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Offline missoularedhead

Re: Stephen King
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2011, 06:02:39 PM »
In my early teens, I read a lot of Stephen King, and then his writing went in the toilet for a while…I think it was after so many bad movies were made of his books, and he started just cranking them out one after another and they stopped being even remotely original.

To this day, The Shining scares the bejezus out of me. Both the book and the movie.  And I liked The Stand…until you get to the ending.  Ugh, what is about King and his endings? Although I will disagree here and say that I thought the end of The Gunslinger series was exactly what it needed to be…

I've not read anything of his in the last several years, however. In fact, the last book I read of his was Dark Tower…has he gotten back into the groove? The book about cell phones didn't interest me at all.
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Offline Shamrock

Re: Stephen King
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2011, 06:25:42 PM »
I attempted to read Cell but did not get very far so I have no idea. I'm still working my way through his older works. The Dark Tower ending was very disappointing at first, but after I had thought about it, it was alright. I can't imagine a different ending being better.
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Offline The Mad Hatter

Another Stephen King Comment
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2011, 11:20:07 PM »

To understand a Stephen King book, you have to understand how Stephen King writes.

Stephen King doesn't PLOT.

Most writers plot to some extent. They'll have notes like, Volcanic eruption occurs at start of chapter 10. Stephen King doesn't do this. He turns his characters loose, and asks them where they are going.

Now there's nothing wrong with this. In fact letting your plot over-ride your character is a sure fire way to leave your reader wondering why they bothered to read your book. But having no plot at all can do the same thing, unless you are one hell of a writer.

Stephen King is one hell of a writer. Even when he was bombed out of his skull he was still turning out better work than 90% of his contemporaries. Which doesn't mean that I can read most of his stuff. Quite frankly I can't. Most of his fiction turns me off. His non-fiction though, it's some of the best advice on writing that I've ever read.

But the lack of a plot also explains why his endings tend to be weak. Because really, they aren't endings. You can't have an ending, without a plot.

Wayne aka The Mad Hatter

Offline pornokitsch

Re: Another Stephen King Comment
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2011, 08:58:00 AM »
To understand a Stephen King book, you have to understand how Stephen King writes.

Stephen King doesn't PLOT.

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Offline Funky Scarecrow

Re: Stephen King
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2011, 09:24:58 AM »
For me, King works best when he has constraints; whether they're length related, such as when he decides to write a novella or a short story, or whether they're time related, such as The Green Mile.

It's interesting but of all my favourite King works, very few of them are at the fatter end of novel length and four of them are novellas. 'Salem's Lot, The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon, Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redmeption, Sun Dog, The Body, The Gunslinger, The Mist, The Regulators and It. I've chosen not to count The Talisman and Black House, two novels I love, since they were co-authored by Peter Straub and there's no real way of telling who wrote what. Apart from Speedy Parker. That's very obviously King. Stevie loves a Magical negro. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_negro)
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Offline pornokitsch

Re: Stephen King
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2011, 10:01:58 AM »
Shawshank, The Body and The Mist are three of my favorites as well. I also think The Long Walk, Rage and Apt Pupil are waaaaaay up there. I didn't realize until recently that Rage is no longer included in the Bachman Books, which is a shame.

Offline Lyz

Re: Stephen King
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2011, 02:44:04 PM »
For me, King works best when he has constraints; whether they're length related, such as when he decides to write a novella or a short story, or whether they're time related, such as The Green Mile.

It's interesting but of all my favourite King works, very few of them are at the fatter end of novel length and four of them are novellas. 'Salem's Lot, The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon, Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redmeption, Sun Dog, The Body, The Gunslinger, The Mist, The Regulators and It. I've chosen not to count The Talisman and Black House, two novels I love, since they were co-authored by Peter Straub and there's no real way of telling who wrote what. Apart from Speedy Parker. That's very obviously King. Stevie loves a Magical negro. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_negro)

The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon is another one of my favorites.

All-time favorite short story has to be The Raft. I have no idea why... But I think it's a bloody fantastic (or bloody, fantastic, if you prefer) story. :D
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Re: Stephen King
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2011, 02:51:07 PM »
In his defence though the ending of pet semetary was perfect. (But he wrote the worst Sandman introduction)
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Offline pornokitsch

Re: Stephen King
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2011, 04:15:53 PM »
All-time favorite short story has to be The Raft. I have no idea why... But I think it's a bloody fantastic (or bloody, fantastic, if you prefer) story. :D

Did you see the movie? It terrified me as a kid. Having goo eat someone during a sex scene is a terrible thing to do to an adolescent viewer.

Offline Mark Lawrence

Re: Another Stephen King Comment
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2011, 11:46:59 PM »

To understand a Stephen King book, you have to understand how Stephen King writes.

Stephen King doesn't PLOT.

Most writers plot to some extent. They'll have notes like, Volcanic eruption occurs at start of chapter 10. Stephen King doesn't do this. He turns his characters loose, and asks them where they are going.

Well that's interesting. I've read 'on writing' but either didn't pick that factoid up or have forgotten it. It interests me because in recent interviews I've been saying the exact same thing about my own writing. In fact here's a cut & paste from the interview I did for this site:

I find that if you have a sufficiently compelling character they will gather a story around them as they go. You just need to give them a little push to set them going and then to try to keep up as things unfurl. Generally, as I wrote the first word of any given chapter I had no idea what would happen in the next page.

Offline Shamrock

Re: Stephen King
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2011, 07:51:49 AM »
Just finished The Shining and I really enjoyed it. One of the few times I haven't been able to put a King book down. Anyone else read it? I thought it was really good but I'm glad Kubrick didn't follow the same story line.
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Offline pornokitsch

Re: Stephen King
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2011, 01:10:05 PM »
Just finished The Shining and I really enjoyed it. One of the few times I haven't been able to put a King book down. Anyone else read it? I thought it was really good but I'm glad Kubrick didn't follow the same story line.

I totally agree. Both book and film are great, but I'm glad they're not mirror images.

Offline betsdavies

Re: Stephen King
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2011, 02:12:37 AM »
King was good early on before his drug addiction took hold.  His books dwell a little too much on torture carnage for me.  I love carnage, don't get me wrong, but if he killed one more dog I could just vomit.  I did recently finish Carrie, however, and since I am a vampire lover intend to at some point move on to Salem's Lot.

Offline Lyz

Re: Stephen King
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2011, 03:37:54 PM »
All-time favorite short story has to be The Raft. I have no idea why... But I think it's a bloody fantastic (or bloody, fantastic, if you prefer) story. :D

Did you see the movie? It terrified me as a kid. Having goo eat someone during a sex scene is a terrible thing to do to an adolescent viewer.

WOAH WOAH WOAH. BACK UP.

There's a MOVIE? HOW did I not KNOW this?! D:

But yeah; that happened in the story, too. Still, one of my favorite stories by him. I think I read that for the first time when I was about 14.

I also really enjoyed The Long Walk and Gerald's Game; I've read some of his newer stuff (Duma Key and Cell) but I just don't find it as spooky as his older stuff.
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Offline betsdavies

Re: Stephen King
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2011, 09:05:23 PM »
Thank God someone else noticed his dog death obsession.  It really got to me after a while.  I like select King.  Some of it--I think the stoned era--I felt like he was masturbating torture all over the page.  Loved "The Body".  Misery of course kick ass.  I also love the fact that while I loved The Shining, Kubrick made the movie his own thing.  His tight, bizarre, terrifying movie worked on it's own.  But I still want to know what all that stuff in the furnace room said.  It drives me nuts.  Meaning I would be possessed, I suppose. 

King's style is uneven.  Even within the same book.  At one moment, he will bring forth a beautiful image.  Then you may slog through several awkward paragraphs.

For all he loves his characters, I also do feel sometimes his dialogue is somewhat stiff. 

So when he is good he is--well I guess good and awful are the same thing with him.

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