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Offline ultamentkiller

Captain America Civil War
« on: November 25, 2015, 05:49:24 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVdV-lxRPFo
This just came out a bit ago. Feel free to list your thoughts below.
My main one is this. For the whole registration conflict to spark up over Captain America trying to protect the Winter Soldier? Unless something terribly, terribly wrong happens in his attempt, I don't see how this could be the event that sparks it. I mean, a whole city falls out of the sky in Avengers 2, and The Hulk goes crazy at one point. Shouldn't that be the main focus?
I have a lot of faith in Marvel, so I'm sure however they handle it things will turn out good. But Civil War is a very delicate thing. I hope the trend of awesomeness continues.

Offline CameronJohnston

Re: Captain America Civil War
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2015, 08:38:44 AM »
Protecting the Winter Soldier does seem a bit weak of a reason to kick off the Civil War, but I'm sure they will have everything else bubbling away and this is only one part of it.
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Offline ClintACK

Re: Captain America Civil War
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2015, 02:59:56 PM »
Protecting Bucky may be the straw that pushes Cap into one camp or the other -- it won't be the philosophical divide between the two camps.  And it will only work if Cap is already wavering between the two.

Offline Phil Norris

Re: Captain America Civil War
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2015, 09:52:31 PM »
I dont think Cap protecting Bucky is the event that kicks Civil War off, and listening to 'Thunderbolt' Ross's words its obvious the Registration Act is in there. If you head over to io9 they've done a shot by shot break down and the document you see passed to Cap whilst Ross is talking has "Sokovia Accords" on the cover, Sokovia was the country where city Ultron tried to drop on the Earth was so I'm guessing there have been talks within talks going on since that happened with the world concerned about the powers superheroes have.
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Re: Captain America Civil War
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2015, 04:26:01 PM »
Protecting the Winter Soldier does seem a bit weak of a reason to kick off the Civil War, but I'm sure they will have everything else bubbling away and this is only one part of it.

I really hope so. I really wanted to like Age of Ultron, but as others have said, I felt it was overstuffed. It was fun but not nearly as tightly plotted (both in terms of character development and story beats) as prior Marvel movies. It really needed to be an hour longer (which Joss Whedon already said they decided not to do) or have some of its subplots simplified or excised. My opinion about Ultron hasn't changed on rewatching it. Too much happens way too rapidly.

Still, I hold out hope that Civil War won't have that happen, despite all the things they want to try to cram in, simply because its from the same people (Russo Brothers) who did Winter Soldier, and Winter Soldier was SO freaking good. But yeah, when we're finally going to have Tony and Cap go against each other, we really need to earn that. Not having Cap go "Well, you guys want to arrest Bucky, so let's fight!"
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Offline Phil Norris

Re: Captain America Civil War
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2015, 10:41:53 PM »
My only concern about Civil War is its one film.  From what I know of the story (never read the comics) this is quite a major event spanning multiple titles and dozens of characters. I know they have to condense this for the MCU but seeing there has been really on Ant-Man between the end of Ultron (when Cap & Iron man parted on good terms) and Civil War they will need to spend a good portion of the film setting up why Civil War happens, then they have to have the war and there will have to be an aftermath.

For me this could easily have been a trilogy, a duology at a push. Take a film to set up events then have the film end on some cliffhanger (Cap/Iron Man facing off maybe?) the second film is the war, cover the characters and reasons behind whose side thier own, have a few epic battes. Then film three (or stuffed into the end of film two if a duology) is the end of the war and the fallout/repercussions.

This way the story is given plenty of room and honours such a major event.
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Offline ultamentkiller

Re: Captain America Civil War
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2015, 12:40:24 AM »
Having read a couple of prose novels, I know this much. They could easily bunch this into one film. It's the aftermath part that concerns me. Maybe they'll surprise fans and go through with it, but I bet everything's going to tie up nicely in the end.
In reality though, Civil War changed the entire Marvel universe.

Offline ClintACK

Re: Captain America Civil War
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2015, 04:06:51 PM »
My only concern about Civil War is its one film. 
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For me this could easily have been a trilogy, a duology at a push. Take a film to set up events then have the film end on some cliffhanger (Cap/Iron Man facing off maybe?) the second film is the war, cover the characters and reasons behind whose side thier own, have a few epic battes. Then film three (or stuffed into the end of film two if a duology) is the end of the war and the fallout/repercussions.

This way the story is given plenty of room and honours such a major event.

I really hope so. I really wanted to like Age of Ultron, but as others have said, I felt it was overstuffed. It was fun but not nearly as tightly plotted (both in terms of character development and story beats) as prior Marvel movies. It really needed to be an hour longer (which Joss Whedon already said they decided not to do) or have some of its subplots simplified or excised. My opinion about Ultron hasn't changed on rewatching it. Too much happens way too rapidly.

Totally agree with all of this.

It's sad to see the Marvel superstars relegated to a crammed-in, rushed movie like that after watching how well Daredevil and Jessica Jones could develop a story over a nine or ten hour season.

It must be economic -- there must be more money to be made from a two-hour theatrical release than a ten-hour purchase-to-stream release.  But I'm not sure why that is -- or even whether it's still true in the era of Game of Thrones and Downton Abbey. 


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