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Offline lyrastern

So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?
« on: March 08, 2011, 12:04:21 AM »
I've got to say it felt like I had read about three books, by the time I got to the end I'd nearly forgotten what happened at the begining. Amazing though, absoloutely loved it. I'm half tempted to start all over again, too soon?

Offline Dornish First Sword

Re: So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2011, 03:18:48 AM »
I finished it recently as well, fantastic book. Huge yes but very economical word use there's no point where it slips into the habit of over description of wordiness that isn't needed. The entire story has a very realised natural flow to it, you can easily see that the wait was worth it. What did you find most interesting about the story? Any theories on what will come in the future?
"Still, it may have been a blessing. He would have grown up to be a Frey" - Wyman Manderly

Offline Rhevian

Re: So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2011, 08:35:24 AM »
I finished it last night. I have no idea where the story will go next, although I like the suggestion that it starts getting darker. I was planning on giving it 4* but upped that to 5* after the chapter about the Cthaeh and Bast's reaction. I was also worried at one moment that the Chronicler might turn out to be Ambrose, but that soon passed.

Offline lyrastern

Re: So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2011, 02:13:26 PM »
I'm interested to see where Bast fits in to it all and why he has such a vested interest in everything. Denna too, she must have a pivotal role in the rest of the story or there wouldn't be such mystery surrounding her habits.
Rothfuss is always very careful not to give too much away, which is frustrating as who knows how long we will have to wait for the next one. Another 4 years?
The main hints that I picked up on were about Princess Ariel and the start of the war he caused. But with Rothfuss who knows?

Offline Dornish First Sword

Re: So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2011, 03:55:10 PM »
Bast certainly does raise some interesting questions as to his motives and methods. There are quite a few other mysteries and tidbits that I would love to know more about. Skarpi for one Kvothe seems to have a much closer relationship to him at one point, he was the one who helped Chronicler find him after all.
 The mystery box in Kvothes room intrigues me to no end. I think there might be more to Chronicler than appears as well, if you take his name Devan Lochees .. the last name sounds like it could be derived from Lackless perhaps ? I'm clutching at straws of course but there could be a connection somewhere there.
 
"Still, it may have been a blessing. He would have grown up to be a Frey" - Wyman Manderly

Offline Noona

Re: So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2011, 08:14:03 PM »
I just finished it, I think I've been remarkably restrained! I got it on Wednesday last week and, if I hadn't rationed it out, could have read it until I fell asleep and then read it some more when I woke up until there was no more :P I thought I'd make it last as long as I could though given that there won't be another one for a few years.


I have some suspicions about Denna but I won't say anything in case I'm wrong :P

I had an idea last night that it might be like, the first book is Kvothe growing up, the second book is his rise and the third his downfall. I have no idea where I've gotten that from though, it reminds me of a formula for something, like Greek Tragedy, but I happen to know that that isn't the formula for Greek Tragedy, so I'm not sure!

The thing that seriously amazes me though is that, given the writing style, I would happily read a book called "Kvothe does the housework" or "Kvothe sits and chats with his friends for 500 pages."
I could certainly read about Elodin forever but I think I'd die laughing within about 20 pages :P
« Last Edit: March 08, 2011, 08:19:06 PM by Noona »

Offline Rhevian

Re: So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2011, 09:09:52 PM »
There's a suggestion in book one (ch8) that Kvothe's mother was a noblewoman who ran away to join the Ruh. Lady Meluan's long-lost sister maybe?

Offline Bryndled1

Re: So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2011, 06:25:40 PM »
There's a suggestion in book one (ch8) that Kvothe's mother was a noblewoman who ran away to join the Ruh. Lady Meluan's long-lost sister maybe?

Spoiler for Hiden:
This part makes me Particularly insane. When introduced to Meluan Lackless he dwells on her seeming familiarity. in "The Name of the wind" When Kvothe is a young boy, he sings a song that he heard in town called "The Lady Lackless" and it makes his mother angry. He knows that his mother ran away from nobility to join his father's troupe. Meluan repeatedly states how she HATES the Edema Ruh for stealing her sister away. Mr. Rothfuss practically beats us over the head with the fact that meluan is his aunt, yet our very brilliant, clever, talented Kvothe never picks up on it, and neither does bast, or chronicler. I mean ....really...



Offline Dornish First Sword

Re: So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2011, 05:46:31 AM »
So I've been thinking a little on things and the focus on Names in the books got me thinking Mr Rothfuss is far to good of a writer and absorbed in the tale himself for the names of characters to not bear a significance. With this in mind and the fact that names having a meaning is almost spelled out to us with Kvothe taking the name Kote,
Spoiler for Hiden:
the saying told to him after the fire in fishery by Master Kilvin is "Chan Vaen edan Kote" expect disaster every seven years.

Denna changes her name for everyone it seems except Kvothe is intriguing, lets look closer at the name it bears a big resemblance to another word in the story "denner" which is the highly addictive euphoria inducing drug. The effects of it seem to have a more than passing resemblance to the way in which Denna effects the mood and actions of Kvothe.

After a little bit of research on some other names in the books I found that Hemme is Norwegian for bar and not the kind you drink at but bar as in hamper or inhibit, exactly what Master Hemme seeks to do to Kvothe at the University.
Could Kilvin be a reference to kelvin the measure of temperature used in science?
Mandrag may also be a shortened version of mandragora which is the root of the Mandrake a plant often associated with magical properties and alchemy.
"Still, it may have been a blessing. He would have grown up to be a Frey" - Wyman Manderly

Offline spiceweasel

Re: So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2011, 04:11:58 PM »
This part makes me Particularly insane. When introduced to Meluan Lackless he dwells on her seeming familiarity. in "The Name of the wind" When Kvothe is a young boy, he sings a song that he heard in town called "The Lady Lackless" and it makes his mother angry. He knows that his mother ran away from nobility to join his father's troupe. Meluan repeatedly states how she HATES the Edema Ruh for stealing her sister away. Mr. Rothfuss practically beats us over the head with the fact that meluan is his aunt, yet our very brilliant, clever, talented Kvothe never picks up on it, and neither does bast, or chronicler. I mean ....really...

:o Say what now?!?!?!?

I cannot believe that I didn't see that AT ALL. When you say it like that it is pretty darn obvious but I honestly didn't put those clues together *looks for shame-faced smilie.....*

As this thread is called "So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?", I'm assuming it's okay to drop spoilers, but here's a quick SPOILERS FOLLOW warning just in case.

Given that my powers of observation are apparently not exactly Holmesian, this may be either stupidly obvious or completely wrong, but are we thinking that Denna's patron is a Chandrian? Not Haliax or Cinder because they have distinctive visual features that Denna would notice, but one of the others. He's extremely elusive and secretive, and Rothfuss has taken pains to ensure Kvothe hasn't met him (he could be one of the ones around the campfire at Kvothe's caravan massacre). The song Denna is told to make paints Lanre/Haliax in a positive light, contrary the truth that Kvothe discovers, so is this some vanity on Haliax's part, or maybe part of a larger plan?

BTW how awesome is the writing in the Felurian section? The page or so of rhyming dialogue when they are discussing the Moon and the worlds of the Fae and Humans is just breath-taking. Rothfuss deosn't justify the new speech patterns, or even mark it's beginning, but it's such a perfect fit for the otherwordly setting and the fairy tale story. It's just technical showboating really, and I hate him just a little bit for the ease with he displays it.

Dornish - good observations about the Names. The Denna/Denner comparison is perfect.

Noona - I agree about the quality of the writing making the content irrelevant, and I also agree that Elodin rocks hard. I love the scene where he sets fire to Hemme's clothes. I love that you're screaming at Kvothe to be careful as soon as Elodin asks to get in the door, and I love the way he ends the scene with Elodin saying something along the lines of "I'm allowed to be here, what's your excuse?".

Hmmmm, this is quite a long first post, and borderline rambling, so I'll finish here but I'll be back. Oh yes.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2011, 04:45:37 PM by spiceweasel »

Offline Dornish First Sword

Re: So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2011, 04:19:14 PM »
Further info on the names apparently Fela is a Polish word that means lucky, another rather fitting name i thought, and also Deoch is apparently Irish for drink, a fitting name for a barkeeper.
"Still, it may have been a blessing. He would have grown up to be a Frey" - Wyman Manderly

Offline spiceweasel

Re: So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2011, 04:47:13 PM »
Further info on the names apparently Fela is a Polish word that means lucky, another rather fitting name i thought, and also Deoch is apparently Irish for drink, a fitting name for a barkeeper.

Kvothe mentions that when he first meets Deoch. Interesting about Fela though.

Cinder's a great name as well for a man who loves burning things.

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Re: So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2011, 01:40:25 AM »

I am looking for the three things a wise man fears in the book

The sea in storm
A night with no moon
and
The anger of a gentle man

The sea in storm is Devi's alar

What were the other two?

Offline Overlord

Re: So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2011, 07:12:56 AM »
A night with no moon - This is the Fae World...
The anger of a gentle man - Perhaps Tempi but it could be the Maer depending on how you define 'gentle'
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Offline spiceweasel

Re: So who has finished Wise Man's Fear?
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2011, 09:30:21 AM »
Why does it have to be all three in the same book?

The saying first appears in relation to Master Lorren when he discovers Kvothe took a candle in to the Archives in TNotW. He is the gentle man.

The actual sea in storm section in Wise Man's Fear is barely more than an aside, and though I see your point about Devi I think Wise Men don't fear metaphors.

I think the title refers to the moonless night which Felurian suggests is a very bad thing, and I personally think will play a big part in the third book.