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Title: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Hedin on August 31, 2015, 04:19:33 AM
#3 - Harry Potter by J.K. Rowling

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VS

#30 - Kingkiller Chronicles by Patrick Rothfuss

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Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Eclipse on August 31, 2015, 10:14:35 AM
Kingkiller... well I enjoyed it
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Raptori on August 31, 2015, 10:59:38 AM
Very easy one for me. I loved Harry Potter as a kid/teen, and I thought Kingkiller was very underwhelming when I read it recently - first book decent, second book abysmal.
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: JMack on August 31, 2015, 11:44:22 AM
Color me surprised. 6 for Rothfuss and 5 for Potter, when I assumed Potter would sweep the voting.

I'm not as down on the second book of Rothfuss as many are; I've enjoyed both book books a lot.
And I didn't grow up with Potter myself; by my kids did. For me, they're The Books of my fatherhood years.
I voted Potter, even if I did think the climax of the final book was an exercise in clockwork rather than character.
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: ScarletBea on August 31, 2015, 12:36:54 PM
I need to think about this one too, they are so different.
I really enjoyed both, for all sorts of different reasons...
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Hedin on August 31, 2015, 01:17:34 PM
For me Harry Potter was my gateway drug back into fantasy.  I didn't start reading them until right before Order of the Phoenix came out and ended up getting basically a pirated word doc of the book the night it came out and read it all on my computer in one evening (looking back I have no idea how I did it).  I spent years on Mugglenet discussing theories and coming up with my own.  This is probably the one series I'm most looking forward to passing down to my daughter (plus any other future kids) to see if she loves it just as much as I do.

Kingkiller started off really strong, I thought Name of the Wind was great and had stuff that I really hadn't read before.  All of that went out the window with Wise Man's Fear though as the book did nothing to advance the plot of the series at all.  At this point I think Rothfuss is a brillant writer but not a great author, by that I mean he can write some pretty incredible things but he lets those things get in the way of an actual meaningful plot.  I wonder if he would have been better served doing an Abercombie like approach with his world and separate standalones showing off the world and then bringing it all together later.
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Lady Ty on August 31, 2015, 01:56:21 PM
I enjoyed Name of the Wind, but  struggled to concentrate through Wise Man's Fear, although I enjoyed it and hope the eventual third part wraps it up more satisfactorily.

My vote goes to Harry Potter for the wonderful effect the actual books had of encouraging  youngsters to read,  before the films came out,  and for the perfect introduction to fantasy it gave them as well. They got so excited each year waiting for the next one and the characters and storylines matured perfectly for the children, which was clever and a good way to gain firm ground.  Most of us adults loved reading them and they were a welcome different approach to magic at school. Just imagine being young enough to almost believe Hogwarts might be real.  8)
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Doctor_Chill on August 31, 2015, 02:10:26 PM
Harry Potter is finished. Easy choice for me. Doesn't hurt that I'm not a fan of Kingkiller anyway.
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: ClintACK on August 31, 2015, 03:29:15 PM
Loved both.

Harry Potter was a phenomenon that increased our favorite genre's readership for a generation to come.  That's huge.

But I really love the Kingkiller Chronicles.  (Even the Auri novella.)  ((I do wonder if I'll feel the same after book three is out, but the voting's now...))
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: ScarletBea on August 31, 2015, 03:44:39 PM
Oh well.
Yes, I like the Kingkiller Chronicles, but Harry Potter is on a different level, and I vote for them especially on the impact it has on children/teens: reading fantasy is cool! :D
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: ultamentkiller on August 31, 2015, 04:08:45 PM
Harry Potter definitely for me. I haven't read Kingkiller though...
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: m3mnoch on August 31, 2015, 06:30:20 PM
i'll say it.  i hate harry potter.  i would rather read romance than suffer more harry potter.  i think it's bubblegum gobbledy-gook so full of plot holes and byzantine, tropey character motives that it might as well have been named 'the eye of argon'.  which, makes me sad because my kids loved it and made me read it to them when they were young.  i was so happy when they started picking up the series by themselves and they stopped inflicting it upon me.

that being said, i LOVE LOVE LOVE kingkiller chronicles.  it is singly my favorite series (if you can call it that) i've ever read.  i devoured it.  it is the only fantasy where i was reading along, stopped, and reread a piece of prose just so i could go "wow.  that was good."  i read the criticisms of it and suffer cognitive dissonance because they just don't make sense to me -- it's like they're describing a different book.

so, yeah.  bet you can't guess what i voted for.
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Raptori on August 31, 2015, 06:32:14 PM
i'll say it.  i hate harry potter.  i would rather read romance than suffer more harry potter.  i think it's bubblegum gobbledy-gook so full of plot holes and byzantine, tropey character motives that it might as well have been named 'the eye of argon'.  which, makes me sad because my kids loved it and made me read it to them when they were young.  i was so happy when they started picking up the series by themselves and they stopped inflicting it upon me.

that being said, i LOVE LOVE LOVE kingkiller chronicles.  it is singly my favorite series (if you can call it that) i've ever read.  i devoured it.  it is the only fantasy where i was reading along, stopped, and reread a piece of prose just so i could go "wow.  that was good."  i read the criticisms of it and suffer cognitive dissonance because they just don't make sense to me -- it's like they're describing a different book.

so, yeah.  bet you can't guess what i voted for.
I've still yet to read a quote from Kingkiller that actually impresses me in terms of prose. (http://www.zsoc.com/images/smilies/zsoc/serious.gif)
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: m3mnoch on August 31, 2015, 06:45:00 PM
i'll say it.  i hate harry potter.  i would rather read romance than suffer more harry potter.  i think it's bubblegum gobbledy-gook so full of plot holes and byzantine, tropey character motives that it might as well have been named 'the eye of argon'.  which, makes me sad because my kids loved it and made me read it to them when they were young.  i was so happy when they started picking up the series by themselves and they stopped inflicting it upon me.

that being said, i LOVE LOVE LOVE kingkiller chronicles.  it is singly my favorite series (if you can call it that) i've ever read.  i devoured it.  it is the only fantasy where i was reading along, stopped, and reread a piece of prose just so i could go "wow.  that was good."  i read the criticisms of it and suffer cognitive dissonance because they just don't make sense to me -- it's like they're describing a different book.

so, yeah.  bet you can't guess what i voted for.
I've still yet to read a quote from Kingkiller that actually impresses me in terms of prose. (http://www.zsoc.com/images/smilies/zsoc/serious.gif)


uh.  hrm.  okay.  i'm on a mission now.  [turns to a random page]

Quote
She let it build until it was beyond anything a man could dream of dancing to. It was nothing like a trot now. It sprinted, fast as a pair of children racing. I marveled at how clean and clear her fingering was despite the frantic pace.

Faster. Quick as a deer with a wild dog behind it. I started to get nervous, knowing it was just a matter of time before she slid or slipped or dropped a note. But somehow she kept going, each note perfect, sharp and strong and sweet. Her flickering fingers arched high against the strings. The wrist of her bow hand hung loose and lazy despite the terrible speed.

Faster still. Her face was intent. Her bow arm a blur. Faster still. She braced herself, her long legs planted firmly on the stage, her fiddle tucked hard against her jaw. Each note sharp as early morning birdsong. Faster still.

She finished in a rush and gave a sudden, flourishing bow without a single mistake. I was sweating like a hard-run horse, my heart racing.

really?  nothing?

not even the cover quote?

Quote
I have stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings. I burned down the town of Trebon. I have spent the night with Felurian and left with both my sanity and my life. I was expelled from the University at a younger age than most people are allowed in. I tread paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during day. I have talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs that make the minstrels weep.

You may have heard of me.

it just makes me fanboi so very hard.
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: ScarletBea on August 31, 2015, 06:46:36 PM
For some books, I'm 100% with Raptori's opinion - for others, 100% against. Kingkiller Chronicles is one of the later...
Oh well :)
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Raptori on August 31, 2015, 06:56:09 PM
i'll say it.  i hate harry potter.  i would rather read romance than suffer more harry potter.  i think it's bubblegum gobbledy-gook so full of plot holes and byzantine, tropey character motives that it might as well have been named 'the eye of argon'.  which, makes me sad because my kids loved it and made me read it to them when they were young.  i was so happy when they started picking up the series by themselves and they stopped inflicting it upon me.

that being said, i LOVE LOVE LOVE kingkiller chronicles.  it is singly my favorite series (if you can call it that) i've ever read.  i devoured it.  it is the only fantasy where i was reading along, stopped, and reread a piece of prose just so i could go "wow.  that was good."  i read the criticisms of it and suffer cognitive dissonance because they just don't make sense to me -- it's like they're describing a different book.

so, yeah.  bet you can't guess what i voted for.
I've still yet to read a quote from Kingkiller that actually impresses me in terms of prose. (http://www.zsoc.com/images/smilies/zsoc/serious.gif)


uh.  hrm.  okay.  i'm on a mission now.  [turns to a random page]

Quote
She let it build until it was beyond anything a man could dream of dancing to. It was nothing like a trot now. It sprinted, fast as a pair of children racing. I marveled at how clean and clear her fingering was despite the frantic pace.

Faster. Quick as a deer with a wild dog behind it. I started to get nervous, knowing it was just a matter of time before she slid or slipped or dropped a note. But somehow she kept going, each note perfect, sharp and strong and sweet. Her flickering fingers arched high against the strings. The wrist of her bow hand hung loose and lazy despite the terrible speed.

Faster still. Her face was intent. Her bow arm a blur. Faster still. She braced herself, her long legs planted firmly on the stage, her fiddle tucked hard against her jaw. Each note sharp as early morning birdsong. Faster still.

She finished in a rush and gave a sudden, flourishing bow without a single mistake. I was sweating like a hard-run horse, my heart racing.

really?  nothing?

not even the cover quote?

Quote
I have stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings. I burned down the town of Trebon. I have spent the night with Felurian and left with both my sanity and my life. I was expelled from the University at a younger age than most people are allowed in. I tread paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during day. I have talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs that make the minstrels weep.

You may have heard of me.

it just makes me fanboi so very hard.
Nope, nothing. Neither of those is particularly impressive to me. If anything, they're a bit clunky.  :-\

It's probably also worth noting that, as someone who grew up surrounded by professional musicians, the music sections in those books just didn't work for me at all.
 
For some books, I'm 100% with Raptori's opinion - for others, 100% against. Kingkiller Chronicles is one of the later...
Oh well :)
It happens.  :P
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: m3mnoch on August 31, 2015, 07:10:32 PM
Nope, nothing. Neither of those is particularly impressive to me. If anything, they're a bit clunky.  :-\

*whew*  it's a good thing there are a bajillion fantasy authors then.  i'd feel bad if you were stuck reading rothfuss.
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Raptori on August 31, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
Nope, nothing. Neither of those is particularly impressive to me. If anything, they're a bit clunky.  :-\

*whew*  it's a good thing there are a bajillion fantasy authors then.  i'd feel bad if you were stuck reading rothfuss.
Lol yeah, same here!  ;D
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Hedin on August 31, 2015, 07:23:00 PM

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I have stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings. I burned down the town of Trebon. I have spent the night with Felurian and left with both my sanity and my life. I was expelled from the University at a younger age than most people are allowed in. I tread paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during day. I have talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs that make the minstrels weep.

You may have heard of me.

This right here is why this series annoys me.  All of that sounds great and supposedly he killed a king somewhere in there too.  Let's examine each of these events:

Stolen princess back from sleeping barrow kings - Not yet
Burned down the town of Trebon - Not yet
Spent the night with Felurian - Ok, he turned into some sort of sex god himself for a few days
Expelled from the University - Not yet
Tread paths by moonlight that others fear - Not really sure what this is referencing but I haven't really seen this fulfilled too much
Talked to Gods - Not yet
Loved women - One woman, but not women as in plural
Written songs that make the minstrels weep - He's a talented musician and did some poetry stuff but doesn't seem like he has really done this either

We are now two books out of a planned three and nearly every single thing that's listed as an accomplishment in the blurb hasn't been done yet.  For all of the world building Rothfuss did in the second book he hasn't really hit on any of this "major" events that were promised.  I believe he has written himself into a box where he has to get all of this stuff into the last book and then still come up with a final resolution stemming from the tavern storyline.  bu
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Raptori on August 31, 2015, 07:26:02 PM

Quote
I have stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings. I burned down the town of Trebon. I have spent the night with Felurian and left with both my sanity and my life. I was expelled from the University at a younger age than most people are allowed in. I tread paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during day. I have talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs that make the minstrels weep.

You may have heard of me.

This right here is why this series annoys me.  All of that sounds great and supposedly he killed a king somewhere in there too.  Let's examine each of these events:

Stolen princess back from sleeping barrow kings - Not yet
Burned down the town of Trebon - Not yet
Spent the night with Felurian - Ok, he turned into some sort of sex god himself for a few days
Expelled from the University - Not yet
Tread paths by moonlight that others fear - Not really sure what this is referencing but I haven't really seen this fulfilled too much
Talked to Gods - Not yet
Loved women - One woman, but not women as in plural
Written songs that make the minstrels weep - He's a talented musician and did some poetry stuff but doesn't seem like he has really done this either

We are now two books out of a planned three and nearly every single thing that's listed as an accomplishment in the blurb hasn't been done yet.  For all of the world building Rothfuss did in the second book he hasn't really hit on any of this "major" events that were promised.  I believe he has written himself into a box where he has to get all of this stuff into the last book and then still come up with a final resolution stemming from the tavern storyline.  bu
Re: the expelled from Uni bit - supposedly that's happened already. Was that really the bit where he was expelled for all of five minutes? Really?
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Hedin on August 31, 2015, 07:45:54 PM

Quote
I have stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings. I burned down the town of Trebon. I have spent the night with Felurian and left with both my sanity and my life. I was expelled from the University at a younger age than most people are allowed in. I tread paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during day. I have talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs that make the minstrels weep.

You may have heard of me.

This right here is why this series annoys me.  All of that sounds great and supposedly he killed a king somewhere in there too.  Let's examine each of these events:

Stolen princess back from sleeping barrow kings - Not yet
Burned down the town of Trebon - Not yet
Spent the night with Felurian - Ok, he turned into some sort of sex god himself for a few days
Expelled from the University - Not yet
Tread paths by moonlight that others fear - Not really sure what this is referencing but I haven't really seen this fulfilled too much
Talked to Gods - Not yet
Loved women - One woman, but not women as in plural
Written songs that make the minstrels weep - He's a talented musician and did some poetry stuff but doesn't seem like he has really done this either

We are now two books out of a planned three and nearly every single thing that's listed as an accomplishment in the blurb hasn't been done yet.  For all of the world building Rothfuss did in the second book he hasn't really hit on any of this "major" events that were promised.  I believe he has written himself into a box where he has to get all of this stuff into the last book and then still come up with a final resolution stemming from the tavern storyline.  bu
Re: the expelled from Uni bit - supposedly that's happened already. Was that really the bit where he was expelled for all of five minutes? Really?

Was he even actually expelled?  If I remember they just raised his tuition enough so that he couldn't afford it which was the vehicle Rothfuss used to get Kvothe out and do some more world building.
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Raptori on August 31, 2015, 07:50:16 PM

Quote
I have stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings. I burned down the town of Trebon. I have spent the night with Felurian and left with both my sanity and my life. I was expelled from the University at a younger age than most people are allowed in. I tread paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during day. I have talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs that make the minstrels weep.

You may have heard of me.

This right here is why this series annoys me.  All of that sounds great and supposedly he killed a king somewhere in there too.  Let's examine each of these events:

Stolen princess back from sleeping barrow kings - Not yet
Burned down the town of Trebon - Not yet
Spent the night with Felurian - Ok, he turned into some sort of sex god himself for a few days
Expelled from the University - Not yet
Tread paths by moonlight that others fear - Not really sure what this is referencing but I haven't really seen this fulfilled too much
Talked to Gods - Not yet
Loved women - One woman, but not women as in plural
Written songs that make the minstrels weep - He's a talented musician and did some poetry stuff but doesn't seem like he has really done this either

We are now two books out of a planned three and nearly every single thing that's listed as an accomplishment in the blurb hasn't been done yet.  For all of the world building Rothfuss did in the second book he hasn't really hit on any of this "major" events that were promised.  I believe he has written himself into a box where he has to get all of this stuff into the last book and then still come up with a final resolution stemming from the tavern storyline.  bu
Re: the expelled from Uni bit - supposedly that's happened already. Was that really the bit where he was expelled for all of five minutes? Really?

Was he even actually expelled?  If I remember they just raised his tuition enough so that he couldn't afford it which was the vehicle Rothfuss used to get Kvothe out and do some more world building.
I think so, didn't they expell him and then repeal the decision in the same meeting? Pretty sure that's what happened anyway...

Someone who likes the books more should probably confirm. Calling @m3mnoch (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40419), come in @m3mnoch (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40419)!  ;D
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: m3mnoch on August 31, 2015, 09:34:01 PM

Quote
I have stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings. I burned down the town of Trebon. I have spent the night with Felurian and left with both my sanity and my life. I was expelled from the University at a younger age than most people are allowed in. I tread paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during day. I have talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs that make the minstrels weep.

You may have heard of me.

This right here is why this series annoys me.  All of that sounds great and supposedly he killed a king somewhere in there too.  Let's examine each of these events:

Stolen princess back from sleeping barrow kings - Not yet
Burned down the town of Trebon - Not yet
Spent the night with Felurian - Ok, he turned into some sort of sex god himself for a few days
Expelled from the University - Not yet
Tread paths by moonlight that others fear - Not really sure what this is referencing but I haven't really seen this fulfilled too much
Talked to Gods - Not yet
Loved women - One woman, but not women as in plural
Written songs that make the minstrels weep - He's a talented musician and did some poetry stuff but doesn't seem like he has really done this either

We are now two books out of a planned three and nearly every single thing that's listed as an accomplishment in the blurb hasn't been done yet.  For all of the world building Rothfuss did in the second book he hasn't really hit on any of this "major" events that were promised.  I believe he has written himself into a box where he has to get all of this stuff into the last book and then still come up with a final resolution stemming from the tavern storyline.  bu
Re: the expelled from Uni bit - supposedly that's happened already. Was that really the bit where he was expelled for all of five minutes? Really?

Was he even actually expelled?  If I remember they just raised his tuition enough so that he couldn't afford it which was the vehicle Rothfuss used to get Kvothe out and do some more world building.
I think so, didn't they expell him and then repeal the decision in the same meeting? Pretty sure that's what happened anyway...

Someone who likes the books more should probably confirm. Calling @m3mnoch (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40419), come in @m3mnoch (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40419)!  ;D

sorry!  i was out for a lunchtime run!

Burned down the town of Trebon -- this was the town that burned down.  when he dropped the large iron wheel from the building on that monster.

Expelled from the University -- yes.  for a year.  that's when he was doing work for the vintas guy.  the one the musician guy hooked him up with. five minutes.

Tread paths by moonlight that others fear -- wasn't this part of the felurian sequence?

Loved women -- what about felurian?  or the sword fighter girl?  or that redhead in the tavern?  what about auri?  he doesn't say "in love with women" or "true love".

Written songs that make the minstrels weep -- i don't remember explicitly where, but this was definitely a thing already.

i REALLY need a better memory.

anyway...

he's still got, like, 10 years before he's little, boring kote, right?  that's plenty of time.

also, i think your part that annoys you hits on one of the things i love about the story.  the dichotomy between brash, young, "pump up my legend" kvothe and the lowly (but still fairly badass) bartender.  it feels like that's where the character is going -- there's going to be an epic event that causes a crisis of faith in himself.  he's going to hit bottom with imposter syndrome.  (keep in mind, this is me guessing)

so, the "you may have heard of me" braggadocio is obviously coming from his pre-crisis self.  before he's discovered that he's not all that and a bag of chips.

edit:  oh!  hey!  http://io9.com/5971523/10-things-kvothe-absolutely-needs-to-do-in-day-3-of-patrick-rothfuss-kingkiller-chronicles-books

edit 2:  hrm.  it looks like he left of his own for the vintas thing.  so, the expulsion has to be the expelled-suddenly-not-expelled thing.
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Elfy on August 31, 2015, 10:45:48 PM
With Kingkiller people have advanced a couple of theories, one is that the entire series is a subtle parody of epic fantasy as a genre and the other is that Kvothe is an unreliable narrator, so therefore nothing he says can be trusted. I didn't really like The Name of the Wind, great title, fairly dreary book. I called it Night Angel meets Wizard of Earthsea for a while. There's something, excuse the pun, magical about Harry Potter. Scratch the surface a little and it works on a number of levels beyond this is a fun story for pre teens, there is a reason so many people over that target age have gotten into them, and it was wonderful how the books aged with the protagonists and the intended readers. Not many series can successfully pull that off.
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Raptori on August 31, 2015, 10:47:42 PM
With Kingkiller people have advanced a couple of theories, one is that the entire series is a subtle parody of epic fantasy as a genre and the other is that Kvothe is an unreliable narrator, so therefore nothing he says can be trusted.
I read the books with this as a fundamental assumption. If that's not the case, then I'm not sure I'd have been able to make it through them.  :-\
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: m3mnoch on August 31, 2015, 11:24:59 PM
one is that the entire series is a subtle parody of epic fantasy as a genre and the other is that Kvothe is an unreliable narrator, so therefore nothing he says can be trusted.

i disbelieve both of these theories.  primarily because bast is evidence that at one point, kvothe truly was awesome.  therefore, the stories about kvothe have truth in them.  therefore, while probably filled with exaggeration and not verbatim true, "unreliable" seems in the eye of the beholder, but it's certainly not parody.
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: ClintACK on September 01, 2015, 01:35:19 AM
Oh, Kvothe is *definitely* an unreliable narrator.  But not a *completely* unreliable narrator. 

Re: "Stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings..."

I'm pretty sure that is one of the exaggerated versions of the story in Wise Man's Fear where he rescues a couple of young girls from bandits who are pretending to be a troupe of minstrels.
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Hedin on September 01, 2015, 02:08:14 AM

also, i think your part that annoys you hits on one of the things i love about the story.  the dichotomy between brash, young, "pump up my legend" kvothe and the lowly (but still fairly badass) bartender.  it feels like that's where the character is going -- there's going to be an epic event that causes a crisis of faith in himself.  he's going to hit bottom with imposter syndrome.  (keep in mind, this is me guessing)

Eh, its not really that.  Its more that we had this whole novel of stuff that did absolutely nothing to advance the plot of the series in any meaningful way.  At the end of Wise Man's Fear Kvothe is in the exact same spot as when he started the book just with a few more experiences.  Maybe some of those experiences will be translate into other events down the line but from where we stand right now it just looks like world building filler to me. 

Oh, Kvothe is *definitely* an unreliable narrator.  But not a *completely* unreliable narrator. 

I'm in this camp.  There may be some exaggeration to a degree but I believe the events pretty much happened roughly as they are portrayed.
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Lady Ty on September 01, 2015, 02:41:29 AM
Oh, Kvothe is *definitely* an unreliable narrator.  But not a *completely* unreliable narrator. 


Agree, and sure that is what we have to decide for ourselves eventually - what was really true or what Kvothe wished was true. Believe that we could deliberately be left wondering about quite a lot, even after the third book.  Don't some authors prefer readers to put many different interpretations on their work?   There is already great discussion here on whether or not some of those boasts have already been accomplished.  I definitely didn't think that was a real expulsion and wouldn't have counted it, but maybe it was. ;)
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: Doctor_Chill on September 01, 2015, 03:16:31 AM
My main theory is that Kvothe is actually a Dark Lord in hiding. Now that would be a great twist on the genre. ;)
Title: Re: FFBB: Favourite Series - Harry Potter vs Kingkiller Chronicles
Post by: vgunn on September 01, 2015, 08:23:00 AM
Really enjoyed both, but I have to go with Potter.