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Re: Fantasy-Faction Book Battles: Favourite Fantasy Standalone Nominations
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2015, 05:56:13 PM »
I forgot Replay as well  :D
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Re: Fantasy-Faction Book Battles: Favourite Fantasy Standalone Nominations
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2015, 06:04:22 PM »
The Misenchanted Sword is an interesting suggestion, not heard of it before.

Also think it wins the award for most exclamation marks in a blurb description on goodreads...


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Re: Fantasy-Faction Book Battles: Favourite Fantasy Standalone Nominations
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2015, 07:55:32 PM »
So what are the rules? I ve seen nominations from the Discworld which although I love it seems unfair as it was just competing as a series. Also Stephen King It is horror not fantasy. If that gets in you are opening the door to science fiction as well and then novels like Horns by Joe Hill. 

Also I would say no to novels under 200 pages as they are really novellas/ novellettes? (Can never remember the difference.)  And maybe say no more than 3 per writer. So Neil Gaiman could have Neverwhere, American Gods and Good Omens (with Sir Terry) but no more? (The 3 books by Neil Gaiman open to debate.) Or maybe an early round where   writers have their own stand alone novels pitched against each other to lead to a diverse series of actual battles.

I will add my nominations a bit later. You seem to have covered a lot of my favourites already!
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Re: Fantasy-Faction Book Battles: Favourite Fantasy Standalone Nominations
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2015, 09:29:10 PM »

  • Lawrence Watt-Evans's The Misenchanted Sword

       This is the first of his Ethshar novels, but none of the characters are repeated in the other dozen or so novels in the "series", most of which take place hundreds of years later.  It's also a very, very cool story that sets the pattern for the rest of the Ethshar books -- take a basically decent and common-sensical PoV character, stick them in a somewhat cliched fantasy story setup, and see what happens when the PoV character *isn't* a fantasy hero cliche character.

       Can't recommend this enough.  Or the second book, With a Single Spell -- but that protagonist appears periodically in several other books, including getting another PoV, so I think it's not eligible for this.

  • William Goldman's The Princess Bride
       It's not quite as unforgettable as the movie, but it's still really good.
  • Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland
       Not sure if Through the Looking Glass makes this ineligible, but if it doesn't, it's a spectacular classic.
  • Greg Maguire's Wicked: Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West
       Very cool retelling of a story we all know from the other side.  (Note: The musical came *after* the book.)
  • Terry Pratchett's Small Gods
  • J.R.R. Tolkein's The Hobbit
  • Neil Gaiman's American Gods
  • Ken Grimwood's Replay
       Thanks to Elfy for reminding me of this one.  I remember loving it -- but somehow in my head it got filed as "hard SF", which is silly, but how I think of "exactly our world with this one change" fiction.  But it makes much more sense to think of this one as fantasy.
  • Stephen King's Salem's Lot

Several nominees already that are in my TBR pile... Howl's Moving Castle and Tooth and Claw most prominently.

Might edit later on to add more as I think of them (or others do and nominate them later).  Still thinking about classics like Dracula and Peter Pan...
I wasn't sure about how to classify Replay myself, but as it won the World Fantasy Award in 1988 it seems to fit. I don't see why horror can't be included. Many of them have fantastical elements to them, now a lot of them are tagged as dark fantasy. The lines between the genres are very blurred.
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Re: Fantasy-Faction Book Battles: Favourite Fantasy Standalone Nominations
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2015, 10:33:16 PM »
So what are the rules? I ve seen nominations from the Discworld which although I love it seems unfair as it was just competing as a series. Also Stephen King It is horror not fantasy. If that gets in you are opening the door to science fiction as well and then novels like Horns by Joe Hill. 

Also I would say no to novels under 200 pages as they are really novellas/ novellettes? (Can never remember the difference.)  And maybe say no more than 3 per writer. So Neil Gaiman could have Neverwhere, American Gods and Good Omens (with Sir Terry) but no more? (The 3 books by Neil Gaiman open to debate.) Or maybe an early round where   writers have their own stand alone novels pitched against each other to lead to a diverse series of actual battles.

I will add my nominations a bit later. You seem to have covered a lot of my favourites already!
I don't have any problem with Discworld novels, since if you bar them then by the same logic you should arguably bar many other books - the Hobbit for example - and we'd end up with an even smaller pool. I'm not too bothered by horror either, as long as there is some kind of fantastical element in it.

I did ask re: short novels/novellas, but nobody answered. I don't see the problem really, since novellas can be just as deep and compelling as a full-length novel. I see it as a competition is for the best standalone story, and I think novellas can be strong enough to count.  :P
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Re: Fantasy-Faction Book Battles: Favourite Fantasy Standalone Nominations
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2015, 10:38:18 PM »
Totally agree there should be a limited number of books per author.  Otherwise we might as well just hold the Terry Pratchett vs. Neil Gaiman contest.  :)

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Re: Fantasy-Faction Book Battles: Favourite Fantasy Standalone Nominations
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2015, 11:11:33 PM »
So what are the rules? I ve seen nominations from the Discworld which although I love it seems unfair as it was just competing as a series. Also Stephen King It is horror not fantasy. If that gets in you are opening the door to science fiction as well and then novels like Horns by Joe Hill. 

Also I would say no to novels under 200 pages as they are really novellas/ novellettes? (Can never remember the difference.)  And maybe say no more than 3 per writer. So Neil Gaiman could have Neverwhere, American Gods and Good Omens (with Sir Terry) but no more? (The 3 books by Neil Gaiman open to debate.) Or maybe an early round where   writers have their own stand alone novels pitched against each other to lead to a diverse series of actual battles.

I will add my nominations a bit later. You seem to have covered a lot of my favourites already!
I don't have any problem with Discworld novels, since if you bar them then by the same logic you should arguably bar many other books - the Hobbit for example - and we'd end up with an even smaller pool. I'm not too bothered by horror either, as long as there is some kind of fantastical element in it.

I did ask re: short novels/novellas, but nobody answered. I don't see the problem really, since novellas can be just as deep and compelling as a full-length novel. I see it as a competition is for the best standalone story, and I think novellas can be strong enough to count.  :P

So basically we are doing based best standalone story with fantastical elements? How would people feels about say Sand Kings by George RR Martin being chosen as the winner of a competition called best fantasy standalone? Or would you feel cheated as it is essentially a science fiction novella?
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Re: Fantasy-Faction Book Battles: Favourite Fantasy Standalone Nominations
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2015, 11:32:37 PM »
So what are the rules? I ve seen nominations from the Discworld which although I love it seems unfair as it was just competing as a series. Also Stephen King It is horror not fantasy. If that gets in you are opening the door to science fiction as well and then novels like Horns by Joe Hill. 

Also I would say no to novels under 200 pages as they are really novellas/ novellettes? (Can never remember the difference.)  And maybe say no more than 3 per writer. So Neil Gaiman could have Neverwhere, American Gods and Good Omens (with Sir Terry) but no more? (The 3 books by Neil Gaiman open to debate.) Or maybe an early round where   writers have their own stand alone novels pitched against each other to lead to a diverse series of actual battles.

I will add my nominations a bit later. You seem to have covered a lot of my favourites already!
I don't have any problem with Discworld novels, since if you bar them then by the same logic you should arguably bar many other books - the Hobbit for example - and we'd end up with an even smaller pool. I'm not too bothered by horror either, as long as there is some kind of fantastical element in it.

I did ask re: short novels/novellas, but nobody answered. I don't see the problem really, since novellas can be just as deep and compelling as a full-length novel. I see it as a competition is for the best standalone story, and I think novellas can be strong enough to count.  :P

So basically we are doing based best standalone story with fantastical elements? How would people feels about say Sand Kings by George RR Martin being chosen as the winner of a competition called best fantasy standalone? Or would you feel cheated as it is essentially a science fiction novella?
No idea, since I've never even heard of it before.  ;)
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Re: Fantasy-Faction Book Battles: Favourite Fantasy Standalone Nominations
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2015, 01:21:01 AM »
Sandkings. First story I ever read by GRRM. Awesome, nasty story.  ;D
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Re: Fantasy-Faction Book Battles: Favourite Fantasy Standalone Nominations
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2015, 10:34:55 AM »
I'm not sure if we're counting number of nominations as a criteria, but since many people already said "many have already mentioned my choices", I'll try to add books not yet mentioned (I think):

Shades of Grey - Jasper Fforde
Black Opera - Mary Gentle
Alamut - Judith Tarr
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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2015, 10:37:22 AM »
I'm not sure if we're counting number of nominations as a criteria, but since many people already said "many have already mentioned my choices", I'll try to add books not yet mentioned (I think):

50 Shades of Grey - E. L. James
Black Opera - Mary Gentle
Alamut - Judith Tarr

Fixed that for you  ;D  :P  :-[

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« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2015, 10:38:27 AM »
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Re: Fantasy-Faction Book Battles: Favourite Fantasy Standalone Nominations
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2015, 10:41:40 AM »
I'm not sure if we're counting number of nominations as a criteria, but since many people already said "many have already mentioned my choices", I'll try to add books not yet mentioned (I think):

Shades of Grey - Jasper Fforde
Black Opera - Mary Gentle
Alamut - Judith Tarr
Assuming we're taking the same approach as last time - which I thought worked really well - then yeah, number of nominations is the most important factor...  :P
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Re: Fantasy-Faction Book Battles: Favourite Fantasy Standalone Nominations
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2015, 10:42:57 AM »
I'm lost... I could add a couple, but then we've already lost a few from others?
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« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2015, 10:44:51 AM »
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