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Re: New Jim Butcher Epic / Steampunk / Sci-Fi Series on way...
« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2015, 06:12:29 AM »
Well, I enjoyed it plenty. It's not among Butcher's best, but I certainly breezed through it nice and easy.

That said, between this, Furies of Calderon and the early Dresden books, I get the feeling Jim Butcher struggles with starting his series. Those early books are good but not exactly outstanding, especially compared to the later ones. I suspect this series will probably start hitting the usual Butcher high points at around Book 3 or 4.
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Re: New Jim Butcher Epic / Steampunk / Sci-Fi Series on way...
« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2015, 04:35:17 PM »
I'll take Butcher at his worst over a lot of authors at their best.

I do wonder if it takes him a while to get the right feel for a series. I didn't love the Dresden Files until the third book, though I did love Codex Alera right from the beginning. In this one, the first half of the book was admittedly a little weaker than what I expected, but Butcher more than made up for it in the second half.

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Re: New Jim Butcher Epic / Steampunk / Sci-Fi Series on way...
« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2015, 05:14:13 PM »
I'm about a third of the way through, enjoying it but can see why people wanted more depth. For me it's pretty as per Alera - good fun but lacking depth. One thing that has really bugged me so far is that every single time a new character is introduced, there's a big blocky paragraph giving their physical description. Cannot parse it, therefore I don't really have a sense of the characters until they get some significant page-time.
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« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2015, 05:17:27 PM »
Is this aimed at YA? there's a big blocky paragraph giving their physical description that to to me feels like it aimed at YA, I was really looking forward to this now I don't think I even bother with it
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Re: New Jim Butcher Epic / Steampunk / Sci-Fi Series on way...
« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2015, 05:29:11 PM »
Is this aimed at YA? there's a big blocky paragraph giving their physical description that to to me feels like it aimed at YA, I was really looking forward to this now I don't think I even bother with it
Is Alera YA? Are Sanderson's Cosmere books? The writing in this reminds me of them quite a lot. I wouldn't have said any of them are YA, but it's possible since the prose is fairly accessible...

Those description paragraphs are the only aspect that has really bugged me, which is why they stand out so much.  :-\
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« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2015, 05:36:29 PM »
ah I don't mind YA as long as the stories are good but  big blocky paragraph would put me right off
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« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2015, 05:46:11 PM »
ah I don't mind YA as long as the stories are good but  big blocky paragraph would put me right off
Yeah I get what you mean, but since it's only when introducing new characters it's not that common. Worth checking out the preview on Amazon at least. ;)
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Re: New Jim Butcher Epic / Steampunk / Sci-Fi Series on way...
« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2015, 05:52:26 AM »
ah I don't mind YA as long as the stories are good but  big blocky paragraph would put me right off

Personally did not bug me that much. It certainly isn't a book with too steep a learning curve, he does take his time introducing concepts and characters.
What bugged me was the cartoonish quality of some of these characters, and other sections of text that suffered from time dilation (the rushing enemy 2m away that takes two pages and a 10 min discussion and last words to reach you sort of dilations) - but it alls reads well and is worth checking out, despite its length.
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Re: New Jim Butcher Epic / Steampunk / Sci-Fi Series on way...
« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2015, 03:39:09 AM »
Finished this a few days ago, and it was good. Lots of fun. It's pretty shallow, yeah, but not in a bad way. I mean this is clearly not Malazan or ASoIaF or anything like that. The humor is a little too dry for my taste but nothing unbearable.
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Re: New Jim Butcher Epic / Steampunk / Sci-Fi Series on way...
« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2015, 02:35:27 AM »
The ending of this was pretty good I thought. Definitely on a similar level to Codex, so while I wasn't disappointed I also wasn't blown away. It's no Ketty Jay!  :P
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Re: New Jim Butcher Epic / Steampunk / Sci-Fi Series on way...
« Reply #55 on: December 22, 2015, 05:59:52 AM »
The ending of this was pretty good I thought. Definitely on a similar level to Codex, so while I wasn't disappointed I also wasn't blown away. It's no Ketty Jay!  :P

I think I'd put it on par with the first Ketty Jay book (and maybe even the second). The third Ketty Jay book, however, was one of the best books I've ever read. I wouldn't be surprised if the fourth tops it.

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« Reply #56 on: December 22, 2015, 01:20:57 PM »
The ending of this was pretty good I thought. Definitely on a similar level to Codex, so while I wasn't disappointed I also wasn't blown away. It's no Ketty Jay!  :P

I think I'd put it on par with the first Ketty Jay book (and maybe even the second). The third Ketty Jay book, however, was one of the best books I've ever read. I wouldn't be surprised if the fourth tops it.
Yeah that's probably fair, hopefully Cinder Spires will show similar improvement. If Alera is anything to go by it'll improve a bit, but I doubt it'll be quite as good as KJ - can't see the characters becoming as memorable for some reason.
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« Reply #57 on: December 22, 2015, 02:00:20 PM »
I don't get how you guys tolerate such things. If a book lets me down, or is not too good, a bit boring, a bit too poorly done, ect, I just don't pick up boo two! If I do pick book two and it ends up being hardly less of a mediocre book, I'm not giving a damn chance to a third book.
Currently, after two books that felt "meh", I have not a single Butcher book in my tbr pile for months to come. Can't give the man another shot atm.
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« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2015, 02:55:13 PM »
I don't get how you guys tolerate such things. If a book lets me down, or is not too good, a bit boring, a bit too poorly done, ect, I just don't pick up boo two! If I do pick book two and it ends up being hardly less of a mediocre book, I'm not giving a damn chance to a third book.
Currently, after two books that felt "meh", I have not a single Butcher book in my tbr pile for months to come. Can't give the man another shot atm.
Not sure what it is we're supposedly tolerating - if you enjoyed the experience of reading a book, wouldn't you be interested in picking up the sequels? If I only continued series that began with flawless books then I would never read a thing.  :-\
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Re: New Jim Butcher Epic / Steampunk / Sci-Fi Series on way...
« Reply #59 on: December 22, 2015, 08:29:41 PM »
I don't get how you guys tolerate such things. If a book lets me down, or is not too good, a bit boring, a bit too poorly done, ect, I just don't pick up boo two! If I do pick book two and it ends up being hardly less of a mediocre book, I'm not giving a damn chance to a third book.
Currently, after two books that felt "meh", I have not a single Butcher book in my tbr pile for months to come. Can't give the man another shot atm.
I love the Dresden Files, Nora, and I'm one of the few that liked them from Storm Front. I was very 'meh' on The Aeronaut's Windlass. I found it a chore to read, and I'm unless I hear that book 2 improves markedly I'd be unlikely to continue with the series and confine myself to only the Dresden Files by Butcher.
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