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Title: Which Fantasy Race would you like to see more of?
Post by: Overlord on March 05, 2012, 10:05:11 AM
We recently interviewed David Tallerman and discussed with him the fact that Giants kind of disappeared from Fantasy Literature for a while. I guess, in hindsight, they are more folklore and fairytale, but still - I would have expected more of them to enter books than actually have. It seems to me that Elves and Dragons have maintained the best presence in novels so far... but what fantasy races do you think should make more appearances?
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Post by: Overlord on March 05, 2012, 10:08:49 AM
One that I've discovered pretty recently and really, really enjoyed reading about were 'Banshees'. Mark Newton has them as pretty important aspects of his 'Nights of Villjamur' series and as a race they are really cool. I believe the general lore in regards to a Banshee is  that when someone dies or is about to die, you hear their screams. I think the race is a pretty creepy one - because they are omens of death and there is a lot to play with there. Do they react to death coming, do they know when someone is about to die, do they decide a person death, what is their role before and after death other than to scream? I'd love to read a bit more about them :)
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Post by: Nighteyes on March 05, 2012, 11:22:34 AM
More nymphs please!
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Post by: AnneLyle on March 05, 2012, 11:31:58 AM
I think giants are a problem because of their scale - unless they are rather small giants (say, under 5m) it's damned hard for human-sized folk to interact with them.

If we're going to have more nymphs, there should be fauns and satyrs too - maybe evil ones, like the Broo in Runequest :)
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Post by: Mark Lawrence on March 05, 2012, 12:16:30 PM
More minotaur! Help them out of the labyrinth I say!
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Post by: EDB77 on March 05, 2012, 03:16:45 PM
More nymphs please!

Hah!!

Kinda beat me to it - I was gonna say Amazon warrior women in fur bikinis!
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Post by: Overlord on March 05, 2012, 03:54:05 PM
I think giants are a problem because of their scale - unless they are rather small giants (say, under 5m) it's damned hard for human-sized folk to interact with them.

If we're going to have more nymphs, there should be fauns and satyrs too - maybe evil ones, like the Broo in Runequest :)

So, what you are saying Anne is that we need smaller giants? :D
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Post by: Dan D Jones on March 05, 2012, 06:04:17 PM
I think giants are a problem because of their scale - unless they are rather small giants (say, under 5m) it's damned hard for human-sized folk to interact with them.

One of the few epics that features giants is The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant.  They're about twice the size of a normal human, so fit that criteria.

So, what you are saying Anne is that we need smaller giants? :D

I suppose they live on a diet of jumbo shrimp?
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Post by: AnneLyle on March 05, 2012, 06:05:25 PM
So, what you are saying Anne is that we need smaller giants? :D

Yeah, and bigger dwarves too!

*rotflmao*
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Post by: Francis Knight on March 05, 2012, 06:59:42 PM
Miniature giant space hamsters?
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Post by: xiagan on March 05, 2012, 07:13:04 PM
More nymphs please!
+1

Fauns and Satyrs aren't bad either.

What about some gnomes? (the engineering, crafting, and inventing kind from Forgotten Realms for example)
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Post by: AshKB on March 05, 2012, 09:52:29 PM
Centaurs. World needs more centaurs.
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Post by: Friday on March 05, 2012, 10:01:01 PM
Count me in for the nymphs too.:D

There are Frowth Giants in Farland's Runelords series. Like giant hairy things. And I think there was something similar in Tad Wiliams' Memory, Sorry and Thorn books.

Brownies, Centaurs, Furies, Griffins, Cyclops and Farm Boys that stay on the farm. All great mythical creatures we could do with more of.:D
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Post by: Elfy on March 05, 2012, 10:14:57 PM
Nixies. I read a fairy tale years ago about a nixie, and hardly anyone ever writes them now.
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Post by: Nighteyes on March 06, 2012, 02:10:23 AM
Apparently Patrick Rothfuss was just surfing the web, checked out the forum, and will now be putting nymphs in the third volume of King Killers Chronicles. So result there.
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Post by: AnneLyle on March 06, 2012, 07:49:32 AM
Miniature giant space hamsters?

You want to watch those - they'll have your eye out ;)
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Post by: Funky Scarecrow on March 06, 2012, 08:35:57 AM
Miniature giant space hamsters?


Go for the eyes, Boo!

*Ahem*

Meanwhile, back on topic: Lizard Men. Lizard Men are overdue for a comeback. Yes, I have been rereading A Princess of Mars while playing through Skyrim as an Argonian. Why do you ask?
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Post by: Nighteyes on March 06, 2012, 02:25:16 PM
I ve been temping for a company who looks after vulnerable and elderly people, and we take a number of phonecalls from a man who believes there are 6 foot flying hamsters in his house....


Anyways here's my proposed outline for a book staring nymphs

Nymphlight

Jim is a social outcast who likes Star Trek TNG and playing WOW online.  He has no friends in real life because his mum is always making him move from town to town.  One day he moves to Sexington and joins the local High School, and is befriended by a beautiful young blonde waif, Rosie.  He gets to meet her family, who are all females and drop dead gorgeous, and discovers a whole community of nymphs live int the town of Sexington.  But an ancient war is being acted out between the fauns and the nymphs in the town of Sexington.  Can Jim forge an alliance between the two communities, and win the heart of Rosie? Or will he have to sacrifice to much to do so?
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Post by: AnneLyle on March 06, 2012, 03:16:56 PM
Meanwhile, back on topic: Lizard Men. Lizard Men are overdue for a comeback. Yes, I have been rereading A Princess of Mars while playing through Skyrim as an Argonian. Why do you ask?

There are lizard men in Richard Morgan's fantasy world (The Steel Remains, etc), though I'm only halfway through the first book and so far we've only seen them in brief flashbacks.
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Post by: Nyki Blatchley on March 06, 2012, 03:33:35 PM
I used a nymph in a story that was published last year, though it was an invented type of nymph (a chronead, which is a nymph of time).

In general, I prefer stories with humans and/or invented races, but I'd like to see more Greek mythological figures used by authors who look like they've actually read some Greek mythology, as opposed to getting it from Hollywood or games.
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Post by: AshKB on March 06, 2012, 08:24:24 PM
Nymphlight

Jim is a social outcast who likes Star Trek TNG and playing WOW online.  He has no friends in real life because his mum is always making him move from town to town.  One day he moves to Sexington and joins the local High School, and is befriended by a beautiful young blonde waif, Rosie.  He gets to meet her family, who are all females and drop dead gorgeous, and discovers a whole community of nymphs live int the town of Sexington.  But an ancient war is being acted out between the fauns and the nymphs in the town of Sexington.  Can Jim forge an alliance between the two communities, and win the heart of Rosie? Or will he have to sacrifice to much to do so?

How about something really original, and Jim and Rosie are friends? The sooner we step away from 'there has to be romance' and 'girls' hearts are things to be won like a prize', the better, really. Because friendship can be powerful and meaningful, and there isn't enough of it in fiction.

Just my two cents.
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Post by: Nighteyes on March 06, 2012, 09:07:35 PM
Nymphlight

Jim is a social outcast who likes Star Trek TNG and playing WOW online.  He has no friends in real life because his mum is always making him move from town to town.  One day he moves to Sexington and joins the local High School, and is befriended by a beautiful young blonde waif, Rosie.  He gets to meet her family, who are all females and drop dead gorgeous, and discovers a whole community of nymphs live int the town of Sexington.  But an ancient war is being acted out between the fauns and the nymphs in the town of Sexington.  Can Jim forge an alliance between the two communities, and win the heart of Rosie? Or will he have to sacrifice to much to do so?

How about something really original, and Jim and Rosie are friends? The sooner we step away from 'there has to be romance' and 'girls' hearts are things to be won like a prize', the better, really. Because friendship can be powerful and meaningful, and there isn't enough of it in fiction.

Just my two cents.

I was thinking that perhaps the ending could be Rosie and Jim leaving the town of Sexington on a canal barge...
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Post by: xiagan on March 06, 2012, 09:35:21 PM
I was thinking that perhaps the ending could be Rosie and Jim leaving the town of Sexington on a canal barge...
...into the sunset.
Title: Re: Which Fantasy Race would you like to see more of?
Post by: AshKB on March 06, 2012, 09:40:14 PM
Nymphlight

Jim is a social outcast who likes Star Trek TNG and playing WOW online.  He has no friends in real life because his mum is always making him move from town to town.  One day he moves to Sexington and joins the local High School, and is befriended by a beautiful young blonde waif, Rosie.  He gets to meet her family, who are all females and drop dead gorgeous, and discovers a whole community of nymphs live int the town of Sexington.  But an ancient war is being acted out between the fauns and the nymphs in the town of Sexington.  Can Jim forge an alliance between the two communities, and win the heart of Rosie? Or will he have to sacrifice to much to do so?

How about something really original, and Jim and Rosie are friends? The sooner we step away from 'there has to be romance' and 'girls' hearts are things to be won like a prize', the better, really. Because friendship can be powerful and meaningful, and there isn't enough of it in fiction.

Just my two cents.

I was thinking that perhaps the ending could be Rosie and Jim leaving the town of Sexington on a canal barge...

Where they go to a big city with a big geek culture and fit in fine, because WoW and Star Trek are awesome things, and they have adventures online and offline they become advocates for inter-species peace while being BFFs and roommates?

*pause*

I suppose I've never been very good at tropes.
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Post by: Nighteyes on March 06, 2012, 09:44:28 PM
I was thinking they would be magically changed into rag dolls for a slightly tragic-comic ending:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ktb7k1nKKM1qa1d27o1_400.jpg)
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Post by: Elfy on March 06, 2012, 11:07:30 PM
Meanwhile, back on topic: Lizard Men. Lizard Men are overdue for a comeback. Yes, I have been rereading A Princess of Mars while playing through Skyrim as an Argonian. Why do you ask?

There are lizard men in Richard Morgan's fantasy world (The Steel Remains, etc), though I'm only halfway through the first book and so far we've only seen them in brief flashbacks.
There were also lizard men in Jane Gaskell's Atlan series. In fact I believe the first book The Serpent was called that after one of the main male protagonists; Zerd, who was a lizard man of sorts. There are also lizard men in Seanan McGuire's Discount Armageddon.
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Post by: AshKB on March 07, 2012, 08:38:22 AM
I think if I were to write nymphs....hmm. My dryads would be eco-terrorists who are only getting along for the sake of the forest. Normally, they don't like each other that much, as trees do not get along (and try and sabotage and/or directly kill each other - seriously, watch David Attenborough's Life of Plants),and thus the gatherings of singing and dancing that people have witness throughout the ages have either been war councils, or actual war. They'd have names like "Tallest-Ash-In-Glade" and "Oldest-Oak-Split-In-Two-By-Storm" and "Vine-Fig-Who-Strangled-Three-Trees", and not be interested in sex or romance, because they are the spirits of trees.

(Never trust an oak dryad - they are patient and crafty, and know that generally they just have to wait for everyone else to die before they are able to rule their part of the forest).

But I like twisting tropes, and running with things, and making non-human humanoids as non-human as I can. You could do some really fun things with nymphs, I suspect.
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Post by: Dan D Jones on March 07, 2012, 03:21:36 PM
Anything which does not come from Greco-Roman mythology or from European folklore.  There's nothing wrong with using those sources but I'd like to see more alternative sources incorporated into the corpus. 
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Post by: Friday on March 07, 2012, 06:36:09 PM
I was thinking they would be magically changed into rag dolls for a slightly tragic-comic ending:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ktb7k1nKKM1qa1d27o1_400.jpg)

Scary childhood memories there..
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Post by: FelixKatz on March 18, 2012, 05:17:48 PM
More seagulls. You never see intelligent, nefarious seagulls in fantasy anymore.
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Post by: Nyki Blatchley on March 18, 2012, 06:16:30 PM
More seagulls. You never see intelligent, nefarious seagulls in fantasy anymore.

Not since Jonathan Livingstone Seagull - though he wasn't all that nefarious.
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Post by: Autumn2May on March 18, 2012, 07:23:49 PM
More seagulls. You never see intelligent, nefarious seagulls in fantasy anymore.

Have you read Sam Sykes? Super creepy seagulls... :o
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Post by: Elfy on March 18, 2012, 11:05:25 PM
More seagulls. You never see intelligent, nefarious seagulls in fantasy anymore.

Not since Jonathan Livingstone Seagull - though he wasn't all that nefarious.
He wasn't, but there were a few less savoury ones in Mad Magazine's parody; Jonathan Livingstone Segal.
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Post by: Nighteyes on March 18, 2012, 11:08:06 PM
More seagulls. You never see intelligent, nefarious seagulls in fantasy anymore.

Not since Jonathan Livingstone Seagull - though he wasn't all that nefarious.
He wasn't, but there were a few less savoury ones in Mad Magazine's parody; Jonathan Livingstone Segal.

I am fairly certain there was a seagull in Watership Down, and they must have cropped up in Brian Jacques' novels.
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Post by: Autumn2May on March 19, 2012, 12:52:09 AM
More seagulls. You never see intelligent, nefarious seagulls in fantasy anymore.

Not since Jonathan Livingstone Seagull - though he wasn't all that nefarious.
He wasn't, but there were a few less savoury ones in Mad Magazine's parody; Jonathan Livingstone Segal.

I am fairly certain there was a seagull in Watership Down, and they must have cropped up in Brian Jacques' novels.

The seagull in Watership Down is a good guy though.  And not very bright.
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Post by: Nighteyes on March 19, 2012, 03:55:50 AM
He curses a lot!  PISS OFF!  And why was he Russian?


Watership Down - Kehaar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUtKDcX79ys#)

And Mariel of Redwall was nicknamed 'Storm Gullwhacker"!  So sea gulls were clearly 'bad' in those novels.... though they prove quite useful in James and the Giant Peach.  Sadly in both the latter two examples, seagulls seem not to have much intelligence assigned to them.

Finally the seagull fancier might enjoy either:

Seagull Drovers by Steve Cockayne http://www.amazon.com/Seagull-Drovers-Legends-Land-3/dp/184149304X/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1332129645&sr=1-3 (http://www.amazon.com/Seagull-Drovers-Legends-Land-3/dp/184149304X/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1332129645&sr=1-3)]

or The Black Blade (A Gull Village Story) by Sean Hexter http://www.amazon.com/Black-Blade-Village-Story-ebook/dp/B004GNFT9E/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1332129645&sr=1-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Black-Blade-Village-Story-ebook/dp/B004GNFT9E/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1332129645&sr=1-2)
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Post by: Elfy on March 19, 2012, 10:23:11 PM
I never read Kehaar as stupid as such, the black headed gull proved very useful. I'm not sure what the accent was meant to be (it was bloody hard to read), but as Adams based him on a Norwegian resistance fighter from WW II, it was probably an attempt at some sort of Scandinavian accent. I wondered why the field mice spoke with exaggerated Italian accents (they may not in the film, but they certainly did in the book).
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Post by: tcsimpson on March 20, 2012, 06:43:30 AM
Elementals: Gnomes (earth), Undines (water), Sylphs (air), salamander (fire), Dryads (vegetation) and
Fauns (animal life). Of course if you go elemental that means more nymphs (there's supposedly about 13 different types) and giants.
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Post by: Elfy on March 20, 2012, 10:26:10 PM
Elementals: Gnomes (earth), Undines (water), Sylphs (air), salamander (fire), Dryads (vegetation) and
Fauns (animal life). Of course if you go elemental that means more nymphs (there's supposedly about 13 different types) and giants.
Seanan McGuire's Toby Daye series features undines and dryads, as well as a kitsune and a peri. Ce'Nedra from Eddings Belgariad and Malloreon was half dryad on her mother's side and there's a whole bunch of them in one of the books. George RR Martin has giants in his ASoIaF series, too.
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Post by: RobJHayes on March 20, 2012, 10:30:33 PM
I'd like to see more Hydras. Always wondered just how many heads they could get to.
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Post by: Francis Knight on March 21, 2012, 12:54:12 AM
Calygreyhound. Or perhaps Shenlong

I have no idea why

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Post by: Toc the Youngest on March 21, 2012, 10:08:54 AM
More succubuses!! Or is it succubi?  I like the way they suck
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Post by: Nighteyes on March 21, 2012, 10:10:28 AM
More succubuses!! Or is it succubi?  I like the way they suck

hmmmm, a theme is developing here.  People here seem to want more sexually promiscuous females and seagulls .... maybe I should write some pirate erotica!
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Post by: j9nightelf on March 21, 2012, 02:36:18 PM
hmmmm, a theme is developing here.  People here seem to want more sexually promiscuous females and seagulls .... maybe I should write some pirate erotica!

*dies laughing*
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Post by: Elfy on March 21, 2012, 10:17:26 PM
More succubuses!! Or is it succubi?  I like the way they suck

hmmmm, a theme is developing here.  People here seem to want more sexually promiscuous females and seagulls .... maybe I should write some pirate erotica!
Didn't Scott Lynch do a bit of that in Red Seas Under Red Skies?
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Post by: Nighteyes on March 21, 2012, 11:26:36 PM
More succubuses!! Or is it succubi?  I like the way they suck

hmmmm, a theme is developing here.  People here seem to want more sexually promiscuous females and seagulls .... maybe I should write some pirate erotica!
Didn't Scott Lynch do a bit of that in Red Seas Under Red Skies?

Nah that was more Carry on Pirating
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Post by: Elfy on March 22, 2012, 03:33:16 AM
More succubuses!! Or is it succubi?  I like the way they suck

hmmmm, a theme is developing here.  People here seem to want more sexually promiscuous females and seagulls .... maybe I should write some pirate erotica!
Didn't Scott Lynch do a bit of that in Red Seas Under Red Skies?

Nah that was more Carry on Pirating
Touche.
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Post by: eclipse on December 22, 2015, 07:13:09 PM
Sea races

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24524010-mermaids-and-other-mysteries-of-the-deep
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Post by: Yora on December 22, 2015, 07:16:26 PM
I think trolls could have some potential.
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Post by: eclipse on July 30, 2020, 08:24:03 AM
We recently interviewed David Tallerman and discussed with him the fact that Giants kind of disappeared from Fantasy Literature for a while. I guess, in hindsight, they are more folklore and fairytale, but still - I would have expected more of them to enter books than actually have. It seems to me that Elves and Dragons have maintained the best presence in novels so far... but what fantasy races do you think should make more appearances?

Bring back giants!
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Post by: Alex Hormann on July 30, 2020, 04:14:10 PM
We recently interviewed David Tallerman and discussed with him the fact that Giants kind of disappeared from Fantasy Literature for a while. I guess, in hindsight, they are more folklore and fairytale, but still - I would have expected more of them to enter books than actually have. It seems to me that Elves and Dragons have maintained the best presence in novels so far... but what fantasy races do you think should make more appearances?

Bring back giants!

John Gwynne has giants in Faithful and the Fallen. I believe Kevin Hearne's new series, which I've blanked on the name for, is also about giants.

It's off, because on the face of it 'large humans' don't seem particularly interesting, and yet there are a bunch of  different ways to approach them.
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Post by: Bender on July 30, 2020, 04:41:52 PM
Giants are a curious race who can be on both the good and evil sides with equal ease. Portray a good troll and it'll be called subverting the trope, but somehow Giants seem to be above those tropes. Good, evil, cunning, helpful...they are probably the most versatile race other than Humans and Dragons.
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Post by: Nighteyes on July 30, 2020, 04:47:28 PM
Maybe a Formula One race with different fantasy creatures racing for each team. Elves and Ferrari seem like a good combination.
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Post by: Neveesandeh on July 31, 2020, 10:45:00 AM
More giants. And also giant spiders, like in 'Spiderlight' I love giant spiders. And lizard people. Lizard people are great.

'Black Leopard Red Wolf' also has quite a few creatures from African folklore and uses them really well.

Dragons and elves are a bit overdone, IMO. The fae used to be a bit thin on the ground, but not anymore.
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Post by: eclipse on July 31, 2020, 11:28:38 AM
Dragons and elves are a bit overdone, IMO. The fae used to be a bit thin on the ground, but not anymore.


But people keep asking where have all the elves gone 😁
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Post by: Neveesandeh on July 31, 2020, 10:07:55 PM
Dragons and elves are a bit overdone, IMO. The fae used to be a bit thin on the ground, but not anymore.


But people keep asking where have all the elves gone 😁

Now that you mention it, they don't seem to be around like they used to. I have to say I don't much miss them. The only time I liked elves was the Silmarilion, where Tolkien revealed how awful they could be.
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Post by: Elfy on August 01, 2020, 03:01:48 AM
I quite liked the svartelves in Elizabeth Boyer’s books, largely because in behaviour they were very different from the Tolkienish elves.