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Title: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Geekory on August 06, 2014, 06:25:16 PM
I'm looking for something to read with a good group dynamic and ideally from the perspective of at least two people in the group. Group of outlaws, mercenaries or anything really.

The only thing I can recall reading is Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy and Steelheart. But both are more single character focus for majority of the story. LotR I guess also would qualify.

Non-book example would be Firefly or Guardian of the Galaxy.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: AzWingsFan on August 07, 2014, 03:08:17 AM
Best Served Cold by Joe Abercrombie somewhat fits
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Doctor_Chill on August 07, 2014, 04:07:47 AM
Strong group dynamic?

Well, there's Half a King by Joe Abercrombie.

The Whirlwind in the Thorn Tree by S. A. Hunt.

The Lies of Locke Lamora by Scott Lynch.

Incarceron by Catherine Fischer.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Titus on August 07, 2014, 12:48:52 PM
Wheel of Time - hands down.

The group dynamic and how it changes throughout the series is what I loved so much about it!
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Post by: Jaedia on August 10, 2014, 12:00:35 AM
Traitor's Blade by Sebastien de Castell. I absolutely adore the group dynamic in this book and I'm desperate to read more like it. (Maybe I should get off my butt and read Lock Lamora, not like I don't own all three or anything..)
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Nighteyes on August 10, 2014, 12:22:26 AM
Locke Lamora is a great suggestion.  Also the Dragonlance books had a fun group dynamic to them.  Try Dragons of Autumn Twilight.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Geekory on August 11, 2014, 02:25:12 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions. Can't believe I forgot about The Lies of Locke Lamora as it's one of my favorites.

I been meaning to read Joe Abercrombie, Wheel of Time and Dragonlance. They just got moved closer to the top of the pile.

I haven't heard of Traitor's Blade, The Whirlwind in the Thorn Tree or Incarceron. I will look them up.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Dornish First Sword on August 12, 2014, 10:18:47 AM
I found the Aeons Gate series by Sam Sykes had a really interesting group dynamic, they are a very disparate group but the writing of them together was well done, and the stand out of the series I would say.
 
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Idlewilder on August 12, 2014, 10:27:15 AM
Malazan has got dozens of group dynamics. Book One - Gardens of the Moon, has the Bridgeburners (a legendary military unit) and the Phoenix Inn Regulars.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: G_R_Matthews on August 12, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
Michael Sullivans - Riyria books with Royce and Hadrian might be a good place to begin.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Arry on August 12, 2014, 10:51:15 AM
Some really good recommendations here. Traitors Blade was really fun, but only one perspective. One I haven't seen mentioned:

Retribution Falls (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6285903-retribution-falls?from_search=true) by Chris Wooding would be an excellent choice. Really great group dynamics with the crew of the Ketty Jay
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Post by: xiagan on August 12, 2014, 09:46:33 PM
Some really good recommendations here. Traitors Blade was really fun, but only one perspective. One I haven't seen mentioned:

Retribution Falls (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6285903-retribution-falls?from_search=true) by Chris Wooding would be an excellent choice. Really great group dynamics with the crew of the Ketty Jay
second this! No idea why I didn't think of it before. :)
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Davis Ashura on August 13, 2014, 11:48:30 AM
I would definitely second Michael Sullivan's Ryria Chronicles and Retribution Falls. I would also suggest Rachel Aaron's Eli Moonpress series.
Title: Re: Re: AW: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Stars Cascade on August 15, 2014, 12:36:43 PM
Some really good recommendations here. Traitors Blade was really fun, but only one perspective. One I haven't seen mentioned:

Retribution Falls (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6285903-retribution-falls?from_search=true) by Chris Wooding would be an excellent choice. Really great group dynamics with the crew of the Ketty Jay
second this! No idea why I didn't think of it before. :)
Thirding. Adore that series a ridiculous amount. :)
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Geekory on August 19, 2014, 01:28:40 AM
Alright, you don't have to tell me four times. Bought Retribution Falls and going to read it once I finish my current book.

Others added to my to-read pile. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Brother of the Sixth Order on August 19, 2014, 07:04:22 PM
The Mistborn trilogy is a great series with a group dynamic,
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Luke Matthews on August 29, 2014, 12:30:18 AM
The First Law books by Joe Abercrombie have a great group dynamic. You see the story from multiple perspective and the group continually splits and reforms and shifts throughout the trilogy.

I'll throw my hat into the ring of recommendations for Scott Lynch's Gentlemen Bastards series. The books do follow the primary protagonist for the most part, but you do get to see things from other characters' points of view as well.

Although not fantasy, I'd also recommend the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series.
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Post by: eclipse on September 12, 2020, 11:18:13 AM
Some really good recommendations here. Traitors Blade was really fun, but only one perspective. One I haven't seen mentioned:

Retribution Falls (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6285903-retribution-falls?from_search=true) by Chris Wooding would be an excellent choice. Really great group dynamics with the crew of the Ketty Jay
second this! No idea why I didn't think of it before. :)
Thirding. Adore that series a ridiculous amount. :)

Forthing
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Elfy on September 12, 2020, 02:21:02 PM
Considering that this thread was started over 6 years ago I’m hoping that the OP found what they were looking for. On the chance that they didn’t or that of course others are looking for books with this, I’ll throw a couple in the ring for consideration. The Band series by Nicholas Eames, 2 books so far (Kings of the Wyld and Bloody Rose) and Jon Hollins’ Dragon Lords series. Some of the Dresden Files do it too, as the books now have a cast of thousands for Harry to bounce off.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Bender on September 12, 2020, 02:32:52 PM
Paternus, Orconomics and Even Book of Ancestors (Gray and Holy Sister at least) have good team dynamics.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: cupiscent on September 13, 2020, 12:22:00 AM
I'm rewatching Leverage right now, and thinking a lot as I go about the great strengths in group dynamics that are exhibited in that show - not just the synergy of the whole team, but each character having relationships with the others that are nuanced and developed and shifting. A great group dynamic requires a lot of space to really do proper justice to.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on September 13, 2020, 04:47:23 AM
Definitely the first book of the Gentlemen Bastards for sure, but after that it's more like a duo thing.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Elfy on September 13, 2020, 05:37:25 AM
They're pretty old and not all that well regarded these days, but most of the Eddings' books had this, as did Terry Brooks' The Sword of Shannara for all of it's LotR similarities. Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman's Dragonlance books were also the band of adventurers up against a dark power type thing.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Bender on September 14, 2020, 12:41:09 PM
I'm rewatching Leverage right now, and thinking a lot as I go about the great strengths in group dynamics that are exhibited in that show - not just the synergy of the whole team, but each character having relationships with the others that are nuanced and developed and shifting. A great group dynamic requires a lot of space to really do proper justice to.

That's a great show. It was a phase, Leverage, Burn Notice, White Collar, Psych.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on September 15, 2020, 04:11:44 AM
I'm rewatching Leverage right now, and thinking a lot as I go about the great strengths in group dynamics that are exhibited in that show - not just the synergy of the whole team, but each character having relationships with the others that are nuanced and developed and shifting. A great group dynamic requires a lot of space to really do proper justice to.

That's a great show. It was a phase, Leverage, Burn Notice, White Collar, Psych.

I used to watch Leverage, White Collar, and Psych. Leverage is definitely my favorite, though.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Elfy on September 15, 2020, 05:40:14 AM
I'm rewatching Leverage right now, and thinking a lot as I go about the great strengths in group dynamics that are exhibited in that show - not just the synergy of the whole team, but each character having relationships with the others that are nuanced and developed and shifting. A great group dynamic requires a lot of space to really do proper justice to.

That's a great show. It was a phase, Leverage, Burn Notice, White Collar, Psych.

I used to watch Leverage, White Collar, and Psych. Leverage is definitely my favorite, though.
Burn Notice was my favourite of those. Next to Leverage it came the closest to having a genuine group dynamic. Pysch and White Collar were more duo type situations.  Whereas in Burn Notice Michael had a number of people he could and did work with closely. As an aside to Inky, if you like Dresden, then you'd probably enjoy Burn Notice, no magic, but lots of P.I type shenanigans.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: cupiscent on September 15, 2020, 06:03:26 AM
Burn Notice was my favourite of those. Next to Leverage it came the closest to having a genuine group dynamic. Pysch and White Collar were more duo type situations.  Whereas in Burn Notice Michael had a number of people he could and did work with closely. As an aside to Inky, if you like Dresden, then you'd probably enjoy Burn Notice, no magic, but lots of P.I type shenanigans.

Now, I love Burn Notice, I found it hilariously good fun and I have loved Gabriel Anwar since The Three Musketeers. But I don't think it was a group dynamic. Lots of characters had relationships with Michael, but their relationships with each other weren't so developed. (Then again, I think I only watched two series of it, so perhaps I missed later development!) Whereas Leverage develops the relationships of all characters with all others, and looks at how shifts or pressures on one impact the whole group.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Peat on September 15, 2020, 02:03:21 PM
White Collar is pretty awesome, but I agree it's not a group dynamic. And I like cupiscent's point about group dynamics at their purest requiring every member of the group having their own dynamic with every other member. To use an example...

They're pretty old and not all that well regarded these days, but most of the Eddings' books had this, as did Terry Brooks' The Sword of Shannara for all of it's LotR similarities. Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman's Dragonlance books were also the band of adventurers up against a dark power type thing.

In the Belgariad, what Silk thinks of Hettar and what Hettar thinks of Mandorallen just doesn't really matter. They're there for their relationship with Garion. Sword of Shannara is in a similar position.

But what Dragonlance does well is that everyone has a different relationship with Raistlin. Everyone has a different relationship with Tanis, everyone with Sturm... the group feels alive. I don't have a lot of time for that series but I do admire what they did there.

And I'm trying to think of something more modern that did that an am coming up short a little. I guess Kings of the Wyld, but I don't think it really runs as far as it could for want of space. I suspect if I kept up with Jen Williams' series, I'd have a good example.



My only personal choice would be some of the Discworlds - Pratchett did it rather well with the Witches, and even better with the City Watch.
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: cupiscent on September 16, 2020, 12:57:59 AM
My only personal choice would be some of the Discworlds - Pratchett did it rather well with the Witches, and even better with the City Watch.

I think this is a great example, yes, especially in the later Watch books, where Vimes is still a focus, but there are lots of relationships/character arcs going on without him at the centre. I'm thinking specifically of Cherry, Angua and Carrot - Cherry and Carrot as "dwarves", Cherry and Angua as women, Angua and Carrot as a romantic relationship, and none of it directly related to Vimes. (Though Colon and Nobby never quite fit into that group dynamic, they're always sort of their own little bubble.)
Title: Re: Recommend book with group dynamic
Post by: Peat on September 16, 2020, 01:24:27 AM
My only personal choice would be some of the Discworlds - Pratchett did it rather well with the Witches, and even better with the City Watch.

I think this is a great example, yes, especially in the later Watch books, where Vimes is still a focus, but there are lots of relationships/character arcs going on without him at the centre. I'm thinking specifically of Cherry, Angua and Carrot - Cherry and Carrot as "dwarves", Cherry and Angua as women, Angua and Carrot as a romantic relationship, and none of it directly related to Vimes. (Though Colon and Nobby never quite fit into that group dynamic, they're always sort of their own little bubble.)

Yasss.

Although even with Carrot and Angua - iirc sometimes you'll see her suggest something but Vimes wouldn't do it, so Carrot wouldn't; and I think there's other times where their relationship with Vimes bleeds through (particularly since Carrot and Angua personify elements of Vimes personality - Carrot his sense of duty, Angua his cynicism).

It even filters down to the minor characters - nobody is Visit's best friend, but he gets on Reg Shoe's nerves most. And even with Colon and Nobbs - there's a sort of friendship between Nobbs and Angua. Colon's closer with Carrot, who at least fits his idea of what an officer should be like.

I almost want to draw a diagram now.

Btw, have I ever shown you the feminist critiques of Pratchett's character development?