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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2015, 03:38:59 PM »
I read it and I didn't really like it. It seemed to be awkwardly stuck between an YA and a Adult novel. Sometimes it was really kiddy but others times people were dying a lot. I'm a huge fan of the Dresden Files but I found this novel to be sub par. I really hope he concentrates on the writing more Dresden books.
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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2015, 04:55:04 PM »
I read it and I didn't really like it. It seemed to be awkwardly stuck between an YA and a Adult novel.

Believe it or not, that's supposed to be a thing now.  They're calling it "New Adult".

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Sometimes it was really kiddy but others times people were dying a lot. I'm a huge fan of the Dresden Files but I found this novel to be sub par. I really hope he concentrates on the writing more Dresden books.

Haven't read this one yet, but I think he's said he needs to alternate Dresden books with something else, like a palate cleanser.    He's definitely not going to start slacking on the Dresden Books.   ??? Is he?  :o

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Re: New Jim Butcher Epic / Steampunk / Sci-Fi Series on way...
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2015, 11:38:58 PM »
Dresden starts off kind of rough for a few people but once you get to book four or so he really finds his stride.  Butcher actually recommends starting with book seven which seems a bit odd to me, there are things that happen in the first few that do come up again in later ones.

What do you mean by rough? Because my issue wasn't with roughness so much as the over use of exasperating UF tropes, like an MC who's a loner because he's never successful with women, but all the storie's over-similarly-described babes all try to get a piece of him... That was annoying.
His magic system was also unexplained and unlimited, which annoyed me and annoyed me against Brandon Sanderson as well, as he's probably the reason why I can't appreciate vague magic anymore.
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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2015, 11:50:15 PM »
Dresden starts off kind of rough for a few people but once you get to book four or so he really finds his stride.  Butcher actually recommends starting with book seven which seems a bit odd to me, there are things that happen in the first few that do come up again in later ones.

What do you mean by rough? Because my issue wasn't with roughness so much as the over use of exasperating UF tropes, like an MC who's a loner because he's never successful with women, but all the storie's over-similarly-described babes all try to get a piece of him... That was annoying.
His magic system was also unexplained and unlimited, which annoyed me and annoyed me against Brandon Sanderson as well, as he's probably the reason why I can't appreciate vague magic anymore.

The writing gets substantially better.  And more mature.  In book three (Grave Peril), he's in a serious relationship, he has a best friend who is married with kids, and we have a much better sense of what he can and can't do with magic.

But he's always going to be a Star-Wars-quoting wiseass with a tendency to notice women... and throw his duster into puddles for them to walk on... and do stupid things to protect them...

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2015, 11:52:45 PM »
Mmmh.. Maybe I'll do as suggested then, and get into book 4 or so and give it a shot. The Audiobook was definitely cool, the narrator is awesome.
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2015, 05:23:42 AM »
Mmmh.. Maybe I'll do as suggested then, and get into book 4 or so and give it a shot. The Audiobook was definitely cool, the narrator is awesome.
I'm not really an audiobook person, but how could any book narrated by Spike fail to be awesome?
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2015, 05:55:01 PM »
Dresden starts off kind of rough for a few people but once you get to book four or so he really finds his stride.  Butcher actually recommends starting with book seven which seems a bit odd to me, there are things that happen in the first few that do come up again in later ones.

What do you mean by rough? Because my issue wasn't with roughness so much as the over use of exasperating UF tropes, like an MC who's a loner because he's never successful with women, but all the storie's over-similarly-described babes all try to get a piece of him... That was annoying.
His magic system was also unexplained and unlimited, which annoyed me and annoyed me against Brandon Sanderson as well, as he's probably the reason why I can't appreciate vague magic anymore.

Clint pretty much covered it but I felt like in the first couple books he's trying to figure out Dresden and the world where later it comes together a lot better. 

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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2015, 11:50:12 PM »
Dresden starts off kind of rough for a few people but once you get to book four or so he really finds his stride.  Butcher actually recommends starting with book seven which seems a bit odd to me, there are things that happen in the first few that do come up again in later ones.

What do you mean by rough? Because my issue wasn't with roughness so much as the over use of exasperating UF tropes, like an MC who's a loner because he's never successful with women, but all the storie's over-similarly-described babes all try to get a piece of him... That was annoying.
His magic system was also unexplained and unlimited, which annoyed me and annoyed me against Brandon Sanderson as well, as he's probably the reason why I can't appreciate vague magic anymore.

Clint pretty much covered it but I felt like in the first couple books he's trying to figure out Dresden and the world where later it comes together a lot better.
I'm one of the few who was hooked on Dresden from Storm Front, but if anyone has read Side Jobs, the short story collection, you can really see the evolution of Harry as a character and Butcher as a writer through the stories in it.
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2015, 12:47:06 AM »
I've only read the first 5 or so of Drseden and enjoyed every one.
I think I'm not very discerning.   ???
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2015, 03:16:06 AM »
I've only read the first 5 or so of Drseden and enjoyed every one.
I think I'm not very discerning.   ???
I must be the same.
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Re: New Jim Butcher Epic / Steampunk / Sci-Fi Series on way...
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2015, 03:56:20 AM »
Just finished the book, here are my thoughts on it :

Butcher really has some bad habits with repeating words that I'm surprised pass his editors, but overall the style was enjoyable enough, the pace was relentless, going from a nice "little adventures in the spire, yay" vibe to all out multi-layered plot with super villain attacks.
It was a fun read, and some characters where really nice to follow, like Grim.
Action scene were good as well overall, if one can forget 2 entire pages of internal deliberation and dialogue in a team that was already swarmed by monsters and were supposed to be under their constant onslaught... You know, the 10min discussion occurring in the 3 second gap before damocles hits sort of trope.

I'll be curious enough to read the second book, but I feel rather un-invested in the characters, emotionally unconcerned. He never gripped me like some other authors can.
None died, alright, but they also survived odds a bit too highly staked against them. The villains were a bit cliched (especially Mme Cavendish. I mean, just the name is a cliche) and a bit too skilled to give a lot of room for the heroes to act instead of constantly following and reacting.

It was hard to put down and a fast read but nothing that'll haunt my dreams from now on, and I'm not looking after a second tome of that like after a second Vicious or The Long Way.
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« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2015, 07:42:44 AM »
Just finished the book, here are my thoughts on it :

.............................. if one can forget 2 entire pages of internal deliberation and dialogue in a team that was already swarmed by monsters and were supposed to be under their constant onslaught... You know, the 10min discussion occurring in the 3 second gap before damocles hits sort of trope.

............................ I feel rather un-invested in the characters, emotionally unconcerned. He never gripped me like some other authors can.

I agree with both Nora's comments and am struggling to finish this and very disappointed, as am great fan of Dresden. The characters in particular seem so flat and having a stereotypical Georgette Heyer aristocratic rebellious tomboy heroine annoyed me at start.  The men are so boring I can hardly remember who belongs where except for Grim and the only interesting characters are the cats.

I am completely dis uninterested in how an airship works or what its bits and pieces are called and the laboured descriptions drove me nuts. This is not the book's fault but I clearly do not like steampunk and even Jim Butcher can't convert me. I don't blame him for trying a new style, but Dresden is so very much better.
 
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« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2015, 08:40:34 AM »
Just finished the book, here are my thoughts on it :

.............................. if one can forget 2 entire pages of internal deliberation and dialogue in a team that was already swarmed by monsters and were supposed to be under their constant onslaught... You know, the 10min discussion occurring in the 3 second gap before damocles hits sort of trope.

............................ I feel rather un-invested in the characters, emotionally unconcerned. He never gripped me like some other authors can.

I agree with both Nora's comments and am struggling to finish this and very disappointed, as am great fan of Dresden. The characters in particular seem so flat and having a stereotypical Georgette Heyer aristocratic rebellious tomboy heroine annoyed me at start.  The men are so boring I can hardly remember who belongs where except for Grim and the only interesting characters are the cats.

I am completely disinterested in how an airship works or what its bits and pieces are called and the laboured descriptions drove me nuts. This is not the book's fault but I clearly do not like steampunk and even Jim Butcher can't convert me. I don't blame him for trying a new style, but Dresden is so very much better.

That's so disappointing to hear try Retribution Falls instead
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« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2015, 11:23:53 PM »
Just finished the book, here are my thoughts on it :

.............................. if one can forget 2 entire pages of internal deliberation and dialogue in a team that was already swarmed by monsters and were supposed to be under their constant onslaught... You know, the 10min discussion occurring in the 3 second gap before damocles hits sort of trope.

............................ I feel rather un-invested in the characters, emotionally unconcerned. He never gripped me like some other authors can.

I agree with both Nora's comments and am struggling to finish this and very disappointed, as am great fan of Dresden. The characters in particular seem so flat and having a stereotypical Georgette Heyer aristocratic rebellious tomboy heroine annoyed me at start.  The men are so boring I can hardly remember who belongs where except for Grim and the only interesting characters are the cats.

I am completely disinterested in how an airship works or what its bits and pieces are called and the laboured descriptions drove me nuts. This is not the book's fault but I clearly do not like steampunk and even Jim Butcher can't convert me. I don't blame him for trying a new style, but Dresden is so very much better.
I'm in the same boat. I'm over 200 pages in, but I just struggle to read it and get really invested in it at all. It's quite odd because I tear through the Dresdens. I know Butcher has a deal for a few of these, but he may want to stick to writing the Dresdens, because this is in no way as interesting.
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« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2015, 09:08:23 AM »
You've made me put this at the bottom of the TBR pile
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