May 28, 2017, 01:19:49 PM

Author Topic: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels  (Read 115210 times)

Offline Sensei

Re: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2011, 02:05:04 PM »
This is so useful. Nice one

Offline Gothos

Re: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2011, 02:19:02 PM »
There is a warm and fuzzy feeling that comes over me at the site of a BIG book. Being a lover of history I enjoy a book crammed with information. Throw a wizard into that equation and a 400K word count and you have a winner.
I saw them on the shores
the deepening pits of their gaze
vowed immortal war
against the sighing calm
of Jaghut seas . . .

Gothos’ Folly
Gothos (b.?)

Offline pornokitsch

Re: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2011, 04:25:40 PM »
there's definitely a trend for modern fantasy (or novels in general) to be incredibly long. but i'm of the opinion that these longer books don't have better stories or more intricate plots, than older books...

I tend to agree. I see the market forces involved (I'll buy the theory that consumers demand more pages for their buck, I guess), but I'm reading too many books that could easily lose hundreds of pages without it making a bit of difference to plot, story or character development.

Offline Nighteyes

  • Derp?
  • Ringbearer
  • *****
  • Posts: 6427
  • Total likes: 1192
  • OH WOW! JUST WORKED OUT HOW TO DO THIS!!!!!
    • View Profile
Re: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2011, 05:07:38 PM »
The quest for the perfect fantasy epic reminds me of the quest for the perfect epic poem in english literature history.all the poets were obsessed with writing epic poems that would be their legacy like homer before them. . . But as a result you got lots of unfinished masterpieces like the canterbury tales, paradise regained and best of all "the prelude" a prelude to a epic poem wordsworth never got round to writing!
The Real Powers That Be

Offline shigzeo

Re: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2011, 08:56:06 AM »
I got bored of the Wheel of Time after book 2, though I went on to read all of book three and four. They were too long and too much of the same story pasted onto different boards.
My Twitter
To infidelity and beyond!

Offline Toc the Youngest

Re: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2011, 10:08:12 AM »
Me being a huge Steven Erikson fan, I'm used to huge books...after you read them you can do some arm curls with them or use them to hold open a really big door.
"Name none of the fallen, for they stood in our place, and stand there still in each moment of our lives. Let my death hold no glory, and let me die forgotten and unknown. Let it not be said that I was one among the dead to accuse the living." - Duiker

Offline James Barclay

Re: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2011, 02:39:57 PM »
I've gone long and short in my career so far. When I started out, I was averaging around 160K for The Raven novels. Heading into the Ascedndants I went totally tonto and the first one was 305K and I swore I'd never write a book so long again. Don't get me wrong, I loved writing the book, I just think that I'm at my best with shorter counts (that might change in the coming years). To that end, with the Elves series, I've settled on 120K as a target. It is for others to say if I've got it right but it's a length I'm enjoying working with.
"Politicians seek victory to taste further glory. Soldiers seek victory to taste further life." Takaar, first Arch of the TaiGethen

Offline Overlord

Re: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2011, 03:28:25 PM »
I've gone long and short in my career so far. When I started out, I was averaging around 160K for The Raven novels. Heading into the Ascedndants I went totally tonto and the first one was 305K and I swore I'd never write a book so long again. Don't get me wrong, I loved writing the book, I just think that I'm at my best with shorter counts (that might change in the coming years). To that end, with the Elves series, I've settled on 120K as a target. It is for others to say if I've got it right but it's a length I'm enjoying working with.

Oh! Great to have you on the board James, I recently finished 'Elves Once Walked With Gods' - very good read. Should be a review up soon actually :)
Founder: http://fantasy-faction.com
Editor: Fantasy-Faction Anthology (Aug 2014)
Author: "Son of…" in 1853 (2013)
Host: Fantasy-Faction's Grim Gathering

Offline James Barclay

Re: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2011, 03:41:25 PM »
Fabulous stuff, Mr Overlord... glad you enjoyed it. Since you did, I am looking forward to the review very much.
"Politicians seek victory to taste further glory. Soldiers seek victory to taste further life." Takaar, first Arch of the TaiGethen

Offline Tiffany Kysis Tackett

Re: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2011, 05:53:47 PM »
Oh goodness.  Well, at least it is nice to see what the epic fantasy trend is looking like, since that's the battle I am wading into. x_x  Guess I need to start shooting for a much higher wordcount, though from the plot markers I've got, I'm already heading towards one.

Offline WizardofWestmarch

  • Half a King
  • ***
  • Posts: 391
  • Total likes: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • Awesomeness at a Mile High
    • View Profile
Re: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2011, 07:56:12 PM »
I could be wrong (shocking I know) but I expect there will be a bit of a backlash against longer epic fantasy works in the next few years (say over 200k). I love long works to a point, but stuff like Way of Kings is freaking ridiculous. Not to mention Erikson's entire Malazan series :P
Lover and would be writer of fantasy
My tumblelog on writing

Offline Nighteyes

  • Derp?
  • Ringbearer
  • *****
  • Posts: 6427
  • Total likes: 1192
  • OH WOW! JUST WORKED OUT HOW TO DO THIS!!!!!
    • View Profile
Re: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2011, 08:13:50 PM »
If the quality is there, long word counts are fine.but sadly its too often the sign of a poorly edited book. IMO Harry Potter went down hill after Rowling started writing them as tomes.Though I still love Way of Kings. Dont think that was too long at all! 
The Real Powers That Be

Offline WizardofWestmarch

  • Half a King
  • ***
  • Posts: 391
  • Total likes: 0
  • Gender: Male
  • Awesomeness at a Mile High
    • View Profile
Re: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2011, 10:23:33 PM »
More often than not many of the plot threads are not connected enough to need to be in the same book, which is where most of the length comes from is sheer number of plot threads being woven.
Lover and would be writer of fantasy
My tumblelog on writing

Offline Toc the Youngest

Re: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2011, 10:59:48 PM »
I've gone long and short in my career so far. When I started out, I was averaging around 160K for The Raven novels. Heading into the Ascedndants I went totally tonto and the first one was 305K and I swore I'd never write a book so long again. Don't get me wrong, I loved writing the book, I just think that I'm at my best with shorter counts (that might change in the coming years). To that end, with the Elves series, I've settled on 120K as a target. It is for others to say if I've got it right but it's a length I'm enjoying working with.

RAVEN!!!  I'm halfway into book 2, love the series so far!
"Name none of the fallen, for they stood in our place, and stand there still in each moment of our lives. Let my death hold no glory, and let me die forgotten and unknown. Let it not be said that I was one among the dead to accuse the living." - Duiker

Offline Corvus

Re: Word Counts of Epic Fantasy Novels
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2011, 11:51:35 PM »
I've gone a complete 180 on those monster epics - I don't read them any more.  Having to wait 20+ years to find out is rediculous.

Now days I much prefer shorter stories - the shorter the better.  Short stories and novellas - or stand alone novels - are what I want to read.  It means going back to the classics like Howard and Lieber but that is no bad thing.
The Lands of Mist and Shadows - http://mistandshadows.com/
Tales from a Thousand Worlds - http://talesfromathousandworlds.com/

Tags:
 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
27 Replies
11935 Views
Last post January 28, 2013, 11:12:36 PM
by Jaedia
15 Replies
6512 Views
Last post May 12, 2011, 05:47:28 PM
by pornokitsch
1 Replies
1294 Views
Last post July 03, 2012, 03:10:17 AM
by THElewisdix
12 Replies
2476 Views
Last post July 04, 2015, 02:08:10 AM
by jefGoelz
16 Replies
1938 Views
Last post September 24, 2015, 05:29:10 PM
by GordonAtkins