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What should Nora read next?

Legion - Sanderson
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The Mote in God's Eye - Niven
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A Stranger in a Strange Land - Heinlein
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The Way of Kings - Sanderson
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Pandora's Star - Hamilton
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Re: What should Nora read next?
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2015, 01:19:24 AM »
I can't vote, I'm not into SF and only know Sanderson from the list, hehe
That's me, too and I bailed halfway through book 2 of Mistborn.
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Re: What should Nora read next?
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2015, 01:24:39 AM »
I can't vote, I'm not into SF and only know Sanderson from the list, hehe
That's me, too and I bailed halfway through book 2 of Mistborn.

Hear it from me... Mistborn 2 and 3 were massive disappointments. Give a shot at Warbreaker though! Such a good book! Saved Sanderson for me.
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Re: What should Nora read next?
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2015, 02:06:55 AM »
Well, crap, I was planning to read this series next year. Was curious when I heard it starts on a primitive world and goes all the way to industrialization.
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Re: What should Nora read next?
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2015, 02:46:54 AM »
Oh, come on. That's just two opinions. Not discounting them or anything, but you can't change your plans on what you're excited about just because people tell you it may be awful. You have to discover for yourself.
In my opinion, Mistbourne 2 was meh, except for the ending. That was awesome. He really got things down in Hero of Ages though. I haven't read any of the other books after that. I'm planning on starting that when Bands of Morning comes out in January.

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Re: What should Nora read next?
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2015, 03:02:32 AM »
I know, but it was two more opinions of disappointed people with books 2 and 3 that I just came across. Well, kinda of 3 with yours too  ::)

But I will read them next year, of course.

 
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Re: What should Nora read next?
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2015, 05:17:49 AM »
Well, crap, I was planning to read this series next year. Was curious when I heard it starts on a primitive world and goes all the way to industrialization.

Woah. Weirdest description of Mistborn I've ever read... I wouldn't start reading thinking that, it's really not the premise at all. During the three books there are no changes that go from "primitive" to "industrialized" Maybe the 4th book, Alloy of Law might give you that feeling, since it's meant to happen much later and has guns and stuff, but it's definitely not what mistborn is about.

I personally found Hero of Ages boring, I skimmed through entire chapters, disliked the endless self loathing of can't-remember-his-name-eunuch, and found it barely more tolerable than the 2nd  ???
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Re: What should Nora read next?
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2015, 04:32:23 PM »
Actually, he's right. That's what Sanderson intends this world to do. After the Wax and Wane trilogy is complete, he'll jump to a 1980s Mistbourne world, followed by a futuristic si-fi space opera type thing. So you really get to see how the world has evolved over time and how things are made possible by... Whatever they call the ability to burn metals.

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Re: What should Nora read next?
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2015, 04:42:59 PM »
Actually, he's right. That's what Sanderson intends this world to do. After the Wax and Wane trilogy is complete, he'll jump to a 1980s Mistbourne world, followed by a futuristic si-fi space opera type thing. So you really get to see how the world has evolved over time and how things are made possible by... Whatever they call the ability to burn metals.
While you're technically correct, if someone goes in to the series expecting to experience those gradual technological changes as they happen they'll be hugely disappointed.

The world itself advances, but each subseries is set at a specific technological level, and it's unlikely that any will really deal with the implications and impacts of technological progress. The technological advances happen in the centuries-long gaps between subseries, and while the new tech will change society on Scadrial it's probably going to be something we'll have to appreciate as a backdrop alone.
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Re: What should Nora read next?
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2015, 04:57:47 PM »
Thanks everyone for the clarifications! I'm actually looking forward to it more than before.

I wonder if you guys played Civilization. From what I read around Mistborn seemed to look a bit like it, with its progression.

Hm...maybe an idea to create another story.

 
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Re: What should Nora read next?
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2015, 05:24:15 PM »
Thanks everyone for the clarifications! I'm actually looking forward to it more than before.

I wonder if you guys played Civilization. From what I read around Mistborn seemed to look a bit like it, with its progression.

Hm...maybe an idea to create another story.
It's a fun discussion! :D And yeah, they're good books if you can get past the flaws - hope you like them!

Haven't played Civilization, heard the name but that's about it.  :P

Yeah it's something that is rarely explored in fantasy - the only one I can think of that touches on it is the Long Price quartet, though even there the setup is society with magic vs a society with newly develped technology rather than really getting to grips with industrialisation. Definitely something we want to write about, if we can learn how to write properly!  ::)
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Re: What should Nora read next?
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2015, 09:37:33 PM »
Thanks everyone for the clarifications! I'm actually looking forward to it more than before.

I wonder if you guys played Civilization. From what I read around Mistborn seemed to look a bit like it, with its progression.

Hm...maybe an idea to create another story.
I used to play Civ, but I didn't get anything like that from Mistborn. Gradual technological change does make sense, and we've seen this happen in series like Pratchett's Discworld and even Abercrombie's Circleworld books.
I will expand your TBR pile.

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Re: What should Nora read next?
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2015, 09:45:57 PM »
Thanks everyone for the clarifications! I'm actually looking forward to it more than before.

I wonder if you guys played Civilization. From what I read around Mistborn seemed to look a bit like it, with its progression.

Hm...maybe an idea to create another story.
I used to play Civ, but I didn't get anything like that from Mistborn. Gradual technological change does make sense, and we've seen this happen in series like Pratchett's Discworld and even Abercrombie's Circleworld books.

Same. While it might be a theme overall - I had no idea that's what Sanderson planed actually - it's not what you get from the first three books at all. It's a revolution book, more than anything.
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Re: What should Nora read next?
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2015, 10:22:54 PM »
Thanks everyone for the clarifications! I'm actually looking forward to it more than before.

I wonder if you guys played Civilization. From what I read around Mistborn seemed to look a bit like it, with its progression.

Hm...maybe an idea to create another story.
I used to play Civ, but I didn't get anything like that from Mistborn. Gradual technological change does make sense, and we've seen this happen in series like Pratchett's Discworld and even Abercrombie's Circleworld books.

Same. While it might be a theme overall - I had no idea that's what Sanderson planed actually - it's not what you get from the first three books at all. It's a revolution book, more than anything.
I got the idea from Mistborn that things had been largely static for 1,000 years when the series opened.
I will expand your TBR pile.

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Re: What should Nora read next?
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2015, 11:36:14 PM »
Thanks everyone for the clarifications! I'm actually looking forward to it more than before.

I wonder if you guys played Civilization. From what I read around Mistborn seemed to look a bit like it, with its progression.

Hm...maybe an idea to create another story.
I used to play Civ, but I didn't get anything like that from Mistborn. Gradual technological change does make sense, and we've seen this happen in series like Pratchett's Discworld and even Abercrombie's Circleworld books.

Same. While it might be a theme overall - I had no idea that's what Sanderson planed actually - it's not what you get from the first three books at all. It's a revolution book, more than anything.
I got the idea from Mistborn that things had been largely static for 1,000 years when the series opened.

Yes that was the point really, saving the empire from the undying monster who ruled it for 1000 years.
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Re: What should Nora read next?
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2015, 11:49:55 PM »
I got the idea from Mistborn that things had been largely static for 1,000 years when the series opened.
For the sake of being pedantic, that's not the case. Yes, the Lord Ruler's Final Empire had existed for 1,000 years, but it wasn't static through that period.

There are references throughout the books to changes in societal structure throughout those thousand years - the Lord Ruler had been experimenting, trying to create as stable a society as possible, for all that time - and the implication is that the current situation has only been the case for a couple of hundred years at most.

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