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Offline Lejays17

Re: Top 5 worst reading experiences of your life
« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2013, 09:27:11 AM »
Worst reading experiences of my life mostly include anything I HAD to read for High School English (the sole exception I can remember was The Left-Hand of Darkness by Ursula LeGuin, and that was because we never had to dissect it), and I can't even remember most of them now anyway  :)
I also hated the read-aloud-along classes as I was generally about 4 chapters ahead of the class at any point.


More recently, a disappointing read was The Dervish House by Ian McDonald.  It was nominated a couple of years ago for a Hugo, so I was reading the noms to make an informed decision.  Elfy says it "gets good" about 350 pages in - but I shouldn't have to wade through 3/4 of thee book before it got "good"!  (I bailed about 200 pages in, I didn't care about any of the characters, or the situation, and the only thing I felt vaguely interested in was the fairy tale of the Mellified Man).
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Offline tenlegdragon

Re: Top 5 worst reading experiences of your life
« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2013, 09:56:28 AM »
Wise Man's Fears just needed an editor. To me, Rothfuss, got a little carried away in his own powers of prose and forgot that he was telling an actual story, but I don't think the third one is the last, it's not a trilogy. RE: the Chronicler said he could only spare 3 days to get the story. Who knows, Bast could pick up the rest of the biography writing, or any other character, or the novel can shift into real time. Anything can happen. I don't think there was ever any official word saying this was a 3 book slam bam.

Well...I'm just going by the author here, but it is a trilogy - as he has said on numerous occasions. Not saying there won't be anything else set in the Four Corners, but Kvothe's story is a trilogy.

Well I don't follow his blog/twitter feed. If he said so, so be it, but with pacing like Wise Man's Fears, that book 3 will have to be a real bible of a book to get anything even near resolved.

Unless it's written up on the cover - "the X Trilogy" I expect anywhere from 3-10 books. Look at what happened to that dude with Demon Trilogy. GRRM's doing 7 or 7.5 or 8 books... Sticking "Chronicle" in the title always seems to imply more than 3 to me. But if Rothfuss says he's done with 3, then so be it.

If he does a "this was a trilogy... and this is another trilogy with the same characters/ continuing the plot from trilogy A..." smh

As long as he doesn't muck it up like the Demon Trilogy guy, np. Paolini backed out with real style though. Guy came out flat and said, "dudes, trilogy's gonna be four books, so I'mma call it a cycle." That was respectable.

Either way, my point is that I don't care if the dude takes 15 books to tell the story. He can write like a mother----
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Offline Bahl

Re: Top 5 worst reading experiences of your life
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2013, 10:08:13 AM »
He can write yes, but holy hell Kvothe is an unlike-able character. Smug bastard.
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Offline Jaedia

Re: Top 5 worst reading experiences of your life
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2013, 01:34:19 PM »
I've got to the point where I don't bother carrying on if it's that far away from what I like. Life's too short. No book is for everyone, and I'm not for every book. Best to read things I'll like -- there's plenty out there.

Here here! I have so many books, if I'm not outright enjoying a book, it goes to one side either to be swapped for something else, donated, or tried again when it fits my reading mood a little better. It's why I don't rate many books with 1 or 2 stars. I don't want to spend my reading time forcing myself through something when I could be glued to the pages with something else.

Offline Dan D Jones

Re: Top 5 worst reading experiences of your life
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2013, 03:17:35 PM »
I'm curious about all the hate for Fifty Shades of Gray, Twilight, etc.  I've read both series.  Neither was, by any stretch of the imagination, a great read.  But both of them were pretty much what I expected them to be before I'd read the first word.  Fifty Shades is Mommy porn.  Twilight is aimed at the teenage female market.  I thought both series hit their target market pretty much dead on.  Based upon their success in that target market, I think the evidence backs me up strongly. 

For me, a horrible reading experience is when I expect a book to be one thing and it turns out to be something completely different, or it tries to be what I expected it to be and does a horrible job of it.  Many years ago, I started reading the first Shannara book based on a friend's recommendation.  I read about four fifths of the book, then another book I'd ordered arrived in the mail, and I dropped Shannara and haven't picked up a single thing by Terry Brooks since.  I thought the book was horrible and had no problems dropping it mid-story.

Offline JonRock411

Re: Top 5 worst reading experiences of your life
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2013, 03:38:46 PM »
I'm curious about all the hate for Fifty Shades of Gray, Twilight, etc.  I've read both series.  Neither was, by any stretch of the imagination, a great read.  But both of them were pretty much what I expected them to be before I'd read the first word.  Fifty Shades is Mommy porn.  Twilight is aimed at the teenage female market.  I thought both series hit their target market pretty much dead on.  Based upon their success in that target market, I think the evidence backs me up strongly. 

The hate for the Fifty Shades Trilogy and Twilight are due to their depictions in the story, mostly Fifty Shades since it made BDSM into something it definitely isn't which could lead to people being hurt doing something that is actually really safe,   though the rampant misogyny in both helps the hate.


Hmmm, worst reading experiences....The last two ASOIAF books were a let down but that was expected before hand,   the Wheel Of Time books are good but they took longer for me to get into, same with Lord Of The Rings.  I can't really think of any books I actually hated after reading, outside stuff I expected to hate like Twilight, Atlas Shrugged, Fifty Shades Trilogy or other such things......hmmm.     Oh wait, Stormdancer.   I hate Stormdancer. 

Offline Jaedia

Re: Top 5 worst reading experiences of your life
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2013, 06:23:46 PM »
I'm curious about all the hate for Fifty Shades of Gray, Twilight, etc.  I've read both series.  Neither was, by any stretch of the imagination, a great read.  But both of them were pretty much what I expected them to be before I'd read the first word.  Fifty Shades is Mommy porn.  Twilight is aimed at the teenage female market.  I thought both series hit their target market pretty much dead on.  Based upon their success in that target market, I think the evidence backs me up strongly. 

The hate for the Fifty Shades Trilogy and Twilight are due to their depictions in the story, mostly Fifty Shades since it made BDSM into something it definitely isn't which could lead to people being hurt doing something that is actually really safe,   though the rampant misogyny in both helps the hate.

Well said. I honestly quite liked the first Twilight book, but 2 and 3 were meh at best, and 4 was just... wow. So bad. And that's before you consider the poor writing quality - I read a fair bit of YA paranormal romancey stuff and there is much better out there - and the message that women are no good without men, just let them take care of you, get married, and have children.

Fifty Shades I won't read. Not because I'm against erotica but because I know it will make me angry.

Both have the kind of message that makes me angry: women need a man in life. Take what he gives you and bow down to whatever pressures he puts on you. Oh I could go on for ages.. I'll walk away from this one.

Offline Sean Cunningham

Re: Top 5 worst reading experiences of your life
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2013, 06:44:32 PM »
And I stopped reading when I decided I couldn't care less about what happened next...

This is what happened to me at the end of Game of Thrones. I enjoyed the book, some scenes in it have stuck with me for years, but I've never felt the slightest interest in knowing what happens next. It puzzles me.


I'm curious about all the hate for Fifty Shades of Gray, Twilight, etc.  I've read both series.  Neither was, by any stretch of the imagination, a great read.  But both of them were pretty much what I expected them to be before I'd read the first word.  Fifty Shades is Mommy porn.  Twilight is aimed at the teenage female market.  I thought both series hit their target market pretty much dead on.  Based upon their success in that target market, I think the evidence backs me up strongly. 

I'm about with you on Twilight. I remember getting to the description of her truck near the beginning, deciding it was an amusing image and feeling comfortable with reading the rest of it. I wouldn't call it a memorable read, but I enjoyed it well enough.
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Offline Dan D Jones

Re: Top 5 worst reading experiences of your life
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2013, 07:57:39 PM »
I'm curious about all the hate for Fifty Shades of Gray, Twilight, etc.  I've read both series.  Neither was, by any stretch of the imagination, a great read.  But both of them were pretty much what I expected them to be before I'd read the first word.  Fifty Shades is Mommy porn.  Twilight is aimed at the teenage female market.  I thought both series hit their target market pretty much dead on.  Based upon their success in that target market, I think the evidence backs me up strongly. 

The hate for the Fifty Shades Trilogy and Twilight are due to their depictions in the story, mostly Fifty Shades since it made BDSM into something it definitely isn't which could lead to people being hurt doing something that is actually really safe,   though the rampant misogyny in both helps the hate.

I'm not following you on the BSDM misrepresentation.  I'm not at all sure what you believe it made BDSM out to be that it isn't.  I'll just say that the book was far from my first exposure to the subject, and while it was certainly not entirely accurate, it didn't seem horribly inaccurate to me.  The type of relationship explored there is only one of many types that are all grouped together under the label "BDSM," but it's certainly not atypical for a given subset of the scene.

I'm also a middle-class white male and undoubtedly see things from a different perspective than those who aren't, but I don't see either book as horribly misogynistic, certainly not in comparison to the typical romance novel.  Both heroines were strong in their own right and stood up for themselves.  Even taking the time of publication into account, both pale in comparison to, say, The Story of O in terms of misogyny.

I have no problem with anyone who dislikes either book.  But romance-based books tend to portray the traditional roles of men and women in romance.  It was blindingly obvious to me that the relationships were going to include a patriarchal slant before I read either book.  What puzzles me is why anyone who finds that objectionable would pick up the books in the first place. 

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Re: Top 5 worst reading experiences of your life
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2013, 08:15:52 PM »
2) somebody help me with the name, but it involved a dog made out of lightning - ridiculous in a not funny way.
Sounds a bit like the YA book "Dogsbody" by DW Jones. Which is rather good for a book with a Dog as the MC. ;)

Spoiler for Hiden:
although I thought it happened at least once - didn't blondie with the eggs stop a bunch of guys that were in the middle of gang-raping a woman who then stayed with her, but still ended up getting killed off??  Maybe I'm remembering it wrong?
Wasn't that in The Darkness That Comes Before?

Well...I'm just going by the author here, but it is a trilogy - as he has said on numerous occasions. Not saying there won't be anything else set in the Four Corners, but Kvothe's story is a trilogy.
Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide through the Galaxy is a trilogy consisting of five books. ;)

I wouldn't call it the worst reading experiences of my life, but books I didn't enjoy much (and that I can think of atm) include:
- The Darkness that comes before
- Game of Thrones
- Eragon
- books by the popular German fantasy author Wolfgang Hohlbein
- Sword of Truth

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Offline tenlegdragon

Re: Top 5 worst reading experiences of your life
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2013, 09:20:31 PM »
I'm curious about all the hate for Fifty Shades of Gray, Twilight, etc.  I've read both series.  Neither was, by any stretch of the imagination, a great read.  But both of them were pretty much what I expected them to be before I'd read the first word.  Fifty Shades is Mommy porn.  Twilight is aimed at the teenage female market.  I thought both series hit their target market pretty much dead on.  Based upon their success in that target market, I think the evidence backs me up strongly. 

The hate for the Fifty Shades Trilogy and Twilight are due to their depictions in the story, mostly Fifty Shades since it made BDSM into something it definitely isn't which could lead to people being hurt doing something that is actually really safe,   though the rampant misogyny in both helps the hate.

What made 50 horrible for me wasn't the erotica, wasn't the bdsm. Just the sentence structure. The repetitive description of this impossibly, insanely, really, really, really astoundingly, preternaturally, imposibly dangerously good-looking guy. The narrator does a good enough fly on it in the audiobook to make the poor prose less noticeable and more conversational, but it still sucks like a black hole. Okay, not black hole, a vacuum, maybe. It's like a bad fanfiction where English is not the author's native tongue, because anybody with a functional level of English should not write something like that.

And the whole bondage aspect? And the contract signing, and the educated girl falling for the pervert sympathetic bad boy. That just made it ridiculous. Either go for erotica and make it hot, or go for romance and make it good. 50 is a steaming pile of **** - unsalted. (Just watched Justified/ starting on Rectified 8)). It's probably the least erotic thing I've ever read. There are YA novels hotter than this.

Twilight is just girly, mushy, romance-tropey nonsense. Not the worst read of my life because it was well written girly mushy romance-tropey nonsense and I went into it knowing it was going to be girly, mushy, romance-tropey nonsense. Sprinkled with vampires, because.

Based on the success of 50, I realize that people don't care about prose, as long as the main character is a Zoolander. I'mma write my own self insert orgasmic fantasy and make some money meself.
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Re: Top 5 worst reading experiences of your life
« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2013, 11:06:03 PM »
I'm curious about all the hate for Fifty Shades of Gray, Twilight, etc.  I've read both series.  Neither was, by any stretch of the imagination, a great read.  But both of them were pretty much what I expected them to be before I'd read the first word.  Fifty Shades is Mommy porn.  Twilight is aimed at the teenage female market.  I thought both series hit their target market pretty much dead on.  Based upon their success in that target market, I think the evidence backs me up strongly. 

For me, a horrible reading experience is when I expect a book to be one thing and it turns out to be something completely different, or it tries to be what I expected it to be and does a horrible job of it.  Many years ago, I started reading the first Shannara book based on a friend's recommendation.  I read about four fifths of the book, then another book I'd ordered arrived in the mail, and I dropped Shannara and haven't picked up a single thing by Terry Brooks since.  I thought the book was horrible and had no problems dropping it mid-story.


Sorry, got as far as this post and *had* to jump in, I apologise if this has been covered already by someone else.

50 shades is NOT porn. It is not even ClOSE to porn. It is hideous. It glorifies abuse, rape & stalking. It doesn't empower women, it leads them to believe they can change a psychopath and excuse their abusive behaviour with the 'they had a bad childhood' excuse - sorry, tough shit doesn't wash, A) he's a gazillionaire which is forced upon the reader at least twice per page, B) therapy. Get some and shut up. C) no past abuse should excuse the scary behaviour he seems to feel he's entitled to exhibit.

Ana spends the entire trilogy fearful, walking on egg shells afraid he will beat her - which he frequently threatens and often does. He RAPES her on more than one occasion. A fact that is overlooked or even outright ignored, In the first book for example, He BREAKS into her house then RAPES her. She says no. She says it repeatedly and cries throughout he also spanks and beats her but gives her NO aftercare, simply leaves. - not appropriate Dom behaviour.  He forces her to sell her car, illegally traces her phone (it is not legal ANYWHERE to trace someone's location via gps or phone without their permission. It is very much Illegal) he buys her job, fires her boss. Manipulates her step father, continues to abuse her. He admits at one point he wants her drunk frequently as she's more obliging when drunk. Ie: she does what he wants her too without arguing so much. He overrides her concerns at all times, ignores her fears re: the contract and attempts to assume control of her entire life. - normal Dom/Sub is bedroom only. Whole life control is slave/master and E.L James did ZERO research.

Then there is the ridiculous bull that are the characters. Ana is dull, lifeless and unbelievable. She's a 20something college student without a laptop or email account. - impossible in this day & age, they REQUIRE at least one email account to register you with the classes.
She's never had a single drink. - all of a sudden she's having 5-10 glasses of wine a night & is fine with it.......she should for all intents & purposes be passed out by 5 glasses, and hung to heck the next morning, but never is. Except the first time when jose attempts to rape her outside the club. Wait sorry, he just makes a (really forceful rapist-like) pass at her. UGH.
Her Zero sexual experience, even touching herself sorry, but I call bullshit. Unless she's asexual, which isn't even considered.
The sexual inexperience is even worse when you consider the disturbing relationship she is plunged into.

That's not counting the atrocious writing, repetition, droll sex scenes and general awfulness.

I could rant about this book for weeks. It is vile, it is everything wrong in the world and there are no words to express how much I despise it.
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Offline Idlewilder

Re: Top 5 worst reading experiences of your life
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2013, 11:15:24 PM »
Nicely said Stars.

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Re: Top 5 worst reading experiences of your life
« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2013, 11:30:03 PM »
Perhaps the thread should be in general book discussions then?  It's not entitled Top 5 SFF worst reading experiences of your life, hence people discussing Dan Brown and 50 Shades.  I am fine with the discussion and found it quite interesting ... (despite the overly dramatic thread title.)

I am really not enjoying Dune at the moment, but I am also SUPER CEREAL busy right now, so could also be a factor.  But hate books driven by prophecies.  Feels like its all been decided already and our characters have no control over events.  Which kinds of makes the characters redundant. 
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Re: Top 5 worst reading experiences of your life
« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2013, 11:45:27 PM »
Actually my worst reading experience of my life was reading I am David.  Great book, but borrowed a copy from the school library and it smelled of sick.  I was violently sick myself because of the smell. :(
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