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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #270 on: March 28, 2015, 03:11:59 PM »
I like the dragon ;D
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #271 on: March 28, 2015, 03:47:14 PM »
I like the dragon ;D

I know, If they have snakes, where does the need for salmon come into this? What part of the salmon makes this translation more descriptive...


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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #272 on: March 28, 2015, 04:03:19 PM »
Spoiler for the Liveship Traders books:
Spoiler for Hiden:
Actually, "salmon snake" makes me think quite a lot of the dragons in this series. They start life as a serpent (=snake), and when they're ready to transform, they go up the river to the hatching grounds to become dragons (just like a salmon)!
I wonder if that's where Robin got her idea ;D
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #273 on: March 28, 2015, 04:12:57 PM »
Spoiler for the Liveship Traders books:
Spoiler for Hiden:
Actually, "salmon snake" makes me think quite a lot of the dragons in this series. They start life as a serpent (=snake), and when they're ready to transform, they go up the river to the hatching grounds to become dragons (just like a salmon)!
I wonder if that's where Robin got her idea ;D

Very true. The name is probably to do with Finnish mythology, but there are lizards and snakes in Finland, so I wonder what makes them more like salmon there rather than lizards.

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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #274 on: March 28, 2015, 06:45:22 PM »
A quick look through the Interwebs tells that the Finnish word lohikäärme comes (most likely) from old Swedish word floghdragi. The flogh-part was borrowed and incorrectly linked to word lohi. The more exact translation would have been lentokäärme (flying snake). Link for those who understand Finnish.

Etymology is fun.  ;D
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #275 on: March 28, 2015, 07:57:43 PM »
Thanks, but I still like the idea of the salmon snake and my link to Hobb's books, hehe

(just noticed you're from Finland - I thought you had some portuguese links because of the 'velho' in your name.... but you're not even old hehe)
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #276 on: March 29, 2015, 08:58:21 AM »
Velho means a wizard in Finnish (but please don't think of me as one of those wand brandishing "wizards" from HP but rather like Gandalf or some such... old man  ;) ).

But the Velho-part in my nick actually comes from my real name, sort of at least. The wizard-meaning is just an added bonus. And the Portuguese old man/person fits me, in a way: Sometimes I feel like an old man physically (with numerous pains and aches), although mentally I'm like nine years old or something.  ;D
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #277 on: March 29, 2015, 11:39:59 AM »
That is really interesting!
I don't think I've ever encontered a specific word that lies within 2 very separate branches of the linguistic tree and that means very different things.
I wonder how you pronounce it, then...

Velho (portuguese) = old -- using the exclusively-portuguese sound 'lh' that I absolutely can't describe in writing (Saraband, help!)

Velho (finnish) = wizard -- ?? do you split the sound between the L and the H? like 'vel' 'ho'?
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #278 on: March 29, 2015, 12:04:46 PM »
Yeah, it's just like you said, with a little pause between L and H.  :)
Here are samples of how you pronounce it in Portuguese and in Finnish.

But the meanings are sort of similar though. I mean, I believe wizard comes from the word wise, and many times wisdom is considered to come with age. So, an old man is a wise man, or a wizard. Maybe?  :-\
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #279 on: March 29, 2015, 12:19:46 PM »
Oh gosh, thanks, I love that site! So many issues solved, hehe
(I'm quite into languages, particularly how living/working with multiple languages influences the way you think and act)
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #280 on: March 30, 2015, 03:16:54 PM »
...aaand another one!  ;D

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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #281 on: March 30, 2015, 03:23:26 PM »
...aaand another one!  ;D


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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #282 on: March 30, 2015, 03:43:15 PM »
But see, that depiction is exactly the reason why I would be able to live in Helsinki and not in the other capital cities mentioned: it's a lovely manageable small-ish city :D
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #283 on: March 30, 2015, 03:58:27 PM »
Why all this ragging on Finland, Raptori? There are plenty of great things about Finland. Like... like... Well, there are! Probably...  :-\

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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #284 on: March 30, 2015, 04:01:18 PM »
Why all this ragging on Finland, Raptori? There are plenty of great things about Finland. Like... like... Well, there are! Probably...  :-\

 ;)
No, this is affectionate ribbing.  :D  I think there's a genuine Finlandoplia society here on F-F. I'd go back in a second if money was no object.
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