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Offline Dan D Jones

Re: Sex
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2011, 07:06:34 PM »
This is largely driven by publishers.  For an eye-opening look at the rigidness of the industry, listen to this podcast:

http://www.writingshow.com/podcasts/2008/04202008.html

Podcast has some explicit language.

I suspect that the advent of self-publishing will do a lot to break down these walls.

Offline AnneLyle

Re: Sex
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2011, 07:27:22 PM »
The most common, basic fear of all when it comes to consensual sex: that somehow, in some bizarre fashion, you're doing it wrong and as soon as you write about it in graphic detail, everyone reading your story will know how appallingly bad at it you must be, or else how unspeakably depraved you actually are.

I wonder which category I fall into? *evil chuckle*

Seriously, though - the graphic anatomical details can just be ick/bathetic (and no, that's not a typo - look it up!) if not done well. A light touch with the precoital shenanigans tends to be much easier to make sexy than the really steamy stuff, IMHO.


Considering the all male, cross species nature of the Fellowship and old J.R.R.'s natural reticence on such matters, that would have been the most hilarious thing ever committed to paper. I'm now imagining the scene in both the quaint, bucolic prose of the hobbit sections and the epic, saga-esque prose of the Aragorn sections. Each is equally hilarious in its own way. "Onwards the Three Hunters!" indeed.

Makes great slash fodder, though ;)
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Offline Dornish First Sword

Re: Sex
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2011, 08:11:07 PM »
A hobbit orgy on the way to mordor has the makings of a bizzaro story. I wonder what else glows if its unsheathed around orcs.
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Offline AnneLyle

Re: Sex
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2011, 08:13:05 PM »
The orcses had better not - Sam will kill them:

http://www.ealasaid.com/misc/vsd/
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Offline Elisa Nuckle

Re: Sex
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2011, 11:10:57 PM »
I think it depends. A Game of Thrones has some graphic leading-to-sex moments, but really no sex, now that I think about it. Anne McCaffrey did though. I remember being a little shocked by that because it wasn't common. Why isn't it more common, anyway? It's just sex. :D

Offline Francis Knight

Re: Sex
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2011, 11:30:26 PM »
Having written a graphic sex scene or two (because I though as I writer I should be able to write a sex scene that was not giggle/barf inducing. A writing exercise I then sold, though it remains the story I'm least happy with for various reasons. However the sex was part of the character/relationship development and so pretty vital) I can say it was a lot harder to write than, say, someone getting their hand chopped off etc.

Partly because I knew my Mum would want to read it....

But just because it's harder, doesn't mean we shouldn't write it. I doubt I'll ever be that graphic again. My love scenes tend to be more 'sensual' than 'Bloody hell! Avert your eyes dear.' Mainly because I don't I'm likely to wrote a story where it's necessary. But then I don't think I'll ever write a story where the graphic ins and outs of a rape scene is necessary. I've got a story out on sub at the moment that is actually partially about ritual abuse etc (it was inspired by various real life abduction cases) and I didn't need to do more than allude to it. Mainly, I suppose, because if I don't want to read it, I'm pretty certain no one else does either...and also because as someone said up thread, it's way creepier when your own mind fills in the blanks - because the reader's mind will fill in what is most horrific to them. If you spell it out, what the writer considers horrific may not strike the same chord.

And yes, it's just sex. Something I suspect most of us are quite fond of - and of course it's one of the big three motivators IRL(Death/fear of death, sex/love and power/money). It's a fair part of a lot of people's lives, and possibly the one of the biggest causes of interpersonal conflict IRL. Leaving that out seems like leaving out a huge part of a person, not to mention a wasted opportunity! IMO yadda yadda.


I shoudl stop thinking so much. It makes my brain hurt lol.


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Offline Elisa Nuckle

Re: Sex
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2011, 11:58:49 PM »
Well I more so meant that sex is real, it's a part of our lives, why are we acting like it's some gross thing? I mean, adults have sex, these are adult books, so what's the deal? You know? I agree with you though.

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Re: Sex
« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2011, 02:19:48 AM »
Well I more so meant that sex is real, it's a part of our lives, why are we acting like it's some gross thing?

Sex is a part of my life and it's pretty gross. I'm quite unattractive.   ;D

Offline Elisa Nuckle

Re: Sex
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2011, 07:04:03 AM »
Sex is a part of my life and it's pretty gross. I'm quite unattractive.   ;D

Haha, I can pretty much say the same for me, honestly. I'm 50 pounds overweight.  :o

Offline AnneLyle

Re: Sex
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2011, 07:14:49 AM »
TMI, boys and girls! Besides, Reubens wouldn't agree...

As I've said, I think less is more, on the whole. I don't need to see the minute details of a torture (yes, I'm looking at you, Scott Lynch) to be appalled by the torturer's actions, I don't need to see all the anatomical details of a sex scene in order to understand how these characters feel about one another.

It's perfectly possible to write a sex scene that's neither fade-to-black nor erotica - but if there are few examples in the genre, how are new writers going to learn what's possible and/or acceptable?
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Offline pornokitsch

Re: Sex
« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2011, 08:18:23 AM »
TMI, boys and girls! Besides, Reubens wouldn't agree...

As I've said, I think less is more, on the whole. I don't need to see the minute details of a torture (yes, I'm looking at you, Scott Lynch) to be appalled by the torturer's actions, I don't need to see all the anatomical details of a sex scene in order to understand how these characters feel about one another.

It's perfectly possible to write a sex scene that's neither fade-to-black nor erotica - but if there are few examples in the genre, how are new writers going to learn what's possible and/or acceptable?

I must've linked this three or four times now, but I really rate Sophia McDougall's blog posts about writing sex scenes. (Appropriately, we're about to publish a very steamy short story from her, too. She practices what she preaches.)

Offline AnneLyle

Re: Sex
« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2011, 09:20:40 AM »
I shall have to read those - met Sophia at Eastercon, she's lovely!
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Offline Overlord

Re: Sex
« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2011, 10:11:46 AM »
TMI, boys and girls! Besides, Reubens wouldn't agree...

As I've said, I think less is more, on the whole. I don't need to see the minute details of a torture (yes, I'm looking at you, Scott Lynch) to be appalled by the torturer's actions, I don't need to see all the anatomical details of a sex scene in order to understand how these characters feel about one another.

It's perfectly possible to write a sex scene that's neither fade-to-black nor erotica - but if there are few examples in the genre, how are new writers going to learn what's possible and/or acceptable?

I must've linked this three or four times now, but I really rate Sophia McDougall's blog posts about writing sex scenes. (Appropriately, we're about to publish a very steamy short story from her, too. She practices what she preaches.)

I can't wait to meet you in real life and find out what you actually do!!!

Great blog article and perhaps the best title for a blog post ever:
'Let’s write about sex, baby!'
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Offline Francis Knight

Re: Sex
« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2011, 11:09:24 AM »
Nice link - I always find it helps to approach an issue with humour

Speaking of which, I have just realised that the excerpt I am intending to read on Saturday has people doing naughty things in a completely consensual and unexplicit (if a tad Romancy) way.

Oh bugger
You didn't think of that, did you Julia? No, I did not. Maybe I shall skip that para.....

See you have to think about these things too. lol.

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Offline AnneLyle

Re: Sex
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2011, 11:18:38 AM »
Heh. I shall now tell everyone I see, so that they come along to watch you blush...
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