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Sanderson's Hoid
« on: September 25, 2011, 09:26:21 AM »
Hoid (also known as Wanderer) is a mysterious man who appears in several Brandon Sanderson books. The only series he doesn't appear in is the Wheel Of Time series, as it was originally started by Robert Jordan. He has appeared as the King's Wit in The Stormlight archive, as an informant/beggar in the Mistborn trilogy, and as a storyteller in Warbreaker. He always seems to know more about the world than anyone else, and is the only character to appear in more than one series. He is not one of the Shards of Adonalsium, the gods present over every seperate continuity (bearing in mind that all but the Wheel of Time and Alcatraz are set in the same universe). Hoid does appear to have advanced knowledge of Adonalsium, and it is speculated that he was present at the shattering of Adonalsium into the sixteen Shards. He also exhibits the ability to travel between the worlds of the cosmere, appearing in every book by Brandon Sanderson, excluding the Alcatraz series and the Wheel of Time. Obviously, he also is not in Firstborn--a novella set in space.

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Re: Sanderson's Hoid
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2011, 09:27:15 AM »
thought I would start a topic about the mysterious Hoid... copied and pasted above. Just how big of a role do we think he will play in the overall Mistborn and Stormlight series?
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Re: Sanderson's Hoid
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2011, 10:03:03 AM »
thought I would start a topic about the mysterious Hoid... copied and pasted above. Just how big of a role do we think he will play in the overall Mistborn and Stormlight series?

He's in the Death Gate Cycle as Zifnab as well.

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Re: Sanderson's Hoid
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2011, 10:07:43 AM »
Also found this:

Hoid apparently died in the beginning of a book called "Liar of Partinel", the first book of Dragonsteel, a novel written by Sanderson that has never been published. Which makes you think that would be the last book in the chronologically. Except that it's not. It's actually one of the earliest books. So either Hoid died and came alive again with the ability to planet hop, or Hoid simply can't die.

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Hoid did die in that book, but his servant took on his name and planet-hopping powers in tribute to his master. So the Hoid that has appeared in the published books is the second person to bear that name.

The Big Book of Hoid which will cover all of this has the working title, Hoid, believe it or not, and Sanderson is planning to write it no sooner than a decade from now, maybe later than that. Dragonsteel, which will be a seven-volume series, is apparently scheduled for after the ten-volume Way of Kings is completed.

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He apparently died in the beginning of a book called "Liar of Partinel", the first book of Dragonsteel, a novel written by Sanderson that has never been published. Which makes you think that would be the last book in the chronologically. Except that it's not. It's actually one of the earliest books. So either Hoid died and came alive again with the ability to planet hop, or Hoid simply can't die.
I think Sanderson mentioned this somewhere else:

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Hoid did die in that book, but his servant took on his name and planet-hopping powers in tribute to his master. So the Hoid that has appeared in the published books is the second person to bear that name.

The Big Book of Hoid which will cover all of this has the working title, Hoid, believe it or not, and Sanderson is planning to write it no sooner than a decade from now, maybe later than that. Dragonsteel, which will be a seven-volume series, is apparently scheduled for after the ten-volume Way of Kings is completed.
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Re: Sanderson's Hoid
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2011, 10:08:25 AM »
thought I would start a topic about the mysterious Hoid... copied and pasted above. Just how big of a role do we think he will play in the overall Mistborn and Stormlight series?

He's in the Death Gate Cycle as Zifnab as well.

And in Farseer as 'The Fool' ;)
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Re: Sanderson's Hoid
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2011, 11:11:33 AM »
SPOILER: Richard Rahl.

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Re: Sanderson's Hoid
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2011, 03:29:11 PM »
The most interesting thing is that usually his parts seem small, but play a much larger roll in the grand scheme of the cosmere. In Elantris he is given a simple task but we never see the outcome of its exploits. I assume that will come about in the second Elantris book.

I think the best resource for knowledge on Hoid is in "The Letter" which is broken up in the chapter headings of the way of kings.

Also there is an annotation - here - http://brandonsanderson.com/annotation/290/Mistborn-3-Chapter-Twenty-Seven - about his short appearance in the third mistborn book, the hero of ages. It does contain spoilers so i wouldn't advise that anyone read it unless they have read all the mistborn trilogy.

I'm anxious to see what part, if any, he will play in the second trilogy of mistborn, the allow of law.
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Re: Sanderson's Hoid
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2011, 06:36:47 PM »
I must be missing something, because I don't recall "Hoid" at all. I've read most of Sanderson's books (with the exception of The Way of Kings and the Alcatraz books) and I don't really remember this guy. I suppose he has made brief appearances? And where did you guys get the name from?

He always seems to know more about the world than anyone else, and is the only character to appear in more than one series. He is not one of the Shards of Adonalsium, the gods present over every seperate continuity (bearing in mind that all but the Wheel of Time and Alcatraz are set in the same universe).
Hmmm... I really must be missing something, because I have no idea about any of that. The Shards of Adonalsium? What is that? And are all of Sanderson's books really set in the same universe?

Why do I not know any of this? I'm pretty sure my eyes were open for the whole ride...
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Re: Sanderson's Hoid
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2011, 06:40:29 PM »
I'm anxious to see what part, if any, he will play in the second trilogy of mistborn, the allow of law.

Just thought I'd point out that The Allow of Law is not, in fact, the start of the second trilogy. It is a sort of unplanned novel that grew out of a writing exercise. I believe it is meant to be taken as a stand-alone (though, of course, it is connected to the overall world of Mistborn.
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Re: Sanderson's Hoid
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2011, 07:34:52 PM »
I must be missing something, because I don't recall "Hoid" at all. I've read most of Sanderson's books (with the exception of The Way of Kings and the Alcatraz books) and I don't really remember this guy. I suppose he has made brief appearances? And where did you guys get the name from?

He always seems to know more about the world than anyone else, and is the only character to appear in more than one series. He is not one of the Shards of Adonalsium, the gods present over every seperate continuity (bearing in mind that all but the Wheel of Time and Alcatraz are set in the same universe).
Hmmm... I really must be missing something, because I have no idea about any of that. The Shards of Adonalsium? What is that? And are all of Sanderson's books really set in the same universe?

Why do I not know any of this? I'm pretty sure my eyes were open for the whole ride...

Sanderson has written about 20+ books... however he has only published a small amount of them. Therefore as it stands we only have snapshots of Hoid. Sanderson is a member of a writers bookclub and his beta readers from time to time reveal bits and pieces on his forum ;)
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Re: Sanderson's Hoid
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2011, 08:02:00 PM »
I'm anxious to see what part, if any, he will play in the second trilogy of mistborn, the allow of law.

Just thought I'd point out that The Allow of Law is not, in fact, the start of the second trilogy. It is a sort of unplanned novel that grew out of a writing exercise. I believe it is meant to be taken as a stand-alone (though, of course, it is connected to the overall world of Mistborn.

As I understand it, there are to be 9 books in total set in the world of Scadriel, that is the world where the mistborn trilogy takes place in Sanderson's cosmere. Sanderson has said there will be 9 books making for three trilogies. The first trilogy was set in the ancient age, the second starting with AoL is to be set in a more modern industrial age and the third is said to take place in a type of scifi age.
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Re: Sanderson's Hoid
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2011, 08:10:01 PM »
I must be missing something, because I don't recall "Hoid" at all. I've read most of Sanderson's books (with the exception of The Way of Kings and the Alcatraz books) and I don't really remember this guy. I suppose he has made brief appearances? And where did you guys get the name from?

He always seems to know more about the world than anyone else, and is the only character to appear in more than one series. He is not one of the Shards of Adonalsium, the gods present over every seperate continuity (bearing in mind that all but the Wheel of Time and Alcatraz are set in the same universe).
Hmmm... I really must be missing something, because I have no idea about any of that. The Shards of Adonalsium? What is that? And are all of Sanderson's books really set in the same universe?

Why do I not know any of this? I'm pretty sure my eyes were open for the whole ride...

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The Shards of Adonalsium are parts of creation its self. They are represenations of actions or ideals. Ruin and Preservation, from the Mistborn trilogy were both Shards of Adonalsium. In the way of kings the Almighty was a man called Tanavast who wielded the shard of honour. You should check out the sites Stormblessed and 17th Shard. They are both great sites, and reveal a lot about brandons cosmere.
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Re: Sanderson's Hoid
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2011, 08:13:24 PM »
Yes, I love the idea of this connection - the cosmere. I didn't spot Hoid in some books, in fact: I had to reread. It looks like the Stormlike Archive should reveal a fair bit more, though, as we've already heard a lot about Shard-Xs and Shard-Ys in the first book alone ;)

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Re: Sanderson's Hoid
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2011, 08:36:35 AM »
Yes, I love the idea of this connection - the cosmere. I didn't spot Hoid in some books, in fact: I had to reread. It looks like the Stormlike Archive should reveal a fair bit more, though, as we've already heard a lot about Shard-Xs and Shard-Ys in the first book alone ;)

Certainly seems that Stormlight is Sanderson's 'Wheel of Time' - i.e. the piece he is going to put most work into and make his name with. He always said Mistborn was a big of a tester and way to get into the market... So would make sense that Stormlight will reveal the most. I guess everything will get tied up in the 'Book of Hoid' or whatever... wish I'd known about that project when I interviewed him... haha.
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Re: Sanderson's Hoid
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2011, 09:39:32 AM »
Honestly I didn't even pick up on him till this thread. I noticed the wit of Way of Kings, though I was more intrigued by the parallels with the fool from Robin Hobb, and didn't even notice him in Mistborn. Its a great idea though that all his worlds are in the same universe and sets things up nicely for a space opera trilogy later.
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