or events in any way. It really ends up being more of a visual difference, which in my opinion doesn't matter nearly as much. There could be difference in maturity levels with age, but given the circumstances for all the Starks, they left their childhood behind regardless of the actual or perceived age.
I saw that from the previews, and it makes sense with how obviously Isaac Hempstead Wright has aged. They can hide the fact that he's grown by dragging him around in the litter and covering his legs up, but his face is clearly that of a boy older than his age in the show. They got lucky with Maisie Turner and Sophie Turner in that Maisie is still quite small and looks even more so when paired with Rory McCann who is a big man, and Sophie probably had her full growth when she started doing the show, although I'm sure she had a growth spurt between filming the pilot and the first episode of the series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Eclipse on April 18, 2014, 12:32:00 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Nighteyes on April 22, 2014, 07:43:37 PM
So they took probably the 'ickiest' scene in the book and turned it into a rape.  Least favourite change to date as seems to invalidate Jamie's character growth.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Arry on April 23, 2014, 01:17:39 AM
So they took probably the 'ickiest' scene in the book and turned it into a rape.  Least favourite change to date as seems to invalidate Jamie's character growth.
Yeah, this is one case where I really prefer the book version, but I'm not sure it bothered me as much as some viewers. Here's GRRM's reaction to it (or at least the reaction he can voice publicly. Who knows if we could/would be able to get a full honest reaction).

Quote
“In the novels, Jaime is not present at Joffrey’s death, and indeed, Cersei has been fearful that he is dead himself, that she has lost both the son and the father/ lover/ brother. And then suddenly Jaime is there before her. Maimed and changed, but Jaime nonetheless. Though the time and place is wildly inappropriate and Cersei is fearful of discovery, she is as hungry for him as he is for her.
The whole dynamic is different in the show, where Jaime has been back for weeks at the least, maybe longer, and he and Cersei have been in each other’s company on numerous occasions, often quarreling. The setting is the same, but neither character is in the same place as in the books, which may be why [producers] played the sept out differently. But that’s just my surmise; we never discussed this scene, to the best of my recollection.
Also, I was writing the scene from Jaime’s POV, so the reader is inside his head, hearing his thoughts. On the TV show, the camera is necessarily external. You don’t know what anyone is thinking or feeling, just what they are saying and doing.
If the show had retained some of Cersei’s dialogue from the books, it might have left a somewhat different impression — but that dialogue was very much shaped by the circumstances of the books, delivered by a woman who is seeing her lover again for the first time after a long while apart during which she feared he was dead. I am not sure it would have worked with the new timeline.
That’s really all I can say on this issue. The scene was always intended to be disturbing… but I do regret if it has disturbed people for the wrong reasons.”

Quoted from: http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/04/21/george-r-r-martin-thrones-rape/

Reading that, it definitely makes sense the scene had to change, but still feel like maybe there could have been another way. But, he said it was supposed to be a disturbing scene either way, and if that was the goal, hbo succeeded.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on April 23, 2014, 01:32:25 AM
This is the sort of problem you run into when adapting a work and altering the timing of certain events. Arry, you're far from alone with having issues in the way this scene was presented. Did anyone else notice that Aidan Gillen's accent was a good deal stronger than it has been in the past? I can't remember what they did with Ser Dontos' body in the books, but I would have thought they would have dropped it into the water or sunk the boat rather than just leaving him floating out there. Maybe Gendry will run into it, as far as we know he's still trying to work out how to row to Kings Landing from Dragonstone and not drown in the process.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on April 24, 2014, 05:19:43 PM
So they took probably the 'ickiest' scene in the book and turned it into a rape.  Least favourite change to date as seems to invalidate Jamie's character growth.

I was disappointed with the way it turned out to be in the show. Having read George R. R. Martin's opinion on the matter, though, I'll try to understand it.

I did enjoy the part where Tywin wasted little time getting inside Tommen's head. That was an interesting scene (I don't remember that happening in the books, but I've read them in a while, and my memory is quite flawed), and it is the first where we get to know a bit of what going through Tommen's mind.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on April 25, 2014, 12:36:04 AM
So they took probably the 'ickiest' scene in the book and turned it into a rape.  Least favourite change to date as seems to invalidate Jamie's character growth.

I was disappointed with the way it turned out to be in the show. Having read George R. R. Martin's opinion on the matter, though, I'll try to understand it.

I did enjoy the part where Tywin wasted little time getting inside Tommen's head. That was an interesting scene (I don't remember that happening in the books, but I've read them in a while, and my memory is quite flawed), and it is the first where we get to know a bit of what going through Tommen's mind.
I also liked the character growth of Tommen, he's a good deal smarter than his older brother. It doesn't happen in the books, but that has a lot to do with book Tommen being about 9 years old and a quire gentle and sheltered 9 years old at that. From memory his favourite part of being king was playing with the royal seal when he had to send letters out, rather than TV Tommen who looks to be about 12 or 13 and a fairly sharp 12 or 13. Nearly every scene Charles Dance is in he gives extra depth to, just by being Charles Dance.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Arry on April 25, 2014, 12:43:11 AM
I was on the fence with Tommen. In some ways, I felt like he was being treated about the age he was in the books. But then he looked so much older. I think his is the first character where I felt like the visual (perceived) age of the actor did not quite match how they were handling him in the TV series. Some of the things he said/did, I felt seemed young. Maybe since I have an 11 year old, I am a little more nitpicky than I would be if I weren't around kids that age. I felt Tommen looked several years older than my son and his friends, but acted/was treated a couple years younger. I dunno. It didn't bother me enough to bring up on my own, but since people are discussing, that's my two cents. Ultimately, I love the show, and am not going to be too bothered by an actors appearance not necessarily lining up with what I would expect.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on April 25, 2014, 12:49:57 AM
I was on the fence with Tommen. In some ways, I felt like he was being treated about the age he was in the books. But then he looked so much older. I think his is the first character where I felt like the visual (perceived) age of the actor did not quite match how they were handling him in the TV series. Some of the things he said/did, I felt seemed young. Maybe since I have an 11 year old, I am a little more nitpicky than I would be if I weren't around kids that age. I felt Tommen looked several years older than my son and his friends, but acted/was treated a couple years younger. I dunno. It didn't bother me enough to bring up on my own, but since people are discussing, that's my two cents. Ultimately, I love the show, and am not going to be too bothered by an actors appearance not necessarily lining up with what I would expect.
It's probably partly because they changed the actor too. The current Tommen is not the original Tommen. I always felt book Tommen was written a little younger than he actually was, especially when I contrasted him with Bran, who was almost the same age.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Arry on April 25, 2014, 01:01:25 AM
I was on the fence with Tommen. In some ways, I felt like he was being treated about the age he was in the books. But then he looked so much older. I think his is the first character where I felt like the visual (perceived) age of the actor did not quite match how they were handling him in the TV series. Some of the things he said/did, I felt seemed young. Maybe since I have an 11 year old, I am a little more nitpicky than I would be if I weren't around kids that age. I felt Tommen looked several years older than my son and his friends, but acted/was treated a couple years younger. I dunno. It didn't bother me enough to bring up on my own, but since people are discussing, that's my two cents. Ultimately, I love the show, and am not going to be too bothered by an actors appearance not necessarily lining up with what I would expect.
It's probably partly because they changed the actor too. The current Tommen is not the original Tommen. I always felt book Tommen was written a little younger than he actually was, especially when I contrasted him with Bran, who was almost the same age.

my impression/reaction I posted was based solely on the scenes from the last episode. He wasn't featured enough previously for me to remember much about him from the TV series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ladygreen on April 26, 2014, 05:13:23 PM
So they took probably the 'ickiest' scene in the book and turned it into a rape.  Least favourite change to date as seems to invalidate Jamie's character growth.

Yes, I agree.  While “icky” in the book, the show made it downright gross, with one sibling clearly not consenting.  I was one of the disturbed, but the strange thing is, I only became disturbed after the episode was over.  I’m so used to appalling things happening while watching – I suppose I sort of numb myself for the hour and then when it’s over I’m like “HOLY *$#% what just happened?!”  It is interesting how they’ve made Cercei unreceptive as soon as Jaime gets back versus her reaction in the books, where she only turns cold after she realizes that Jaime has changed and isn’t willing to think or act like her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on April 29, 2014, 08:14:15 AM
Ok. There is change/adaptation, and there is change. Yesterday's was a major case of CHANGE >:(

I've always admitted to not remembering everything from the books, but I'm pretty sure 1 major plot direction did not happen like that, and 1 major scene was never conceived.
 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: sennydreadful on April 29, 2014, 11:24:07 AM
I quite enjoyed last night's sense of "Where on earth did that come from?!". I rather like being surprised, when normally as a reader of the books I usually have a good idea of what's about to happen.  :D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on April 29, 2014, 11:28:49 AM
I quite enjoyed last night's sense of "Where on earth did that come from?!". I rather like being surprised, when normally as a reader of the books I usually have a good idea of what's about to happen.  :D
I was the same really and honestly something had to be done with that storyline, because no one was going to watch a season or so of Bran and Co aimlessly wandering around beyond the Wall.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: sennydreadful on April 29, 2014, 11:45:52 AM
I quite enjoyed last night's sense of "Where on earth did that come from?!". I rather like being surprised, when normally as a reader of the books I usually have a good idea of what's about to happen.  :D
I was the same really and honestly something had to be done with that storyline, because no one was going to watch a season or so of Bran and Co aimlessly wandering around beyond the Wall.

Exactly! It was nice for them to have something to do for once...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Arry on April 29, 2014, 12:08:29 PM
I really enjoyed it. It's nice too watch and not already know how a scene is going to end. So, for the TV experience, it was great. Afterwards I did wonder how the TV show variations could possibly impact my reading experience whenever the next books come out. I prefer to read with no expectations of how the story will go. Well, no expectations other than my personal speculation based on previous books. Right now there's not much variation and I don't think it will matter, but as the series progresses and the wait for the books extends, will there be enough variation that I will start to speculate if the book will or won't follow the TV storyline? I imagine I'll enjoy the books regardless, but I am also hoping I don't end up having to either read something I already watched, or read something and think about how it is different than what I watched. Pretty much I'd rather read first, watch later. But I enjoy the show enough I'll keep watching. In all likelihood it will be so long before the books come out, I'll have forgotten the TV story lines anyway ;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Stars Cascade on April 29, 2014, 03:58:03 PM
I liked it. It def gave bran something to do besides look at trees and listen to hodor do his hodoring thing.  Im not sure what they're doing with Jaime though.  One week his a raping asshat, the next hes the saviour of kings landing.

Also, not enough hound/Arry. :/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on April 29, 2014, 11:44:48 PM
I didn't expect Joffrey's true murderers to be revealed so soon; it was actually fun to see my friends who haven't read the books discussing the possibilities, and coming up with some really weird ideas.

The whole thing beyond the wall was unexpected. I thought they would be increasing the tension regarding Mance Rayder's army, rather then open up new problems that take the attention away from that. But I'm curious about the trajectory followed by the show, and how different it will be from the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on April 30, 2014, 01:00:26 AM
I liked it. It def gave bran something to do besides look at trees and listen to hodor do his hodoring thing.  Im not sure what they're doing with Jaime though.  One week his a raping asshat, the next hes the saviour of kings landing.

Also, not enough hound/Arry. :/
Jaime's storyline this week followed the books both in spirit and execution. The sex scene with Cersei the week before was a departure at least in spirit from the books, although the act did take place it was entirely consensual from both sides. I think the people behind the show have acknowledge that they got that badly wrong.

With the principals being fairly scattered they don't have enough time to get everyone in every week. There was nothing about Stannis and Davos and co this week either, and where is Gendry? Still floating around on the Kings Sea trying not to fall out of the boat? I'd be surprised if we don't see some Hound and Arry this week, that whole storyline reminds me of Lone Wolf and Cub.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Arry on April 30, 2014, 09:46:09 PM
Also, not enough hound/Arry. :/

I always console myself when that happens with the fact that next week will likely feature them quite a bit.  ;D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Nighteyes on May 04, 2014, 09:57:14 PM
Also, not enough hound/Arry. :/

I always console myself when that happens with the fact that next week will likely feature them quite a bit.  ;D

We are still rocking it!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Nighteyes on May 04, 2014, 10:10:07 PM
I didn't expect Joffrey's true murderers to be revealed so soon; it was actually fun to see my friends who haven't read the books discussing the possibilities, and coming up with some really weird ideas.

The whole thing beyond the wall was unexpected. I thought they would be increasing the tension regarding Mance Rayder's army, rather then open up new problems that take the attention away from that. But I'm curious about the trajectory followed by the show, and how different it will be from the books.

Correct me if I am wrong, but in the books doesn't the wildling attack come withing days of Jon returning to the Wall?  It seems like several weeks have passed (Jon has completely recovered from being made into a porcupine.)  What are Ygritte and her band doing?  Have they formed a wilding band and doing a tour of the north playing all the taverns? 

And yeah, the Craster's Keep subplot is a bit bewildering - Jon now has to attack the keep, kill Locke, free the dire wolves and his brother, let his brother and the Rowlands go off into the North alone, ride back to the wall, rally the troops, fight off the wildlings, meet Stanis and win an election.  In 6 episodes!  While all the other sub plots are going on!

And Daenerys took Meereen rather easily!  What about the test for Barristan and Jonah to prove themselves?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on May 05, 2014, 11:55:50 PM
I didn't expect Joffrey's true murderers to be revealed so soon; it was actually fun to see my friends who haven't read the books discussing the possibilities, and coming up with some really weird ideas.

The whole thing beyond the wall was unexpected. I thought they would be increasing the tension regarding Mance Rayder's army, rather then open up new problems that take the attention away from that. But I'm curious about the trajectory followed by the show, and how different it will be from the books.

Correct me if I am wrong, but in the books doesn't the wildling attack come withing days of Jon returning to the Wall?  It seems like several weeks have passed (Jon has completely recovered from being made into a porcupine.)  What are Ygritte and her band doing?  Have they formed a wilding band and doing a tour of the north playing all the taverns? 

And yeah, the Craster's Keep subplot is a bit bewildering - Jon now has to attack the keep, kill Locke, free the dire wolves and his brother, let his brother and the Rowlands go off into the North alone, ride back to the wall, rally the troops, fight off the wildlings, meet Stanis and win an election.  In 6 episodes!  While all the other sub plots are going on!

And Daenerys took Meereen rather easily!  What about the test for Barristan and Jonah to prove themselves?
Well, they fixed at least one problem fairly simply. They've altered the Dany story a little. No Strong Belwas, Barristan never masqueraded as Arstan Whitebeard, Jorah doesn't seem to be on the outer with Dany, although that's probably coming soon. They're already dipping into book 5 with some plots.
I am loving the interaction between Pod and Brienne, he's even more delightfully clueless than he was in the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Nighteyes on May 06, 2014, 10:38:21 PM
A nice episode today (despite no Tyrion), moved at a brisk pace, lots of action and some lovely character interaction.  Karl Turner looked so damn familiar, couldn't put my finger on it, and in the end had to turn to trusty wikipedia - it's Owen Harper!  (Torchwood) Great actor, shame he doesn't get more work. 

Daenerys plot seems to have come to a standstill for the season, unless as Elfy speculated there is the development of moving Jorah to the outside, maybe jealousy of Dario leads to Jorah going over the line? 

And Stannis needs to get moving!  Guessing episode 9 will be the showdown on the Wall!  And episode 10 must be that next delicious murder!   And how long till Lysa gets the heave ho?  Will they wait till near the end of the season, or could it happen within the next episode or two? 

And wow, way to make us sympathize with Cersai!

Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on May 06, 2014, 11:57:11 PM
And wow, way to make us sympathize with Cersai!

Indeed! It was in Feast of Crows that I started to empathise with Cersei, despite all she had done until then. The same goes for this season; while her intent in seeking her brother's oblivion through a false accusation makes her look like a madwoman, her honesty in regards to acknowledging Jeoffrey's monstrosity and her motherly longing for her daughter made me become more aware of her own hopes & fears.

Also, Hodor and Bran. That was nice.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on May 07, 2014, 01:16:38 AM
A nice episode today (despite no Tyrion), moved at a brisk pace, lots of action and some lovely character interaction.  Karl Turner looked so damn familiar, couldn't put my finger on it, and in the end had to turn to trusty wikipedia - it's Owen Harper!  (Torchwood) Great actor, shame he doesn't get more work. 

Daenerys plot seems to have come to a standstill for the season, unless as Elfy speculated there is the development of moving Jorah to the outside, maybe jealousy of Dario leads to Jorah going over the line? 

And Stannis needs to get moving!  Guessing episode 9 will be the showdown on the Wall!  And episode 10 must be that next delicious murder!   And how long till Lysa gets the heave ho?  Will they wait till near the end of the season, or could it happen within the next episode or two? 

And wow, way to make us sympathize with Cersai!
Harper is an excellent actor. I remember him from Torchwood, it took me a while to recognise him and when I did it was such a departure that I had trouble reconciling the two. Sign of a good actor, there.

We actually thought Lysa may be taking a flight out the door later in the same episode, but it was not to be. She's even more unhinged than she was in the book. Loved Sophie Turner's expression when Aunty Lysa tells her that she's going to marry Robin. Oh joy!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on May 07, 2014, 08:04:38 AM
Karl Turner looked so damn familiar, couldn't put my finger on it, and in the end had to turn to trusty wikipedia - it's Owen Harper!  (Torchwood) Great actor, shame he doesn't get more work.

I felt the same, but I remembered by myself, after the twisted smile - it must have been his acting dead that linked to GoT's character now ;D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Idlewilder on May 07, 2014, 08:13:08 AM
Karl Turner looked so damn familiar, couldn't put my finger on it, and in the end had to turn to trusty wikipedia - it's Owen Harper!  (Torchwood) Great actor, shame he doesn't get more work.

I felt the same, but I remembered by myself, after the twisted smile - it must have been his acting dead that linked to GoT's character now ;D

I remembered him from The Dark Knight Rises, in a similarly slimy role.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on May 12, 2014, 10:49:27 PM
So, last night's episode ended with one of the finest performances seen on television, by our very own Peter Dinklage. His speech was formidable.

I don't know why they didn't have Dany's dragon eating the boy, though. Wouldn't have changed much, but I remember the scene raising strong concerns in Daenerys about her 'sons'.

The tension is building up nicely. Looking forward to Tyrion's trial, and the later scene in the loo.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on May 12, 2014, 11:54:05 PM
So, last night's episode ended with one of the finest performances seen on television, by our very own Peter Dinklage. His speech was formidable.

I don't know why they didn't have Dany's dragon eating the boy, though. Wouldn't have changed much, but I remember the scene raising strong concerns in Daenerys about her 'sons'.

The tension is building up nicely. Looking forward to Tyrion's trial, and the later scene in the loo.
I don't think they ever actually showed the eating or incineration of the boy in the books either, but had his father bringing the charred bones to court. From memory and I may be incorrect here, Dany was almost used to dealing with her dragons taking sheep and goats, so thought that's what the bones were initially, until it was pointed out to her that they were a child's bones, so they may be saving that for later.

The episode was completely dominated by Peter Dinklage's Tyrion though. That was a hell of a performance. Very similar to the books, in some cases near word for word from the books, Shae's testimony aside. Be very interesting to see how they advance it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on May 13, 2014, 08:44:08 AM

I don't think they ever actually showed the eating or incineration of the boy in the books either, but had his father bringing the charred bones to court. From memory and I may be incorrect here, Dany was almost used to dealing with her dragons taking sheep and goats, so thought that's what the bones were initially, until it was pointed out to her that they were a child's bones, so they may be saving that for later.


That's how it happened, and I meant that scene, where the bones of the child are brought to her and then she is told they do not belong to a goat. It has a strong emotional impact for Dany, since I think it is one of the first times where she acknowledges the fact that those dragons are no longer the cute little babies they used to be. But maybe the series will have another scene to show that later on.

Also, no Arya/Hound. Again.  :(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on May 14, 2014, 12:59:53 AM

Also, no Arya/Hound. Again.  :(
Yeah, but from the previews for next week, they're in it again. Because at present we've got three major character groups: Arya and the Hound, Brienne and Pod and Bran and Co, basically wandering around and not actually advancing the story it's kind hard to feature them to any extent until they do something that does advance the main narrative.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Idlewilder on May 14, 2014, 08:15:18 AM

I don't think they ever actually showed the eating or incineration of the boy in the books either, but had his father bringing the charred bones to court. From memory and I may be incorrect here, Dany was almost used to dealing with her dragons taking sheep and goats, so thought that's what the bones were initially, until it was pointed out to her that they were a child's bones, so they may be saving that for later.


That's how it happened, and I meant that scene, where the bones of the child are brought to her and then she is told they do not belong to a goat. It has a strong emotional impact for Dany, since I think it is one of the first times where she acknowledges the fact that those dragons are no longer the cute little babies they used to be. But maybe the series will have another scene to show that later on.

Presumably they were just setting up that she meets with all of these subjects while also showing the audience that her dragons are loose and eating livestock. I'd expect now this is set up for the child's bones to be very soon. There is not a chance GoT is leaving that particular scene out.
Title: Re: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Stars Cascade on May 14, 2014, 11:43:22 PM
So, last night's episode ended with one of the finest performances seen on television, by our very own Peter Dinklage. His speech was formidable.

I don't know why they didn't have Dany's dragon eating the boy, though. Wouldn't have changed much, but I remember the scene raising strong concerns in Daenerys about her 'sons'.

The tension is building up nicely. Looking forward to Tyrion's trial, and the later scene in the loo.

I LOVE Tyrions speech.  So powerful.  Masterfully done.

I liked Dany having to face the human side of her actions re: the masters. She was clearly uncomfortable with the reality of what she had done and the effect it had on others. Never mind that not all she had killed where guilty of the crime she had them executed for and she'd clearly never even considered that until then.

I suspect there will be lots of wandering and pondering on a few plot lines purely because not a lot happens for them for quite a while.  :/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on May 14, 2014, 11:53:13 PM
I must say that having mixed the events of Feast for Crows and Storm of Swords makes the series far less dull than that damned fourth book. Even with all the wandering around.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on May 15, 2014, 12:01:51 AM
I must say that having mixed the events of Feast for Crows and Storm of Swords makes the series far less dull than that damned fourth book. Even with all the wandering around.
Me too. They're even putting some stuff from Dance in there as well. It had to happen, mainly for the logistics of a TV show as much as anything else. It will be very interesting to see what happens when they have to go beyond what has been published. They're handling things that didn't happen in the books quite well at present (Bran's kidnapping, the torture of Theon), although I rather think they've forgotten about Gendry.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Lejays17 on May 15, 2014, 11:39:33 AM
I must say that having mixed the events of Feast for Crows and Storm of Swords makes the series far less dull than that damned fourth book. Even with all the wandering around.
Me too. They're even putting some stuff from Dance in there as well. It had to happen, mainly for the logistics of a TV show as much as anything else. It will be very interesting to see what happens when they have to go beyond what has been published. They're handling things that didn't happen in the books quite well at present (Bran's kidnapping, the torture of Theon), although I rather think they've forgotten about Gendry.

Gendry's floating around somewhere between Dragonstones & King's Landing, trying not to fall out of the boat and drown...  He's probably bumped into the corpse of Ser Dontos as well.  :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on May 15, 2014, 12:12:24 PM
He's probably bumped into the corpse of Ser Dontos as well.  :)

But apparently they've already found his corpse, they mentioned it during the trial.

At home I've got the link to a site that suggests a chronological reading order of Feast and Dance, that I'll use when I re-read the books. Apparently it's what they're doing with the series now.
Edit: here's the link http://boiledleather.com/post/24543217702/a-proposed-a-feast-for-crows-a-dance-with-dragons (http://boiledleather.com/post/24543217702/a-proposed-a-feast-for-crows-a-dance-with-dragons)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on May 20, 2014, 12:04:17 AM
So, Sansa's aunt was dealt with faster than I ever expected. The writers are wasting no time with Sansa's plot, it seems.

Really enjoyed the scene with Tyrion and Bronn. Even though it is hard to see one of Tyrion's only friends abandoning him, there is a raw honesty in their relationship, where they never pretended to be something else than what they really are to each other. Of course, our dear Oberyn came in at the right moment, but then I thought of what will happen to him and, well, that's that.

Our dear Arya is getting ever more colder when it comes to killing. By now, I'm starting to think that her whole plot in the other continent will take place in the next season. In 7 episodes, she and the Hound have done nothing, plot-wise.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on May 20, 2014, 12:20:47 AM
So, Sansa's aunt was dealt with faster than I ever expected. The writers are wasting no time with Sansa's plot, it seems.

Really enjoyed the scene with Tyrion and Bronn. Even though it is hard to see one of Tyrion's only friends abandoning him, there is a raw honesty in their relationship, where they never pretended to be something else than what they really are to each other. Of course, our dear Oberyn came in at the right moment, but then I thought of what will happen to him and, well, that's that.

Our dear Arya is getting ever more colder when it comes to killing. By now, I'm starting to think that her whole plot in the other continent will take place in the next season. In 7 episodes, she and the Hound have done nothing, plot-wise.
We actually thought that Lysa may have taken her journey out the Moon Door a few episodes earlier, but I was glad they waited and used scenes that were close to the way it happened in the book (the building of the Winterfell snow castle, the kiss with Petyr, a little more explicit than the book, but still it was there), no convenient Marillion to blame Lysa's death on though.

I found the Bronn scene quite touching. I nearly teared up when they parted with a manly handshake and Bronn tells Tyrion he hopes to hear the song of his fight against the Mountain. Nice casting of the Mountain, too. He's been the best of the 3 they've had so far. The use of forced perspective was very effective, too.

That's largely what Arya and the Hound did in the book. They wandered here there and everywhere with the Hound clinging to this dream that he could ransom Arya off to the highest bidder until she finally got sick of it and took off.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Arry on May 20, 2014, 12:53:18 AM
I have to say, I did have a brief moment of disappointment that the real turning point for my opinion of Sansa was not on  the show (when she put Robin's beloved doll's head on a pike outside her snow Winterfell). But it was brief, not sure if it would have had the same impact on the show that it had for me in the book anyway.

My husband has been waiting for Lysa to fly out the moon door for a couple of episodes as well. It will be interesting to see how they handle it since they don't have the minstrel (or bard … whatever he was called) to take the fall for it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on May 20, 2014, 02:35:07 AM
I have to say, I did have a brief moment of disappointment that the real turning point for my opinion of Sansa was not on  the show (when she put Robin's beloved doll's head on a pike outside her snow Winterfell). But it was brief, not sure if it would have had the same impact on the show that it had for me in the book anyway.

My husband has been waiting for Lysa to fly out the moon door for a couple of episodes as well. It will be interesting to see how they handle it since they don't have the minstrel (or bard … whatever he was called) to take the fall for it.
His name was Marillion (there is an actual band called Marillion, too. They were an 80's British rock band. I wonder if the name is an homage to them?). They don't seem to have many guards in the TV version of the Aery. I expect Petyr will do a distraught husband act and claim that Lysa fell out of the Moon Door. Sansa is the only one who could contradict him and she won't. I don't remember Sansa slapping Robin in the book. I know she probably wanted to, she thinks as much in the next book, but I think he ran off after having destroyed her snow Winterfell when Petyr came on the scene and he helped her rebuild it then kissed her and the confrontation with Aunt Lysa took place after that.

Peter Dinklage and Jerome Flynn walked off with all the acting credits for me in this episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: sennydreadful on May 20, 2014, 11:17:47 AM
I loved the scene between Oberyn and Tyrion in this episode. The real pain you see crossing Tyrion's face as Oberyn confirms for him exactly how much his sister despises him... ouch.

I have grown very fond of the Red Viper (never cared for him particularly in the books) so I suspect the end of this series will make me grumpier than usual.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: CameronJohnston on May 20, 2014, 02:33:37 PM
Tyrion, Bronn, Oberyn, Brienne...this episode delivered the goods in spades.
I feel that this episode has had the best acting displayed so far in the show and Peter Dinklage really outdid his already consistently-great acting. And we all know that there is more goodness to come soon ;)

Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on May 21, 2014, 01:39:13 AM
I loved the scene between Oberyn and Tyrion in this episode. The real pain you see crossing Tyrion's face as Oberyn confirms for him exactly how much his sister despises him... ouch.

I have grown very fond of the Red Viper (never cared for him particularly in the books) so I suspect the end of this series will make me grumpier than usual.
I don't think the Viper will make it to the end of the series, Senny. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the focus of the next episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: sennydreadful on May 21, 2014, 11:20:23 AM
I loved the scene between Oberyn and Tyrion in this episode. The real pain you see crossing Tyrion's face as Oberyn confirms for him exactly how much his sister despises him... ouch.

I have grown very fond of the Red Viper (never cared for him particularly in the books) so I suspect the end of this series will make me grumpier than usual.
I don't think the Viper will make it to the end of the series, Senny. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the focus of the next episode.

I think you're right. I am living in denial.

*wails, tears hair out*
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on May 21, 2014, 11:59:26 PM
I loved the scene between Oberyn and Tyrion in this episode. The real pain you see crossing Tyrion's face as Oberyn confirms for him exactly how much his sister despises him... ouch.

I have grown very fond of the Red Viper (never cared for him particularly in the books) so I suspect the end of this series will make me grumpier than usual.
I don't think the Viper will make it to the end of the series, Senny. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the focus of the next episode.


I think you're right. I am living in denial.

*wails, tears hair out*
The next episode is actually titled The Mountain and the Viper. I'm excited. I hope it can top the gladiator street fight in Rome.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Phil Norris on May 28, 2014, 11:23:39 PM
His name was Marillion (there is an actual band called Marillion, too. They were an 80's British rock band. I wonder if the name is an homage to them?).

Marillion (the band) were actually originally names Silmarillion after Tolkien's book but the name was changed to avoid infringement laws.

No relevance to the thread just thought I'd drop this in. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Phil Norris on May 28, 2014, 11:30:47 PM
I'm glad we had the Tyrion/Bronn scene because - if I remember correctly - we never had that in the book. Bronn just went off got knighted, married off to Lollys & became a Lord (in the book she wasn't the second daughter either I don't think?) and Tyrion was seemingly left high and dry.

Once again Dinklage stole every scene he was in, they might as well hand him the Emmy now.

I'm wondering if they're going to change the Arya/Hound  arc. By now in the book the Hound is injured and his wound festering (didn't it happen at the inn when Arya got Needle back?) so we would be reaching the end of this segment. unless they intend the bite he got last week to the the source of the infection? But I wonder if they intend keeping the Hound around a lot longer?

 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on May 29, 2014, 12:13:06 AM
I'm glad we had the Tyrion/Bronn scene because - if I remember correctly - we never had that in the book. Bronn just went off got knighted, married off to Lollys & became a Lord (in the book she wasn't the second daughter either I don't think?) and Tyrion was seemingly left high and dry.

Once again Dinklage stole every scene he was in, they might as well hand him the Emmy now.

I'm wondering if they're going to change the Arya/Hound  arc. By now in the book the Hound is injured and his wound festering (didn't it happen at the inn when Arya got Needle back?) so we would be reaching the end of this segment. unless they intend the bite he got last week to the the source of the infection? But I wonder if they intend keeping the Hound around a lot longer?
I believe Bronn did visit Tyrion in the cells. The scene probably wasn't as extensive or heartfelt as the one in the show, but I clearly remember him telling Tyrion about his engagement to Lollys and his plans for the future. He also declined to be Tyrion's champion for much the same reasons as in the show. In fact I think his comment about the Mountain being wicked fast and strong were word for word what he told Tyrion in the episode.

Totally agree about Dinklage and the Emmy, he does quite a good job with Bolivar Trask in the new X-Men film too.

The Hound picked up his wound in the books when he and Arya confronted Gregor's men. It did get a lot worse. This time he was bitten by Biter and a bite wound is probably going to get bad very quickly, especially as the Hound wouldn't let Arya burn the infection out. I'd say that she'll leave him helpless and 'dying' sometime in the final episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on May 29, 2014, 08:08:50 AM
The UK didn't get an episode this week - did this happen everywhere? :'(
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Post by: Idlewilder on May 29, 2014, 08:12:50 AM
The UK didn't get an episode this week - did this happen everywhere? :'(

Nope, Episode 8 hasn't aired anywhere yet. The above is all speculation based one being readers of the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on May 29, 2014, 08:58:28 AM
Nope, Episode 8 hasn't aired anywhere yet. The above is all speculation based one being readers of the books.

Ah, ok thanks. I was wondering because I saw that the episode was already included in the index of a review site I usually read after watching (for those who've read the books).

I hadn't actually read what they posted yesterday, as at the moment there are so many different things from the books (or at least different combinations) that I was afraid there might be spoilers, hehe
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on May 29, 2014, 08:22:12 PM
No fix for this week. But, going by the episode's trailer, it will be quite a spectacle. Can't wait for Sunday to arrive  ;D
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Post by: Phil Norris on May 29, 2014, 09:12:22 PM
Will we have "You raped her. You killed her. You murdered her children."

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Post by: Elfy on May 30, 2014, 02:38:43 AM
Will we have "You raped her. You killed her. You murdered her children."
I very much hope so. I am almost expecting Oberyn to open with the line: "Hello. My name is Oberyn Martell, you killed my sister. Prepare to die."
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Post by: ScarletBea on May 30, 2014, 07:56:49 AM
Will we have "You raped her. You killed her. You murdered her children."
I very much hope so. I am almost expecting Oberyn to open with the line: "Hello. My name is Oberyn Martell, you killed my sister. Prepare to die."

 ;D ;D
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Post by: Lejays17 on May 30, 2014, 10:27:04 AM
Will we have "You raped her. You killed her. You murdered her children."
I very much hope so. I am almost expecting Oberyn to open with the line: "Hello. My name is Oberyn Martell, you killed my sister. Prepare to die."

 ;D ;D

It's rather distracting when Elfy says this each time he turns up on screen (and I say this as someone who can pretty much "act" out that entire film without it being on in front of me.  I keep expecting The Six-Fingered Man to turn up in response  ;D)
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Post by: Phil Norris on June 01, 2014, 08:06:08 PM
No 2.00am showing on Sky Atlantic tonight/tomorrow morning?
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Post by: ScarletBea on June 01, 2014, 08:53:54 PM
No 2.00am showing on Sky Atlantic tonight/tomorrow morning?

I think that only happened in week 1. After that, the first showing is always on Mondays at 9, isn't it?
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Post by: Phil Norris on June 02, 2014, 07:02:21 PM
No 2.00am showing on Sky Atlantic tonight/tomorrow morning?

I think that only happened in week 1. After that, the first showing is always on Mondays at 9, isn't it?

Yeah you're right, I tweeted Sky Atlantic and it was only for the premier. Thought it was every week for some reason.
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Post by: Phil Norris on June 02, 2014, 10:30:16 PM
Tonites highlights in no particular order...


Arya's laughter at the news of Lysa's death and the Hound's last chance of riches gone.

Ramsay Bolton

Winterfell revisited

Moat Caitlen, great CGI shot worthy of a movie

Sansa playing the game to win

Sansa in that dress...

"You raped her. You killed her. You butchered her children."

Dany showing Jorah the door

"You're going to fight THAT."

Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on June 03, 2014, 01:29:12 AM
Tonites highlights in no particular order...


Arya's laughter at the news of Lysa's death and the Hound's last chance of riches gone.

Ramsay Bolton

Winterfell revisited

Moat Caitlen, great CGI shot worthy of a movie

Sansa playing the game to win

Sansa in that dress...

"You raped her. You killed her. You butchered her children."

Dany showing Jorah the door

"You're going to fight THAT."

^ this  :)

The trial's ending was morbidly fascinating. I knew what would happen, and it still felt so wrong to see Oberyn die. Great episode!
Title: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ladygreen on June 03, 2014, 03:03:26 AM
I cannot get that ending out of my head. Woke up with the image. *shudder*


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Post by: Elfy on June 03, 2014, 03:04:28 AM
Tonites highlights in no particular order...


Arya's laughter at the news of Lysa's death and the Hound's last chance of riches gone.

Ramsay Bolton

Winterfell revisited

Moat Caitlen, great CGI shot worthy of a movie

Sansa playing the game to win

Sansa in that dress...

"You raped her. You killed her. You butchered her children."

Dany showing Jorah the door

"You're going to fight THAT."
Yes, largely nailed it. I also thought Indira Varma did a great job at conveying her emotions during the fight with the Mountain.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on June 03, 2014, 08:02:14 AM
I had to close my eyes but still managed to peek at the exact moment of the eyes *shudders* an image it will be hard to forget... Much worse (as in 'shocking') than the Red Wedding, gore-wise, in my opinion.

I haven't yet re-read that scene in the books, but I wonder if there it's as obvious what was going to come as on the screen: I mean, Oberyn had his spear in the Mount's chest, then he removed it? Really? That was begging for him to get up...
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Post by: CameronJohnston on June 03, 2014, 08:43:41 AM
Well that was brutal. I found that more harrowing than watching the Red or Purple weddings.

Arya's laughter was the highlight of the episode for me :)
Sad to think there are only two more episodes of the season left now.
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Post by: sennydreadful on June 03, 2014, 10:13:37 AM
*sobbing forever*

I knew that was coming, of course, but part of me was hoping for a little deviation from the books, so we could keep Sexypants Oberyn (who has been a highlight of this series)
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Post by: ladygreen on June 03, 2014, 09:14:17 PM
Arya's laughter was the highlight of the episode for me :)

Me too!  I love that she just broke down into hysterical giggles.  In that moment, you knew EXACTLY how she felt.

Cersei's little triumphant smile at the end made me wish someone would dump her wine cup over her head.  I didn't read beyond A Clash of Kings, so I really hope she gets what she deserves...
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Post by: Phil Norris on June 04, 2014, 12:54:43 PM
We have to remember as well that this week wasn't the traditional BIG EPISODE, episode 9 is next week a dn has to not only top the duel but top Ned, Blackwater & the Red Wedding
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Post by: Idlewilder on June 04, 2014, 01:11:30 PM
Presumably Stannis' arrival at The Wall and Jon's whole elevation to commander storyline is being left for Season 5? They've a fair job to do in making TV Jon into someone who can realistically be voted Lord Commander, if you ask me...
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Post by: Phil Norris on June 04, 2014, 01:17:10 PM
And did anyone else spot the nice nod to the opening scenes of Ep1/S1 in the Littlefinger trial/inquisition?

Sansa's comment to Yohn Royce about his visit to Winterfell escorting his son Waymar to the Wall. Waymar being the cocky one of the three Rangers seen in the opening scenes and killed by White Walkers (although I don't think he was named on screen).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on June 04, 2014, 02:27:28 PM
And did anyone else spot the nice nod to the opening scenes of Ep1/S1 in the Littlefinger trial/inquisition?

You have a much better memory than me....  ;D
(honestly, sometimes I worry about mine, hehe - very good with numbers but quite broken for the rest, just remember random events/specific scenes)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on June 05, 2014, 01:02:58 AM
Can anyone tell me who the old lady at Littlefinger's trial was? I didn't hear her named and I don't think she's got a book equivalent as such, either.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Idlewilder on June 05, 2014, 02:07:49 PM
Can anyone tell me who the old lady at Littlefinger's trial was? I didn't hear her named and I don't think she's got a book equivalent as such, either.

Wikipedia says Lady Anya Waynwood, and she was in the books.
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Post by: Saraband on June 05, 2014, 08:37:35 PM
Found this on the internet, thought it was worth sharing in here  ;) If only...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oOi6JOXEQ[/youtube]
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Post by: ladygreen on June 05, 2014, 09:19:42 PM
Found this on the internet, thought it was worth sharing in here  ;) If only...

Too funny!  I love #6 from Braveheart.  Freeeeddoooooommmmm!   ;D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on June 06, 2014, 12:21:55 AM
Can anyone tell me who the old lady at Littlefinger's trial was? I didn't hear her named and I don't think she's got a book equivalent as such, either.

Wikipedia says Lady Anya Waynwood, and she was in the books.
That makes sense. They did the trial differently in the books, because Littlefinger blamed Marillion. She may be one of those book characters that gets a mention in the books, but doesn't really do much and for purposes of the show has had her role increased a little.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on June 09, 2014, 07:36:53 PM
This week was the first episode - I think? - spent in only one setting: the wall. I liked it, but I was expecting episode 9 to be different, as it usually is the one with the big deaths. Now, I'm not even sure the death I've been expecting the most will even be shown this season:

Tywin Lannister and the latrine

The scene between Jon Snow and Ygritte was more emotionally charged than the one in the books - and far more romantic. It was the highlight of this episode, for me.
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Post by: Idlewilder on June 09, 2014, 10:08:43 PM
Your spoiler thing will definitely happen next week. And the Blackwater episode was all spent in Kings Landing.
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Post by: Saraband on June 10, 2014, 12:16:19 AM
And the Blackwater episode was all spent in Kings Landing.

You're right. Alas, my memory is as useless as wearing sunglasses during a new moon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on June 10, 2014, 01:15:07 AM
Had to have the Battle at the Wall, and it was very well done. This does mean that they've got a few big things to cover in the final episode. By spending all their time up at the Wall, it means that they'll need to try and give viewers some coverage of the rest of the cast in episode 10. Interesting to see how they pull all that together.
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Post by: Phil Norris on June 10, 2014, 12:42:54 PM
Had to have the Battle at the Wall, and it was very well done. This does mean that they've got a few big things to cover in the final episode. By spending all their time up at the Wall, it means that they'll need to try and give viewers some coverage of the rest of the cast in episode 10. Interesting to see how they pull all that together.

Going by the teaser trailer we definitely get to see what happens to Jon beyond the Wall, there are glimpses of Arya/Hound, Dany, Varys, Tyrion, Cersie/Jamie and a screeching dragon. No glimpse of brienne/Pod though so wonder if we're going to be left hanging there?

Going by the episode title all the characters featured in the trailer are children (even the dragons) so guess it will center around them.

I just hope the  series doesnt end on Dany's storyline like the S1 & 3 because as all book readers know we are now in pretty boring territory where she's concerned now.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Idlewilder on June 10, 2014, 12:50:34 PM
Had to have the Battle at the Wall, and it was very well done. This does mean that they've got a few big things to cover in the final episode. By spending all their time up at the Wall, it means that they'll need to try and give viewers some coverage of the rest of the cast in episode 10. Interesting to see how they pull all that together.

Going by the teaser trailer we definitely get to see what happens to Jon beyond the Wall, there are glimpses of Arya/Hound, Dany, Varys, Tyrion, Cersie/Jamie and a screeching dragon. No glimpse of brienne/Pod though so wonder if we're going to be left hanging there?

Going by the episode title all the characters featured in the trailer are children (even the dragons) so guess it will center around them.

I just hope the  series doesnt end on Dany's storyline like the S1 & 3 because as all book readers know we are now in pretty boring territory where she's concerned now.

If they go the way they have been with S1-3 it will end at The Wall, or north of The Wall as an alternate to last years Daenerys ending - either with Stannis arriving or something to do with the Children of the Forest (episode title hint?).

Doesn't mean there can't be a surprise epilogue with Lady Stoneheart - after all, Book 3 was the first to have an epilogue, so why can't this season? If Marvel can do it...
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Post by: Phil Norris on June 11, 2014, 08:21:51 PM
Doesn't mean there can't be a surprise epilogue with Lady Stoneheart - after all, Book 3 was the first to have an epilogue, so why can't this season? If Marvel can do it...

Last scene of Ep10 opens with panning shot along a misty river, on the bank a group of men stand looking up at a figure on horseback with their head in a nose. We see Thoros of Myr looking older, haggard. A cloaked & hooded figure stands by the horse, the man on it is pleading.

Thoros "You admit you are a Lannister soldier?"

Man "Yes..."

Thorus looks to the hooded figure who nods & Thoros slaps the horse rump and it charges off leaving the man swinging. The group look to the hooded figure and bow their heads as the hood falls back to reveal....
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Post by: Elfy on June 12, 2014, 01:29:56 AM
So they're going to cliffhanger it? Evil for all those who haven't read the books.
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Post by: Phil Norris on June 12, 2014, 12:37:44 PM
So they're going to cliffhanger it? Evil for all those who haven't read the books.

No idea, that's how I'd like the episode to end.

And re-watching the teaser (on a big TV this time so better quality image) I see there is a brief 2 second shot of someone walking towards a door carrying a crossbow...think we all know what that means!?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on June 12, 2014, 02:36:08 PM
I see there is a brief 2 second shot of someone walking towards a door carrying a crossbow...think we all know what that means!?

I completely missed those 2 seconds. Now I'm very, very happy  ;D
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Post by: Elfy on June 13, 2014, 12:11:42 AM
Apparently because they have so much ground to cover the final episode is going to be 66 minutes long, whereas before HBO have never let any one episode run over the 60 minute mark.
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Post by: Phil Norris on June 16, 2014, 10:19:47 PM
By the old gods and the new that was EPIC. Best season so far, best finale so far and they certainly left the best till last.

No Stoneheart but hey ho they made up for it by having Brienne vs Hound!
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Post by: Saraband on June 16, 2014, 11:01:27 PM
By the old gods and the new that was EPIC.

Yes, yes, yes.

Loved the scene between Cersei and Tywin. Unexpected, and marvelously done.

Also, Dany's scene with her dragons. Her emotion was palpable, and it was devastating to see her shut the dragons  :'(

Overall, it was a very good season. In many aspects it succeeded where A Feast for Crows failed, such as Brienne's boring quest for Sansa, or Daenery's failing government, while it kept the momentum for all the events of A Storm of Swords. It will be harder for that momentum to be kept from now on, judging by the books, but I hope the show writers surprise us  :)
Title: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ladygreen on June 17, 2014, 12:20:36 AM
LOVED the scene with Brienne and the Hound. I was on the edge of my seat the entire fight, with my face half covered with a pillow. Egads! When she bit off his ear!!!!

Also, when Tyrian found Shae in his Father's bed... I knew it was coming but oh, the betrayal!

Truly spectacular finish. Can't believe we have to wait nearly another year to continue the journey...




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Post by: Elfy on June 17, 2014, 12:21:27 AM
The whole thing was huge. So much happening and even with the extended length so little time to do it all. I thought the ending was a perfect scene to do it on. There was another scene I was hoping for, but I think this one was just fine. They wrong footed me at least twice. Once with a character death and once with the way a character was killed and who did it.
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Post by: Arry on June 17, 2014, 12:23:52 AM
By the old gods and the new that was EPIC.
Couldn't say it better. Absolutely loved it. I love that they ended on Arya's journey across the Narrow Sea. Loved everything with Hound (both with Arya and Brienne). Loved everything with Tyrion. I just freakin loved everything in this episode. Except that we now have like 40 some weeks to wait for the next episode. Tick. Tock. Time for a rewatch starting with Season 1!
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Post by: Elfy on June 17, 2014, 12:25:29 AM
By the old gods and the new that was EPIC.
Couldn't say it better. Absolutely loved it. I love that they ended on Arya's journey across the Narrow Sea. Loved everything with Hound (both with Arya and Brienne). Loved everything with Tyrion. I just freakin loved everything in this episode. Except that we now have like 40 some weeks to wait for the next episode. Tick. Tock. Time for a rewatch starting with Season 1!
And because it's in production we can't even get a 'coming up'!
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Post by: Stars Cascade on June 17, 2014, 09:46:13 AM
By the old gods and the new that was EPIC.
Couldn't say it better. Absolutely loved it. I love that they ended on Arya's journey across the Narrow Sea. Loved everything with Hound (both with Arya and Brienne). Loved everything with Tyrion. I just freakin loved everything in this episode. Except that we now have like 40 some weeks to wait for the next episode. Tick. Tock. Time for a rewatch starting with Season 1!

This. All of this. <3


Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Idlewilder on June 17, 2014, 01:12:08 PM
Truly excellent hour (or 66 minutes  ;) ) of telly. They managed to do justice to pretty much every storyline. I think Sansa and Theon were pretty much the only ones not in the episode, which is seriously impressive. Excellent season overall - I think probably my favourite so far. The episode endings throughout were just amazing (Hound/Arya in the tavern, Joffrey's death, Tyrion's trial, King White Walker, Lysa and the Moondoor, Oberyn  :'( ) and overall I thought they did really well juggling the plotlines and hitting some of the big notes from the books that were expected this season.

In many aspects it succeeded where A Feast for Crows failed, such as Brienne's boring quest for Sansa, or Daenery's failing government, while it kept the momentum for all the events of A Storm of Swords.

Except for Brienne's quest for Sansa, what was in this season that was from A Feast for Crows? There was a few bits from A Dance with Dragons (Bran/Daenerys in particular) but 95% of AFFC hasn't been touched on. (Martells, Greyjoys, Cersei in the capital after Tywin's death, Sam's journey, Arya's training, Sansa's role in the Eyrie, Jaime in the Riverlands)

Loads of people moan about Feast being a boring book, but actually loads happens in it and if they can strike the balance of those plotlines with the ones from Dance (not to mention the rest of Jon's story from Storm) then Season 5 could be amazing aswell. We might even get Davos in White Harbor next year - a certain pie might be on the menu...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on June 17, 2014, 01:51:03 PM
I was torn between my annoying self saying "but that didn't happen like that in the books" and "yay, Brienne fighting" and "Arya is just so amazing" ;D

By the way, I don't know why they killed Jojen there. He must have got, what, 5-10 minutes of screen in the whole 4 series? People just watching wouldn't really care, they didn't get close enough, and that didn't have to be.
(and I've just checked, that's already ADwD).
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Post by: sennydreadful on June 18, 2014, 02:52:12 PM
I would echo much of what has been said - amazing episode, so many excellent moments. I particularly loved the properly bad-ass fighting skeletons and the use of the theme tune music as Arya sailed off to the Narrow Sea. A couple of tears may have been shed!
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Post by: Elfy on June 19, 2014, 12:20:44 AM
Thinking about it a couple of days after the event I have to admit that the fight between Brienne and the Hound was one of the most brutal I've seen committed to screen. We had everything in there, punching, kicking, gouging, biting and even head butting.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Saraband on June 19, 2014, 12:37:17 AM
biting

A very Mike Tysonesque moment, when that ear got bitten off.
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Post by: Elfy on June 19, 2014, 02:22:49 AM
biting

A very Mike Tysonesque moment, when that ear got bitten off.
Yes, I must admit that was where my mind went. The poor old Hound got chewed on a bit this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: CameronJohnston on June 19, 2014, 08:37:18 AM
I liked the fight between Brienne and the Hound, two of my favourite characters on the screen. It was brutal and visceral. But for me the way they did it felt a bit forcefully contrived just to get more of Brienne on the screen. The fight itself, no problem with it, but the scene as a whole felt rushed, probably due to sprawling over-time-already episode constraints.

As a whole I really loved season 4, but I have no idea what they will be doing with the next one. I suspect they might add more original content not in the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on June 20, 2014, 01:37:44 AM
I liked the fight between Brienne and the Hound, two of my favourite characters on the screen. It was brutal and visceral. But for me the way they did it felt a bit forcefully contrived just to get more of Brienne on the screen. The fight itself, no problem with it, but the scene as a whole felt rushed, probably due to sprawling over-time-already episode constraints.

As a whole I really loved season 4, but I have no idea what they will be doing with the next one. I suspect they might add more original content not in the books.
The fight itself was never in the books, so yes it was a ploy to give Brienne some more screen time (I'd personally like more Pod. I think he's turning out to be my favourite character in the TV show), it was also a way of injuring the Hound badly enough so that Arya could make her escape. In the books he gets injured in an entirely different fight. With Bran's story they're already at the end of Dance and the stories of Sansa, Theon and Dany have also entered book 5 territory.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Nighteyes on June 20, 2014, 07:56:16 AM
Really? Has Bran communicated with Reek/ Theon through the Godswood? Has he been into the crypt of Winterfell?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on June 20, 2014, 12:14:44 PM
Really? Has Bran communicated with Reek/ Theon through the Godswood? Has he been into the crypt of Winterfell?

They cut all of that from the series, in fact I think Bran has been one of the the most undervalued characters when comparing book with series (I wonder if it's because the actor grew so much so quickly...).
What Elfy was mentioning is that Bran's scene in the last episode was already from ADwD - I actually went to check because I couldn't believe they had jumped so much...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on June 21, 2014, 01:10:24 AM
Really? Has Bran communicated with Reek/ Theon through the Godswood? Has he been into the crypt of Winterfell?

They cut all of that from the series, in fact I think Bran has been one of the the most undervalued characters when comparing book with series (I wonder if it's because the actor grew so much so quickly...).
What Elfy was mentioning is that Bran's scene in the last episode was already from ADwD - I actually went to check because I couldn't believe they had jumped so much...
They kind of had to dip into ADwD with Bran, Dany and Theon, because they didn't appear at all in Feast, and in the case of Theon we didn't see him in Storm either.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on June 21, 2014, 08:33:11 AM
I remember when the first season started, and we still thought that season X=book X, people were wondering how they would treat books 4 and 5.
Now we know, they just mix them all (as I'll do when I reread the books), and then invent a bit more ;D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on June 22, 2014, 01:21:07 AM
I remember when the first season started, and we still thought that season X=book X, people were wondering how they would treat books 4 and 5.
Now we know, they just mix them all (as I'll do when I reread the books), and then invent a bit more ;D
Well they kind of had to, because some of book 5 is happening concurrently with book 4 and you can't just leave a character our of a TV show for a season (unless of course it's Gendry) the way you can with a book.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Phil Norris on June 23, 2014, 09:31:18 PM
Maybe a bit early to start a S5 thread so I'll put this here.

Familiar face returning for S5? (http://winteriscoming.net/2014/06/23/familiar-face-returning-game-thrones-season-5/)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: ScarletBea on June 24, 2014, 06:31:35 PM
And also related, hehe.
The Queen (real one, UK one) visited the set in Belfast, here are some photos:

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/huddersfield-game-thrones-actress-lena-7317831 (http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/huddersfield-game-thrones-actress-lena-7317831)

My comments, "Cersei looks so much better with dark hair" (photo 1) and "look at the height difference between Arya and Sansa!!!" (photo 2, even counting the heels' difference - even when not in character I so much prefer Arya, hehe) and "Look! Varys with hair!" (photo 3)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Overlord on June 26, 2014, 08:13:08 AM
SPOILER: WILL ‘LADY STONEHEART’ BE IN GAME OF THRONES?

Those who have read A Feast For Crows / A Dance With Dragons, probably have fond memories of Cold Hands and Lady Stoneheart. If so, as the last episode of season 10 drew to a close, you were likely left scratching your head wondering where on Earth our favourite walking dead were.

For those who need a reminder, or those watching the TV series who don’t mind a serious book spoiler, here are some quotes:

“The Freys slashed her throat from ear to ear. When we found her by the river she was three days dead. Harwin begged me to give her the kiss of life, but it had been too long. I would not do it, so Lord Beric put his lips to hers instead, and the flame of life passed from him to her. And… she rose. May the Lord of Light protect us. She rose.”

“Her cloak and collar hid the gash [the Freys's] blade had made, but her face was even worse than he remembered. The flesh had gone pudding soft in the water and turned the color of curdled milk. Half her hair was gone and the rest had turned as white and brittle as a crone’s. Beneath her ravaged scalp, her face was shredded skin and black blood where she had raked herself with her nails. But her eyes were the most terrible thing. Her eyes saw him, and they hated.”

Yes, Lady Stoneheart is the post-death Lady Catelyn. After having her throat slit at the “Red Wedding”, Catelyn spent a long time submerged in water. After Arya’s Direwolf drags her from a river, she is more zombie than human. It isn’t just an inability to talk and rotten appearance she has been left with though, Death has changed her personality too. She burns with a desire for for vengeance on anyone she thinks betrayed her and her son, Robb and ruthlessly kills any Freys, Boltons, or Lannisters she manages to track down – even if they they had nothing to do with the “Red Wedding”. Indeed, she seems out of control.

Those trusting that such a major character wouldn’t be left out of the books may end up disappointed. In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, Michelle Fairley confirmed that:

“Yeah, the character’s dead. She’s dead.” Adding that “You respect the writers’ decision … I knew the arc, and that was it. They can’t stick to the books 100 percent. It’s impossible-they only have 10 hours per season. They have got to keep it dramatic and exciting, and extraneous stuff along the way gets lost in order to maintain the quality of brilliant show.”

The director of “Game of Thrones”, Alex Graves, had a far more brutal opinion on why it didn’t make sense to bring the character back as a cold-hearted killer: “to bring back Michelle Fairley, one of the greatest actresses around, to be a zombie for a little while – and just kill people? It is really sort of, what are we doing with that? How does it play into the whole story in a way that we’re really going to like? It just didn’t end up being a part of what was going to happen this season.”

Of course, Alex Graves’s opinion that the character has no significant role could just be because he hasn’t read book 6 yet… A big issue with the progression of Game of Thrones is that we are heading into territory now that the importance of certain events and characters may be harder to see.

It should be noted, before we get too disappointed, that there is a very good chance that Alex Graves and Michelle Fairley are messing with us. “The Character is dead” is ambiguous – she hasn’t said “I will not be returning to A Game of Thrones”. Equally, there is a good chance that writers Dan Weiss and David Benioff are purposely keeping details from the cast/director and may still find space for the character in season 5 (indeed, Graves admitted this later on in the same interview).

I guess if she isn’t going to appear though, it makes sense that Cold Hands won’t either. When reading book 4/5 you got the feeling that there was some kind of link between the two – perhaps one existing to explain the other.

What do you guys think, can you understand the omission?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on June 27, 2014, 12:50:06 AM
I'm going to spoiler this, because it mainly deals with territory that the show hasn't covered.
As Coldhands was largely used in the books to get Bran and Co to Bloodraven and then seemed to go out of the story and that's already happened in the show, it's highly unlikely that he'll appear. They were being very coy with Lady Stoneheart. She's a different character and she also looks totally different. If Michelle Fairley doesn't want to do the role with makeup there is no reason they can't simply cast another actor. After all Gregor was played by 3 different people, none of whom really looked alike. There's also been 2 Tommens and 2 Daario's.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Elfy on June 29, 2014, 02:20:38 AM
Just watching a random episode from Season 3 and you sometimes forget some of the best lines with everything else that is happening. Petry and Varys have an encounter by the Iron Throne and talk about it. Varys refers to it as an ugly old thing, but not without a certain appeal, then follows it up with the comment 'Rather like the Lysa Arryn of chairs, really.'
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV Show) - Season 4
Post by: Phil Norris on June 29, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
Anyone interested looks like Sky Atlantic are re-running from S1. Tonight at 9.00 Winter Is Coming