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Offline Overlord

Re: The Painted Man / The Warded Man
« Reply #60 on: August 10, 2011, 03:55:12 PM »
What is the target date for the Brett interview? I was re-reading this post, then I went looking for the interview only to find that it has not been posted yet. I saw you talking about the interview in late June and thought I had missed it.

Nah, It is very, very long, about 6 pages so far, we are doing a section a fortnight, total think took about 2 months to do, waiting on last part now :)
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Re: The Painted Man / The Warded Man
« Reply #61 on: August 11, 2011, 08:44:10 AM »
Thanks for the support Pornokitsch. Now lets team up against everyone who is quoting the Daily Mail whilst discussing the London Riots on the social networks! Lol. But also overlord, Pornokitsch is right that the book has a lot of great points too.

Heh. Our powers unite!

Overlord - I'm also really looking forward to the interview. He's got interesting things to say on Twitter, and I'm glad he's being thoughtful with his responses. Should be neat stuff...

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Re: The Painted Man / The Warded Man
« Reply #62 on: August 11, 2011, 10:50:30 AM »
Thanks for the support Pornokitsch. Now lets team up against everyone who is quoting the Daily Mail whilst discussing the London Riots on the social networks! Lol. But also overlord, Pornokitsch is right that the book has a lot of great points too.

Heh. Our powers unite!

Overlord - I'm also really looking forward to the interview. He's got interesting things to say on Twitter, and I'm glad he's being thoughtful with his responses. Should be neat stuff...

Yep - the two interviews I'm going right now (Lynch & Brett) I'm really, really excited about. Both have been very open and very honest with things... kinda dying to get them online now though - lol!!!!
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Offline Minesril

Re: The Painted Man / The Warded Man
« Reply #63 on: August 13, 2011, 08:45:39 AM »
I don't think Martin is writing about a medieval society.  He's not even re-writing the War of the Roses, even if that was where his original spark came from (various families fighting for the throne).  What he is doing first and foremost is describing a world at civil war.  The atrocities he describes are all horrors of war, not a historical society.

Brett however has taken a society which exists now and has created something which is painted with the exact same brush - or rather, the picture which the Daily Mail throws at the ignorant.  He has created a muslim society which has all of the perceived 'bad' points and none of the good.

Offline Dornish First Sword

Re: The Painted Man / The Warded Man
« Reply #64 on: August 17, 2011, 08:54:49 AM »
It's rare I don't finish a book I start but I'm about a quarter of the way through the second book the desert spear and really not interested in it at all. Every character so far sucks and the story is just a bunch of scenes of stupidity trying to make out how fantastic and great the Krasians are (I think they are a pretty piss poor boring culture) they bore me to tears. It's like a really bad movie I've paid to see.. do I walk out of the theater or sit through it because I paid for a ticket.
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Offline Overlord

Re: The Painted Man / The Warded Man
« Reply #65 on: August 17, 2011, 02:19:58 PM »
It's rare I don't finish a book I start but I'm about a quarter of the way through the second book the desert spear and really not interested in it at all. Every character so far sucks and the story is just a bunch of scenes of stupidity trying to make out how fantastic and great the Krasians are (I think they are a pretty piss poor boring culture) they bore me to tears. It's like a really bad movie I've paid to see.. do I walk out of the theater or sit through it because I paid for a ticket.

It is certainly a MASSIVE change from the setting of book 1.
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Offline Dornish First Sword

Re: The Painted Man / The Warded Man
« Reply #66 on: August 18, 2011, 05:09:26 AM »
I persevered through it and I'm almost halfway through now. Things became a lot better when the settings changed back to those of the first book, that chapter about Harl and his daughter ruined the flow of the story however this whole book feels out of synch and poorly organised.
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Offline Overlord

Re: The Painted Man / The Warded Man
« Reply #67 on: August 18, 2011, 09:49:22 AM »
I persevered through it and I'm almost halfway through now. Things became a lot better when the settings changed back to those of the first book, that chapter about Harl and his daughter ruined the flow of the story however this whole book feels out of synch and poorly organised.

The thing is though, you kind of needed to see it from the other side to understand the relentlessness and see him as a worthwhile competitor for Arlen's domination of things so far. Jardir may not be the most like-able guy, but he is damned strong and he does have experience killing demons...

To make this series more than Arlen vs Demons it had to be this way - that is how I see things... Jardir at the end of book 1 just didn't make sense... I mean... how could this guy beat down our hero? It made Arlen seem merely human again and that was a bit awkward.
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« Reply #68 on: September 02, 2011, 12:05:03 PM »
I thought the Jardir sections of the second book were good - it was nice to see his perspective and put his ruthless side into context. It's a shame that his race is stereotypical, but maybe that will evolve in the next book.

The basic idea of the story is great, I like the coreling concept, but for me so far over the two books, I've not been hooked in. There are ideas with great potential but so far there are a few things holding me back.
Mainly, I can't stand Leesha as a character. I'm going to be ruthless and say it would be a great character arc if she got horribly disfigured in some way. Let's see how you deal with that, little miss perfect!

Offline Overlord

Re: The Painted Man / The Warded Man
« Reply #69 on: September 03, 2011, 09:01:48 AM »
I thought the Jardir sections of the second book were good - it was nice to see his perspective and put his ruthless side into context. It's a shame that his race is stereotypical, but maybe that will evolve in the next book.

The basic idea of the story is great, I like the coreling concept, but for me so far over the two books, I've not been hooked in. There are ideas with great potential but so far there are a few things holding me back.
Mainly, I can't stand Leesha as a character. I'm going to be ruthless and say it would be a great character arc if she got horribly disfigured in some way. Let's see how you deal with that, little miss perfect!

LOL - You are evil... poor Leesha.
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« Reply #70 on: September 03, 2011, 09:15:45 AM »
I think the other issue with Leesha, is that since being raped, she wants to open her legs to any demon slaying hero. Not really believable character motivation.   
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« Reply #71 on: January 07, 2012, 08:11:23 PM »
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« Reply #72 on: January 10, 2012, 01:58:00 PM »
I think the other issue with Leesha, is that since being raped, she wants to open her legs to any demon slaying hero. Not really believable character motivation.   

This was my biggest objection to WARDED MAN, I think.  The fact that Leesha falls into bed with Arlen days (hours?) after being raped by 3 men, is completely unbelievable.
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Re: The Painted Man / The Warded Man
« Reply #73 on: January 10, 2012, 03:52:01 PM »
I think the other issue with Leesha, is that since being raped, she wants to open her legs to any demon slaying hero. Not really believable character motivation.   

This was my biggest objection to WARDED MAN, I think.  The fact that Leesha falls into bed with Arlen days (hours?) after being raped by 3 men, is completely unbelievable.

It is not.
Think about it. Humanity on the edge of extinction. The few left on the earth are living in small and close communities, where every baby is really valuable to help a village survive a tad longer. 'Every child is wanted and welcomed there. They breed like rabbits to survive. But Leesha got raped. She recognizes the value of children but doesn't want a child conceived this way. In sleeping with Arlen, she would've been able to tell herself that it was his child she was getting, because there was no way to know when and with whom she conceived. I'm pretty sure she mentions this when we learn that she took herbs to stop a possible pregnancy and how hard she found this decision to be.
It's a different culture, living in an extreme environment.
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Re: The Painted Man / The Warded Man
« Reply #74 on: January 10, 2012, 03:58:51 PM »
It is not.
Think about it. Humanity on the edge of extinction. The few left on the earth are living in small and close communities, where every baby is really valuable to help a village survive a tad longer. 'Every child is wanted and welcomed there. They breed like rabbits to survive. But Leesha got raped. She recognizes the value of children but doesn't want a child conceived this way. In sleeping with Arlen, she would've been able to tell herself that it was his child she was getting, because there was no way to know when and with whom she conceived. I'm pretty sure she mentions this when we learn that she took herbs to stop a possible pregnancy and how hard she found this decision to be.
It's a different culture, living in an extreme environment.

I'm sure that's the rational.  Just doesn't totally wash for me.  It didn't detract from my enjoyment of the novel, but I can see why it could.
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