May 25, 2019, 02:42:26 AM

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What genre are superheroes and zombies

Fantasy
0 (0%)
Fiction
1 (16.7%)
Sci-fi
1 (16.7%)
Separate segment (i.e. Non illustrative comic)
4 (66.7%)

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Offline Bender

Superheroes and Zombies - Fantasy, Sci-Fi or neither?
« on: May 13, 2019, 11:01:42 PM »
The undead are a standard feature in fantasy novels, so are people with super powers. Though we don't call them superheroes or Zombies, we have lots of parallels and similarities between the tropes.

So do you see them as Fantasy or Fiction or Sci-fi or just plunk Comic (non-illustrative) as a separate genre?
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Re: Superheroes and Zombies - Fantasy, Sci-Fi or neither?
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2019, 06:53:13 AM »
Hard question to answer with the examples provided. Peter Clines Ex series features both. The zombies are pretty much SF, but the superheroes are a mix of SF and Fantasy. Most zombies now are scientific, but the original idea of the zombie utilised magic.
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Re: Superheroes and Zombies - Fantasy, Sci-Fi or neither?
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2019, 07:01:40 AM »
Superhéroes Def feels like it's own thing but possibly a subset is SFF kind of like PnR. At this point also I feel like they've all sort of converged into the same repeated formula too making the case for their distinction. Plus comic fans I think are a very different group than your typical SFF fans, beyond just the literacy thing.

Zombies I still rope in with the general population of SFF

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Re: Superheroes and Zombies - Fantasy, Sci-Fi or neither?
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2019, 07:54:50 AM »
I would put zombies in Horror, but superheroes outside SFF...
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Re: Superheroes and Zombies - Fantasy, Sci-Fi or neither?
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2019, 09:29:16 AM »
They are both ingredients that can be used across the SFF range and their own sub-genres which, while logically sitting under Sci-Fi and Horror respectively, kind of don't simply due to divergent fanbases. Particularly Superheroes.
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Re: Superheroes and Zombies - Fantasy, Sci-Fi or neither?
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2019, 10:08:02 AM »
Ok :)
I suppose I said 'outside' because usually superheroes books are comics, right?

I don't read either, so I don't really care, hehe
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Re: Superheroes and Zombies - Fantasy, Sci-Fi or neither?
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2019, 11:54:19 AM »
Zombies are usually mostly horror, but can be treated in a more SF way, giving an apocalyptic/post-apocalypse vibe like a natural disaster.

Superheroes are nominally SF or F or both, but kind of stand apart because they tend to have their own conventions, their own structures, and their own fanbase. Just like I guess you could say horror is nominally SF or F (or sometimes neither), or UF is nominally horror - once you get a big enough subset that doesn't overlap there's not much point considering them the same thing.

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Re: Superheroes and Zombies - Fantasy, Sci-Fi or neither?
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2019, 07:26:56 PM »
I reckon zombies can fit into just about any speculative genre. Walking Dead, Game of Thrones and The Expanse all have zombie-type creatures, but are all clearly different genres.

Superheroes are very much there own genre, in my opinion. Even though Iron Man is SF and Doctor Strange more fantasy, they stand alone

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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2019, 12:13:39 AM »
Ok :)
I suppose I said 'outside' because usually superheroes books are comics, right?

I don't read either, so I don't really care, hehe

They are, but there's some Superheroes books. There's some fantasy comics too.

I think regarding superheroes as something totally different makes sense given how the fanbases don't really like them together and the history of different mediums... I also think regarding Superheroes as part of the wider genre makes sense too.
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Re: Superheroes and Zombies - Fantasy, Sci-Fi or neither?
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2019, 07:17:55 AM »
Ok :)
I suppose I said 'outside' because usually superheroes books are comics, right?

I don't read either, so I don't really care, hehe

They are, but there's some Superheroes books. There's some fantasy comics too.

I think regarding superheroes as something totally different makes sense given how the fanbases don't really like them together and the history of different mediums... I also think regarding Superheroes as part of the wider genre makes sense too.
Yeah, have to put graphic novels in there, too. I still see the first half of Cerebus the Aardvark as a great literary achievement. Bone is also another great graphic novel that didn't have a superhero in sight, but it was a fantastic fantasy story.
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Re: Superheroes and Zombies - Fantasy, Sci-Fi or neither?
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2019, 07:31:38 AM »
Ok :)
I suppose I said 'outside' because usually superheroes books are comics, right?

I don't read either, so I don't really care, hehe

They are, but there's some Superheroes books. There's some fantasy comics too.

I think regarding superheroes as something totally different makes sense given how the fanbases don't really like them together and the history of different mediums... I also think regarding Superheroes as part of the wider genre makes sense too.
Yeah, have to put graphic novels in there, too. I still see the first half of Cerebus the Aardvark as a great literary achievement. Bone is also another great graphic novel that didn't have a superhero in sight, but it was a fantastic fantasy story.

@Elfy Did you ever read Elfquest?  There's sooooo many amazing graphic novels out there!

Superhero genre, for me, is defined by a narcissistic style of pro-protagonist myopia embedded within the narrative, an overwrought struggle that really doesn't feel like a legitimate struggle, shallow self-discovery, and male mary-sues that are given some sort of superficial flaw or weakness that isn't really a flaw.

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Re: Superheroes and Zombies - Fantasy, Sci-Fi or neither?
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2019, 02:05:34 AM »
Superhero genre, for me, is defined by a narcissistic style of pro-protagonist myopia embedded within the narrative, an overwrought struggle that really doesn't feel like a legitimate struggle, shallow self-discovery, and male mary-sues that are given some sort of superficial flaw or weakness that isn't really a flaw.

It occurs to me that I have been sharp tongued and possibly unpleasant.

I was reading Charles Bukowski last night. Maybe that was it.

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Re: Superheroes and Zombies - Fantasy, Sci-Fi or neither?
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2019, 02:08:37 AM »
No worries JR, I thought I was reading Steven Erikson  ;)
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Re: Superheroes and Zombies - Fantasy, Sci-Fi or neither?
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2019, 07:11:54 AM »
Ok :)
I suppose I said 'outside' because usually superheroes books are comics, right?

I don't read either, so I don't really care, hehe

They are, but there's some Superheroes books. There's some fantasy comics too.

I think regarding superheroes as something totally different makes sense given how the fanbases don't really like them together and the history of different mediums... I also think regarding Superheroes as part of the wider genre makes sense too.
Yeah, have to put graphic novels in there, too. I still see the first half of Cerebus the Aardvark as a great literary achievement. Bone is also another great graphic novel that didn't have a superhero in sight, but it was a fantastic fantasy story.

@Elfy Did you ever read Elfquest?  There's sooooo many amazing graphic novels out there!

Superhero genre, for me, is defined by a narcissistic style of pro-protagonist myopia embedded within the narrative, an overwrought struggle that really doesn't feel like a legitimate struggle, shallow self-discovery, and male mary-sues that are given some sort of superficial flaw or weakness that isn't really a flaw.
I never really got into Elfquest, it was hard to get down here. I did read a novelised version of it later and found it poorly written. It may have read better as a comic, though.
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Re: Superheroes and Zombies - Fantasy, Sci-Fi or neither?
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2019, 09:41:14 AM »
Superhero genre, for me, is defined by a narcissistic style of pro-protagonist myopia embedded within the narrative, an overwrought struggle that really doesn't feel like a legitimate struggle, shallow self-discovery, and male mary-sues that are given some sort of superficial flaw or weakness that isn't really a flaw.

It occurs to me that I have been sharp tongued and possibly unpleasant.

I was reading Charles Bukowski last night. Maybe that was it.


I like how you don't actually say you were wrong  :P
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