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Title: The Wheel of Time Highlights and Lowlights
Post by: Nighteyes on March 06, 2018, 09:56:38 PM
https://www.tor.com/2018/03/05/top-five-worst-moments-of-the-wheel-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-726536

I remember the bath scene being much much longer. (Like over a hundred pages long) though probably because I counted the scenes where Elayne got out of the bath to chat with other people. It was probably Aviendha dropping the soap all the time that made it last so long.

And the Mat rape scene. Just so wrong!

TBH I would have included Rand having three wives who are all totally cool with it. Very odd.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: Ryan Mueller on March 07, 2018, 02:55:53 AM
The infamous bath scene.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: ScarletBea on March 07, 2018, 08:07:58 AM
I've never read the books but I can still say "the bath scene", because you're always talking about it ;D
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: Yora on March 07, 2018, 03:58:41 PM
It's only five pages? I thought it's the whole book.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: Elfy on March 07, 2018, 08:41:30 PM
The bath just seemed to go on forever. Jordan developed a tendency to drag everything out.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: xiagan on March 07, 2018, 09:47:21 PM
Leigh Butler is awesome. Her top five best WOT moments is a great read too. :)
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: xiagan on March 07, 2018, 10:06:30 PM
It's only five pages? I thought it's the whole book.
There are 300 pages describing one day. The bath scene was just emblematic.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: JMack on March 08, 2018, 12:47:33 AM
I could only do it as a recorded book.
It would fade into the background.
I’d slam into the other cars because... hypnotism.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on March 08, 2018, 12:27:57 PM
I've a few books in the Wheel of Time series (mainly from yard sales and stuff), would anyone here recommend me to buy the other books in the story? How would people who've read it comment on the storyline, length of the series, and overall writing style?
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: xiagan on March 08, 2018, 01:14:42 PM
I've a few books in the Wheel of Time series (mainly from yard sales and stuff), would anyone here recommend me to buy the other books in the story? How would people who've read it comment on the storyline, length of the series, and overall writing style?
I love them and it's a great series. The middle books, especially Crossroads of Twilight are bad in the sense that nothing happens plotwise (or at least not much) but besides that it's awesome and I'd definitely recommend it.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: Bender on March 09, 2018, 12:04:10 PM
And the Mat rape scene. Just so wrong!

What is this?
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: Peat on March 09, 2018, 12:38:32 PM
I've a few books in the Wheel of Time series (mainly from yard sales and stuff), would anyone here recommend me to buy the other books in the story? How would people who've read it comment on the storyline, length of the series, and overall writing style?

I love Wheel of Time, but a lot of people struggle with it - some from the get-go, some in the middle of the series. The style is somewhat staid and contains a crap ton of description, which doesn't work for some. It doesn't always work for me.

But for depth of world, of storyline, of character development... it is nigh unparalleled and beaten only by Malazan (going by reputation). It is a series I'd recommend every at least try glancing through with one significant caveat and that is this -

As demonstrated by the Worst Of series, Jordan wrote about a lot of eff'ed up attitudes to gender. That really rubs some people the wrong way. Someone who's one of those people might have a better time not trying.

Personally, I've never brought the idea that these are Jordan's ideas true and unvarnished. Oh, some of the social conservatism is almost undoubtedly, but I fail to believe that a man who wrote a series where the damage done by unharmonious gender relations and the abuse of power are major themes really truly included all the eff'ed up stuff because he thought it was legit/funny. But some disagree and for some, it doesn't matter.

Anyway. Good read. The whole Perrin-Faile plotline of doom would have been a legit 1 in its own right. Imma gonna think and see if I can come up with others (I'm sure Cadsuane did something to deserve being on the list...)
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: Bender on March 09, 2018, 11:02:22 PM

But for depth of world, of storyline, of character development... it is nigh unparalleled and beaten only by Malazan (going by reputation). It is a series I'd recommend every at least try glancing through with one significant caveat and that is this -

As demonstrated by the Worst Of series, Jordan wrote about a lot of eff'ed up attitudes to gender. That really rubs some people the wrong way. Someone who's one of those people might have a better time not trying.

I've read WoT multiple times. I'd.put it a close 3rd after Malazan and Cosmere in depth of world...and I've read all 3 series full and extensively.

Yeah, the description of women as bratty kids didn't feel right to me. Not because of any gender equality syndrome, but simply because I couldn't reconcile the in tower character to out tower reputation. They we're described like kids with slippering and spanking whilst expected to be a awe inspiring Noble power outside. Doesn't really reconcile.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: Peat on March 10, 2018, 01:33:32 AM

But for depth of world, of storyline, of character development... it is nigh unparalleled and beaten only by Malazan (going by reputation). It is a series I'd recommend every at least try glancing through with one significant caveat and that is this -

As demonstrated by the Worst Of series, Jordan wrote about a lot of eff'ed up attitudes to gender. That really rubs some people the wrong way. Someone who's one of those people might have a better time not trying.

I've read WoT multiple times. I'd.put it a close 3rd after Malazan and Cosmere in depth of world...and I've read all 3 series full and extensively.

Yeah, the description of women as bratty kids didn't feel right to me. Not because of any gender equality syndrome, but simply because I couldn't reconcile the in tower character to out tower reputation. They we're described like kids with slippering and spanking whilst expected to be a awe inspiring Noble power outside. Doesn't really reconcile.

That reconciles perfectly for me. There's no shortage of real world institutions that have portrayed an inspiring noble image to the outside world while being simultaneously quite bratty kids among themselves. I like that Jordan went that route.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: xiagan on March 11, 2018, 09:58:33 PM
And the Mat rape scene. Just so wrong!

What is this?
The scene where Mat is raped by Tulin(?), Ebou Dar's Queen.
You know, rape is funny when it happens to men...
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: Peat on March 12, 2018, 03:18:06 PM
And the Mat rape scene. Just so wrong!

What is this?
The scene where Mat is raped by Tulin(?), Ebou Dar's Queen.
You know, rape is funny when it happens to men...

I think its the scene where Elayne laughs about it afterwards that really deserves the plaudits. There's a lot of talk about how fantasy's got darker and with good reason, but I can't think of too many grimdark books where one protagonist laughs at the rape of a friend...
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: Bender on March 21, 2018, 08:28:05 PM
And the Mat rape scene. Just so wrong!

What is this?
The scene where Mat is raped by Tulin(?), Ebou Dar's Queen.
You know, rape is funny when it happens to men...

That's seduction, not rape. Mat is not reluctant at all. He just has some concerns. Mats only problem was that he didn't do the chasing. No way that's rape.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Higllights and Lowlights
Post by: xiagan on March 21, 2018, 08:47:36 PM
And the Mat rape scene. Just so wrong!

What is this?
The scene where Mat is raped by Tulin(?), Ebou Dar's Queen.
You know, rape is funny when it happens to men...

That's seduction, not rape. Mat is not reluctant at all. He just has some concerns. Mats only problem was that he didn't do the chasing. No way that's rape.
He was bound, really uncomfortable in the situation and wasn't given a choice.
Don't ever try to seduce me.
Title: Re: The Wheel of Time Highlights and Lowlights
Post by: JMack on March 25, 2018, 11:19:38 PM
A good two thirds of the way listening to book 1. I’m really enjoying re-visiting WofT. Many things more things to like than I’d remembered, including foreshadowing of things that happen in later books; and which I’d experienced at the time as “Huh?!” but now see we’re planned for all along.

Meanwhile, still a number of things that don’t do it for me, including getting so many specially powered characters from one tiny village. But I guess the wheel weaves where the wheel will.  8)