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Re: Shadows of Self
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2015, 03:05:33 PM »
I'm not that keen on reading this second (?) Mistborn trilogy, as apparently it's set in a 'fake' 19th century America?
A period/location that doesn't attract me at all...
Mmh sort of. It's as much a fake 19th century America as the original trilogy is a fake medieval Europe - especially in terms of technological advances and that kind of thing. I'm not a big fan of the period either, but actually thought the world was one of the better parts of Alloy of Law.

It's really more like a fake 19th century London -- there's a *very* brief start in a pseudo-"wild west" and the rest takes place in and around a city with scenes ranging from high society parties to warehouses and train yards. 

Sherlock Holmes would fit right in, except he wouldn't leave anything for Sanderson's protagonist to do.

If only the words "Urban Fantasy" hadn't already been claimed for something else, we could come up with a sub-genre for this...

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Re: Shadows of Self
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2015, 03:10:42 PM »
I'm not that keen on reading this second (?) Mistborn trilogy, as apparently it's set in a 'fake' 19th century America?
A period/location that doesn't attract me at all...
Mmh sort of. It's as much a fake 19th century America as the original trilogy is a fake medieval Europe - especially in terms of technological advances and that kind of thing. I'm not a big fan of the period either, but actually thought the world was one of the better parts of Alloy of Law.

It's really more like a fake 19th century London -- there's a *very* brief start in a pseudo-"wild west" and the rest takes place in and around a city with scenes ranging from high society parties to warehouses and train yards. 

Sherlock Holmes would fit right in, except he wouldn't leave anything for Sanderson's protagonist to do.
See, you know how to sell this book to me ;)
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Re: Shadows of Self
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2015, 05:50:21 PM »
Aha, Sanderson has explained the release dates (here):
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The newest Mistborn book, Shadows of Self, is out. (In hardcover, ebook, and audio in the US and Canada; in the UK the ebook and audiobook come out on Thursday the 8th, but the hardcover there comes out on the 15th to coincide with my UK visit starting the next day.)

Makes sense, I guess!

He also posted a (sort of) summary:
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It’s like if Clint Eastwood had magical gunslinging powers, and starred in a 1910s New York City version of CSI—along with his sidekick, Simon Pegg playing a barely-reformed, lecherous pickpocket with the ability to freeze time. Including cameos from the original Mistborn trilogy sprinkled through.
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Re: Shadows of Self
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2015, 06:33:55 PM »
He also posted a (sort of) summary:
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It’s like if Clint Eastwood had magical gunslinging powers, and starred in a 1910s New York City version of CSI—along with his sidekick, Simon Pegg playing a barely-reformed, lecherous pickpocket with the ability to freeze time. Including cameos from the original Mistborn trilogy sprinkled through.
This... nope :-\
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Re: Shadows of Self
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2015, 06:41:38 PM »
He also posted a (sort of) summary:
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It’s like if Clint Eastwood had magical gunslinging powers, and starred in a 1910s New York City version of CSI—along with his sidekick, Simon Pegg playing a barely-reformed, lecherous pickpocket with the ability to freeze time. Including cameos from the original Mistborn trilogy sprinkled through.
This... nope :-\
Yeah. I remember him also describing the first Mistborn book as inspired by heist stories, so I'd take it with a liberal pinch of salt!  :P
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Re: Shadows of Self
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2015, 06:47:25 PM »
Ah, so who to believe? The author or Clint? ;)

(heist? heist? really? was he describing Locke Lamora? hehe)
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Re: Shadows of Self
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2015, 08:03:43 PM »
Ah, so who to believe? The author or Clint? ;)

(heist? heist? really? was he describing Locke Lamora? hehe)

I think Clint's recap sounds more like the first book than Sanderson's. 

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Re: Shadows of Self
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2015, 10:50:58 AM »
I'm not that keen on reading this second (?) Mistborn trilogy, as apparently it's set in a 'fake' 19th century America?
A period/location that doesn't attract me at all...

I like the sound of it and his plans for moving even further into the future of that world, because I have enough epic fantasy series' that stay infinitely in some sort of feudal medieval/early modern world that never moves on. It sounds like a fun idea to me and something different.

I'm still waiting for him to announce 'Mistborn: The Final Frontier', a Science-Fiction with evolved allomancy and feuromancy magic-systems would be awesome B)
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Re: Shadows of Self
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2015, 12:46:19 PM »
I'm not that keen on reading this second (?) Mistborn trilogy, as apparently it's set in a 'fake' 19th century America?
A period/location that doesn't attract me at all...

I like the sound of it and his plans for moving even further into the future of that world, because I have enough epic fantasy series' that stay infinitely in some sort of feudal medieval/early modern world that never moves on. It sounds like a fun idea to me and something different.

I'm still waiting for him to announce 'Mistborn: The Final Frontier', a Science-Fiction with evolved allomancy and feuromancy magic-systems would be awesome B)
He already kinda has - after the Wax and Wayne trilogy there'll be a 1980's tech trilogy, and then after that there will be a space travel trilogy. He's already written a cosmere novella that includes space travellers - thought to be from Scadrial (Mistborn planet) - though it's from the perspective of the natives. Stormlight is also rumoured to have some form of interstellar travel later on, though that'll probably be teleportation rather than physical spaceships.
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Re: Shadows of Self
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2015, 12:54:04 PM »
He already kinda has - after the Wax and Wayne trilogy there'll be a 1980's tech trilogy, and then after that there will be a space travel trilogy. He's already written a cosmere novella that includes space travellers - thought to be from Scadrial (Mistborn planet) - though it's from the perspective of the natives. Stormlight is also rumoured to have some form of interstellar travel later on, though that'll probably be teleportation Allomantic Surgebinding powered by BioChromatic Breath rather than physical spaceships.

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Re: Shadows of Self
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2015, 01:12:20 PM »
He already kinda has - after the Wax and Wayne trilogy there'll be a 1980's tech trilogy, and then after that there will be a space travel trilogy. He's already written a cosmere novella that includes space travellers - thought to be from Scadrial (Mistborn planet) - though it's from the perspective of the natives. Stormlight is also rumoured to have some form of interstellar travel later on, though that'll probably be teleportation Allomantic Surgebinding powered by BioChromatic Breath rather than physical spaceships.

Fixed that for you!  :D
Thanks, those technical terms go straight over my head.
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Offline ClintACK

Re: Shadows of Self
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2015, 07:50:48 PM »
Ah, so who to believe? The author or Clint? ;)

The only thing I disagree with in his description is the Clint Eastwood bit -- Clint Eastwood *never* played a vigilante lawman who had a butler and a chemical lab in his study.  He's more Bruce Wayne than Clint Eastwood.


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(heist? heist? really? was he describing Locke Lamora? hehe)

Heh.  The heist thing you can see if you squint -- it's the way he had Kelsier putting together a heist crew to start a revolution (or did he have more complicated plans?).

It's there in the structure -- but the driving emotions are completely different than in a heist.  Mistborn is an epic fantasy combined with urchin-passing-among-nobility and a dash of coming of age with a romantic subplot.  The heist bits just give the structure of the team and the way Kelsier makes plans.

I bet it would come off more as a heist story if we saw the whole thing through Kelsier's eyes instead of Vin's.

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Re: Shadows of Self
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2015, 09:56:33 PM »
Heh.  The heist thing you can see if you squint -- it's the way he had Kelsier putting together a heist crew to start a revolution (or did he have more complicated plans?).

It's there in the structure -- but the driving emotions are completely different than in a heist.  Mistborn is an epic fantasy combined with urchin-passing-among-nobility and a dash of coming of age with a romantic subplot.  The heist bits just give the structure of the team and the way Kelsier makes plans.

I bet it would come off more as a heist story if we saw the whole thing through Kelsier's eyes instead of Vin's.


I agree about the squinting. It's there. It does remind me of Ocean's Eleven or the Italian Job where the characters go through their plans and are discussing how to go about their task. That kind of thing.

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Re: Shadows of Self
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2015, 03:00:07 AM »
don't mind me.  just getting shadows of self signed...

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Re: Shadows of Self
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2015, 03:18:00 AM »
don't mind me.  just getting shadows of self signed...

https://instagram.com/p/8mWSY8E7gP/

Ooh.  When is Stormlight 3 coming out?

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