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Title: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on February 19, 2014, 07:15:53 PM
For all those little things about Fantasy books that don't fit anywhere else but also don't really deserve a thread of their own...

1. Publishing the same book "for children" and "for adults", with different covers and different prices

I'd been wanting to read the Earthsea stories, and I saw all 4 published in a single book, Penguin, price £16.99. This was just before Christmas, and a friend had asked me for suggestions, so I told her about this book. What I got was exactly the same content, same publisher, but under their children's inprint Puffin. Price? £10.99.
Why? It's not a bigger font, it doesn't have more or less pages, so I really don't get the price difference.
The cover art was more expensive in the adult book? ::)


2. Usually worlds with 'nobles' and 'peasants' end up having the nobles ruling the peasants. Is there a book that turns this upside down, peasants ruling the nobles? Or are the words almost a prison, in that they imply the usual order?

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: G_R_Matthews on February 19, 2014, 07:25:39 PM
1. That is... strange!

2. I think the words denote the position eg. Noble = in charge. Though I suspect the communism may have tried to change that, strange though that the rich "peasants" always seem to end up in power :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Matthew Graybosch on February 19, 2014, 08:26:28 PM
1. This is something publishers do because they can get away with it. I think you'll find that a lot of the weirder features of capitalism are bugs nobody cared enough to fix through competition, regulation, or legislation.

2. This one is harder to answer without digging into the etymologies behind the words "noble" and "peasant". The peasants are the people who actually have to work for a living, usually by farming. The nobles, on the other hand, don't have to work for a living. Instead, they're parasites who tax the peasants in exchange for "protecting" them.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Overlord on February 19, 2014, 10:51:56 PM
For all those little things about Fantasy books that don't fit anywhere else but also don't really deserve a thread of their own...

1. Publishing the same book "for children" and "for adults", with different covers and different prices

I'd been wanting to read the Earthsea stories, and I saw all 4 published in a single book, Penguin, price £16.99. This was just before Christmas, and a friend had asked me for suggestions, so I told her about this book. What I got was exactly the same content, same publisher, but under their children's inprint Puffin. Price? £10.99.
Why? It's not a bigger font, it doesn't have more or less pages, so I really don't get the price difference.
The cover art was more expensive in the adult book? ::)

1. I like the book, but for Eon they did this… they even renamed it for adults!!! Incredibly, the following two images are both of the same book:

Young Adults:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NiA82MafEu8/TNHswkE39vI/AAAAAAAABjY/WIR7mZPqOFc/s1600/eon+dragoneye+reborn.jpg)

Adults:

(http://www.alisongoodman.com.au/images/tpw.jpg)

They did it for book 2 also:

Young Adults:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ywrBLVpgisc/TiUoRo29IZI/AAAAAAAAAag/BvYpTzvj7T4/s1600/eona.jpg)

Adults:

(http://dismantlednowrepairing.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/the-necklace-of-the-gods.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Jeni on February 19, 2014, 11:09:14 PM
The YA covers for EON + EONA are waaaaay better than the adult ones!

I've had a copy of EON sinking lower and lower on my kindle tbr pile for ages, but now I've seen those covers it's moved right back up to near the top - thanks Overlord!  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on February 20, 2014, 12:12:08 AM
Terry Pratchett kind of turned point 1 around a bit. He realised that children as well as adults read his Discworld novels, so wrote the Bromeliad trilogy specifically for younger readers. It was marketed that way and priced accordingly. Plenty of adults (Lejays17 and I being among them) read them as well. He did a similar thing with his first novel The Carpet People, written when he was 17, when he found out that it had become rare and people were on library waiting lists for years to read it.
The peasants ruling the nobles? Well, i guess once you become the ruling class you change your thinking. The closest I can think of off the top of my head that did what SB is saying was Animal Farm, and that was an allegorical tale that Orwell wrote after attending the Big Three meeting towards the end of WW II and after a while being unable to tell the difference between the totalitarian dictator in Stalin and the democratically elected leaders in Churchill and Roosevelt.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Overlord on February 20, 2014, 01:58:28 AM
The YA covers for EON + EONA are waaaaay better than the adult ones!

I've had a copy of EON sinking lower and lower on my kindle tbr pile for ages, but now I've seen those covers it's moved right back up to near the top - thanks Overlord!  :)

It is a really good book :-) I actually leant it to my girlfriend's mother and she really liked it (and the sequel) too. What I liked about it was that it is a rare example of an Asian setting using a first person female POV… It felt very fresh and unlike anything I'd read before. I guess if I had to try and compare it to something I'd say Sabriel/Lirael in terms of tone and story, but the narrative and setting are so very different that even that is a stretch :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on February 21, 2014, 06:09:35 PM
Another one:

* I think I might have found my "having the cake and eating it"
- I want to support my local bookshops (Waterstone's... nothing independent, but still, bricks and mortar shop), but I don't really like paying the full price (who does?). They hardly ever have the books I want on the 'buy 1 get 1 half price', so I'm tempted to buy online.
However yesterday I discovered 'reserve & collect' - you go online, reserve, then go collect the books from the actual shop, paying the cheaper online price but the sale counts as the bookshop sale (I know, I asked).
Of course, this only works if the shop you want has the book you want in stock, but I've got lots of options around me, if not exactly in my home town, then a few around.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ladybritches on February 22, 2014, 10:12:30 PM
For all those little things about Fantasy books that don't fit anywhere else but also don't really deserve a thread of their own...

1. Publishing the same book "for children" and "for adults", with different covers and different prices

I'd been wanting to read the Earthsea stories, and I saw all 4 published in a single book, Penguin, price £16.99. This was just before Christmas, and a friend had asked me for suggestions, so I told her about this book. What I got was exactly the same content, same publisher, but under their children's inprint Puffin. Price? £10.99.
Why? It's not a bigger font, it doesn't have more or less pages, so I really don't get the price difference.
The cover art was more expensive in the adult book? ::)

The paper is better quality? Who knows what they're thinking, but if they changed the title on me and I ended up buying the same book twice, I'd be pretty steamed.  I'm a tightwad so I look for the best bargain, but if the cheaper books are thick little trade paperbacks or something, I might pay a little extra for bigger and easier to hold. Especially if it's a book I'm likely to reread. :)


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2. Usually worlds with 'nobles' and 'peasants' end up having the nobles ruling the peasants. Is there a book that turns this upside down, peasants ruling the nobles? Or are the words almost a prison, in that they imply the usual order?

Nobles are the ruling class and peasants are the laborers, so the writer would probably be better off just making up new words for the classes if he wanted to change the rules. Otherwise people like me would get confused. ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on February 27, 2014, 08:04:04 AM
* What is it with guys and how they dress in the Mistborn books?
Everything looks normal and like the usual world except that.
One wears a vest all the time - fine, he's sloppy.
Others wear suits and vests, but no shirts... - why would you wear a suit just with a vest? Must feel really unconfortable, and it doesn't match with his noble position.
And then the worst are the ones who end up putting on shirts, but *under* their vests! Why?
 ???
Title: AW: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on February 27, 2014, 09:45:20 AM
Uhm... Where would you put a shirt if not under the vest? Certainly not above the vest...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Idlewilder on February 27, 2014, 09:55:51 AM
There are different types of vests...

See medieval/fantasy type vest:

(http://www.tudorshoppe.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/InnkeeperVest.jpg)


and the infinitely more horrifying Rab C Nesbitt vest (undershirt):

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SRTBaafRZfw/TAjFx0wCppI/AAAAAAAAEQM/tZTOZYN1eAE/s320/178822_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: sennydreadful on February 27, 2014, 10:14:28 AM
I think also there's a difference between the US and the UK idea of a vest - in that Americans have these sweater vest things (they look cute and I want one) which go over a shirt, and British people have vests as a sort of extra layer of warmth under your normal clothes. And they are less appealing.
Title: AW: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on February 27, 2014, 10:26:56 AM
I have a vest like the medieval one from windy's pic I wear with a suit. The other thing is a sleeveless shirt, not a vest.
Title: Re: AW: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Idlewilder on February 27, 2014, 10:28:58 AM
I have a vest like the medieval one from windy's pic I wear with a suit. The other thing is a sleeveless shirt, not a vest.

Ha! No, believe me - it is not a sleeveless shirt. It is a string vest and it is disgusting.  ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on February 27, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
This is a vest - it's an underwear garment, or summer/shabby type:

(http://images.asos-media.com/inv/media/0/0/2/1/3411200/blue/image1xl.jpg)
Title: AW: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on February 27, 2014, 12:24:24 PM
This is a vest - it's an underwear garment, or summer/shabby type:

(http://images.asos-media.com/inv/media/0/0/2/1/3411200/blue/image1xl.jpg)
I'm pretty sure your country is the only where that is a vest. ;)
Really funny to think that you thought they'd wear that over a shirt. ;D
Title: Re: AW: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on February 27, 2014, 12:27:27 PM
I'm pretty sure your country is the only where that is a vest. ;)

This:
I think also there's a difference between the US and the UK idea of a vest - in that Americans have these sweater vest things (they look cute and I want one) which go over a shirt, and British people have vests as a sort of extra layer of warmth under your normal clothes. And they are less appealing.

You probably also call sidewalk to what is actually a pavement. And cookie to what is obviously a biscuit ;D
Title: Re: AW: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Jonathan Campbell on February 27, 2014, 01:48:34 PM
I'm pretty sure your country is the only where that is a vest. ;)

Its a vest in the United Kingdom and many / most Commonwealth countries.

So there.
Title: Re: AW: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on February 27, 2014, 03:24:06 PM
You probably also call sidewalk to what is actually a pavement. And cookie to what is obviously a biscuit ;D
Oh, I'm not from an English speaking country, so I can laugh about all of you. ;)

A vest (the "medieval" type) is "Weste" in German, so it's quite similar, while this underwear garment is simply an "Unterhemd" (Hemd = Shirt, Unter = Under).
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on February 27, 2014, 03:47:40 PM
What you call a vest, an american would call a 'white beater', 'wife beater', or just sleeveless T-shirt. This is the American idea of a vest:

(http://www.bestylish.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/michael-c-wearing-vests.jpg)

it's pretty much any sleeveless jacket that comes in two parts (and buttons up or not). The one above is more formal, but this is also a vest:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c6/Nelson_Muntz.PNG)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: hyptonize on February 27, 2014, 06:05:09 PM
Funny, here in the Netherlands we call this a vest:

(http://www.jachensen.nl/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1185x1140/602f0fa2c1f0d1ba5e241f914e856ff9/j/a/jac_hensen_vest_cf_2059866_22.jpg)
Title: Re: AW: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on February 27, 2014, 06:52:25 PM
A vest (the "medieval" type) is "Weste" in German, so it's quite similar, while this underwear garment is simply an "Unterhemd" (Hemd = Shirt, Unter = Under).

See? A vest is something you wear under your shirt hehe
I know some german, but hadn't learnt Weste - I guess nobody wore that in Switzerland hehe
(my mother tongue then calls your Weste "colete" and the Unterhemd "camisola interior", which is a literal translation hehe)

Justan, "wife beater"? :o Really?
I'd call those in your pictures a waistcoat.

Title: Re: AW: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Arry on February 27, 2014, 07:09:54 PM
Justan, "wife beater"? :o Really?

Yep. I almost posted that my self, but chickened out. But yes, in America, that is pretty much what it would be called. Though, since it's not white it might be considered a "klassy wife beater" … yes, that would be the type of classy that should be spelled with a 'k'
Title: Re: AW: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on February 27, 2014, 07:13:14 PM
Justan, "wife beater"? :o Really?

Yep. I almost posted that my self, but chickened out. But yes, in America, that is pretty much what it would be called. Though, since it's not white it might be considered a "klassy wife beater" … yes, that would be the type of classy that should be spelled with a 'k'

hehehe ;D ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: G_R_Matthews on February 27, 2014, 10:20:47 PM
What you call a vest, an american would call a 'white beater', 'wife beater', or just sleeveless T-shirt. This is the American idea of a vest:


I'd call those waistcoats :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on February 28, 2014, 12:13:02 AM
I call it a singlet. In fact Bruce Willis was referred to here as 'the singlet with eyes' because of his habit of wearing one in many of his films, most notably the Die Hard franchise. A vest to me is generally a sleeveless woollen garment.
Title: Re: AW: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: sabrok on February 28, 2014, 12:33:20 AM
I'm pretty sure your country is the only where that is a vest. ;)

Its a vest in the United Kingdom and many / most Commonwealth countries.

So there.

Australian here. As far as I have ever known, that to us is a singlet.

Our vests are the same as Justan has shown. We also have pullover vests, which are usually knitted without a front opening.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on February 28, 2014, 01:03:51 AM
I remember the vest thing confusing me as a younger reader. But yes as Brandon is a Yank he will be meaning a waistcoat not an undershirt!

Now for the pants debate. Where do you wear yours? As an inner layer or an out layer?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on February 28, 2014, 03:26:23 AM
I remember the vest thing confusing me as a younger reader. But yes as Brandon is a Yank he will be meaning a waistcoat not an undershirt!

Now for the pants debate. Where do you wear yours? As an inner layer or an out layer?

both ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on February 28, 2014, 04:29:12 AM
Trousers here or if you want to get really Australian, strides.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on February 28, 2014, 08:15:05 AM
Pants are inner (mainly for men), trousers are outer.
The "pullover vests knitted without front opening" are tank tops.
Title: AW: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on February 28, 2014, 12:27:35 PM
Pants are inner (mainly for men), trousers are outer.
The "pullover vests knitted without front opening" are tank tops.
(http://media.peterhahn.de/is/image/peterhahn/E/burlington-v-pullunder-marine-427545_CAT_M_270511_095345.jpg)
That's a tank top? I can't imagine Lara Croft wearing one, sorry. ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: sennydreadful on February 28, 2014, 12:29:40 PM
I am enjoying the fine selection of catalogue models in this thread.  8)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on February 28, 2014, 12:37:02 PM
Sandals. With or without socks? (Xiagan)
Title: AW: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on February 28, 2014, 05:29:16 PM
Sandals. With or without socks? (Xiagan)
I'm not a fan of sandals in any case, but sandals with socks are especially horrible. I think it's something only German, British and American tourists manage.
Title: Re: AW: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on February 28, 2014, 05:32:57 PM
Sandals. With or without socks? (Xiagan)
I'm not a fan of sandals in any case, but sandals with socks are especially horrible. I think it's something only German, British and American tourists manage.

It's considered unfashionable in America too, but sometimes you have to go to the mailbox and are too lazy to take off your socks damnit.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on February 28, 2014, 10:46:45 PM
Sandals are often referred to as thongs down here, flip flops is another and I think Kiwis call them jandals.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: G_R_Matthews on February 28, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
Sandals are often referred to as thongs down here.

Not even starting THAT conversation  ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on February 28, 2014, 10:53:24 PM
Sandals are often referred to as thongs down here.

Not even starting THAT conversation  ;)
They were called that down here a long time before the other usage ever entered the lexicon.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: G_R_Matthews on February 28, 2014, 11:08:56 PM
Probably where the words for 'the other useage' comes from? The design of the toe straps... Anyway. Moving on and along.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Saraband on February 28, 2014, 11:44:42 PM
Since I'm new around here, I must ask:

Do threads often derail as abruptly, and unexpectedly, as this one?  :P


On the matter of sandals & socks, I never understood why tourists from the U.S. and Northern Europe come to Portugal during the summer and unashamedly walk about with their white socks & brown sandal combo. A fatal combo, I might add. Not to mention the lobster-colored skin, after they spend 5 minutes under the sun!  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 01, 2014, 12:12:56 AM
Since I'm new around here, I must ask:

Do threads often derail as abruptly, and unexpectedly, as this one?  :P



No, this is how we roll. It was bound to happen with a thread titled Miscellaneous Musings. If you want real derailment drop into the Kings Paws sometime.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 01, 2014, 09:24:14 AM
This thread is going exactly where I wanted it to go...
... partially. I was expecting the 'musings' in the title to be mostly about fantasy, hehe, although I guess I asked for this when I wondered about the vests.
 :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Jonathan Campbell on March 01, 2014, 12:56:05 PM
I don't wear sandals and I don't get abroad much, but I have scars / stiches on my ankles so I need to wear socks. Otherwise it just feels...weird. Exposed, uncomfortable and weird.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on March 01, 2014, 12:58:41 PM
So Sisqo's Thong Song wasn't about his foot fetish? World rocked!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: G_R_Matthews on March 01, 2014, 01:02:03 PM
I don't wear sandals and I don't get abroad much, but I have scars / stiches on my ankles so I need to wear socks. Otherwise it just feels...weird. Exposed, uncomfortable and weird.

Whereas I have feet like a Hobbit - both a blessing and curse (great for climbing mountains and dropping the odd ring into a lake of lava, not so good for driving - two pedals at once!)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: EricaDakin on March 03, 2014, 10:28:26 PM
I often have arguments with my husband about pants vs. underpants. He insists that all pants are underpants and you therefore don't need the 'under' bit. Anything you wear over the top are trousers. Me being Dutch and stubborn, I continue to call them underpants because that's what I was taught in school, dammit!

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 04, 2014, 08:11:48 AM
* Why oh why are there box sets of the first 5 books in ASoIaF?
If you buy a box set, you want the whole thing. Just imagine how they'll look on the shelves, a nice box with the first 5 books, then the others lonely and forlorn on the side...
Are these boxsets for random people who don't know any better? Bookshops taking advantage of the 'TV people'?
Or is it the case that even bookshops don't believe Martin will ever write any more? ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on March 04, 2014, 04:44:25 PM
* Why oh why are there box sets of the first 5 books in ASoIaF?
If you buy a box set, you want the whole thing. Just imagine how they'll look on the shelves, a nice box with the first 5 books, then the others lonely and forlorn on the side...
Are these boxsets for random people who don't know any better? Bookshops taking advantage of the 'TV people'?
Or is it the case that even bookshops don't believe Martin will ever write any more? ;)

Haha, I think it's just convenience, but 5 does seem an odd number. I don't know what they're doing now, but Wheel of Time and Goodkind's Sword of Truth series boxed in sets of three for a while. They're probably boxing in five because they don't want to box the martins in 3 and 2, because 2 isn't much of a set. Unless it was the entirety of the series, I'd be upset if they marketed two books, no matter how long they are, as a box set. (Well, not as much upset as I would think it were pointless. I'm fine with a discount, but I don't need a box for 2 books.)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 04, 2014, 06:28:40 PM
I found the picture:

(http://www.waterstones.com/wat/images/nbd/m/978000/747/9780007477159.jpg)

At least they put the right series name on the box....


* Argh!!! Joanne Harris is giving a talk at the local Uni about Loki, within the local literature festival, and it's in the single week in more than 6 months that I'm away on holidays >:( :'(
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 04, 2014, 09:53:22 PM
* Why oh why are there box sets of the first 5 books in ASoIaF?
If you buy a box set, you want the whole thing. Just imagine how they'll look on the shelves, a nice box with the first 5 books, then the others lonely and forlorn on the side...
Are these boxsets for random people who don't know any better? Bookshops taking advantage of the 'TV people'?
Or is it the case that even bookshops don't believe Martin will ever write any more? ;)
It's a bit like releasing DVD boxed sets of various TV shows when the show is ongoing. Its not just ASoIaF. I've seen it done with a few series that are still being written. They collect the first 3 or 5 or however many and release them that way.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 16, 2014, 06:42:53 PM
I found another good one for here, a book review on the paper a week last saturday. It's reviewing "Hollow City", the sequel to "Miss Peregrine's Peculiar Children" (which I haven't read, but seen):

"... this is one of those imaginary worlds thronged with monsters and magic. Are such worlds ever as interesting as the real one?..."

 >:( >:(
I was speechless at this, as my answer is immediately 'no, they're not as interesting as the real one, they're FAR MORE interesting!!!'
Why on earth do they give fantasy books to be reviewed by people who obviously don't like fantasy? Argh!

This is the reason why I only read reviews after reading the book, usually (reviews for interest, rather than to convince me to choose books) - this one was in a small corner of the page and I hadn't even realised it was for that particular book... but it just makes me mad.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on March 16, 2014, 06:49:50 PM
"... this is one of those imaginary worlds thronged with monsters and magic. Are such worlds ever as interesting as the real one?..."


I always find this quotes strange, do there know soaps aren't real either I'm guessing there watch EastEnders do there only read non-fiction?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 16, 2014, 08:39:21 PM
^  ;D
I think they meant the worldbuilding rather than the stories, hehe
But still, do they really think I identify with yet another stupid story about 40-something women with problems with husbands and children? Never had neither, give me monsters and magic every time! 8)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on March 30, 2014, 10:07:27 PM
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(sorry - rant deleted)

But... but I love rants =(


Wow, caught that at a weird moment haha. *Poof and now it's gone*
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 31, 2014, 08:02:04 AM
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(sorry - rant deleted)

But... but I love rants =(


Wow, caught that at a weird moment haha. *Poof and now it's gone*

Oh did you read it?
I just get irrationally annoyed at people sometimes, that say stupid things about "GoT the TV", and then come here and rant (see how much I love you all guys and feel you get me? ;)), and then I realise I'm being irrational and delete. And go drown my rants with Jorg instead hehe

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on March 31, 2014, 04:14:18 PM
Haha, no I didn't read the rant, just saw the post which had been scrubbed about three seconds before you deleted it as well. I just enjoy a good rant, about anything really. Even rants about rants, or rants about my failings as a person (As if there are any. Silly emotions, confusing people like that.  ;))
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 31, 2014, 08:47:58 PM
Thanks Justan - I just don't have enough 'real life people' that I feel comfortable enough to rant to, so the net ends up 'hearing' it more... And I totally get what you say hehe


Please someone tell me they understand my frustration... it happened again.

Someone asking: "I haven't either read or seen Game of Thrones, should I read or watch it?"
Replies: "The books are pointless now" and "Straight to the box sets"
 >:( :'(
I've stopped reading the thread...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on April 01, 2014, 04:05:27 AM
I do understand. That is a travesty. There is so much more emotion and detail in the books that TV can't match.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on April 16, 2014, 06:38:55 PM
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Title: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nino on April 17, 2014, 09:03:43 AM
I quite enjoyed reading the first bit of the discussion with all the language complications. Where I come from we "officially" use British English but most of what we get on TV is American English. Plus a lot of the books are also in American English. It tought me sort of to ignore all the funny/confusing meanings of words. And don't even get me started on the other versions of English that you get here. Luckily the people here tend to speak slow when they speak English so there is time to "interpret" it to yourself, not like when I got to America and couldn't follow anything the lady in the airport said.

And then there is also the differences in spelling - the 'ou' in colour or just an 'o' (color), using 's' in stead of 'z'. Makes teaching spelling to kids realy hard, because the books they read and the way they have to write is not in the same English.

So we have both camisole and vest for the thing you wear under your shirt. Then you have the shirt which is pretty straight forward. Then you get the waistcoat (or 'onderbaadjie' which is pretty much an "under-jacket") and then you get both a jacket and a blazer. I've never been able to figure out the difference between the blazer and jacket.

And then you probably get the most confusing one - the 'top'. That could be anything from a tank top, t-shirt, button up shirt, jersey, jacket or pullover.

So, that is my 50 cents of 'Globalisation and language'.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on April 18, 2014, 01:39:14 AM

And then you probably get the most confusing one - the 'top'. That could be anything from a tank top, t-shirt, button up shirt, jersey, jacket or pullover.


Don't forget guernsey or jumper.

I'm probably mangling a famous quote here, but I think it goes something like: America and England two countries separated by a common language.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Roxxsmom on April 18, 2014, 06:47:55 AM
I think also there's a difference between the US and the UK idea of a vest - in that Americans have these sweater vest things (they look cute and I want one) which go over a shirt, and British people have vests as a sort of extra layer of warmth under your normal clothes. And they are less appealing.

I think this is true. I think what Americans often refer to as a vest is called a waistcoat in the UK, and they're worn over shirts and (if formal) under coats or jackets. But we also have sweater vests. I assumed that the vests worn in the Mistborn series were of the medieval type, maybe more similar to the garments that are sometimes referred to as jerkins.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on May 11, 2014, 11:48:58 AM
I've just bought 5 books *dances*
So much better than buying anything else ;D

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Edit: sorry, I went off in a tangent again, didn't I? Sorry again. It's just some things feel too good not to be shared and I end up writing here - and of course you don't care.
If I could delete, I would - as it is, I promise to think more before posting :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ladybritches on May 13, 2014, 01:48:33 AM
I've just bought 5 books *dances*
So much better than buying anything else ;D

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Edit: sorry, I went off in a tangent again, didn't I? Sorry again. It's just some things feel too good not to be shared and I end up writing here - and of course you don't care.
If I could delete, I would - as it is, I promise to think more before posting :)

Well, I share your enthusiasm for buying new books, and your happy dance improved my mood considerably, so as far as I'm concerned, you're forgiven.  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on May 13, 2014, 01:54:14 AM
I've just bought 5 books *dances*
So much better than buying anything else ;D

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Edit: sorry, I went off in a tangent again, didn't I? Sorry again. It's just some things feel too good not to be shared and I end up writing here - and of course you don't care.
If I could delete, I would - as it is, I promise to think more before posting :)
I bought 3 the other day and I did a happy dance about it, too, so it's not really that tangential, we are on a forum that is largely devoted to the joys of reading, after all.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on May 18, 2014, 07:00:01 PM
I've never wanted to slap and shout at a character more than I do with Kylar in the first 200 pages of Shadow's Edge (the second in Night Angel) - changing who you are for a woman? Really?  >:( I know he's only 20, but I wish he knew better...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on May 31, 2014, 06:53:37 PM
Wow, today I discovered (via a LibraryThing group) that at a school in Portugal their year 9 students have studied Brett's The Painted Man (it's one of the available books to study in its list).

Great that they're including fantasy now, as well as other recent authors: in my days it was only 19th century portuguese authors ::)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Saraband on June 01, 2014, 12:30:46 AM
Great that they're including fantasy now, as well as other recent authors: in my days it was only 19th century portuguese authors ::)

Come on, that's a bit unfair. Stories by the great Sophia de Mello Breyner Andresen, many of them filled with fantastical elements, are read from a very young age. You also have Camões' The Lusiads, with the classical gods quarreling amongst themselves about the portuguese explorers during the Age of Discovery. And there is Saramago's Baltasar and Blimunda, the story of a man who makes a machine fly with the power of his will.

But I too was pleasantly surprised to hear that about Peter V. Brett's book  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on June 01, 2014, 11:03:56 AM
I think I did The Lusiads in year 9, and that wasn't so bad, but it was Eca de Queiroz in years 10-11 (no choice at all), and I really don't like his style.
You're about half my age, I think? (I'm 44), so things might have improved for you hehe - after all, the other authors you mention are all 20th century.

And sorry, but any book I have to 'study' (i.e. desiccate) I end up hating, unfortunately :( there's something about trying to find reasons for why the author wrote 'this' and not 'that', rewrite the description using different words, counting the number of sentences of type X in a given chapter, that destroy the best books. I do hope things have changed since then.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Saraband on June 01, 2014, 03:54:04 PM
Well, I'm 23, so yes, things have probably changed. And, from the looks of it, for the better - but, much like you, I too end up with a strong dislike for books we have to study in school. Saramago may be the only exception I can think of.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on June 01, 2014, 11:49:26 PM
I think I did The Lusiads in year 9, and that wasn't so bad, but it was Eca de Queiroz in years 10-11 (no choice at all), and I really don't like his style.
You're about half my age, I think? (I'm 44), so things might have improved for you hehe - after all, the other authors you mention are all 20th century.

And sorry, but any book I have to 'study' (i.e. desiccate) I end up hating, unfortunately :( there's something about trying to find reasons for why the author wrote 'this' and not 'that', rewrite the description using different words, counting the number of sentences of type X in a given chapter, that destroy the best books. I do hope things have changed since then.
I've often wondered how many kids the way we study books at school turns off reading in general.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Roxxsmom on June 02, 2014, 06:28:55 AM
Looking back at the first post (re the peasants and nobles) and wondering if there are any fantasy novels where, instead of feudalism, people live in autonomous collectives.

And thinking of anachronistic words I've run across in fantasy that many people don't know are anachronistic. Escalate would be one, unless it's a parallel world and a company named Otis patented a moving staircase called an escalator.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on June 09, 2014, 02:26:18 PM
^ gosh I'd never even thought that escalate came from escalator (I thought it was the other way round).

Another misc. musing: I've just realised I'm going to Congression this week ;D - I'm off to Vyene on Wednesday!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on July 17, 2014, 06:34:31 PM
I'm learning new words reading Malazan I've learnt the following this are just some of them

Mendicant

Commingled

Verdigrised

Machicolation

Inchoate

and my favourite word which i will never get to use will be Plenpotentiary
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on July 17, 2014, 07:06:13 PM
^ interesting how they (all?) have latin orgins, because they're similar to normal words in portuguese - well, maybe not really used in everyday conversations, but definitely in legal documents, especially the one you love the most, 'plenpotentiary' hehe

And does anyone sometimes find that they 'know' certain words, because fantasy books use them so much, until you actually discover what they are and you didn't know after all, not really?
That happened to me with 'vambrace': I thought I knew what it was until I actually saw it in a museum ;D
Title: AW: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on July 17, 2014, 07:08:32 PM
I'm learning new words reading Malazan I've learnt the following this are just some of them

Mendicant

Commingled

Verdigrised

Machicolation

Inchoate

and my favourite word which i will never get to use will be Plenpotentiary
Erikson loves his verdigris. ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on July 18, 2014, 12:54:43 AM
I'm learning new words reading Malazan I've learnt the following this are just some of them

Mendicant

Commingled

Verdigrised

Machicolation

Inchoate

and my favourite word which i will never get to use will be Plenpotentiary
I'd seen most of those before in one form or another, but I learned the meaning of mendicant from Sergio Aragones' comic book Groo the Wanderer. It wasn't a word you wanted to use around Groo, it made him very angry.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ladybritches on July 21, 2014, 04:45:10 PM

And thinking of anachronistic words I've run across in fantasy that many people don't know are anachronistic. Escalate would be one, unless it's a parallel world and a company named Otis patented a moving staircase called an escalator.

Gosh, learned something new today. I had no idea that "escalate" wasn't an old word.   :-[
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on July 22, 2014, 12:04:08 AM

And thinking of anachronistic words I've run across in fantasy that many people don't know are anachronistic. Escalate would be one, unless it's a parallel world and a company named Otis patented a moving staircase called an escalator.

Gosh, learned something new today. I had no idea that "escalate" wasn't an old word.   :-[
I work in IT and they regularly use the word escalate to describe an incident and how it was handled.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 10, 2014, 10:08:35 AM
Revisiting this thread for 2 thoughts:

1. I'm having the day off work, need to use my holidays. I had planned to go out and do some shopping, but there are gale-force winds around, almost horizontal rain coming in an hour or so, and I decided I don't really need the shopping, so I'm just staying home curled up for warmth and reading: is this a waste of a day? ;D

2. I usually read Patrick Rothfuss's blog, I really enjoy his posts. Those who do the same, know that in the last few weeks it's been Worldbuilders time, where he collects donations for this charity and in return people get the chance of win books and other fantasy goodies.
Anyway, my point is, he's posted photos of all the books that american publishers and others have donated... and wow, are american covers really *that* bad? *That* tacky? Or do I just feel like this because I've been raised on european covers - stylish, graphical, without people?
American covers feel dated, and I think they do more to separate the fantasy genre from all other books than any other visible reason...
We've had threads on good/bad covers before, but have people identified this continental divide before?
(is this a separate thread?)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on December 10, 2014, 10:53:01 AM
Revisiting this thread for 2 thoughts:

1. I'm having the day off work, need to use my holidays. I had planned to go out and do some shopping, but there are gale-force winds around, almost horizontal rain coming in an hour or so, and I decided I don't really need the shopping, so I'm just staying home curled up for warmth and reading: is this a waste of a day? ;D

2. I usually read Patrick Rothfuss's blog, I really enjoy his posts. Those who do the same, know that in the last few weeks it's been Worldbuilders time, where he collects donations for this charity and in return people get the chance of win books and other fantasy goodies.
Anyway, my point is, he's posted photos of all the books that american publishers and others have donated... and wow, are american covers really *that* bad? *That* tacky? Or do I just feel like this because I've been raised on european covers - stylish, graphical, without people?
American covers feel dated, and I think they do more to separate the fantasy genre from all other books than any other visible reason...
We've had threads on good/bad covers before, but have people identified this continental divide before?
(is this a separate thread?)

1. Reading > shopping any day  :)

2. I think that's a trend everywhere actually, and it's one I hate. The perfect example is the covers for the Long Price Quartet. I think the original covers are beautiful, and the new ones are hideous. Problem there is that the fourth book is only available with the new covers, and I hate having non-matching books (plus the reprints are two-book omnibus editions), so I've had to buy the horrible versions. It seems that a cover that prominently features a person is deemed more likely to sell these days, regardless of whether it bears any relation to the content of the book.

Original covers:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Icbte-BfDNg/UNReWkzVuVI/AAAAAAAAEiU/ixi3wvgF6ms/s1600/Daniel+Abraham.jpg)

New covers:
(http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1268070505l/6399851.jpg) (http://aidanmoher.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/the-long-price-2.jpeg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Charming on December 10, 2014, 11:06:50 AM
Revisiting this thread for 2 thoughts:

1. I'm having the day off work, need to use my holidays. I had planned to go out and do some shopping, but there are gale-force winds around, almost horizontal rain coming in an hour or so, and I decided I don't really need the shopping, so I'm just staying home curled up for warmth and reading: is this a waste of a day? ;D

2. I usually read Patrick Rothfuss's blog, I really enjoy his posts. Those who do the same, know that in the last few weeks it's been Worldbuilders time, where he collects donations for this charity and in return people get the chance of win books and other fantasy goodies.
Anyway, my point is, he's posted photos of all the books that american publishers and others have donated... and wow, are american covers really *that* bad? *That* tacky? Or do I just feel like this because I've been raised on european covers - stylish, graphical, without people?
American covers feel dated, and I think they do more to separate the fantasy genre from all other books than any other visible reason...
We've had threads on good/bad covers before, but have people identified this continental divide before?
(is this a separate thread?)

1. Reading > shopping any day  :)

2. I think that's a trend everywhere actually, and it's one I hate. The perfect example is the covers for the Long Price Quartet. I think the original covers are beautiful, and the new ones are hideous. Problem there is that the fourth book is only available with the new covers, and I hate having non-matching books (plus the reprints are two-book omnibus editions), so I've had to buy the horrible versions. It seems that a cover that prominently features a person is deemed more likely to sell these days, regardless of whether it bears any relation to the content of the book.


Could it also be a factor of time, money and royalties?

Is it more time efficient and/or financially viable, for a poorly photo-shopped actor/model in a generic costume or commission an artist for an delicately crafted design to individualize the imagery associated with the novel? 

This is what I've consolidated myself with in the dimensioning appearance of beautifully crafted covers for more generic and boring covers.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on December 10, 2014, 11:17:16 AM
Revisiting this thread for 2 thoughts:

1. I'm having the day off work, need to use my holidays. I had planned to go out and do some shopping, but there are gale-force winds around, almost horizontal rain coming in an hour or so, and I decided I don't really need the shopping, so I'm just staying home curled up for warmth and reading: is this a waste of a day? ;D

2. I usually read Patrick Rothfuss's blog, I really enjoy his posts. Those who do the same, know that in the last few weeks it's been Worldbuilders time, where he collects donations for this charity and in return people get the chance of win books and other fantasy goodies.
Anyway, my point is, he's posted photos of all the books that american publishers and others have donated... and wow, are american covers really *that* bad? *That* tacky? Or do I just feel like this because I've been raised on european covers - stylish, graphical, without people?
American covers feel dated, and I think they do more to separate the fantasy genre from all other books than any other visible reason...
We've had threads on good/bad covers before, but have people identified this continental divide before?
(is this a separate thread?)

1. Reading > shopping any day  :)

2. I think that's a trend everywhere actually, and it's one I hate. The perfect example is the covers for the Long Price Quartet. I think the original covers are beautiful, and the new ones are hideous. Problem there is that the fourth book is only available with the new covers, and I hate having non-matching books (plus the reprints are two-book omnibus editions), so I've had to buy the horrible versions. It seems that a cover that prominently features a person is deemed more likely to sell these days, regardless of whether it bears any relation to the content of the book.


Could it also be a factor of time, money and royalties?

Is it more time efficient and/or financially viable, for a poorly photo-shopped actor/model in a generic costume or commission an artist for an delicately crafted design to individualize the imagery associated with the novel? 

This is what I've consolidated myself with in the dimensioning appearance of beautifully crafted covers for more generic and boring covers.

Yeah that'd make sense in a lot of cases, but it does appear to be a trend as well. The Long Price books were with the same publisher, and from what I've read (can't find where I read it though sadly) the only reason they changed the covers was that they felt the new ones would sell better. I think it's sad that people are underinvesting in book covers, since it's an important aspect of presenting the book to potential readers.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Idlewilder on December 10, 2014, 11:38:33 AM
Yeah that'd make sense in a lot of cases, but it does appear to be a trend as well. The Long Price books were with the same publisher, and from what I've read (can't find where I read it though sadly) the only reason they changed the covers was that they felt the new ones would sell better. I think it's sad that people are underinvesting in book covers, since it's an important aspect of presenting the book to potential readers.

The reasons for the change in covers for the Long Price Quartet was that Shadow and Betrayal/Seasons of War are omnibuses of Book 1&2/Book 3&4 in that series respectively.

We've definitely discussed this US/UK cover divide before (sometimes the US do have the better covers - a lot of TOR-US's stuff is far more interesting than the UK, for instance) but I'm not sure where the thread is.

Slightly aside from this, what irritates me more are when covers are lazy knock-offs of other successful series. Like the Divergent covers following the exact same format as The Hunger Games, or how every other thriller novel out in the last few months seems to be an exact replica of the cover for Gone Girl. Publishing is such a weird, cynical business at times. A creative industry where creativity is a rare occurrence (at least in marketing!)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on December 10, 2014, 11:55:03 AM
I'm looking at the single figure approach in the covers in question, and I'm wondering if they tie to Assassin's Creed.  If they believe the demographic is the same, they could be trying to leverage the popularity of the one.  Which is what the Divergent covers are all about, of course.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on December 10, 2014, 12:35:09 PM
The reasons for the change in covers for the Long Price Quartet was that Shadow and Betrayal/Seasons of War are omnibuses of Book 1&2/Book 3&4 in that series respectively.
Yeah obviously they would need new covers for that, but I doubt it cost them less to design the new covers than it would have for them to extend the rights for two of the original four and put the new titles on them. I could be wrong, but it does seem like it's at least partially driven by marketing.

We've definitely discussed this US/UK cover divide before (sometimes the US do have the better covers - a lot of TOR-US's stuff is far more interesting than the UK, for instance) but I'm not sure where the thread is.

Slightly aside from this, what irritates me more are when covers are lazy knock-offs of other successful series. Like the Divergent covers following the exact same format as The Hunger Games, or how every other thriller novel out in the last few months seems to be an exact replica of the cover for Gone Girl. Publishing is such a weird, cynical business at times. A creative industry where creativity is a rare occurrence (at least in marketing!)
Yeah it does seem all over the place, even specific publishers put out covers with hugely varying quality. Knock-offs really do take it too far, especially when the books themselves are arguably bandwagon-jumpers!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on December 10, 2014, 11:14:21 PM
Revisiting this thread for 2 thoughts:

1. I'm having the day off work, need to use my holidays. I had planned to go out and do some shopping, but there are gale-force winds around, almost horizontal rain coming in an hour or so, and I decided I don't really need the shopping, so I'm just staying home curled up for warmth and reading: is this a waste of a day? ;D


Time spent reading is never time wasted, unless it's a really bad book, and that's pretty subjective.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 23, 2014, 04:50:33 PM
I got lots of money on book vouchers for my birthday ;D (I had to share with people who understand hehe)
Now I just need to decide what to buy - Robin Hobb's Liveship Traders trilogy is one, but need to decide what else...

(and I've got double waterstone's points all this week, but not sure I'll go brave the shops until saturday...)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 31, 2014, 04:29:00 PM
(I know - this seems to be the 'thread for Bea to ramble to the world'... sorry - but at the moment I'm ill and bored, and all I can do is read, ramble and post, hehe - move along and go read something meaningful ;))

* I seem to keep falling into this trap: I get a book from the library, a one-off/non-series book that looks really interesting, then I fall in love with the author and realise that it's very hard to get their other books in the UK (either Waterstone's or Amazon).
This happened with Elizabeth Bear, and Sarah Monette (got the 2 books they wrote together), and now with Mary Gentle.
Argh >:(

* Those of you who are writers, I hope you realise how 'easy' you've got with writing in english, a wonderfully neutral and mysterious language that allows you to take your readers through whatever twisted paths you choose - including juggling their gender perceptions.
I was writing a perfectly normal email in my mother tongue and suddenly realised (after noticing how much easier it is to write in english, and how it makes much more sense to me nowadays) how 'locked' I was to the gender of each word, and how writing a perfectly innocuous word such as "my" (as in "my ex") makes me have to come out to a person that doesn't really need to know. Then again, if everyone says it normally, it might not be such a big thing in the future...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on December 31, 2014, 06:27:56 PM
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding any part of the ramble, but just wanted to say that I have started to introduce my mom and her partner, Eva, as "my mom and her wife, Eva".  I actually think that might have bugged my mom, since she's of an older generation (of course) and she continues to study the tax consequences of actually getting married.   :P

Meanwhile, I have no perspective to share on the difficulty of obtaining books.  Maybe we need a book swap program among F-F members!

And I have no perspective on how fortunate it is that I write exclusively in English, considering no other options  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 31, 2014, 08:29:40 PM
Thanks for replying ;D

And yay for your mum (and you, hehe) - but you say that with a reason, introducing specific people and their relationship. My ramble was that even if I just wanted to tell someone one of my reasons for moving countries, without any details, I will necessarily have to come out to whomever I tell that, because while the adverb 'my' is gender neutral in english, when I write in portuguese I have to either use "meu" (when talking about a masculine-noun) or "minha" (about a feminine-noun).
In a similar issue, the main character in the book I'm currendly reading is a hermaphrodite, and there are lots of comic and hidden meanings in many of the conversations, which wouldn't be possible when writing in a much more strongly gendered language, when not only all nouns but also all pronouns and adverbs must show a gender.

And I'm sure you might have problems finding some books from english authors over there, you just haven't discovered them yet, hehe - I think if you read enough old F-F threads you'll find a few ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on December 31, 2014, 11:20:25 PM
The difficulty in obtaining books is a publisher thing. Some books don't get a US release and others don't get a UK one. We generally follow the UK market down here, so that can be an issue if a book you want to read is only released in the US. Fortunately I know of a shop in the city that deals with a lot of imports and gets both US and UK releases, the city Dymocks (our only chain) also gets a lot of US imports. Of course there is always the internet. If it's an older book that you can't get, try Abe books, they deal with second hand books from everywhere.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on January 01, 2015, 08:22:12 AM
I don't speak the language of the country I live in... and it's one of the hardest languages to learn, Finnish. I'm getting there, slowly. However it means that bookstores are useless to me, since they rarely have anything that interests me available in English. I order a ridiculous amount of stuff from Amazon  :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on January 01, 2015, 10:44:11 AM
^ Oh how I get that feeling! When I lived in Switzerland the English bookshop in Zurich was my favourite place, and every time I went on holidays to the UK I went home full of books ;D

In Portugal there are a few bookshops that stock books in english (that's how I survived when living there, since I started reading originals from very young, before the internet), but the choice is very limited - as I'm sure M.Boronha will confirm hehe

And yes, I forgot ebooks, I never consider them - I suppose if I'd lived 20 years later (or be in a different country now) I wouldn't be so against them as I am.
(hmmm or maybe not - I still can't read long stretches on a screen, I even have problems with the FF monthly contest stories...)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on January 01, 2015, 11:35:44 AM
Finland!  I love Finland.  My wife and I were there summer 2013, I on business, she along for the ride.  Great people, great place in the summer.  And HARD CIDER in every bar.  Now that's living.  The U.S. is really just discovering hard cider now, and most of the selection is too sweet.

As re: language, it was certainly challenging to get to Porvoo from Helsinki by bus... because we just couldn't figure out that the terminal was on a floor below the mall.  Lots of people in Finland speak English, of course, but none of them were shopping that day.  :P

And re: Ebooks and screens, the iPad is a gift from Olympus and eboooks are not the devil  ;)  And I'm old, so I still love me some paper too.  But eboooks = soooo convenient.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on January 01, 2015, 11:52:11 AM
^ Oh how I get that feeling! When I lived in Switzerland the English bookshop in Zurich was my favourite place, and every time I went on holidays to the UK I went home full of books ;D

In Portugal there are a few bookshops that stock books in english (that's how I survived when living there, since I started reading originals from very young, before the internet), but the choice is very limited - as I'm sure M.Boronha will confirm hehe

And yes, I forgot ebooks, I never consider them - I suppose if I'd lived 20 years later (or be in a different country now) I wouldn't be so against them as I am.
(hmmm or maybe not - I still can't read long stretches on a screen, I even have problems with the FF monthly contest stories...)
Yeah there are a few bookstores over here that sell English books, but they're really expensive. There's a really good library system though, which usually has a lot of variety, but I like owning a copy and not having to worry about returning it  :-\

I don't like ebooks either actually, I generally buy second hand books (and the occasional new one) since the delivery isn't too expensive. Second hand ones in particular are awesome!

Finland!  I love Finland.  My wife and I were there summer 2013, I on business, she along for the ride.  Great people, great place in the summer.  And HARD CIDER in every bar.  Now that's living.  The U.S. is really just discovering hard cider now, and most of the selection is too sweet.

As re: language, it was certainly challenging to get to Porvoo from Helsinki by bus... because we just couldn't figure out that the terminal was on a floor below the mall.  Lots of people in Finland speak English, of course, but none of them were shopping that day.  :P

And re: Ebooks and screens, the iPad is a gift from Olympus and eboooks are not the devil  ;)  And I'm old, so I still love me some paper too.  But eboooks = soooo convenient.
Yeah I love it here, especially in summer. So different to England, over here they have actual nature, and seasons!

Haha yeah, pretty much everyone does but they're all really shy about it. All of my fiancee's friends are pretty fluent but only a couple are confident enough to engage in long conversations, and one of those is training to be an English teacher.

I've never owned a smartphone, the only touch-screen device we have is the cheapest tablet money can buy (yet I build mobile-friendly websites for a living...). I read ebooks (when I have to) on my PC using Firefox  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on January 01, 2015, 12:40:58 PM
It just struck me to say that my icon or avatar or whatever on F-F is a photo of a Helsinki roofline taken at about midnight in July 2013.  One of my favorite photos I've ever done.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: DrNefario on January 01, 2015, 03:57:09 PM
And re: Ebooks and screens, the iPad is a gift from Olympus and eboooks are not the devil  ;)  And I'm old, so I still love me some paper too.  But eboooks = soooo convenient.
I'm very much in favour of ebooks, especially for big unwieldy fantasy tomes*, but not on an iPad. It has to be a proper eInk reader, for me. Much easier on the eyes. I do like my iPad - I'm typing this on it right now - but it's not for reading.

Ebooks allow you to keep buying when all your shelves are full. I'm not sure if that's an advantage or a disadvantage. :)

*Although the map problem hasn't really been successfully solved. Too small to read and difficult to refer back to.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on January 24, 2015, 03:33:34 PM
I'm back posting after a few week absence. I will blame leaving the recharging cord for my iPad up in Maine at my dads house.  I cN also blame being sick, working crazy hours, paying attention to my wife and reading the Mistborn Trilogy (not a form of paying attention to my wife).  I do feel as though I sort of walked out on some friends without so much as a see you in a bit.  And here I am saying I'm back did you miss me?

There was, however, the relaxing bit ???? where I wasn't checking for new posts every five minutes. ????
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on January 24, 2015, 03:37:05 PM
*waves*
Time spent reading instead of here is ok (sick or at work, not, hehe)
It has been quite quiet, actually...

I'm still bang in the middle of the Liveship Traders, and I'm having strange mixed feelings of wanting to read non-stop and wanting to drag the experience on, to get more from those characters. And wanting to slap Malta with a passion ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on January 24, 2015, 05:26:28 PM
Welcome back Jmacyk !


Don't leave the recharging cord next Time  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on January 24, 2015, 08:04:34 PM
And wanting to slap Malta with a passion ;D

My mother-in-law is from Malta.  Keep your hands to yourself.   >:( ;D hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on January 24, 2015, 11:04:35 PM
I'm back posting after a few week absence. I will blame leaving the recharging cord for my iPad up in Maine at my dads house.  I cN also blame being sick, working crazy hours, paying attention to my wife and reading the Mistborn Trilogy (not a form of paying attention to my wife).  I do feel as though I sort of walked out on some friends without so much as a see you in a bit.  And here I am saying I'm back did you miss me?

There was, however, the relaxing bit ???? where I wasn't checking for new posts every five minutes. ????
Glad to see you back and posting, mate.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on January 25, 2015, 09:38:33 AM
There's still the writing contest waiting for your entry, Jmacyk. ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on January 25, 2015, 11:14:20 AM
There's still the writing contest
Reminder to self: go read December's to vote!



Random question:
When someone says that they basically read in bed at night before going to sleep, how much do you think they mean? In time or pages?
I'd like some answers before I share my understanding, to confirm if I've been wrong all along...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on January 25, 2015, 11:36:55 AM
There's still the writing contest waiting for your entry, Jmacyk. ;)

Topic: science fiction.
Title: Mourning Trade
Question: Does the hero outwit the Newcomers, or actually lose?  And if outwit, army-hidden-in-foxholes? or unexpected-dragon?

Coming back to my unfinished start after several weeks, I'm just not sure.  And the clock is ticking to get in my entry...  :-\
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on January 25, 2015, 07:15:43 PM
Random question:
When someone says that they basically read in bed at night before going to sleep, how much do you think they mean? In time or pages?
I'd like some answers before I share my understanding, to confirm if I've been wrong all along...

For me personally, it depends on the book. If it's an interesting book, it might be as long as I can possibly manage while still getting enough sleep for work the next day. If not, it might be to the next chapter. If it's in between, like say a book where I care about some characters but not others, it might be until I reach the next unlikeable character's chapter. In early Liveship, that might mean a Malta chapter  ;).
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on January 25, 2015, 07:33:18 PM
In early Liveship, that might mean a Malta chapter  ;).

"early"? you mean she gets better, hehe? I'm halfway through Mad Ship and as I wrote in another thread, everytime she shows up I want to slap her, hard ;D

(and thanks for replying, I'll wait for others before saying)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on January 25, 2015, 07:41:12 PM
In early Liveship, that might mean a Malta chapter  ;).

"early"? you mean she gets better, hehe? I'm halfway through Mad Ship and as I wrote in another thread, everytime she shows up I want to slap her, hard ;D

(and thanks for replying, I'll wait for others before saying)

Or maybe she dies, or maybe she's just dead to me. You'll have to read and find out  ;)  (It's also possible I forgot which character Malta is, and after reading your other post assumed it was the character I'm thinking of).
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on January 25, 2015, 08:06:11 PM
I hate Malta. >:(

Didn't stop me enjoying reading her chapters though. She does grow, but I resented her to the bitter end. More because I refused to like her no matter what happened than because she doesn't have redeeming qualities...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on January 25, 2015, 09:28:45 PM
Random question:
When someone says that they basically read in bed at night before going to sleep, how much do you think they mean? In time or pages?
I'd like some answers before I share my understanding, to confirm if I've been wrong all along...

Hmmm.. "basically read in bed", as in they don't read at any other time?  Not my m.o.
But, I do read in bed while my wife is getting ready.  Takes me 5 minutes, takes her 30.
Once in a while, if it's the weekend and I'm getting to the really good part, I keep reading while she turns over.
Sorry, TMI?  8)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on January 25, 2015, 10:35:50 PM
There's still the writing contest
Reminder to self: go read December's to vote!



Random question:
When someone says that they basically read in bed at night before going to sleep, how much do you think they mean? In time or pages?
I'd like some answers before I share my understanding, to confirm if I've been wrong all along...
It tends to vary with me. Generally at least a chapter and depending on how tired I am or how interesting the book is it may be 5 or 6 or more.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on January 25, 2015, 11:01:17 PM
I really like Malta, and I think her being so awful in the first two books really made me like her more because I saw her grow up.

Just read an essay by Pratchett which blew my mind. The size of the characters in Wind in the Willows is constantly changing. I never thought of it but it's true. At times they are the same size as a woodland animal and so live inside trees and holes but at other times they are the same size as humans and drive cars!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on January 26, 2015, 08:02:47 AM
I really like Malta, and I think her being so awful in the first two books really made me like her more because I saw her grow up.
>:( *fingers on ears* lalalala No spoilers, please!

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and drive cars!
No, you don't get it, they are *special* cars - toad- and mole- size, of course, not human size ;D ;)

Not growing up in England, I never had that story read to me when I was little (or read it myself). I actually think I ended up reading first the 2 sequels that William Horwood wrote in the 90s (I think), and only then the original. Can't say I found much differences though, lovely stories :) Must have been at about the same time I discovered Redwall, hehe


And about the 'reading in bed'. It's just that when I say that, people imagine a couple of pages or 5 minutes only! For me it's minimum half an hour, usually 45 mins, can go up to 1 hour or more until I realise I'm going to be dead waking up for work the next morning hehe
I'm glad to see that others can do the same!

And funny how you mentions chapters, Elfy - my parents still comment that when I was little and they went to my room to say "lights out, girls", I always asked "just let me read until the end of the chapter" ;D
Nowadays that can be hard, in the books that have gigantic chapters hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on January 26, 2015, 11:33:23 AM
Talking about lights out and parents...

My parents had a deal with us three boys: Read 1 real book each month, get one comic book each month.

 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Big comic book collection.

And a moral high ground of sorts for: "Just til the end of the chapter?!"
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: DrNefario on January 26, 2015, 01:16:50 PM
For me it's minimum half an hour, usually 45 mins, can go up to 1 hour or more until I realise I'm going to be dead waking up for work the next morning hehe
I'm glad to see that others can do the same!
About the same for me, I think. I'm normally aiming to allow myself half an hour to 45 minutes. Sometimes I will go to bed earlier and/or read way too late into the night if I'm reading something good. Or if I'm very busy and haven't made it to bed early enough I might only read a few pages.

I usually also read in the morning at weekends.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on January 26, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
I usually also read in the morning at weekends.

One of the great things in life: waking up on a weekend, going to make breakfast, bringing it back to bed to eat, and reading for about an hour ;D
(the thing I immediately reclaimed as a treat after becoming single again, hehe)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on January 26, 2015, 06:37:30 PM
Random question:
When someone says that they basically read in bed at night before going to sleep, how much do you think they mean? In time or pages?
I'd like some answers before I share my understanding, to confirm if I've been wrong all along...

When I read in bed before going to sleep I usually read for about 30 minutes or so (obviously not stopping in the middle of a chapter).  There have definitely been times where I intend to only read for those 30 minutes, get into a good part (or maybe come to finish and just want to finish) where I'm up a lot longer than that.  I'm not someone who can just fall asleep instantly, it takes me a bit of time to wind down and I find reading helps me to do that more than just watching TV.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on January 26, 2015, 06:58:43 PM
I sometimes really find it hard to sleep  :( on the plus side more reading time  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on January 26, 2015, 10:53:38 PM

And funny how you mentions chapters, Elfy - my parents still comment that when I was little and they went to my room to say "lights out, girls", I always asked "just let me read until the end of the chapter" ;D
Nowadays that can be hard, in the books that have gigantic chapters hehe
I think I was much the same as a kid. My wife teases me because I have this thing about not closing the book until I get to the end of whatever chapter I'm reading. It's a real bugger with Pratchett's because he doesn't have chapters.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on January 27, 2015, 01:56:43 AM
And funny how you mentions chapters, Elfy - my parents still comment that when I was little and they went to my room to say "lights out, girls", I always asked "just let me read until the end of the chapter" ;D
Nowadays that can be hard, in the books that have gigantic chapters hehe

And when the lights went out that's when you brought out your "hidden" flashlight and kept on reading.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lejays17 on January 27, 2015, 10:41:53 AM

And funny how you mentions chapters, Elfy - my parents still comment that when I was little and they went to my room to say "lights out, girls", I always asked "just let me read until the end of the chapter" ;D
Nowadays that can be hard, in the books that have gigantic chapters hehe
I think I was much the same as a kid. My wife teases me because I have this thing about not closing the book until I get to the end of whatever chapter I'm reading. It's a real bugger with Pratchett's because he doesn't have chapters.

Yep, and I know it worries you that I'll read til I'm tired (or whatever) and then just close the book and whatever point I'm up to.  Not waiting to the end of the chapter (or even the end of a paragraph sometimes  ;D)

I can read in bed for the best part of the night if I'm really enjoying the book.  And in the morning on weekends too if we don't have anything particular to do in the morning.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on January 27, 2015, 06:00:02 PM
I really like Malta, and I think her being so awful in the first two books really made me like her more because I saw her grow up.
>:( *fingers on ears* lalalala No spoilers, please!

Quote
and drive cars!
No, you don't get it, they are *special* cars - toad- and mole- size, of course, not human size ;D ;)

Not growing up in England, I never had that story read to me when I was little (or read it myself). I actually think I ended up reading first the 2 sequels that William Horwood wrote in the 90s (I think), and only then the original. Can't say I found much differences though, lovely stories :) Must have been at about the same time I discovered Redwall, hehe


And about the 'reading in bed'. It's just that when I say that, people imagine a couple of pages or 5 minutes only! For me it's minimum half an hour, usually 45 mins, can go up to 1 hour or more until I realise I'm going to be dead waking up for work the next morning hehe
I'm glad to see that others can do the same!

And funny how you mentions chapters, Elfy - my parents still comment that when I was little and they went to my room to say "lights out, girls", I always asked "just let me read until the end of the chapter" ;D
Nowadays that can be hard, in the books that have gigantic chapters hehe

Sorry about the spoiler. I thought you had finished! My bad! But Toad steals a car from the humans so it's not a special toad size car ...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: DDRRead on January 27, 2015, 06:48:47 PM
I think also there's a difference between the US and the UK idea of a vest - in that Americans have these sweater vest things (they look cute and I want one) which go over a shirt, and British people have vests as a sort of extra layer of warmth under your normal clothes. And they are less appealing.

We have the sweater vests in the UK, but we call them Tank Tops and they've been more or less out of fashion since the 70's (in the UK that is).

Back to the OP, in theory peasants ruling nobles is kinda what democracy is/should be? :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on January 27, 2015, 07:49:46 PM
Back to the OP, in theory peasants ruling nobles is kinda what democracy is/should be? :P

Wow.  There was an OP?!
Hmm... I don't think many of the U.S. "founding fathers" would have aligned with the idea that in democracy the peasants rule the nobles.  (Though that shouldn't be the great yardstick of what democracy should be.)

But, as you say, back to the OP:
[/quote]
For all those little things about Fantasy books that don't fit anywhere else but also don't really deserve a thread of their own...
2. Usually worlds with 'nobles' and 'peasants' end up having the nobles ruling the peasants. Is there a book that turns this upside down, peasants ruling the nobles? Or are the words almost a prison, in that they imply the usual order?

Mistborn book 3 deals with this to some degree.  I do think it shows the problem with the concept of peasants ruling nobles: this would be a temporary situation and the result of a revolution.  Eventually a new order would be established. 

Would North Korea be another fantasy world in which the peasants rule the nobles? ;D  Hopefully temporary too.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on February 03, 2015, 12:12:09 PM
Another musing:

I was thinking that many years ago I told myself I'd like to find/chat with people who also read a lot... then some years later I restricted my wish and thought 'who also read fantasy'.

I eventually found F-F via a recommendation, but now I'm realising that the exact same variety in tastes from the whole wide world exists within the specific fantasy readers hehe:
Things I loved are dismissed by others... books I found boring are praised to high heavens by others... details I thought were really interesting are viewed as banal and annoying by others...

It's so fun ;D
And I just need to think this 'fun' thought, and not get annoyed or disappointed.

(and not book related: I've been so tired and so cold all the time - well, at work I'm too hot, stupid heating people -  :-\)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on February 03, 2015, 11:06:04 PM
Another musing:

I was thinking that many years ago I told myself I'd like to find/chat with people who also read a lot... then some years later I restricted my wish and thought 'who also read fantasy'.

I eventually found F-F via a recommendation, but now I'm realising that the exact same variety in tastes from the whole wide world exists within the specific fantasy readers hehe:
Things I loved are dismissed by others... books I found boring are praised to high heavens by others... details I thought were really interesting are viewed as banal and annoying by others...

It's so fun ;D
And I just need to think this 'fun' thought, and not get annoyed or disappointed.

(and not book related: I've been so tired and so cold all the time - well, at work I'm too hot, stupid heating people -  :-\)
That's one of the great things about a forum like this, all the differing viewpoints.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on February 22, 2015, 03:51:04 PM
After telling a fellow member that I finally admitted I much prefer to read finished trilogies, it matches the way my brain works*, and that I'd probably only read the '2015 anticipated books' next year, I decided to go to the 2013 best and the 2014 'anticipated books' list to get ideas (readers' choice).
Then I started seeing very recognisable names...
And finally I decided to compare the 30 names in last year's list with the 'best of 2014' list ;D

Out of the 30(31) books in the 'anticipated' list, 22 made it to the 'best of 2014' :D
And I think that at least 3(4) of the original list haven't been published yet (or have just been published this month), so didn't count.

Does this mean 'we' (who voted initially) know what we like and aren't surprised anymore, or do we unconsciously work within a restricted field, and don't go around looking for other fantasy books?
And would a book have to be really really bad, to be included in the 'anticipated' and then not on the 'best'?

---------------
* Note: I realise this isn't a very good thing for authors, they need sales, but sorry, I'm just one person. And I'll still make an exception for special people... or when I don't know the series isn't finished yet, hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on February 22, 2015, 04:18:23 PM
I think the adage -- so many books, so little time -- comes into play big-time.
I have no time to go hunting for new books, and limited money.  The local library is a random walk at best. In Books-a-Million and Barnes & Noble, I end up judging by the cover   :o
So I rely on F-F, Amazon and book awards to point me to new (and old) books.

I think you're right: we draw from a limited pool.  That's an effect of how information travels (see above), but maybe also the effect of excellence.  Should it surprise us that there's a limited pool of excellence in Fantasy, just like a limited pool of people able to be professional athletes?  The question might be, how do we find those diamonds in the rough, or the ones who just aren't getting the marketing and don't know how to do it themselves.

@Arry (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8809) and others have review sites.  I've thought it would be interesting to have a review site for self-pub and low profile books.  But... so many books, so little time  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Arry on February 22, 2015, 05:46:14 PM
Out of the 30(31) books in the 'anticipated' list, 22 made it to the 'best of 2014' :D
And I think that at least 3(4) of the original list haven't been published yet (or have just been published this month), so didn't count.

Does this mean 'we' (who voted initially) know what we like and aren't surprised anymore, or do we unconsciously work within a restricted field, and don't go around looking for other fantasy books?
And would a book have to be really really bad, to be included in the 'anticipated' and then not on the 'best'?
Keep in mind, there were actually 2 anticipated lists for 2014. One by readers (that is the one you referred to), but another by publishers. It's definitely worth watching what publishers think will be worth reading (I know they may have some self interest here, but come on, they also love great books, and if they single out some of the books they have coming out that they think should not be missed, they are worth checking out).

Also, the anticipated list had 30 or 31 books, but the Best of List had 50. That right there means there were at least 20 books that were not on the anticipated list that made the Best of List.

All that aside, I completely understand what you are saying. But then, if I can only read so many books a year, I am definitely reading the ones I am anticipating.  Or least I really hope I will. If 80% of the books I read I had marked 'anticipated', then there is a great chance they will make my best of list.

I have been trying to make more of an effort to find books beyond just the mainstream favorites. If you don't have time to read everything, the best thing to do is to find other readers/bloggers whose tastes seem most in line with your own. Ultimately though, if you like what you read, does it matter? :)

I've thought it would be interesting to have a review site for self-pub and low profile books.  But... so many books, so little time  :P
There probably are sites like this. I know some of the blogs I follow review a variety of self published and low profile books along with the more typical choices. Of course, there's always room for more. I think its a great idea, and I'd be happy to see someone do it (I'm just too selfish a reader to do it myself.)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Arry on February 22, 2015, 05:54:23 PM
So I rely on F-F, Amazon and book awards to point me to new (and old) books.

Amazon recommendations are horrible. You should check out Goodreads if you haven't already, I get much better recommendations there. I also have friended a good number of readers on the site with similar taste and have found books based on what they have read/rated.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on February 22, 2015, 06:51:58 PM
So I rely on F-F, Amazon and book awards to point me to new (and old) books.

Amazon recommendations are horrible. You should check out Goodreads if you haven't already, I get much better recommendations there. I also have friended a good number of readers on the site with similar taste and have found books based on what they have read/rated.

I agree with Arry, go the Goodreads thread  :)  mind you it could do with updating as some members are no longer active in F-F maybe we could do a new Goodreads topic and Library thing topic

http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/general-discussion/goodreads/
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on February 22, 2015, 07:20:17 PM
Ultimately though, if you like what you read, does it matter? :)

No, of course not, and thanks for the replies.
I just found it interesting, and to be honest, hadn't really noticed the total number of books was different :-[

As for Jmacyk's comments about low-profile books, I was wondering... maybe many of the books that we talk and review and comment on here are actually low profile for the 'general population' - many I can't find in the library or Waterstone's. Maybe F-F is already doing quite a lot to increase their profile, no?

Of course, there's always going to be even more low-profile. Or stuff out there we don't talk about...
For example, I love the Glass Thorns series from Melanie Rawn, which I discovere just browsing Waterstone's, and that was never really discussed here. Or G.W.Dahlquist trilogy, still one of my ever favourites.
Maybe we shouldn't be afraid of starting threads to talk about 'other books' hehe - or speaking for myself, pay more attention to the 'what did you read in month X' ;)

Today I created a special "wishlist fantasy" on LibraryThing: it's got 20 books, and I refuse to add more to keep my brain manageable hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on March 02, 2015, 06:26:03 PM
I've just finished a Novel written by three authors and I've read novels written by two authors but was wondering how it works?  I'm just being nosy  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 02, 2015, 06:45:19 PM
Good question! I wonder too...
I'm not a writer, but I'm very much a control freak hehe, and would really like to know.
:)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 02, 2015, 07:17:30 PM
There are a few ways that you can do it - my partner and I have a way that works pretty well for us.

We come up with ideas by talking about stuff together, which works extremely well. I think pretty much all writers will do this to some extent, but there's a slight advantage when the person you're discussing things with has as clear an understanding of how writing works as you do. We then take it in turns writing the different drafts, as well as chatting things through when one of us gets a bit stuck.

Another way that is pretty popular from what I can tell is handling one point of view character each. That way each character will probably have a very distinctive voice, which is a pretty big advantage.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Doctor_Chill on March 02, 2015, 07:29:11 PM
Another way that is pretty popular from what I can tell is handling one point of view character each. That way each character will probably have a very distinctive voice, which is a pretty big advantage.

Yeah, I'm going to be working on a 3-man (well 2 guys, 1 gal) work this summer where we each use our own POV character to tell a story. Nothing fancy, but we've already started laying out the big ideas, themes, characterization, and whatnot beforehand. Preparation and plotting is key for this venture undoubtedly.

I respect any author that can work with another and produce something remarkable from that. It's hard to find somebody that "clicks" with what you want, let alone your writing style.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 02, 2015, 08:24:38 PM
Another way that is pretty popular from what I can tell is handling one point of view character each. That way each character will probably have a very distinctive voice, which is a pretty big advantage.

Yeah, I'm going to be working on a 3-man (well 2 guys, 1 gal) work this summer where we each use our own POV character to tell a story. Nothing fancy, but we've already started laying out the big ideas, themes, characterization, and whatnot beforehand. Preparation and plotting is key for this venture undoubtedly.

I respect any author that can work with another and produce something remarkable from that. It's hard to find somebody that "clicks" with what you want, let alone your writing style.
Sounds like an interesting project! Are you working out a plot together beforehand or just taking it in random directions as you go?

Yeah it's pretty rare. We've worked together on stuff for years now so we're a great team, the remaining question is whether we can write anything good!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 02, 2015, 09:51:38 PM
I've just finished a Novel written by three authors and I've read novels written by two authors but was wondering how it works?  I'm just being nosy  :)
The Gnole, which I'm currently reading has 3 author credits, but it's got a lot of illustration and at least two of the authors are also artists, so I figure that's where they came in. I can't recall too many triple author books, but I'm reading Black & White which is by two ladies and the way the book is structured with alternating PoV's I think they assigned a character to each other to write their story and then fitted them together. The first of the Cecelia and Kate books by Caroline Stevermer and Patricia Wrede was written in epistolary form and it started as a version of the letter game between the authors.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Saraband on March 03, 2015, 09:04:58 AM
I've just finished a Novel written by three authors and I've read novels written by two authors but was wondering how it works?  I'm just being nosy  :)

I also wondered the same thing when I read the same book you just did, The Steel Seraglio (or The City of Silk and Steel in other editions). I find it hard to understand, as I see writing as a very selfish process, in a sense that the author really must be a control-freak of his own story. With that particular book, there's the added variable of the various authors being family members, which I don't know if it would help or make things even harder.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Yora on March 03, 2015, 03:18:05 PM
On a roleplaying game forum I asked people to get together and create the Ultimate Retro-Pulp Fantasy Setting by simply throwing in any cool cliche and stereotype they can think of. This very quickly became really damn cool and now I am thinking what kinds of stories I could write for that world.  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on March 14, 2015, 05:31:22 PM
I quite enjoyed reading the first bit of the discussion with all the language complications. Where I come from we "officially" use British English but most of what we get on TV is American English. Plus a lot of the books are also in American English. It tought me sort of to ignore all the funny/confusing meanings of words. And don't even get me started on the other versions of English that you get here. Luckily the people here tend to speak slow when they speak English so there is time to "interpret" it to yourself, not like when I got to America and couldn't follow anything the lady in the airport said.

And then there is also the differences in spelling - the 'ou' in colour or just an 'o' (color), using 's' in stead of 'z'. Makes teaching spelling to kids realy hard, because the books they read and the way they have to write is not in the same English.

So we have both camisole and vest for the thing you wear under your shirt. Then you have the shirt which is pretty straight forward. Then you get the waistcoat (or 'onderbaadjie' which is pretty much an "under-jacket") and then you get both a jacket and a blazer. I've never been able to figure out the difference between the blazer and jacket.

And then you probably get the most confusing one - the 'top'. That could be anything from a tank top, t-shirt, button up shirt, jersey, jacket or pullover.

So, that is my 50 cents of 'Globalisation and language'.

I came across Jell-o today in a novel I thought it was Jelly but I wasn't sure so I had to look it up haha im off to have Faggots (food)  and peas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_%28food%29 nah not really beans on toast for me  ;)

What do Americans call crisps?

I now a plaster is a band-aid, that sounds like a music charity thing   :)

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on March 14, 2015, 05:35:40 PM
I quite enjoyed reading the first bit of the discussion with all the language complications. Where I come from we "officially" use British English but most of what we get on TV is American English. Plus a lot of the books are also in American English. It tought me sort of to ignore all the funny/confusing meanings of words. And don't even get me started on the other versions of English that you get here. Luckily the people here tend to speak slow when they speak English so there is time to "interpret" it to yourself, not like when I got to America and couldn't follow anything the lady in the airport said.

And then there is also the differences in spelling - the 'ou' in colour or just an 'o' (color), using 's' in stead of 'z'. Makes teaching spelling to kids realy hard, because the books they read and the way they have to write is not in the same English.

So we have both camisole and vest for the thing you wear under your shirt. Then you have the shirt which is pretty straight forward. Then you get the waistcoat (or 'onderbaadjie' which is pretty much an "under-jacket") and then you get both a jacket and a blazer. I've never been able to figure out the difference between the blazer and jacket.

And then you probably get the most confusing one - the 'top'. That could be anything from a tank top, t-shirt, button up shirt, jersey, jacket or pullover.

So, that is my 50 cents of 'Globalisation and language'.

I came across Jell-o today in a novel I thought it was Jelly but I wasn't sure so I had to look it up haha im off to have Faggots (food)  and peas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_%28food%29 nah not really beans on toast for me  ;)

What do Americans call crisps?

I now a plaster is a band-aid, that sounds like a music charity thing   :)
Crisps are chips.  Chips are fries  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on March 14, 2015, 05:39:04 PM
I quite enjoyed reading the first bit of the discussion with all the language complications. Where I come from we "officially" use British English but most of what we get on TV is American English. Plus a lot of the books are also in American English. It tought me sort of to ignore all the funny/confusing meanings of words. And don't even get me started on the other versions of English that you get here. Luckily the people here tend to speak slow when they speak English so there is time to "interpret" it to yourself, not like when I got to America and couldn't follow anything the lady in the airport said.

And then there is also the differences in spelling - the 'ou' in colour or just an 'o' (color), using 's' in stead of 'z'. Makes teaching spelling to kids realy hard, because the books they read and the way they have to write is not in the same English.

So we have both camisole and vest for the thing you wear under your shirt. Then you have the shirt which is pretty straight forward. Then you get the waistcoat (or 'onderbaadjie' which is pretty much an "under-jacket") and then you get both a jacket and a blazer. I've never been able to figure out the difference between the blazer and jacket.

And then you probably get the most confusing one - the 'top'. That could be anything from a tank top, t-shirt, button up shirt, jersey, jacket or pullover.

So, that is my 50 cents of 'Globalisation and language'.

I came across Jell-o today in a novel I thought it was Jelly but I wasn't sure so I had to look it up haha im off to have Faggots (food)  and peas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_%28food%29 nah not really beans on toast for me  ;)

What do Americans call crisps?

I now a plaster is a band-aid, that sounds like a music charity thing   :)
Crisps are chips.  Chips are fries  ;D

Can I have Cod and Fries please go easy on the vinegar  :) and  A battered sausage
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 14, 2015, 05:54:21 PM
Crisps are chips.  Chips are fries  ;D
My little sisters, who grew up in Australia, use those terms. Drives me up the wall.  >:(
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 14, 2015, 10:15:47 PM
Crisps are chips.  Chips are fries  ;D
My little sisters, who grew up in Australia, use those terms. Drives me up the wall.  >:(
We call them both chips down here. People generally know what you're talking about though. It's not like you can order potato chips with your flake at the fish and chip shop. Little by bit, though chips are being Americanised to fries.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 15, 2015, 12:21:15 AM
Crisps are chips.  Chips are fries  ;D
My little sisters, who grew up in Australia, use those terms. Drives me up the wall.  >:(
We call them both chips down here. People generally know what you're talking about though. It's not like you can order potato chips with your flake at the fish and chip shop. Little by bit, though chips are being Americanised to fries.
Weird, wonder why my sisters call them fries then. They're from Perth though, so it could be a bit different...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 15, 2015, 12:33:24 AM
Crisps are chips.  Chips are fries  ;D
My little sisters, who grew up in Australia, use those terms. Drives me up the wall.  >:(
We call them both chips down here. People generally know what you're talking about though. It's not like you can order potato chips with your flake at the fish and chip shop. Little by bit, though chips are being Americanised to fries.
Weird, wonder why my sisters call them fries then. They're from Perth though, so it could be a bit different...
Oh they're from Perth? Well, that explains a lot. Fries are what you get at McDonalds and Hungry Jacks (which is called Burger King everywhere else in the world), but you get chips everywhere else.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 15, 2015, 12:36:36 AM
Crisps are chips.  Chips are fries  ;D
My little sisters, who grew up in Australia, use those terms. Drives me up the wall.  >:(
We call them both chips down here. People generally know what you're talking about though. It's not like you can order potato chips with your flake at the fish and chip shop. Little by bit, though chips are being Americanised to fries.
Weird, wonder why my sisters call them fries then. They're from Perth though, so it could be a bit different...
Oh they're from Perth? Well, that explains a lot. Fries are what you get at McDonalds and Hungry Jacks (which is called Burger King everywhere else in the world), but you get chips everywhere else.
Yeah, off in the middle of nowhere  :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 15, 2015, 04:37:26 AM
I wouldn't call Perth in the middle of nowhere, but WA is a huge state and is composed mostly of desert. The coast is very nice, though, especially when you get up as far as Broome.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 15, 2015, 05:02:59 AM
I wouldn't call Perth in the middle of nowhere, but WA is a huge state and is composed mostly of desert. The coast is very nice, though, especially when you get up as far as Broome.
Yeah I wasn't being serious, it's a fairly big city and parts of the WA coast are pretty populated. It's a beautiful place though. I haven't been far outside Perth, just down to Bunbury/Busselton.

Wish we could move over there, there's a load of things about it that we'd love, but visas are difficult. If only I had asked to live with my dad for a year when I was a kid, I'd have dual nationality... Finland is great, but it'd be nice to have other options that are as nice.  :(
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lejays17 on March 15, 2015, 05:12:19 AM
I wouldn't call Perth in the middle of nowhere, but WA is a huge state and is composed mostly of desert. The coast is very nice, though, especially when you get up as far as Broome.
Yeah I wasn't being serious, it's a fairly big city and parts of the WA coast are pretty populated. It's a beautiful place though. I haven't been far outside Perth, just down to Bunbury/Busselton.

Wish we could move over there, there's a load of things about it that we'd love, but visas are difficult. If only I had asked to live with my dad for a year when I was a kid, I'd have dual nationality... Finland is great, but it'd be nice to have other options that are as nice.  :(

Perth is a very beautiful city, but it's so far from everywhere else  :)  Small example - when elfy & I went to Broome, it took longer to fly from Perth to Broome (about 3/4 way up the coast) than it did from Perth to Melbourne (on the other side of the country)

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 15, 2015, 05:41:40 AM
I wouldn't call Perth in the middle of nowhere, but WA is a huge state and is composed mostly of desert. The coast is very nice, though, especially when you get up as far as Broome.
Yeah I wasn't being serious, it's a fairly big city and parts of the WA coast are pretty populated. It's a beautiful place though. I haven't been far outside Perth, just down to Bunbury/Busselton.

Wish we could move over there, there's a load of things about it that we'd love, but visas are difficult. If only I had asked to live with my dad for a year when I was a kid, I'd have dual nationality... Finland is great, but it'd be nice to have other options that are as nice.  :(

Perth is a very beautiful city, but it's so far from everywhere else  :)  Small example - when elfy & I went to Broome, it took longer to fly from Perth to Broome (about 3/4 way up the coast) than it did from Perth to Melbourne (on the other side of the country)
To try and put it into some sort of perspective for people. My taekwondo instructor some years ago took a team from Melbourne to a tournament in Perth and he only wanted people who were really serious about it as he wasn't taking a team the equivalent distance of London to Moscow for them to embarrass themselves and him.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 15, 2015, 08:07:19 AM
Perth is a very beautiful city, but it's so far from everywhere else  :)  Small example - when elfy & I went to Broome, it took longer to fly from Perth to Broome (about 3/4 way up the coast) than it did from Perth to Melbourne (on the other side of the country)
To try and put it into some sort of perspective for people. My taekwondo instructor some years ago took a team from Melbourne to a tournament in Perth and he only wanted people who were really serious about it as he wasn't taking a team the equivalent distance of London to Moscow for them to embarrass themselves and him.
Yeah it's crazy when you put it like that, especially to someone who lives somewhere like Europe  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on March 15, 2015, 09:08:53 AM
Crisps are chips.  Chips are fries  ;D
My little sisters, who grew up in Australia, use those terms. Drives me up the wall.  >:(
We call them both chips down here. People generally know what you're talking about though. It's not like you can order potato chips with your flake at the fish and chip shop. Little by bit, though chips are being Americanised to fries.

Hold on you put Flakes in you chips?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flake_%28chocolate_bar%29 it's chocolate here  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on March 15, 2015, 10:33:54 AM
Hold on you put Flakes in you chips?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flake_%28chocolate_bar%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flake_%28chocolate_bar%29) it's chocolate here  :)

I think he means this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flake_%28fish%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flake_%28fish%29)
Maybe?

But those little differences in words and their meanings between Australia and the UK/US are really funny sometimes. Still New Zealand wins with their chilly bin. (That's a cooler/ice box.)  ;D

I wouldn't call Perth in the middle of nowhere, but WA is a huge state and is composed mostly of desert. The coast is very nice, though, especially when you get up as far as Broome.
Yeah I wasn't being serious, it's a fairly big city and parts of the WA coast are pretty populated. It's a beautiful place though. I haven't been far outside Perth, just down to Bunbury/Busselton.

Wish we could move over there, there's a load of things about it that we'd love, but visas are difficult. If only I had asked to live with my dad for a year when I was a kid, I'd have dual nationality... Finland is great, but it'd be nice to have other options that are as nice.  :(

I too at times think it would be nice to live in a warmer place, like Australia, but then there are mornings like today: A little over an hour of cross-country skiing (skating) over snowy fields in beautiful, nearly blinding sunshine. There was a good crust on the snow so it carried the skis perfectly. Actually, you could have ran on the snow without breaking through the crust.

So yeah, I think i need my Finnish winters.  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 15, 2015, 10:54:04 AM
I wouldn't call Perth in the middle of nowhere, but WA is a huge state and is composed mostly of desert. The coast is very nice, though, especially when you get up as far as Broome.
Yeah I wasn't being serious, it's a fairly big city and parts of the WA coast are pretty populated. It's a beautiful place though. I haven't been far outside Perth, just down to Bunbury/Busselton.

Wish we could move over there, there's a load of things about it that we'd love, but visas are difficult. If only I had asked to live with my dad for a year when I was a kid, I'd have dual nationality... Finland is great, but it'd be nice to have other options that are as nice.  :(

I too at times think it would be nice to live in a warmer place, like Australia, but then there are mornings like today: A little over an hour of cross-country skiing (skating) over snowy fields in beautiful, nearly blinding sunshine. There was a good crust on the snow so it carried the skis perfectly. Actually, you could have ran on the snow without breaking through the crust.

So yeah, I think i need my Finnish winters.  :)
Nice! It's very much feeling like spring already down here, snow's already gone.

The winters are gorgeous over here, and actually I love the summer too. Especially how light and warm it is at night, great for going on walks along the coast and stuff like that. Sunrise and sunset lasting several hours is great for photography too  :D Autumn and spring are great over here too, it's weird having actual seasons.

I could probably live with Perth's eternal summer though, more for the convenience of never needing to wrap up with layers and layers of clothes. Anything other than the 11.5 months of grey skies + 2 weeks of tentative sunshine in Manchester  :-\
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lejays17 on March 15, 2015, 11:20:09 AM
Hold on you put Flakes in you chips?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flake_%28chocolate_bar%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flake_%28chocolate_bar%29) it's chocolate here  :)

I think he means this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flake_%28fish%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flake_%28fish%29)
Maybe?

Yes, that's right - flake in the Fish & Chip sense is a variety of shark.  You can ask for other types of fish in the Fish & Chips, but flake (in Victoria at least) is the default variety.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Arry on March 15, 2015, 12:14:11 PM
To try and put it into some sort of perspective for people. My taekwondo instructor some years ago took a team from Melbourne to a tournament in Perth and he only wanted people who were really serious about it as he wasn't taking a team the equivalent distance of London to Moscow for them to embarrass themselves and him.
Yeah it's crazy when you put it like that, especially to someone who lives somewhere like Europe  :P
To put a U.S. perspective on its (where I can travel  over 3000 miles without leaving the country) that distance is just a little more than NYC to Denver, CO (less than  NYC to Salt Lake City, UT). :D
Title: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on March 15, 2015, 12:19:01 PM
I'm surprised @Elfy hasn't brought up biscuits yet... :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 15, 2015, 04:08:06 PM
. Anything other than the 11.5 months of grey skies + 2 weeks of tentative sunshine in Manchester  :-\

That isn't really that true, hehe
Are you really in Manchester? I'm across the Pennines, about 45 min away :)
(not now hehe now I'm looking at bright sunny skies, temperature of about 18 degrees ;D)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 15, 2015, 04:11:30 PM
. Anything other than the 11.5 months of grey skies + 2 weeks of tentative sunshine in Manchester  :-\

That isn't really that true, hehe
Are you really in Manchester? I'm across the Pennines, about 45 min away :)
(not now hehe now I'm looking at bright sunny skies, temperature of about 18 degrees ;D )
Not any more, I grew up in Manchester but moved to Helsinki a couple of years ago. Over here it feels like living in Center Parcs, so much nature even though I'm in the middle of a city  :D

And yeah, Manchester's weather isn't as bad as its reputation, but it really is noticeably worse than either Helsinki or Perth (the two places I've spent most time in outside of the UK)  ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 15, 2015, 04:19:00 PM
Oh right - I loved Helsinki when I visited, about 8 years ago. Lovely feel of small city, even though it's a capital.
 :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 15, 2015, 04:30:15 PM
Oh right - I loved Helsinki when I visited, about 8 years ago. Lovely feel of small city, even though it's a capital.
 :)
Yeah it's great, the center is nice but the area we live in is even nicer. You can actually see our building on this:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8146/7364600930_0288293c8b_h.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on March 15, 2015, 04:35:20 PM
Oh right - I loved Helsinki when I visited, about 8 years ago. Lovely feel of small city, even though it's a capital.
 :)
Yeah it's great, the center is nice but the area we live in is even nicer. You can actually see our building on this:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8146/7364600930_0288293c8b_h.jpg)
I don't believe you. I see no evidence of twin pyramids or a spaceship for two-headed aliens. This is not your building, you don't live in Helsinki. This is all very clever misdirection about your true nature(s).
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 15, 2015, 04:39:01 PM
Oh right - I loved Helsinki when I visited, about 8 years ago. Lovely feel of small city, even though it's a capital.
 :)
Yeah it's great, the center is nice but the area we live in is even nicer. You can actually see our building on this:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8146/7364600930_0288293c8b_h.jpg)
I don't believe you. I see no evidence of twin pyramids or a spaceship for two-headed aliens. This is not your building, you don't live in Helsinki. This is all very clever misdirection about your true nature(s).

Weeell... there is this (a little to the left of that photo):

(http://cdn.advisor.travel/322x435px-b0ca2745e32fbfdf09c7d45b7d2a7092.jpg)

They even light it up from underneath at night. Think it's a restaurant. Totally not a cover or anything (http://www.redcafe.net/img/smilies/nervous.gif)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on March 15, 2015, 04:44:54 PM
Oh right - I loved Helsinki when I visited, about 8 years ago. Lovely feel of small city, even though it's a capital.
 :)
Yeah it's great, the center is nice but the area we live in is even nicer. You can actually see our building on this:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8146/7364600930_0288293c8b_h.jpg)
I don't believe you. I see no evidence of twin pyramids or a spaceship for two-headed aliens. This is not your building, you don't live in Helsinki. This is all very clever misdirection about your true nature(s).

Weeell... there is this (a little to the left of that photo):

(http://cdn.advisor.travel/322x435px-b0ca2745e32fbfdf09c7d45b7d2a7092.jpg)

They even light it up from underneath at night. Think it's a restaurant. Totally not a cover or anything (http://www.redcafe.net/img/smilies/nervous.gif)
Now that's what I'm talkin' about!
Raptori vehicle.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 15, 2015, 04:52:11 PM
Now that's what I'm talkin' about!
Raptori vehicle.
*RaptorSaur vehicle (my partner's nickname = Saurus).

We do actually call that "the alien ship" whenever we take a bus ride past it... and it looks awesome at night with the light. Might have to take a photo of it some time  :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 16, 2015, 12:54:59 AM
I'm surprised @Elfy (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1153) hasn't brought up biscuits yet... :P
Don't start the biccies V scones argument again, xiagan. Depending on where you live, depends on what the default fish you get at the fish and chip shop is. In Victoria it's generally flake, NSW tend to favour Blue Grenadier. My Dad worked with an English bloke once and he tried to order fish and chips. In England you can order fish and chips and they just have a set serve with a default fish, or at least they did when George moved over to Australia. Anyway George asked for fish and chips and the chap serving him kept asking what sort of fish and how many chips. George kept getting madder and madder, until eventually my Dad stepped in and said, "He'll have a piece of flake and 50 cents worth of chips*, thanks mate."

*back then 50 cents got you a lot of chips. Now it varies from shop to shop, but the minimum at my local is $4.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 16, 2015, 06:13:35 PM
I can't stay away from F-F hehe
A bit online now, and here I am again ;D

Oh, last week I had a great thing/present from Mark Lawrence - as well as an amazing writer, he's an amazing person :D
(not sure if I should share details hehe)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on March 16, 2015, 06:32:45 PM
I can't stay away from F-F hehe
A bit online now, and here I am again ;D

Oh, last week I had a great thing/present from Mark Lawrence - as well as an amazing writer, he's an amazing person :D
(not sure if I should share details hehe)
Oh, you can't tease and not deliver!  >:(  ;)
Or you will earn my first jmack smite  ;D

And welcome back  :-*
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 16, 2015, 06:39:44 PM
Thanks, but I'm not back, I'm still in Portugal until Saturday hehe
But my parents are doing other things and I popped over hehe

And sorry, nope ;D I might tell you later... if/when I have some time, since you're not going to be in the Grim Gathering ;)
(noooo no smiting!!!)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 16, 2015, 11:32:14 PM
I want to know if @Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840) has anything to do with Helsinki's Worldcon bid? 2017 or is it 2016?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 17, 2015, 12:18:25 AM
I want to know if @Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840) has anything to do with Helsinki's Worldcon bid? 2017 or is it 2016?
Nope, nothing whatsoever - though maybe I should go since that would surely double the attendance, right?  :P

I noticed that there was one recently, about a year too late. Wasn't aware there was another one potentially coming up  :o
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 17, 2015, 12:35:35 AM
I want to know if @Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840) has anything to do with Helsinki's Worldcon bid? 2017 or is it 2016?
Nope, nothing whatsoever - though maybe I should go since that would surely double the attendance, right?  :P

I noticed that there was one recently, about a year too late. Wasn't aware there was another one potentially coming up  :o
Helsinki is getting a fair bit of love. I personally wouldn't go, it's too far and probably a bit too costly, but people do travel for Worldcons. London had quite a few non Brit attendees (Lejays17 and I were two of them, although we did fit it in and around an England holiday). If you have one that you can get too (we were lucky enough to have one in Melbourne in 2010 and it allowed plenty of people to experience a Worldcon) then you should do it.  I think using somewhere like Helsinki is a good move. It's called Worldcon, not USAcon, for a reason.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 17, 2015, 03:56:49 AM
I want to know if @Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840) has anything to do with Helsinki's Worldcon bid? 2017 or is it 2016?
Nope, nothing whatsoever - though maybe I should go since that would surely double the attendance, right?  :P

I noticed that there was one recently, about a year too late. Wasn't aware there was another one potentially coming up  :o
Helsinki is getting a fair bit of love. I personally wouldn't go, it's too far and probably a bit too costly, but people do travel for Worldcons. London had quite a few non Brit attendees (Lejays17 and I were two of them, although we did fit it in and around an England holiday). If you have one that you can get too (we were lucky enough to have one in Melbourne in 2010 and it allowed plenty of people to experience a Worldcon) then you should do it.  I think using somewhere like Helsinki is a good move. It's called Worldcon, not USAcon, for a reason.
Yeah it does sound like it could be a lot of fun. And since it's in 2017 that gives us a bit of time to get some serious writing done :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 17, 2015, 04:11:59 AM
I want to know if @Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840) has anything to do with Helsinki's Worldcon bid? 2017 or is it 2016?
Nope, nothing whatsoever - though maybe I should go since that would surely double the attendance, right?  :P

I noticed that there was one recently, about a year too late. Wasn't aware there was another one potentially coming up  :o
Helsinki is getting a fair bit of love. I personally wouldn't go, it's too far and probably a bit too costly, but people do travel for Worldcons. London had quite a few non Brit attendees (Lejays17 and I were two of them, although we did fit it in and around an England holiday). If you have one that you can get too (we were lucky enough to have one in Melbourne in 2010 and it allowed plenty of people to experience a Worldcon) then you should do it.  I think using somewhere like Helsinki is a good move. It's called Worldcon, not USAcon, for a reason.
Yeah it does sound like it could be a lot of fun. And since it's in 2017 that gives us a bit of time to get some serious writing done :D
You may get more than you think, too. It's not a total mob scene like the SDCC, but that allows you to see more and go on things like Literary Beers and Kaffeeklatsches.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 17, 2015, 05:33:18 AM
I want to know if @Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840) has anything to do with Helsinki's Worldcon bid? 2017 or is it 2016?
Nope, nothing whatsoever - though maybe I should go since that would surely double the attendance, right?  :P

I noticed that there was one recently, about a year too late. Wasn't aware there was another one potentially coming up  :o
Helsinki is getting a fair bit of love. I personally wouldn't go, it's too far and probably a bit too costly, but people do travel for Worldcons. London had quite a few non Brit attendees (Lejays17 and I were two of them, although we did fit it in and around an England holiday). If you have one that you can get too (we were lucky enough to have one in Melbourne in 2010 and it allowed plenty of people to experience a Worldcon) then you should do it.  I think using somewhere like Helsinki is a good move. It's called Worldcon, not USAcon, for a reason.
Yeah it does sound like it could be a lot of fun. And since it's in 2017 that gives us a bit of time to get some serious writing done :D
You may get more than you think, too. It's not a total mob scene like the SDCC, but that allows you to see more and go on things like Literary Beers and Kaffeeklatsches.
Yeah, it being a bit smaller does have some advantages. Would be cool to chat with some favourite authors if they happen to attend... :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 18, 2015, 12:00:33 AM
The Literary Beers and Kaffeeklatsches are great. There's usually limited spaces, so you have to get in early, especially with popular authors, they generally allow 10 people and 3 alternates, but most times if the alternate turns up the author has no issue with a  few extras sitting down at the table. In 2010 I was lucky enough to do one with George R.R Martin (this was before HBO screened Game of Thrones) and that was amazing. Oddly enough he wasn't a great fan of Tim Tams. At other cons I've done them with Paul Cornell, Scott Lynch (one of the greatest ever for me, and he even signed my battered old copy of The Lies of Locke Lamora with a dedication that I'm pretty sure no one else would ever get) and Cat Valente, and she is absolutely fascinating to talk to. Lejays17 did a few at Loncon as well, she really enjoyed sitting down with Gail Carriger and Emma Newman.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 18, 2015, 03:48:39 AM
Nice! It must be so strange to meet your favourite authors as real live people instead of the forces of nature that create books  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 18, 2015, 03:55:34 AM
Nice! It must be so strange to meet your favourite authors as real live people instead of the forces of nature that create books  :P
Oh yeah, it's kind of trips. Scott Lynch told the funniest story. A girl encountered him at a recent con, and she was very nervous, so he tried to put her at ease by telling her that he was just like any normal person, puts his pants on one leg at a time, and then she started gushing at him about the Dresden Files! She thought he was Jim Butcher!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 18, 2015, 04:15:40 AM
Nice! It must be so strange to meet your favourite authors as real live people instead of the forces of nature that create books  :P
Oh yeah, it's kind of trips. Scott Lynch told the funniest story. A girl encountered him at a recent con, and she was very nervous, so he tried to put her at ease by telling her that he was just like any normal person, puts his pants on one leg at a time, and then she started gushing at him about the Dresden Files! She thought he was Jim Butcher!
Lol! I wonder if he told her that she had made a mistake, or just pretended she hadn't...  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 18, 2015, 05:23:57 AM
Nice! It must be so strange to meet your favourite authors as real live people instead of the forces of nature that create books  :P
Oh yeah, it's kind of trips. Scott Lynch told the funniest story. A girl encountered him at a recent con, and she was very nervous, so he tried to put her at ease by telling her that he was just like any normal person, puts his pants on one leg at a time, and then she started gushing at him about the Dresden Files! She thought he was Jim Butcher!
Lol! I wonder if he told her that she had made a mistake, or just pretended she hadn't...  ;D
He initially wondered how she made it, because Jim is dark and Scott is fair, plus Scott's over 6 feet and according to him Jim is an 'ewok'. He told her, then she didn't believe him!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 18, 2015, 05:33:25 AM
Nice! It must be so strange to meet your favourite authors as real live people instead of the forces of nature that create books  :P
Oh yeah, it's kind of trips. Scott Lynch told the funniest story. A girl encountered him at a recent con, and she was very nervous, so he tried to put her at ease by telling her that he was just like any normal person, puts his pants on one leg at a time, and then she started gushing at him about the Dresden Files! She thought he was Jim Butcher!
Lol! I wonder if he told her that she had made a mistake, or just pretended she hadn't...  ;D
He initially wondered how she made it, because Jim is dark and Scott is fair, plus Scott's over 6 feet and according to him Jim is an 'ewok'. He told her, then she didn't believe him!
Haha that's even better! Crazy stuff  :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 18, 2015, 05:37:16 AM
It was also rather amusing when Scott had his back to the room and we all burst out laughing because Pat Rothfuss was standing behind him, dancing about and making faces. As soon as Scott realised he chased Rothfuss across the room and threatened to shave his beard off!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Doctor_Chill on March 19, 2015, 05:58:24 AM
Let's get this out of the way already.

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-PDgz3ku7f2-ib_V01PCOY1YxGMiGEdFtV7WJ_X-_JW0Eb-7i)

(http://farmflavor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/biscuits-whitelily.jpg)

(http://pri-113a.kxcdn.com/sites/default/files/story/images/cookies733.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on March 19, 2015, 06:01:20 AM
I see a muffin, then a scone and then a cookie.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on March 19, 2015, 06:03:27 AM
This is a biscuit :

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh4vt1zUdo1qcopl9o1_500.jpg)

I think this might be where the problem lay, you took something American as a real thing :

(http://imgur.com/vVx8d6k.jpg)
Hides in a corner.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Doctor_Chill on March 19, 2015, 06:03:49 AM
I see a muffin, then a scone and then a cookie.

Yeah, I was having a real hard time finding a good scone picture that wasn't IN YOUR FACE BIG. Does look a lot like a muffin tbh, but the second is obviously a buttermilk biscuit.  :P

The above could very well be a cookie or a cracker.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 19, 2015, 06:04:15 AM
I see a muffin, then a scone and then a cookie.
You could also call the third one a chocolate chip biscuit.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 19, 2015, 06:05:33 AM
And I better not even mention damper.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on March 19, 2015, 06:13:53 AM
Sorry I had struggles editing my post.

This first section on the use of the term is very enlightening.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscuit

Americans just tried to look original by applying the term to soft sweet food.

But this : http://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscuit

Should finish the debate. "Biscuits are a small dry type of cake" dixit the people who invented pastry, brandy, cooking and love making. And won every other international pastry competition.

*cowers in a bunker*
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 19, 2015, 08:20:05 AM
I don't think Americans should be trusted with the responsibility for naming... anything. I mean come on, who would call a game where you hold an egg-shaped object in your hands and run with it "football", when the rest of the population of the world already play an older and far more popular game with the same name...  :o
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on March 19, 2015, 08:54:33 AM
I don't think Americans should be trusted with the responsibility for naming... anything. I mean come on, who would call a game where you hold an egg-shaped object in your hands and run with it "football", when the rest of the population of the world already play an older and far more popular game with the same name...  :o

Which happens to be played with a ball and foot.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on March 19, 2015, 09:29:08 AM
Australians have a different kind of football too tho? And Irishmen have gaelic games.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on March 19, 2015, 10:11:21 AM
And the French don't name anything in English except "french fries" and "french kissing". What's up with that?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on March 19, 2015, 10:14:21 AM
Except the Americans named fries French because they thought Belgians were French.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on March 19, 2015, 10:38:40 AM
No you have it all wrong. It's Belgian Waffles, not Belgian Fries. What would those be?
Back to France, there's also French toast and French bread.
Belgium? Other than waffles? Nada  just sayin'
Meanwhile the Iinternet came up with French Military Victories ( I assume you've all tried this? Google French military victories and click on French military defeats? Yeah, you've all gone there.)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on March 19, 2015, 11:01:41 AM
Meanwhile, and this goes back the @HenryDale's post in another thread, but is a propos here:

In German, a carillon is also called a Glockenspiel; while the percussion instrument called a "glockenspiel" by English speakers is often called a carillon in French.

Can't we all just learn to get along?!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on March 19, 2015, 11:04:55 AM
Never ^^

Belgians invented fries and french stole it -.-
As for things Belgian you forgot some minor things:
Belgian beer, belgian chocolate, brussels sprouts, witlof, belgian comics, belgian surrealism,...

This year is not only the commemoration of ww1, it is also the celebration of the battle of waterloo! Talk about French defeats (on Belgian soil :p)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on March 19, 2015, 11:14:46 AM
Wowowowow.

Let's get this straight. We French took the fries from you Belgians Yes. But we call them simply "frittes" and we all know that they are from Belgium. I still remember, at 13yo on my first an only school trip to England. On the ferry my classmates commissioned me to order for them from the Burger King as I was the only one fluent enough. Yet I didn't know the word for fries! So I described the thing I wanted and the bloke goes "yeah. French fries?" - "no no! This there!" - "yeah French fries" - "what? Why french?!"
You're also renown for having great mussels.

@Jmacyk (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094) : French toast doesn't exist. Whatever your weird version is, it simply inspired from "pain perdu" - lost/wasted bread.
As for French bread? Please! It's called bread in general and then you have the hundred of options : campagne, baguette, baguette tradition, pain paysan, multi grain, ect ect ect!!!
I also recal your entire country once counting on a French Lafayette and French support huh! No speaking of French defeats!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on March 19, 2015, 11:21:52 AM
Total war :p

Anyway. Back to the carillon.
In Dutch it's called a beiaard after a legend.
More info:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_(legend)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on March 19, 2015, 11:27:12 AM
Total war :p

Anyway. Back to the carillon.
In Dutch it's called a beiaard after a legend.
More info:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_(legend)
There are amazing YouTube videos of carillon concerts. Henry, you have opened my ears!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on March 19, 2015, 11:30:29 AM
Total war :p

Anyway. Back to the carillon.
In Dutch it's called a beiaard after a legend.
More info:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_(legend)
Just read of the legend   Aren't ancient stories wonderful. How does it connect to the carillon? I don't see that in the wiki article.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 19, 2015, 11:35:14 AM
I'm actually going to say I prefer ruisleipä (Finnish rye bread) to baguettes. It's close though - I could eat an entire baguette on my own very easily. But there's a specific type of ruisleipä that is just incredible, specifically when toasted. The taste of smoked tofu sandwiches made with that bread... it makes me feel hungry even when I've just eaten a big meal.

Damnit I'm hungry now  >:(
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on March 19, 2015, 11:39:31 AM
There's an enormous bell in Belgium that depicted the legend and folks named it after the horse. Nowadays it's not ringing anymore due to being too heavy. It dates from the middle ages.
This or the origin is some old word that traces waaay back before that. Not as nice a story tho >.> call it preferable history.

@Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840)  I don't even know how to pronounce that...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 19, 2015, 11:41:38 AM
There's an enormous bell in Belgium that depicted the legend and folks named it after the horse. Nowadays it's not ringing anymore due to being too heavy. It dates from the middle ages.
This or the origin is some old word that traces waaay back before that. Not as nice a story tho >.> call it preferable history.

@Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840)  I don't even know how to pronounce that...
Like this (http://www.forvo.com/word/ruisleip%C3%A4/) ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on March 19, 2015, 11:55:28 AM
There's an enormous bell in Belgium that depicted the legend and folks named it after the horse. Nowadays it's not ringing anymore due to being too heavy. It dates from the middle ages.
This or the origin is some old word that traces waaay back before that. Not as nice a story tho >.> call it preferable history.

@Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840)  I don't even know how to pronounce that...
Like this (http://www.forvo.com/word/ruisleip%C3%A4/) ;)

Twists his tongue in this painful ordeal.
Jk ^^
It's weird tho. I'll have to ask my baker if he has some of that...that...ruisleipa thing (w/ever). Wonder if they sell it here?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 19, 2015, 12:05:55 PM
There's an enormous bell in Belgium that depicted the legend and folks named it after the horse. Nowadays it's not ringing anymore due to being too heavy. It dates from the middle ages.
This or the origin is some old word that traces waaay back before that. Not as nice a story tho >.> call it preferable history.

@Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840)  I don't even know how to pronounce that...
Like this (http://www.forvo.com/word/ruisleip%C3%A4/) ;)

Twists his tongue in this painful ordeal.
Jk ^^
It's weird tho. I'll have to ask my baker if he has some of that...that...ruisleipa thing (w/ever). Wonder if they sell it here?
Hehe it's funny actually, all Finnish words are spelled phonetically. The moment you work it out, you can read any Finnish word and sound like you speak the language, even if you have no clue what you're saying. As someone who grew up speaking English, that is unspeakably weird  :D

There are a lot of different types of ruisleipä, basically any bread made using rye flour (ruis = rye, leipä = bread). The most common type (looks like this (http://fddb.info/static/db/400/220/J6512GBVMPRRYSHMJ80N9ORL_999x999.jpg)) is really dark and thick, and is very nice when toasted but probably not as nice as baguettes or similar. The one I'm thinking of (this one (http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LMnD9SDk-1Y/maxresdefault.jpg)) is much thicker, lighter, and fluffier, isn't quite as dark, and somehow manages to be both soft and crispy when it's toasted right. Cannot describe the taste properly but it's awesome...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on March 19, 2015, 12:12:41 PM
There's an enormous bell in Belgium that depicted the legend and folks named it after the horse. Nowadays it's not ringing anymore due to being too heavy. It dates from the middle ages.
This or the origin is some old word that traces waaay back before that. Not as nice a story tho >.> call it preferable history.

@Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840)  I don't even know how to pronounce that...
Like this (http://www.forvo.com/word/ruisleip%C3%A4/) ;)

Twists his tongue in this painful ordeal.
Jk ^^
It's weird tho. I'll have to ask my baker if he has some of that...that...ruisleipa thing (w/ever). Wonder if they sell it here?
Hehe it's funny actually, all Finnish words are spelled phonetically. The moment you work it out, you can read any Finnish word and sound like you speak the language, even if you have no clue what you're saying. As someone who grew up speaking English, that is unspeakably weird  :D

There are a lot of different types of ruisleipä, basically any bread made using rye flour (ruis = rye, leipä = bread). The most common type (looks like this (http://fddb.info/static/db/400/220/J6512GBVMPRRYSHMJ80N9ORL_999x999.jpg)) is really dark and thick, and is very nice when toasted but probably not as nice as baguettes or similar. The one I'm thinking of (this one (http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LMnD9SDk-1Y/maxresdefault.jpg)) is much thicker, lighter, and fluffier, isn't quite as dark, and somehow manages to be both soft and crispy when it's toasted right. Cannot describe the taste properly but it's awesome...

Hehe, the dude on the packaging looks so smug :p
It looks yummy. I'll try to find it this saturday.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on March 19, 2015, 12:13:41 PM
Quote
Hehe it's funny actually, all Finnish words are spelled phonetically. The moment you work it out, you can read any Finnish word and sound like you speak the language, even if you have no clue what you're saying. As someone who grew up speaking English, that is unspeakably weird   

Funny, completely the case in Japanese too. At least to a French speaker.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 19, 2015, 12:18:59 PM
Hehe, the dude on the packaging looks so smug :p
It looks yummy. I'll try to find it this saturday.
Lol yep :D Well worth it, best bread ever. And smoked tofu is divine...  ;)

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Hehe it's funny actually, all Finnish words are spelled phonetically. The moment you work it out, you can read any Finnish word and sound like you speak the language, even if you have no clue what you're saying. As someone who grew up speaking English, that is unspeakably weird   

Funny, completely the case in Japanese too. At least to a French speaker.
Yeah, though I always though that was the case because Japanese has been transcribed into the latin alphabet phonetically? Apparently there are a lot of other similarities between the two languages too, oddly enough  :o
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on March 19, 2015, 12:31:04 PM
No no japanese as you read it.

I learnt it for four years, I've forgotten all my few kanji but there is no forgetting how the syllable-alphabet thingy works. The symbol used to write japanese are : a i u e o and all the derivative syllables : na ni nu ne no / ma mi mu me mo / some exceptions like ta chi tsu te to / sa shi su se so ect.
So the once you know how to pronounce a (like in alphabet), i (like "ee" in leek), u (a weird one in between ou and mUsic) e (like the French é, or er can't think an exemple) and normal o, then you can pretty much pronounce everything correctly!
The R is rolled so some people transcript it as L.
Japanese is easy as on that aspect, and a lot of others, and then it turns around and stabs you in the eye with verbs and politeness levels.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 19, 2015, 12:55:18 PM
No no japanese as you read it.

I learnt it for four years, I've forgotten all my few kanji but there is no forgetting how the syllable-alphabet thingy works. The symbol used to write japanese are : a i u e o and all the derivative syllables : na ni nu ne no / ma mi mu me mo / some exceptions like ta chi tsu te to / sa shi su se so ect.
So the once you know how to pronounce a (like in alphabet), i (like "ee" in leek), u (a weird one in between ou and mUsic) e (like the French é, or er can't think an exemple) and normal o, then you can pretty much pronounce everything correctly!
The R is rolled so some people transcript it as L.
Japanese is easy as on that aspect, and a lot of others, and then it turns around and stabs you in the eye with verbs and politeness levels.
Yeah that's what I mean, that when written using latin letters it's phonetic, because the language didn't develop using those letters. When they wanted to start writing Japanese using latin letters, they worked out a logical way of phonetically writing down the words, correct? At least that's what I always thought, not sure where I got the idea from though  ???
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 19, 2015, 01:00:44 PM
An impartial *cough cough* nationality votes 100% for the English names of things ;D

(and funny, I created this thread for book-related mindless chat - maybe we need a monthly writing contest on food ;))
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on March 19, 2015, 01:15:36 PM
An impartial *cough cough* nationality votes 100% for the English names of things ;D

(and funny, I created this thread for book-related mindless chat - maybe we need a monthly writing contest on food ;))

Eats cookies
It's research for my next book...promise!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on March 19, 2015, 07:05:16 PM
No no japanese as you read it.

I learnt it for four years, I've forgotten all my few kanji but there is no forgetting how the syllable-alphabet thingy works. The symbol used to write japanese are : a i u e o and all the derivative syllables : na ni nu ne no / ma mi mu me mo / some exceptions like ta chi tsu te to / sa shi su se so ect.
So the once you know how to pronounce a (like in alphabet), i (like "ee" in leek), u (a weird one in between ou and mUsic) e (like the French é, or er can't think an exemple) and normal o, then you can pretty much pronounce everything correctly!
The R is rolled so some people transcript it as L.
Japanese is easy as on that aspect, and a lot of others, and then it turns around and stabs you in the eye with verbs and politeness levels.
Yeah that's what I mean, that when written using latin letters it's phonetic, because the language didn't develop using those letters. When they wanted to start writing Japanese using latin letters, they worked out a logical way of phonetically writing down the words, correct? At least that's what I always thought, not sure where I got the idea from though  ???

Aaah ok sorry I slightly misunderstood you.
Yeah I guess they did. But it still seems to me that it doesn't influence the easiness of the language when if comes to pronunciation. I just meant, like, you know how we French have hard "r"? Or Arabians have a sound that's like a deep throaty "cough"? Even writing those in a simpler, more phonetic way wouldn't help English speakers : you're just not used to those sounds.
I just meant that there is no such obstacle in japanese for French speakers. English is even much harder! With it's "th" and other tongue twisters!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 19, 2015, 07:18:40 PM
No no japanese as you read it.

I learnt it for four years, I've forgotten all my few kanji but there is no forgetting how the syllable-alphabet thingy works. The symbol used to write japanese are : a i u e o and all the derivative syllables : na ni nu ne no / ma mi mu me mo / some exceptions like ta chi tsu te to / sa shi su se so ect.
So the once you know how to pronounce a (like in alphabet), i (like "ee" in leek), u (a weird one in between ou and mUsic) e (like the French é, or er can't think an exemple) and normal o, then you can pretty much pronounce everything correctly!
The R is rolled so some people transcript it as L.
Japanese is easy as on that aspect, and a lot of others, and then it turns around and stabs you in the eye with verbs and politeness levels.
Yeah that's what I mean, that when written using latin letters it's phonetic, because the language didn't develop using those letters. When they wanted to start writing Japanese using latin letters, they worked out a logical way of phonetically writing down the words, correct? At least that's what I always thought, not sure where I got the idea from though  ???

Aaah ok sorry I slightly misunderstood you.
Yeah I guess they did. But it still seems to me that it doesn't influence the easiness of the language when if comes to pronunciation. I just meant, like, you know how we French have hard "r"? Or Arabians have a sound that's like a deep throaty "cough"? Even writing those in a simpler, more phonetic way wouldn't help English speakers : you're just not used to those sounds.
I just meant that there is no such obstacle in japanese for French speakers. English is even much harder! With it's "th" and other tongue twisters!
Yah there's a difference between the spelling being logical, and it being easy to pronounce. Finnish has logical spelling, so any given combination of letters is always pronounced in the same way. English does not, so letter combinations can be pronounced in utterly different ways in different words, for example "tough" and "through". That means that I can look at a word written down in Finnish and know exactly how it should be pronounced, whereas in English you often just have to guess if you don't already know.

Pronunciation difficulty is an interesting one, most people find specific things difficult (and are often unable to even comprehend the sound they're missing). I'm lucky in that in almost every case I can hear a word and parrot it perfectly, so it sounds like I even have the same accent as the person speaking :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on March 19, 2015, 09:03:43 PM
Finnish has logical spelling, so any given combination of letters is always pronounced in the same way.

To nitpick a little, that's not exactly how it is. Yes, Finnish is very regular with its spelling and pronunciation. BUT, there are exceptions.

Quick examples:
Sentence Tule pian (come soon) is pronounced more like Tulep pian (unless the speaker purposefully pauses between the words).
Then there is hauista. When you pronounce it, you can "hyphenate" it like hau-ista (from pikes), from root hauki (pike), or like ha-uista (from searches/lookups), from root haku (search/lookup).

Of course, there are more exceptions, but I'm too tired list all of them.  ;D
These exceptions are phonemic in nature but most of the time they are really hard to spot.


The R is rolled so some people transcript it as L.
I believe that in Japanese R and L are allophones. So, they are considered to be two variants of same phoneme. So, R can be pronounced L, and vice versa.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on March 19, 2015, 10:19:26 PM

The R is rolled so some people transcript it as L.
I believe that in Japanese R and L are allophones. So, they are considered to be two variants of same phoneme. So, R can be pronounced L, and vice versa.

Well... I wouldn't know. There are no R and no L in the systems. Hiraganas and katanas only offer "n" besides the basic whatever-the-English-word-is for a, i, u, e, o.
I was never taught anything on that matter, besides the expected pronunciation of the characters that we write as "ra ri ru re ro"
The real subtleties comes from the difference between "biyoin" and "byoin". I don't remember if it's the exact words, but one means hair dresser and the other hospital. The teachers had a good laugh teaching is that. In Hiraganas the difference is hard to pick if you're not attentive.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 19, 2015, 10:42:21 PM
On the football thing. American football is often called gridiron elsewhere because of the shape of the field. What most of the rest of the world calls football is often called soccer in those countries (USA, Australia) where it's not the dominant code. What we play down in Australia is commonly referred to as 'footy', but it's proper name is Australian Rules Football, similar to how Gaelic Football is named, although it has a number of origins (soccer, rugby union and a game played by the local indigenous that they called marngrook), it's probably closer to Gaelic Football than anything else, to the extent that there's an annual tournament between Australian Rules players and Gaelic players which uses a hybrid version of the two games called International Rules. Then we come to rugby, which is also called rugby football. That name comes from the fact that William Webb Ellis picked up the ball and ran with it during a game of soccer at Rugby School in England (this probably never happened, but that's the legend and the trophy for winning the Rugby World Cup is named the William Webb Ellis Cup in memory of the sport's legendary origin and accidental founder). There are actually two types of rugby, union which was the original and had amateur status. Rugby League (the more popular of the two in Australia) began over a dispute over payments to players, and it's always been a professional sport, so tended to be seen more as the 'working man's game' than it's amateur counterpart which was played by people who could afford to do so. Over the years some of the rules have altered to make the games definitely different. People not from Australia often confuse Aussie Rules with rugby and it's one of the things that bugs southerners like myself, where Aussie Rules is the dominant code and rugby only has a toehold.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 20, 2015, 03:04:55 AM
Finnish has logical spelling, so any given combination of letters is always pronounced in the same way.

To nitpick a little, that's not exactly how it is. Yes, Finnish is very regular with its spelling and pronunciation. BUT, there are exceptions.

Quick examples:
Sentence Tule pian (come soon) is pronounced more like Tulep pian (unless the speaker purposefully pauses between the words).
Then there is hauista. When you pronounce it, you can "hyphenate" it like hau-ista (from pikes), from root hauki (pike), or like ha-uista (from searches/lookups), from root haku (search/lookup).

Of course, there are more exceptions, but I'm too tired list all of them.  ;D
These exceptions are phonemic in nature but most of the time they are really hard to spot.
Very interesting! I still think that they are far rarer in Finnish than in English - in English there are hundreds of them, whereas in Finnish it's usually safe to read phonetically  :P


On the football thing. American football is often called gridiron elsewhere because of the shape of the field. What most of the rest of the world calls football is often called soccer in those countries (USA, Australia) where it's not the dominant code. What we play down in Australia is commonly referred to as 'footy', but it's proper name is Australian Rules Football, similar to how Gaelic Football is named, although it has a number of origins (soccer, rugby union and a game played by the local indigenous that they called marngrook), it's probably closer to Gaelic Football than anything else, to the extent that there's an annual tournament between Australian Rules players and Gaelic players which uses a hybrid version of the two games called International Rules. Then we come to rugby, which is also called rugby football. That name comes from the fact that William Webb Ellis picked up the ball and ran with it during a game of soccer at Rugby School in England (this probably never happened, but that's the legend and the trophy for winning the Rugby World Cup is named the William Webb Ellis Cup in memory of the sport's legendary origin and accidental founder). There are actually two types of rugby, union which was the original and had amateur status. Rugby League (the more popular of the two in Australia) began over a dispute over payments to players, and it's always been a professional sport, so tended to be seen more as the 'working man's game' than it's amateur counterpart which was played by people who could afford to do so. Over the years some of the rules have altered to make the games definitely different. People not from Australia often confuse Aussie Rules with rugby and it's one of the things that bugs southerners like myself, where Aussie Rules is the dominant code and rugby only has a toehold.
Yeah you Aussies don't get off the hook for it either  :P

I'd never mistake an aussie rules pitch for a rugby pitch though, don't understand how that's possible. It's like mistaking a cricket pitch for a tennis court  :o
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 20, 2015, 04:31:36 AM

Yeah you Aussies don't get off the hook for it either  :P

I'd never mistake an aussie rules pitch for a rugby pitch though, don't understand how that's possible. It's like mistaking a cricket pitch for a tennis court  :o
It's not the pitch, it's the entire sport that they get mixed up. Robin Williams did this monologue about Australian Rules, it was very funny, but to anybody who knows anything about Australian Rules it's quite obvious that what he was referring to was rugby, only he kept calling it Australian Football. Rugby rules in NSW and a good part of Queensland, but the rest of the country are Aussie Rules followers. We call rugby cross country wrestling.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 20, 2015, 04:40:13 AM

Yeah you Aussies don't get off the hook for it either  :P

I'd never mistake an aussie rules pitch for a rugby pitch though, don't understand how that's possible. It's like mistaking a cricket pitch for a tennis court  :o
It's not the pitch, it's the entire sport that they get mixed up. Robin Williams did this monologue about Australian Rules, it was very funny, but to anybody who knows anything about Australian Rules it's quite obvious that what he was referring to was rugby, only he kept calling it Australian Football. Rugby rules in NSW and a good part of Queensland, but the rest of the country are Aussie Rules followers. We call rugby cross country wrestling.
Yeah I know, but the difference in the pitch is so obvious that I don't get how the two can be mistaken for each other  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 20, 2015, 05:39:52 AM

Yeah you Aussies don't get off the hook for it either  :P

I'd never mistake an aussie rules pitch for a rugby pitch though, don't understand how that's possible. It's like mistaking a cricket pitch for a tennis court  :o
It's not the pitch, it's the entire sport that they get mixed up. Robin Williams did this monologue about Australian Rules, it was very funny, but to anybody who knows anything about Australian Rules it's quite obvious that what he was referring to was rugby, only he kept calling it Australian Football. Rugby rules in NSW and a good part of Queensland, but the rest of the country are Aussie Rules followers. We call rugby cross country wrestling.
Yeah I know, but the difference in the pitch is so obvious that I don't get how the two can be mistaken for each other  :P
If no one's ever seen the game it's hard for them to envisage the pitches. I believe Americans refer to it as the 'game without pads', which could explain why the confuse the two. I did find it quite amusing when Darren Bennet became a kicker for San Diego, and I heard these commentators say that he'd probably never played in front of crowds numbering in the 40 - 50,000's. Bennet used to play for Melbourne, at the MCG, the G holds 100,000, and while they didn't play in a Grand Final during Bennet's time there, they did host some big matches which would have gotten far in excess of 50,000 to watch.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 20, 2015, 06:07:57 AM

Yeah you Aussies don't get off the hook for it either  :P

I'd never mistake an aussie rules pitch for a rugby pitch though, don't understand how that's possible. It's like mistaking a cricket pitch for a tennis court  :o
It's not the pitch, it's the entire sport that they get mixed up. Robin Williams did this monologue about Australian Rules, it was very funny, but to anybody who knows anything about Australian Rules it's quite obvious that what he was referring to was rugby, only he kept calling it Australian Football. Rugby rules in NSW and a good part of Queensland, but the rest of the country are Aussie Rules followers. We call rugby cross country wrestling.
Yeah I know, but the difference in the pitch is so obvious that I don't get how the two can be mistaken for each other  :P
If no one's ever seen the game it's hard for them to envisage the pitches. I believe Americans refer to it as the 'game without pads', which could explain why the confuse the two. I did find it quite amusing when Darren Bennet became a kicker for San Diego, and I heard these commentators say that he'd probably never played in front of crowds numbering in the 40 - 50,000's. Bennet used to play for Melbourne, at the MCG, the G holds 100,000, and while they didn't play in a Grand Final during Bennet's time there, they did host some big matches which would have gotten far in excess of 50,000 to watch.
Ahh, I assumed we were talking about people who had either seen it being played or had some basic knowledge about it (which would naturally include the differences between aussie rules and other superficially similar games) - other people are just being ignorant  :P

Lol yeah, sounds like another example of Americans (or at least American media) being dismissive of anything that happens outside the US  :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 20, 2015, 06:59:43 AM

Yeah you Aussies don't get off the hook for it either  :P

I'd never mistake an aussie rules pitch for a rugby pitch though, don't understand how that's possible. It's like mistaking a cricket pitch for a tennis court  :o
It's not the pitch, it's the entire sport that they get mixed up. Robin Williams did this monologue about Australian Rules, it was very funny, but to anybody who knows anything about Australian Rules it's quite obvious that what he was referring to was rugby, only he kept calling it Australian Football. Rugby rules in NSW and a good part of Queensland, but the rest of the country are Aussie Rules followers. We call rugby cross country wrestling.
Yeah I know, but the difference in the pitch is so obvious that I don't get how the two can be mistaken for each other  :P
If no one's ever seen the game it's hard for them to envisage the pitches. I believe Americans refer to it as the 'game without pads', which could explain why the confuse the two. I did find it quite amusing when Darren Bennet became a kicker for San Diego, and I heard these commentators say that he'd probably never played in front of crowds numbering in the 40 - 50,000's. Bennet used to play for Melbourne, at the MCG, the G holds 100,000, and while they didn't play in a Grand Final during Bennet's time there, they did host some big matches which would have gotten far in excess of 50,000 to watch.
Ahh, I assumed we were talking about people who had either seen it being played or had some basic knowledge about it (which would naturally include the differences between aussie rules and other superficially similar games) - other people are just being ignorant  :P

Lol yeah, sounds like another example of Americans (or at least American media) being dismissive of anything that happens outside the US  :D
I'm often reminded of a website called Satire Wire which used to publish faux news articles (similar to The Onion) and in one update they ran an 'advertisement' for an internet filter that removed any content that wasn't USA centric. The next update they had to explain that it wasn't real, and they were a satirical website, because they'd had so many requests for it. They seemed to find that sad, rather than amusing. The ruby supporters here like to make fun of our game by calling it Aerial Ping Pong.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on March 20, 2015, 07:06:08 AM

The R is rolled so some people transcript it as L.
I believe that in Japanese R and L are allophones. So, they are considered to be two variants of same phoneme. So, R can be pronounced L, and vice versa.

Well... I wouldn't know. There are no R and no L in the systems. Hiraganas and katanas only offer "n" besides the basic whatever-the-English-word-is for a, i, u, e, o.
I was never taught anything on that matter, besides the expected pronunciation of the characters that we write as "ra ri ru re ro"
I meant that the sounds are  interchangeable, but I wouldn't really know either, since I have never had any formal education in phonetics or Japanese. I should add some sort of disclaimer to everything I write so that people don't actually think that I know what I am talking about.  ;D

In fact, I think I add one to my signature as soon as I finish writing this.

Finnish has logical spelling, so any given combination of letters is always pronounced in the same way.

To nitpick a little, that's not exactly how it is. Yes, Finnish is very regular with its spelling and pronunciation. BUT, there are exceptions.

Quick examples:
Sentence Tule pian (come soon) is pronounced more like Tulep pian (unless the speaker purposefully pauses between the words).
Then there is hauista. When you pronounce it, you can "hyphenate" it like hau-ista (from pikes), from root hauki (pike), or like ha-uista (from searches/lookups), from root haku (search/lookup).

Of course, there are more exceptions, but I'm too tired list all of them.  ;D
These exceptions are phonemic in nature but most of the time they are really hard to spot.
Very interesting! I still think that they are far rarer in Finnish than in English - in English there are hundreds of them, whereas in Finnish it's usually safe to read phonetically  :P
Yeah, they are very rare compared to English (or to many other languages) and usually not that noticeable. But, some of them might confuse non-natives, I think.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 20, 2015, 07:42:54 AM
I'm often reminded of a website called Satire Wire which used to publish faux news articles (similar to The Onion) and in one update they ran an 'advertisement' for an internet filter that removed any content that wasn't USA centric. The next update they had to explain that it wasn't real, and they were a satirical website, because they'd had so many requests for it. They seemed to find that sad, rather than amusing. The ruby supporters here like to make fun of our game by calling it Aerial Ping Pong.
Haha I'm not surprised - I wouldn't mind the reverse!  :P

Lol that's a bit of an odd one. We call American football "hand-and-occasionally-foot-egg" to piss off our American friends though, so I guess I can't talk...  :D


Yeah, they are very rare compared to English (or to many other languages) and usually not that noticeable. But, some of them might confuse non-natives, I think.
Yeah, definitely. Some bits and pieces of Finnish are truly awesome.

"Juoksentelisinkohan" = "I wonder if I should run around aimlessly?"

"Aamupalaverihuone" = either "Morning meeting room" or "Breakfast blood room" (depending on where the sub-word splits are)

"Vihdoin vihdoin vihdoin" = "I finally whipped myself with a birch branch"

"Kuusi palaa" = "The spruce is on fire", "The spruce is returning", "The number six is on fire", "The number six is returning", "Six of them are on fire", "Six of them are returning", "Your moon is on fire", "Your moon is returning", or "Six pieces"

Finnish sayings are crazy too. (http://www.memecenter.com/fun/477359/finnish-proverbs) My favourite being "Fits like a fist in the eye".

 ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Shimrod on March 20, 2015, 10:29:36 AM
"Aamupalaverihuone" = either "Morning meeting room" or "Breakfast blood room" (depending on where the sub-word splits are)

Breakfast blood room?

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 20, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
"Aamupalaverihuone" = either "Morning meeting room" or "Breakfast blood room" (depending on where the sub-word splits are)

Breakfast blood room?
That's the joke - you could write "I'll see you in the morning meeting room", and depending on how the person interprets it, they might read it as "I'll see you in the breakfast blood room"  :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 20, 2015, 05:12:32 PM
Last time I was over here I remember posting how I was pleasantly surprised about translated fantasy books in the main Portuguese bookshops.
I now retract that thought.
It's awful, at least it's my assumption from the covers - 90% names I don't recognise... Could it be mostly urban fantasy?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Yora on March 20, 2015, 06:21:09 PM
Finnish sayings are crazy too. (http://www.memecenter.com/fun/477359/finnish-proverbs) My favourite being "Fits like a fist in the eye".
That's Finish? I always thought that was a traditional German saying.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 20, 2015, 06:24:49 PM
Finnish sayings are crazy too. (http://www.memecenter.com/fun/477359/finnish-proverbs) My favourite being "Fits like a fist in the eye".
That's Finish? I always thought that was a traditional German saying.
Could easily be both  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Yora on March 20, 2015, 06:26:05 PM
We should make a thread about these, there's tonnes of wonderful ones from all around the world.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 20, 2015, 10:57:34 PM



Lol that's a bit of an odd one. We call American football "hand-and-occasionally-foot-egg" to piss off our American friends though, so I guess I can't talk...  :D



Aussie Rules has gained a foothold elsewhere. They seem to like it in Japan oddly enough, and New Zealand of course, although they still love their rugby (union then league in that order), there's a league made up of expats in the US, and one in the UK. I have a cousin who played a few seasons of AFL and played in England for a while when he was over there working and studying.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 20, 2015, 11:52:32 PM
Lol that's a bit of an odd one. We call American football "hand-and-occasionally-foot-egg" to piss off our American friends though, so I guess I can't talk...  :D
Aussie Rules has gained a foothold elsewhere. They seem to like it in Japan oddly enough, and New Zealand of course, although they still love their rugby (union then league in that order), there's a league made up of expats in the US, and one in the UK. I have a cousin who played a few seasons of AFL and played in England for a while when he was over there working and studying.
I'm not surprised, people like to do crazy things  :P

Actually I remember being surprised when one of my friends at school joined an American football team that played in a local league... had no idea that it was even close to being popular enough for leagues to form. The number of people in the world is insane, so it shouldn't be a surprise when there are a load of people with the same (relatively) niche interests all over the place.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 21, 2015, 12:24:31 AM
Lol that's a bit of an odd one. We call American football "hand-and-occasionally-foot-egg" to piss off our American friends though, so I guess I can't talk...  :D
Aussie Rules has gained a foothold elsewhere. They seem to like it in Japan oddly enough, and New Zealand of course, although they still love their rugby (union then league in that order), there's a league made up of expats in the US, and one in the UK. I have a cousin who played a few seasons of AFL and played in England for a while when he was over there working and studying.
I'm not surprised, people like to do crazy things  :P

Actually I remember being surprised when one of my friends at school joined an American football team that played in a local league... had no idea that it was even close to being popular enough for leagues to form. The number of people in the world is insane, so it shouldn't be a surprise when there are a load of people with the same (relatively) niche interests all over the place.
Oh there's a World NFL league. It's fairly big, too. It's how a few players who eventually transition into the NFL in the States start their careers. I think the aforementioned Darren Bennet may have played for one of the teams in the World League prior to taking over kicking duties for San Diego. They quite often get world class sprinters to play for NFL teams. Carl Lewis was offered a spot and declined on the grounds that he made more money out of athletics, and I believe a gold medallist for one of the US Olympic teams already had an NFL contract when he won the medal, so that was really just gravy for him. NZ rugby legend Jonah Lomu was also seriously looked at by the NFL and two other Aussie Rules players Ben Graham (Geelong) and Saverio Rocca (Collingwood and North Melbourne) had decent careers as kickers in the NFL after they finished their AFL careers. That's one thing I find lacking in fantasy at times, mention of sport. It may be why I swim against the stream in really liking the Quidditch sequences in Harry Potter.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 21, 2015, 03:49:50 AM
Lol that's a bit of an odd one. We call American football "hand-and-occasionally-foot-egg" to piss off our American friends though, so I guess I can't talk...  :D
Aussie Rules has gained a foothold elsewhere. They seem to like it in Japan oddly enough, and New Zealand of course, although they still love their rugby (union then league in that order), there's a league made up of expats in the US, and one in the UK. I have a cousin who played a few seasons of AFL and played in England for a while when he was over there working and studying.
I'm not surprised, people like to do crazy things  :P

Actually I remember being surprised when one of my friends at school joined an American football team that played in a local league... had no idea that it was even close to being popular enough for leagues to form. The number of people in the world is insane, so it shouldn't be a surprise when there are a load of people with the same (relatively) niche interests all over the place.
Oh there's a World NFL league. It's fairly big, too. It's how a few players who eventually transition into the NFL in the States start their careers. I think the aforementioned Darren Bennet may have played for one of the teams in the World League prior to taking over kicking duties for San Diego. They quite often get world class sprinters to play for NFL teams. Carl Lewis was offered a spot and declined on the grounds that he made more money out of athletics, and I believe a gold medallist for one of the US Olympic teams already had an NFL contract when he won the medal, so that was really just gravy for him. NZ rugby legend Jonah Lomu was also seriously looked at by the NFL and two other Aussie Rules players Ben Graham (Geelong) and Saverio Rocca (Collingwood and North Melbourne) had decent careers as kickers in the NFL after they finished their AFL careers. That's one thing I find lacking in fantasy at times, mention of sport. It may be why I swim against the stream in really liking the Quidditch sequences in Harry Potter.
Interesting, I've never even heard of it! :D

And yeah, I always liked the Quidditch scenes, didn't even realise that people generally did not... they were a bit crap in the films, but then again so was everything else!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Saraband on March 21, 2015, 11:37:44 AM
Last time I was over here I remember posting how I was pleasantly surprised about translated fantasy books in the main Portuguese bookshops.
I now retract that thought.
It's awful, at least it's my assumption from the covers - 90% names I don't recognise... Could it be mostly urban fantasy?

And that's around Lisbon, @ScarletBea (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=32020) . Finding decent Fantasy novels in the Algarve, especially near Tavira where I live, is practically impossible. And when something does come up, it is either a yucky translation, or an unappealing for me.

I can't state how thankful I am for e-readers (I know you disagree)  ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 21, 2015, 05:04:29 PM
I can't state how thankful I am for e-readers (I know you disagree)  ;)
Another advantage of emmigrating, no need for e-readers ;)

And because I was away during the biscuit-saga and couldn't reply properly, I now contribute with the picture of a lovely tasty portuguese biscuit which doesn't exist anywhere else in the world, and that I more or less stock up on when I go there (honestly, I'm now afraid to go near the scales after this week, hehe - 5k run tomorrow, right away, hehe).
They're called "deer's tongues ;D

(http://www.confeitariaperdigao.com/produtos/bolos_secos/Linguas-de-Veado.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on March 21, 2015, 05:06:29 PM
I can't state how thankful I am for e-readers (I know you disagree)  ;)
Another advantage of emmigrating, no need for e-readers ;)

And because I was away during the biscuit-saga and couldn't reply properly, I now contribute with the picture of a lovely tasty portuguese biscuit which doesn't exist anywhere else in the world, and that I more or less stock up on when I go there (honestly, I'm now afraid to go near the scales after this week, hehe - 5k run tomorrow, right away, hehe).
They're called "deer's tongues ;D

(http://www.confeitariaperdigao.com/produtos/bolos_secos/Linguas-de-Veado.jpg)

It go nice with a cup of tea  ;) tea on the mind today   ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Saraband on March 22, 2015, 12:58:33 AM
I can't state how thankful I am for e-readers (I know you disagree)  ;)
Another advantage of emmigrating, no need for e-readers ;)

And because I was away during the biscuit-saga and couldn't reply properly, I now contribute with the picture of a lovely tasty portuguese biscuit which doesn't exist anywhere else in the world, and that I more or less stock up on when I go there (honestly, I'm now afraid to go near the scales after this week, hehe - 5k run tomorrow, right away, hehe).
They're called "deer's tongues ;D

(http://www.confeitariaperdigao.com/produtos/bolos_secos/Linguas-de-Veado.jpg)

It go nice with a cup of tea  ;) tea on the mind today   ;D

Línguas de Veado! I love those  ;D And yeah, they're great with tea or coffee. Portuguese pastries are among the best  ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 22, 2015, 11:48:40 AM
Portuguese pastries are among the best  ;)
As proven by the mile-long queue outside Pasteis de Belem last Friday :'( I went back home and got other cakes and biscuits, also as good, hehe

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I've just realised I won't have any books for Peter V Brett to sign at the Grim Gathering, since I read his from the library.
So, shall I buy the 3 now, expecting to re-read them one day, and get them signed as a bonus? I gave them 4 stars, but many little things left me cold and I hated the literal cliff-hanger... On the other hand everyone (ie Arry and Marc) is saying how amazing and much better Skull Throne is, so potentially I will want to keep the 5-books series for posterity...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 22, 2015, 11:50:39 AM
Portuguese pastries are among the best  ;)
As proven by the mile-long queue outside Pasteis de Belem last Friday :'( I went back home and got other cakes and biscuits, also as good, hehe

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I've just realised I won't have any books for Peter V Brett to sign at the Grim Gathering, since I read his from the library.
So, shall I buy the 3 now, expecting to re-read them one day, and get them signed as a bonus? I gave them 4 stars, but many little things left me cold... On the other hand everyone is saying how amazing and much better Skull Throne is, so potentially I will want to keep the 5-books series for posterity...
It's £0.01 plus £3 delivery on amazon (here (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/0553819577/sr=8-1/qid=1427024968/ref=olp_tab_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=1427024968&sr=8-1)) if you're ok with second hand. Usually they're excellent quality.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 22, 2015, 11:58:52 AM
Now, how did you manage to reply to a question I did on another thread, in this thread?
I thought you were pointing me to Brett's books and ended up on Gardens of the Moon ;D ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 22, 2015, 12:02:09 PM
Now, how did you manage to reply to a question I did on another thread, in this thread?
I thought you were pointing me to Brett's books and ended up on Gardens of the Moon ;D ;D
Err... no idea?  :o I had a load of different tabs open, must've clicked back on the wrong one somehow!  :-[
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 22, 2015, 12:17:53 PM
Wow you're even worse than me ;D I usually also have a few tabs open, but it's only one for each site hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 22, 2015, 12:20:38 PM
Wow you're even worse than me ;D I usually also have a few tabs open, but it's only one for each site hehe
Yeah I open all the unread posts at once, each in their own tab. Far more efficient that way... (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on March 22, 2015, 12:32:48 PM
Wow you're even worse than me ;D I usually also have a few tabs open, but it's only one for each site hehe
Yeah I open all the unread posts at once, each in their own tab. Far more efficient that way... (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
I do the same. :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on March 23, 2015, 12:30:18 AM
Wow you're even worse than me ;D I usually also have a few tabs open, but it's only one for each site hehe
Yeah I open all the unread posts at once, each in their own tab. Far more efficient that way... (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
I do the same. :)

Me too. I often don't remember what topic I'm reading because I tend to jump between them while scrolled halfway down the page.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 23, 2015, 07:50:42 AM
My logical brain is having a meltdown at the moment
*does... not... compute... *
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on March 23, 2015, 01:01:04 PM
My logical brain is having a meltdown at the moment
*does... not... compute... *

The worst part is I just today noticed the topic header is at the top of each individual post. Guess I'd gotten so used to it I blocked it out.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 23, 2015, 01:02:33 PM
My logical brain is having a meltdown at the moment
*does... not... compute... *

The worst part is I just today noticed the topic header is at the top of each individual post. Guess I'd gotten so used to it I blocked it out.
Haha yeah, I completely blanked that aswell  :-[
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on March 26, 2015, 02:57:55 AM
Wow you're even worse than me ;D I usually also have a few tabs open, but it's only one for each site hehe
Yeah I open all the unread posts at once, each in their own tab. Far more efficient that way... (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
I do the same. :)

All the no's in the world.   I have to do one at a time to keep up with the conversation.   I wonder if their is a correlation between multiple tabs of the same site & reading multiple books at once (which I cannot do).
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 26, 2015, 03:11:25 AM
Wow you're even worse than me ;D I usually also have a few tabs open, but it's only one for each site hehe
Yeah I open all the unread posts at once, each in their own tab. Far more efficient that way... (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
I do the same. :)

All the no's in the world.   I have to do one at a time to keep up with the conversation.   I wonder if their is a correlation between multiple tabs of the same site & reading multiple books at once (which I cannot do).
I don't do that, so it's definitely not the same for everyone  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on March 26, 2015, 03:15:20 AM
Wow you're even worse than me ;D I usually also have a few tabs open, but it's only one for each site hehe
Yeah I open all the unread posts at once, each in their own tab. Far more efficient that way... (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
I do the same. :)

All the no's in the world.   I have to do one at a time to keep up with the conversation.   I wonder if their is a correlation between multiple tabs of the same site & reading multiple books at once (which I cannot do).
I don't do that, so it's definitely not the same for everyone  :P


Thanks for killing my theory in the first post!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 26, 2015, 03:17:38 AM
Wow you're even worse than me ;D I usually also have a few tabs open, but it's only one for each site hehe
Yeah I open all the unread posts at once, each in their own tab. Far more efficient that way... (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
I do the same. :)

All the no's in the world.   I have to do one at a time to keep up with the conversation.   I wonder if their is a correlation between multiple tabs of the same site & reading multiple books at once (which I cannot do).
I don't do that, so it's definitely not the same for everyone  :P


Thanks for killing my theory in the first post!
You're welcome! (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on March 26, 2015, 11:20:13 AM
So, I don't do multiple tabs unless I'm trying to reference once thread in another.

What I do do is obsessively click on the "Shows posts since your last visit," and then go back to that screen after I've read each post. If I get no results at some point, I click where it says something like "Click here to try all unread topics" in the center of the screen. And if that's empty, I despair.

Meanwhile, it does drive me crazy that if I open the "Show unread posts" screen on my iPad and then on my laptop, it will come up empty on the laptop. Forcing me to click on the "Try all unread topics", which is just not right.

And I do have multiple books going at all times.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on March 26, 2015, 03:07:31 PM
Meanwhile, it does drive me crazy that if I open the "Show unread posts" screen on my iPad and then on my laptop, it will come up empty on the laptop. Forcing me to click on the "Try all unread topics", which is just not right.
Same here with my phone and tapatalk...  >:(
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on March 26, 2015, 03:17:35 PM
What I do do is obsessively click on the "Shows posts since your last visit," and then go back to that screen after I've read each post. If I get no results at some point, I click where it says something like "Click here to try all unread topics" in the center of the screen. And if that's empty, I despair.

Phew. Glad I'm not the only one. This has almost become a ritual whenever I take a moment to think. The show unread posts button is probably as worn down as my (Ctrl + S) keys [You have to smash the button at least twenty times before it will save, right?].
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 26, 2015, 08:40:56 PM
I just follow the red signs...
You know, red, scarlet, all good 8)

(there are a couple of sections I don't normally read)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on March 27, 2015, 08:28:51 AM
So, Gariath and Doctor Chill seem to be in competition with each other for the Most Like Button Spamming Person award. Just look at the "Like-section" of the recent posts on this topic. On the other hand, they might just be very easy to please.  ;D

EDIT: Yeah, I should have read the thread dealing with this rivalry of "churches" better before posting, but I didn't realize that it had THREE PAGES OF POSTS SINCE I LAST CHECKED (which was yesterday). Damn you all!!!  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 27, 2015, 10:03:51 AM
So, Gariath and Doctor Chill seem to be in competition with each other for the Most Like Button Spamming Person award. Just look at the "Like-section" of the recent posts on this topic. On the other hand, they might just be very easy to please.  ;D

EDIT: Yeah, I should have read the thread dealing with this rivalry of "churches" better before posting, but I didn't realize that it had THREE PAGES OF POSTS SINCE I LAST CHECKED (which was yesterday). Damn you all!!!  :P
8)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on March 27, 2015, 12:58:42 PM
EDIT: Yeah, I should have read the thread dealing with this rivalry of "churches" better before posting, but I didn't realize that it had THREE PAGES OF POSTS SINCE I LAST CHECKED (which was yesterday). Damn you all!!!  :P

No no, the Church of Gariath does all the damning.  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on March 27, 2015, 03:23:18 PM
I'm wondering, do the Likes given by Justan and Raptori increase Gariath's Like total, since they all are part of the same unholy trinity?
 ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 28, 2015, 10:44:38 AM
Just saw this - literal translations of finnish words into english.  8)

(http://img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/ap0Re2W_700b.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on March 28, 2015, 03:05:15 PM
The real question here is how we English speakers missed breast vest. The rhyming makes it so classy.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 28, 2015, 03:11:59 PM
I like the dragon ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on March 28, 2015, 03:47:14 PM
I like the dragon ;D

I know, If they have snakes, where does the need for salmon come into this? What part of the salmon makes this translation more descriptive...

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 28, 2015, 04:03:19 PM
Spoiler for the Liveship Traders books:
Actually, "salmon snake" makes me think quite a lot of the dragons in this series. They start life as a serpent (=snake), and when they're ready to transform, they go up the river to the hatching grounds to become dragons (just like a salmon)!
I wonder if that's where Robin got her idea ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on March 28, 2015, 04:12:57 PM
Spoiler for the Liveship Traders books:
Actually, "salmon snake" makes me think quite a lot of the dragons in this series. They start life as a serpent (=snake), and when they're ready to transform, they go up the river to the hatching grounds to become dragons (just like a salmon)!
I wonder if that's where Robin got her idea ;D

Very true. The name is probably to do with Finnish mythology, but there are lizards and snakes in Finland, so I wonder what makes them more like salmon there rather than lizards.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on March 28, 2015, 06:45:22 PM
A quick look through the Interwebs tells that the Finnish word lohikäärme comes (most likely) from old Swedish word floghdragi. The flogh-part was borrowed and incorrectly linked to word lohi. The more exact translation would have been lentokäärme (flying snake). Link (http://www.kielikello.fi/index.php?mid=2&pid=11&aid=360) for those who understand Finnish.

Etymology is fun.  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 28, 2015, 07:57:43 PM
Thanks, but I still like the idea of the salmon snake and my link to Hobb's books, hehe

(just noticed you're from Finland - I thought you had some portuguese links because of the 'velho' in your name.... but you're not even old hehe)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on March 29, 2015, 08:58:21 AM
Velho means a wizard in Finnish (but please don't think of me as one of those wand brandishing "wizards" from HP but rather like Gandalf or some such... old man  ;) ).

But the Velho-part in my nick actually comes from my real name, sort of at least. The wizard-meaning is just an added bonus. And the Portuguese old man/person fits me, in a way: Sometimes I feel like an old man physically (with numerous pains and aches), although mentally I'm like nine years old or something.  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 29, 2015, 11:39:59 AM
That is really interesting!
I don't think I've ever encontered a specific word that lies within 2 very separate branches of the linguistic tree and that means very different things.
I wonder how you pronounce it, then...

Velho (portuguese) = old -- using the exclusively-portuguese sound 'lh' that I absolutely can't describe in writing (Saraband, help!)

Velho (finnish) = wizard -- ?? do you split the sound between the L and the H? like 'vel' 'ho'?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on March 29, 2015, 12:04:46 PM
Yeah, it's just like you said, with a little pause between L and H.  :)
Here (http://www.forvo.com/word/velho/) are samples of how you pronounce it in Portuguese and in Finnish.

But the meanings are sort of similar though. I mean, I believe wizard comes from the word wise, and many times wisdom is considered to come with age. So, an old man is a wise man, or a wizard. Maybe?  :-\
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 29, 2015, 12:19:46 PM
Oh gosh, thanks, I love that site! So many issues solved, hehe
(I'm quite into languages, particularly how living/working with multiple languages influences the way you think and act)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 30, 2015, 03:16:54 PM
...aaand another one!  ;D

(https://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/59.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on March 30, 2015, 03:23:26 PM
...aaand another one!  ;D

(https://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/59.jpg)
Damn. I had to LIKE this post, so great. But one more LIKE for Raptori.   ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 30, 2015, 03:43:15 PM
But see, that depiction is exactly the reason why I would be able to live in Helsinki and not in the other capital cities mentioned: it's a lovely manageable small-ish city :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on March 30, 2015, 03:58:27 PM
Why all this ragging on Finland, Raptori? There are plenty of great things about Finland. Like... like... Well, there are! Probably...  :-\

 ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on March 30, 2015, 04:01:18 PM
Why all this ragging on Finland, Raptori? There are plenty of great things about Finland. Like... like... Well, there are! Probably...  :-\

 ;)
No, this is affectionate ribbing.  :D  I think there's a genuine Finlandoplia society here on F-F. I'd go back in a second if money was no object.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 30, 2015, 04:03:46 PM
...aaand another one!  ;D

(https://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/59.jpg)
Damn. I had to LIKE this post, so great. But one more LIKE for Raptori.   ;)
;)

Why all this ragging on Finland, Raptori? There are plenty of great things about Finland. Like... like... Well, there are! Probably...  :-\

 ;) 
It's not ragging, Finland is awesome! Weird = good imo.  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on March 30, 2015, 04:24:59 PM
I went to Helsinki last summer. Passed through between St Petersburg and Talinn. Very friendly city but hard to find an ATM. Went on a boat tour.  Seemed a place that would be better to visit in a boat.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 30, 2015, 04:38:52 PM
I went to Helsinki last summer. Passed through between St Petersburg and Talinn. Very friendly city but hard to find an ATM. Went on a boat tour.  Seemed a place that would be better to visit in a boat.
Interesting that you found it hard to find an ATM, I've never had a problem - though I don't really wander too far from the center when I'm in the city. Definitely agree about the boats, the coastline is really nice and that's a great way to see it all :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 30, 2015, 06:51:11 PM
It's already been 12 years since I went there!!!
(I tried to find a photo, but it was actually before I had a digital camera - I just have a few scanned photos, not very good quality)
I remember going to that little island off Helsinki on the weekend, lots of people doing picnics :)
I also went to Hamina, my friend went to see her mum and took me with her.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 30, 2015, 07:01:52 PM
It's already been 12 years since I went there!!!
(I tried to find a photo, but it was actually before I had a digital camera - I just have a few scanned photos, not very good quality)
I remember going to that little island off Helsinki on the weekend, lots of people doing picnics :)
I also went to Hamina, my friend went to see her mum and took me with her.
Haha well most people don't come to finland at all, so at least that's something!

Which island? There are dozens!  :P As a guess I'd say maybe Suomenlinna, the island(s) with the fort on them? I've never been there, but we almost went a while ago.

Hamina looks nice and far off the beaten track, we'd love to move somewhere away from all the people if we had enough money  :-\
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 30, 2015, 07:03:16 PM
Which island? There are dozens!  :P As a guess I'd say maybe Suomenlinna, the island(s) with the fort on them? I've never been there, but we almost went a while ago.
Oh oops, I didn't know/remember.
And yes, that's exactly the one, I recognise the name :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on March 30, 2015, 07:03:40 PM
It appears many of us have been to Helstinki!

The people were lovely and as always I felt embarrassed by how good their English was while I spoke next to no Finnish.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 30, 2015, 07:13:56 PM
Which island? There are dozens!  :P As a guess I'd say maybe Suomenlinna, the island(s) with the fort on them? I've never been there, but we almost went a while ago.
Oh oops, I didn't know/remember.
And yes, that's exactly the one, I recognise the name :)
Would've been impressed if you did after 12 years!

It appears many of us have been to Helstinki!

The people were lovely and as always I felt embarrassed by how good their English was while I spoke next to no Finnish.
Hehe I speak barely any Finnish and I've lived here for about three years now. Really need to get a move on with that. Though actually we know an English guy who has lived here for about ten years and speaks less than me - and he works as a bartender (and not even in a tourist area)!  :o
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on March 30, 2015, 07:31:44 PM
I lived half a year in Stockholm, does that count? ;) But I've been to Helsinki and other parts of Finland too, hiking in the woods, canoing on the lakes... :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on March 30, 2015, 07:33:27 PM
I lived half a year in Stockholm, does that count? ;) But I've been to Helsinki and other parts of Finland too, hiking in the woods, canoing on the lakes... :)
Just a general invasion of Scandinavia?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on March 30, 2015, 07:52:15 PM
We loved Suomenlinna.  There are great cannon and strange foxholes dug into the island and covered over like Hobbiton battered down against assault. Fascinating barracks and fort. Beautiful views all around.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 30, 2015, 09:29:56 PM
I lived half a year in Stockholm, does that count? ;) But I've been to Helsinki and other parts of Finland too, hiking in the woods, canoing on the lakes... :)
More or less, I guess!  :P

Really is crazy how many people here have been to Finland, would never expect it  :o

We loved Suomenlinna.  There are great cannon and strange foxholes dug into the island and covered over like Hobbiton battered down against assault. Fascinating barracks and fort. Beautiful views all around.
It does sound pretty cool. The closest I've been is a ferry sailing past (on the way to Tallinn), but I guess that's not quite the same as being able to explore it  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on March 30, 2015, 11:14:16 PM
Because I have no sense of direction and can get lost on the head of a pin, I'd probably enjoy a city like Helsinki if it's that easy to navigate, then again it's really cold a lot of the time, so not for me (the only good thing about winter is football aka Aussie Rules). On the other hand despite being directionally challenged I love Venice more than any other city I've ever been to in the world and if you haven't been lost in Venice, then you haven't really been there.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 31, 2015, 06:30:23 AM
Because I have no sense of direction and can get lost on the head of a pin, I'd probably enjoy a city like Helsinki if it's that easy to navigate, then again it's really cold a lot of the time, so not for me (the only good thing about winter is football aka Aussie Rules). On the other hand despite being directionally challenged I love Venice more than any other city I've ever been to in the world and if you haven't been lost in Venice, then you haven't really been there.
It's cold in the winter but fairly warm in the summer - every year that I've been here it's gone above 30C for a few weeks in the summer, plus of course it barely gets dark at all. Summer nights over here are amazing.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on March 31, 2015, 08:31:52 AM
it's gone above 30C for a few weeks in the summer,
That's probably cold for an Aussie ;)
I was over there in *winter* and it was around the early 20s in Sydney and high 20s/early 30s in Cairns and Uluru ;D

And can I just thank you, Elfy, for another blow to the myth that men are the only spacially-aware people on this planet? I'm quite good with maps and I hate the generalisation >:(
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 31, 2015, 08:40:27 AM
it's gone above 30C for a few weeks in the summer,
That's probably cold for an Aussie ;)
I was over there in *winter* and it was around the early 20s in Sydney and high 20s/early 30s in Cairns and Uluru ;D

And can I just thank you, Elfy, for another blow to the myth that men are the only spacially-aware people on this planet? I'm quite good with maps and I hate the generalisation >:(
Yeah more middling I'd say  :P It does approach 40C occasionally, but only for a few days at a time it seems.

The big difference between Australia and Finland in the heat is that Finland isn't prepared for it. In Aus anywhere indoors is usually pretty cool due to the AC - including public transport -  even when it's ridiculously hot outside. Over here, AC seems to be extremely rare. When it gets hot it's hot everywhere and there's no escape, which makes all the difference. Summer in Perth didn't feel as hot subjectively as summer in Finland does.  :P

But yeah, I remember speaking to an Aussie who told me they were freezing and had to wear a couple of layers. Asked what the temperature was, they said "only 18C".  ???
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on March 31, 2015, 09:09:03 AM
it's gone above 30C for a few weeks in the summer,
That's probably cold for an Aussie ;)
I was over there in *winter* and it was around the early 20s in Sydney and high 20s/early 30s in Cairns and Uluru ;D

And can I just thank you, Elfy, for another blow to the myth that men are the only spacially-aware people on this planet? I'm quite good with maps and I hate the generalisation >:(
Yeah more middling I'd say  :P It does approach 40C occasionally, but only for a few days at a time it seems.

The big difference between Australia and Finland in the heat is that Finland isn't prepared for it. In Aus anywhere indoors is usually pretty cool due to the AC - including public transport -  even when it's ridiculously hot outside. Over here, AC seems to be extremely rare. When it gets hot it's hot everywhere and there's no escape, which makes all the difference. Summer in Perth didn't feel as hot subjectively as summer in Finland does.  :P

But yeah, I remember speaking to an Aussie who told me they were freezing and had to wear a couple of layers. Asked what the temperature was, they said "only 18C".  ???

I sympathise with those who suffer long cold winters and remember cold and snow because I grew up and lived in England, but soon re-acclimatised here.  In Scotland, on long winter visit, I got very homesick for Oz because it never seemed to be daylight and no sun at all.

Queenslanders mostly hibernate below 25C ;D and here in Canberra I was wearing wool this morning, it was 20C at first, but by August  we will probably go to -10C at night and up to 10 -15C in day  :(  Sun comes out almost every day, but by late winter everyone here is touchy and grumpy, we all know and recognise it, just happens, then changes as soon as temps start to go up.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 31, 2015, 09:34:47 AM
it's gone above 30C for a few weeks in the summer,
That's probably cold for an Aussie ;)
I was over there in *winter* and it was around the early 20s in Sydney and high 20s/early 30s in Cairns and Uluru ;D

And can I just thank you, Elfy, for another blow to the myth that men are the only spacially-aware people on this planet? I'm quite good with maps and I hate the generalisation >:(
Yeah more middling I'd say  :P It does approach 40C occasionally, but only for a few days at a time it seems.

The big difference between Australia and Finland in the heat is that Finland isn't prepared for it. In Aus anywhere indoors is usually pretty cool due to the AC - including public transport -  even when it's ridiculously hot outside. Over here, AC seems to be extremely rare. When it gets hot it's hot everywhere and there's no escape, which makes all the difference. Summer in Perth didn't feel as hot subjectively as summer in Finland does.  :P

But yeah, I remember speaking to an Aussie who told me they were freezing and had to wear a couple of layers. Asked what the temperature was, they said "only 18C".  ???

I sympathise with those who suffer long cold winters and remember cold and snow because I grew up and lived in England, but soon re-acclimatised here.  In Scotland, on long winter visit, I got very homesick for Oz because it never seemed to be daylight and no sun at all.

Queenslanders mostly hibernate below 25C ;D and here in Canberra I was wearing wool this morning, it was 20C at first, but by August  we will probably go to -10C at night and up to 10 -15C in day  :(  Sun comes out almost every day, but by late winter everyone here is touchy and grumpy, we all know and recognise it, just happens, then changes as soon as temps start to go up.

Actually I love the winters over here, with the right clothing the cold isn't a problem, and it's absolutely beautiful. Because there's so much snow everywhere it's generally really bright, since the snow reflects so much - rarely had that in England since there wasn't quite enough snow. I don't mind having less sunlight in the winter, just means there's even more in the summer. The only bit I don't like is the week or two when the snow is melting, since everywherething gets all wet and slushy... i.e. right now!

Lol yeah, I remember having a heated blanket once when I stayed in Perth - in the summer. You guys really tough it out in your "winter"!  :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lejays17 on March 31, 2015, 09:43:35 AM
it's gone above 30C for a few weeks in the summer,
That's probably cold for an Aussie ;)
I was over there in *winter* and it was around the early 20s in Sydney and high 20s/early 30s in Cairns and Uluru ;D

And can I just thank you, Elfy, for another blow to the myth that men are the only spacially-aware people on this planet? I'm quite good with maps and I hate the generalisation >:(

I can attest that Elfy has no sense of direction  :)  I'm the map-reader / direction finder in the family.  I could say it's because the parents used to take us camping / walking a lot when we were younger, but one of my sisters is as bad at directions as Elfy is.  :D
Elfy can get lost in the local small shopping centre...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on March 31, 2015, 01:29:06 PM
I'm going to have to download an App straight into my brain to even get a glimmer about the strange Celsius language y'all are talking. Look: -20 is dangerous! 0 is frickin cold. 33 is freezing. 68 is wonderful and anything over 90 is getting hot.

Just saying.  ;)

Meanwhile, its a good thing Key West is so small for all the getting lost we've been doing. I wanted to get a beach restaurant last night. Had to fire up Google maps. Distance? 3 minutes, about 1 mile. Without the App? No clue where we were  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on March 31, 2015, 01:47:25 PM
I'm going to have to download an App straight into my brain to even get a glimmer about the strange Celsius language y'all are talking. Look: -20 is dangerous! 0 is frickin cold. 33 is freezing. 68 is wonderful and anything over 90 is getting hot.

Just saying.  ;)

Meanwhile, its a good thing Key West is so small for all the getting lost we've been doing. I wanted to get a beach restaurant last night. Had to fire up Google maps. Distance? 3 minutes, about 1 mile. Without the App? No clue where we were  ;D
In celsius: -30 is dangerous, -20 is frickin cold, 0 is freezing, 20 is wonderful and anything over 35 is getting hot. So over here it's frickin cold in winter, wonderful in spring/autumn, and fairly hot in summer  :P

Lol people and their smartphone dependence...  ::)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Yora on March 31, 2015, 07:16:51 PM
68 is pretty dead.

All the world learns to write like you, and your spelling is a total trainwreck. It's really not so hard to learn to count like the rest of the world. Which, also unlike your counting, is not a total trainwreck. With your feets and galons.... Ts! 8)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on March 31, 2015, 07:21:51 PM
68 is pretty dead.

All the world learns to write like you, and your spelling is a total trainwreck. It's really not so hard to learn to count like the rest of the world. Which, also unlike your counting, is not a total trainwreck. With your feets and galons.... Ts! 8)
Don't forget inches, yards, miles, leagues, ounces, quarts...
 ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on April 01, 2015, 12:39:21 AM
It always strikes me as odd that the US retained imperial measurements. Even Australia went metric years ago. 30 degrees is pretty average for summer down south, although they probably think its cool in the west, the centre and north. I count anything under 20 as getting on the cooler side.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on April 01, 2015, 04:22:15 AM
Degrees is the only time I don't agree with the metric system, because I like Fahrenheit for weather measurement. Celsius is convenient for doing math, but the broader scale of Fahrenheit is useful because there's noticeable a difference between 78 degrees and 79 degrees. The major points are silly, like freezing being 32 instead of 0, and boiling being 212 instead of some even number, but the scaling is right. Especially having lived in a desert half my life, where the temp might shift from one extreme to the other in the course of a day, it's good to have that wider scale.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on April 01, 2015, 06:18:46 AM
Degrees is the only time I don't agree with the metric system, because I like Fahrenheit for weather measurement. Celsius is convenient for doing math, but the broader scale of Fahrenheit is useful because there's noticeable a difference between 78 degrees and 79 degrees. The major points are silly, like freezing being 32 instead of 0, and boiling being 212 instead of some even number, but the scaling is right. Especially having lived in a desert half my life, where the temp might shift from one extreme to the other in the course of a day, it's good to have that wider scale.

It's not uncommon to use half-degrees in C which is actually slightly more granular than Fahrenheit, so even there your argument doesn't wash. Besides, I don't ever remember a single moment where half a degree C/1 degree F has been important to note...  :-\
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on April 01, 2015, 02:03:25 PM
Degrees is the only time I don't agree with the metric system, because I like Fahrenheit for weather measurement. Celsius is convenient for doing math, but the broader scale of Fahrenheit is useful because there's noticeable a difference between 78 degrees and 79 degrees. The major points are silly, like freezing being 32 instead of 0, and boiling being 212 instead of some even number, but the scaling is right. Especially having lived in a desert half my life, where the temp might shift from one extreme to the other in the course of a day, it's good to have that wider scale.

It's not uncommon to use half-degrees in C which is actually slightly more granular than Fahrenheit, so even there your argument doesn't wash. Besides, I don't ever remember a single moment where half a degree C/1 degree F has been important to note...  :-\

I was going to make jokes about all the money the rest of the world is wasting on that extra digit, and then I remembered it's not uncommon to go over 99 degrees F.  :'(

But seriously, with that smaller scale, there must be a temperature where you go from "It's too cold," to "It's perfect" to "It's too hot" and it all happens in the same degree.  :P Or am I the only person that's been conditioned by my air conditioner?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on April 01, 2015, 02:18:42 PM
To solve the problem we should all switch to degrees kelvin. That way no one will have what they want and we'll all be equally happy :)
Though some (including myself to note) will be more equal.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on April 01, 2015, 02:44:24 PM
Degrees is the only time I don't agree with the metric system, because I like Fahrenheit for weather measurement. Celsius is convenient for doing math, but the broader scale of Fahrenheit is useful because there's noticeable a difference between 78 degrees and 79 degrees. The major points are silly, like freezing being 32 instead of 0, and boiling being 212 instead of some even number, but the scaling is right. Especially having lived in a desert half my life, where the temp might shift from one extreme to the other in the course of a day, it's good to have that wider scale.

It's not uncommon to use half-degrees in C which is actually slightly more granular than Fahrenheit, so even there your argument doesn't wash. Besides, I don't ever remember a single moment where half a degree C/1 degree F has been important to note...  :-\

I was going to make jokes about all the money the rest of the world is wasting on that extra digit, and then I remembered it's not uncommon to go over 99 degrees F.  :'(

But seriously, with that smaller scale, there must be a temperature where you go from "It's too cold," to "It's perfect" to "It's too hot" and it all happens in the same degree.  :P Or am I the only person that's been conditioned by my air conditioner?
Lol yeah we don't have AC, and we actually never switch on our heating. Even when it's -20 outside. It stays at least 20 inside no matter what, modern Finnish buildings have insane levels of insulation. All our windows are triple-glazed too  8)

To solve the problem we should all switch to degrees kelvin. That way no one will have what they want and we'll all be equally happy :)
Though some (including myself to note) will be more equal.
Even then I bet the Fahrenheiters would call for Rankine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankine_scale) instead of Kelvin, just to be difficult.  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on April 01, 2015, 02:47:13 PM
Degrees is the only time I don't agree with the metric system, because I like Fahrenheit for weather measurement. Celsius is convenient for doing math, but the broader scale of Fahrenheit is useful because there's noticeable a difference between 78 degrees and 79 degrees. The major points are silly, like freezing being 32 instead of 0, and boiling being 212 instead of some even number, but the scaling is right. Especially having lived in a desert half my life, where the temp might shift from one extreme to the other in the course of a day, it's good to have that wider scale.

It's not uncommon to use half-degrees in C which is actually slightly more granular than Fahrenheit, so even there your argument doesn't wash. Besides, I don't ever remember a single moment where half a degree C/1 degree F has been important to note...  :-\

I was going to make jokes about all the money the rest of the world is wasting on that extra digit, and then I remembered it's not uncommon to go over 99 degrees F.  :'(

But seriously, with that smaller scale, there must be a temperature where you go from "It's too cold," to "It's perfect" to "It's too hot" and it all happens in the same degree.  :P Or am I the only person that's been conditioned by my air conditioner?
Lol yeah we don't have AC, and we actually never switch on our heating. Even when it's -20 outside. It stays at least 20 inside no matter what, modern Finnish buildings have insane levels of insulation. All our windows are triple-glazed too  8)

To solve the problem we should all switch to degrees kelvin. That way no one will have what they want and we'll all be equally happy :)
Though some (including myself to note) will be more equal.
Even then I bet the Fahrenheiters would call for Rankine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankine_scale) instead of Kelvin, just to be difficult.  ;D

Oh please, you could never convince us there is an absolute zero. How foolish do you think we are?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on April 01, 2015, 03:28:01 PM
Does Celsius 232.777 sound as good as Fahrenheit 451?
No.
QED, friends. QED.
  8)

Signed,

the Fahrenheiters
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on April 01, 2015, 03:33:40 PM
Does Celsius 232.777 sound as good as Fahrenheit 451?
No.
QED, friends. QED.
  8)

Signed,

the Fahrenheiters
I think I have that book on my shelf. Never read it. Clearly the reason for that is my subconscious hatred of Fahrenheit.

Signed,
the Fahrenhater

 8)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on April 01, 2015, 11:09:37 PM
Does Celsius 232.777 sound as good as Fahrenheit 451?
No.
QED, friends. QED.
  8)

Signed,

the Fahrenheiters
Bear in mind my friend that Ray Bradbury was an American author, so therefore used that scale. Suzanne Vega did the same thing with her song 99.9 Degrees. I do have to admit that it sounds better, though. I just can't get my head around using that scale. Was a real bugger over there, I had to keep converting it mentally to work out how hot or cold it was going to be.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on April 08, 2015, 09:26:46 PM
I have just discovered that just by being with my electricity provider I'm getting reward points, and I can exchange those points by vouchers that I can use.... in the bookshop!!!! ;D
And I still haven't used all my birthday/christmas book gift cards!

And linking to the previous post: my car today showed 20 degrees outside :o I think the last time I saw that here was last August, or something ;D
(next week it'll go down to more normal values for the season, but for now I'm enjoying the sun 8))
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on April 08, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
Does Celsius 232.777 sound as good as Fahrenheit 451?
No.
QED, friends. QED.
  8)

Signed,

the Fahrenheiters
Bear in mind my friend that Ray Bradbury was an American author, so therefore used that scale. Suzanne Vega did the same thing with her song 99.9 Degrees. I do have to admit that it sounds better, though. I just can't get my head around using that scale. Was a real bugger over there, I had to keep converting it mentally to work out how hot or cold it was going to be.

And "99 Red Balloons" by Nena is ninety-nine in any language, thank goodness.
Oh, wait, that's "Neunundneunzig Luftballons""


 ??? My head hurts
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on April 09, 2015, 12:30:47 AM
Does Celsius 232.777 sound as good as Fahrenheit 451?
No.
QED, friends. QED.
  8)

Signed,

the Fahrenheiters
Bear in mind my friend that Ray Bradbury was an American author, so therefore used that scale. Suzanne Vega did the same thing with her song 99.9 Degrees. I do have to admit that it sounds better, though. I just can't get my head around using that scale. Was a real bugger over there, I had to keep converting it mentally to work out how hot or cold it was going to be.

And "99 Red Balloons" by Nena is ninety-nine in any language, thank goodness.
Oh, wait, that's "Neunundneunzig Luftballons""


 ??? My head hurts
The actual name of the song is Neun und neunzig luft balloons. Xi could probably give us a proper translation, but my own high school German tells me that's 99 air balloons. The red balloon thing only came in when they did an English translation. I actually think the song sounds better in German than the English translation, and I'm pretty sure both versions were chart toppers down here all those years ago in 1984.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on April 09, 2015, 12:37:49 AM
Does Celsius 232.777 sound as good as Fahrenheit 451?
No.
QED, friends. QED.
  8)

Signed,

the Fahrenheiters
Bear in mind my friend that Ray Bradbury was an American author, so therefore used that scale. Suzanne Vega did the same thing with her song 99.9 Degrees. I do have to admit that it sounds better, though. I just can't get my head around using that scale. Was a real bugger over there, I had to keep converting it mentally to work out how hot or cold it was going to be.

And "99 Red Balloons" by Nena is ninety-nine in any language, thank goodness.
Oh, wait, that's "Neunundneunzig Luftballons""


 ??? My head hurts
The actual name of the song is Neun und neunzig luft balloons. Xi could probably give us a proper translation, but my own high school German tells me that's 99 air balloons. The red balloon thing only came in when they did an English translation. I actually think the song sounds better in German than the English translation, and I'm pretty sure both versions were chart toppers down here all those years ago in 1984.
Darn Internet, for wrong German spelling earlier.

Per Wikipedia, we should be saying: 99 Luftballons

Because it makes so much difference.  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on April 09, 2015, 12:39:53 AM
Does Celsius 232.777 sound as good as Fahrenheit 451?
No.
QED, friends. QED.
  8)

Signed,

the Fahrenheiters
Bear in mind my friend that Ray Bradbury was an American author, so therefore used that scale. Suzanne Vega did the same thing with her song 99.9 Degrees. I do have to admit that it sounds better, though. I just can't get my head around using that scale. Was a real bugger over there, I had to keep converting it mentally to work out how hot or cold it was going to be.

And "99 Red Balloons" by Nena is ninety-nine in any language, thank goodness.
Oh, wait, that's "Neunundneunzig Luftballons""


 ??? My head hurts
The actual name of the song is Neun und neunzig luft balloons. Xi could probably give us a proper translation, but my own high school German tells me that's 99 air balloons. The red balloon thing only came in when they did an English translation. I actually think the song sounds better in German than the English translation, and I'm pretty sure both versions were chart toppers down here all those years ago in 1984.
Darn Internet, for wrong German spelling earlier.

Per Wikipedia, we should be saying: 99 Luftballons

Because it makes so much difference.  :)
Well, it kind of does when you just add in a random colour that the original song writer never had in it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on April 09, 2015, 07:33:28 AM
It's what happens when you translate things from the original, in any medium :P

Ahhh Nena... my teenage years ;D

Edit: argh, I'm becoming the battleground between @Nighteyes (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=272) and @Jmacyk (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094): just noticed my new customised title :D
(you could have kept the old one and added yours, jackpal 8))
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on April 09, 2015, 06:21:54 PM
Edit: argh, I'm becoming the battleground between @Nighteyes (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=272) and @Jmacyk (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094): just noticed my new customised title :D

And yet another one! ;D
I'm so glad I added the disclaimer to my signature 8)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on April 15, 2015, 05:16:29 PM
Do you think Mark Lawrence  “The Red Sister Trilogy” First Book will be Called Princess of....
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on April 16, 2015, 10:04:40 AM
Do you think Mark Lawrence  “The Red Sister Trilogy” First Book will be Called Princess of....
Thorns of the Princess if you ask me.  :P ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on April 16, 2015, 11:00:14 AM
How about:

Sister of the Bloody Road
Sister of the Bloodier Road
Sister of the Bloodiest Damn Road
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on April 16, 2015, 11:24:48 AM
How about:

Sister of the Bloody Road
Sister of the Bloodier Road
Sister of the Bloodiest Damn Road

Sister of the bloody Goat!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on April 18, 2015, 03:55:44 PM
hehehe
And to show I'm impartial, I'm currently reading a book where a goat is a key character and I've just bought 2 books featuring dragons ;D
(wolfs will come later, I'm sure)

Great day, because in the charity shop where I volunteer there are never 'good books' (i.e. fantasy), but today someone made a donation and I caught 2 even before they hit the shelves: Naomi Novik's Temeraire, which had been recommended to me here.
I got that one and number 2 in the series - they also got 3 and 4, but I didn't get them this time... should I?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on April 18, 2015, 05:05:52 PM
Cheap books to complete a series... vs. groceries.
You can't read groceries.  ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on April 18, 2015, 05:50:48 PM
Cheap books to complete a series... vs. groceries.
You can't read groceries.  ;)
lies! I read this amazing story on my lamb meat package...oh oops >.>
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on April 19, 2015, 01:43:05 AM
hehehe
And to show I'm impartial, I'm currently reading a book where a goat is a key character and I've just bought 2 books featuring dragons ;D
(wolfs will come later, I'm sure)

Great day, because in the charity shop where I volunteer there are never 'good books' (i.e. fantasy), but today someone made a donation and I caught 2 even before they hit the shelves: Naomi Novik's Temeraire, which had been recommended to me here.
I got that one and number 2 in the series - they also got 3 and 4, but I didn't get them this time... should I?
Read the first two and see how you feel about them first. They start off strong and fun, but IMO, have been on a decline for a while now.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on April 19, 2015, 01:43:31 PM
Thanks, Elfy.

Yesterday I rearranged all my fantasy shelves, to accommodate all the new books I got.
Today I rearranged my non-fantasy shelves and decided to get rid of 12 books that I know I won't ever read again (Bridget Jones, Ben Elton, teen stuff, etc, and just plain boring ones) - I want more space for fantasy ;D
So off to the charity shop with them next week!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on April 20, 2015, 12:15:04 AM
Thanks, Elfy.

Yesterday I rearranged all my fantasy shelves, to accommodate all the new books I got.
Today I rearranged my non-fantasy shelves and decided to get rid of 12 books that I know I won't ever read again (Bridget Jones, Ben Elton, teen stuff, etc, and just plain boring ones) - I want more space for fantasy ;D
So off to the charity shop with them next week!
We really need to do another reorg of our library. We may even find out copy of Charming and The Reformed Vampire Support Group with the cool cover.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on April 22, 2015, 04:41:10 AM
Thanks, Elfy.

Yesterday I rearranged all my fantasy shelves, to accommodate all the new books I got.
Today I rearranged my non-fantasy shelves and decided to get rid of 12 books that I know I won't ever read again (Bridget Jones, Ben Elton, teen stuff, etc, and just plain boring ones) - I want more space for fantasy ;D
So off to the charity shop with them next week!

I'm actually doing this myself right now.  We're getting our house ready to sell and so I'm having to pack up my books and put my bookshelf in storage to make it look like we have more space.  There are a lot of books that I was into 15 years ago that I don't think I would ever read or would really be eager to pass them on to my daughter (and any future kids) so I'm making a bunch of keep and sell/donate piles.  Happily the majority are going into the keep pile but I keep looking at the space being freed up and anticipating a shopping spree when we finally move.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on April 22, 2015, 08:00:52 AM
See, I know you're supposed to turn your house into something that 'appeals to everyone' when you're trying to sell, but if I was viewing one and it had massive bookshelves, it would really predispose me favourably to get that one :)
Sometimes when watching the 'Location'-type programs I just think how bookshelf space is being so awfully squandered by people, hehe

Anyway, going through books is a good feeling, isn't it?
Yesterday I was actually looking at my 'office' room, at a space currently just with my recycling boxes, and thinking that would fit a new shelf set perfectly - and then I could move some of non-fantasy books from the living room to there, and get more space for fantasy in the main space, not double-stacked, and and...
A trip to Ikea is in order :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on April 22, 2015, 07:23:31 PM
Just had to share this  8)

What do you think... are they yelling "kawabunga!" or "holy cr*p!"?

(http://i.imgur.com/3T04oCo.png)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on April 22, 2015, 08:01:33 PM
They don't seem particularly scared, hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on April 22, 2015, 09:35:10 PM
They don't seem particularly scared, hehe
One vote for kawabunga!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on April 23, 2015, 04:17:12 AM
Going through books is the best way to unintentionally waste time.   It has felt like every book I have touched I have to read a chapter or two (or more)  before I can sort it.   It especially seems so with the books I plan on giving away as this will probably be the last time I get to read them.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on April 23, 2015, 11:10:33 PM
I was catching up with an old friend via brief emails today. I've mentioned him before; he was an editor for SFF at a major publisher and had a lot of involvement in various Star Wars books.

I thought my forum friends might get a slight chuckle plus he has a word of encouragement we an all use:
One bit of context, his wife Linda is also a friend.

Quote
Yes, I’m aware of the “Sad Puppies” campaign, though I haven’t personally voted on the Hugos for decades (I *accepted* one somewhere around 1995). Linda won’t know what you're talking about: Bob Silverberg identified her as my “Stealth Wife” as we filed in for that ceremony. But keep writing: find something that you really believe in and then pour it on.

Bob Silverberg. As in Robert Silverberg. As in SF grandmaster.  Name dropper :p :)

Meanwhile, I'm all about his last comment. Pour it on.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on April 23, 2015, 11:58:02 PM
I was catching up with an old friend via brief emails today. I've mentioned him before; he was an editor for SFF at a major publisher and had a lot of involvement in various Star Wars books.

I thought my forum friends might get a slight chuckle plus he has a word of encouragement we an all use:
One bit of context, his wife Linda is also a friend.

Quote
Yes, I’m aware of the “Sad Puppies” campaign, though I haven’t personally voted on the Hugos for decades (I *accepted* one somewhere around 1995). Linda won’t know what you're talking about: Bob Silverberg identified her as my “Stealth Wife” as we filed in for that ceremony. But keep writing: find something that you really believe in and then pour it on.

Bob Silverberg. As in Robert Silverberg. As in SF grandmaster.  Name dropper :p :)

Meanwhile, I'm all about his last comment. Pour it on.
Robert Silverberg, or Bob as people who know him call him, has the most marvellous speaking voice, he should have been an actor or a voice over guy. He also gives some of the funniest speeches at the Hugos where he often presents. I still fondly remember him comparing editors to wombats, and the editors came off second best.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on April 24, 2015, 07:47:16 AM
I was catching up with an old friend via brief emails today. I've mentioned him before; he was an editor for SFF at a major publisher and had a lot of involvement in various Star Wars books.

I thought my forum friends might get a slight chuckle plus he has a word of encouragement we an all use:
One bit of context, his wife Linda is also a friend.

Quote
Yes, I’m aware of the “Sad Puppies” campaign, though I haven’t personally voted on the Hugos for decades (I *accepted* one somewhere around 1995). Linda won’t know what you're talking about: Bob Silverberg identified her as my “Stealth Wife” as we filed in for that ceremony. But keep writing: find something that you really believe in and then pour it on.

Bob Silverberg. As in Robert Silverberg. As in SF grandmaster.  Name dropper :p :)

Meanwhile, I'm all about his last comment. Pour it on.
I have no idea who that is...  :-[
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on April 24, 2015, 07:48:24 AM
You're not alone Raptori - sometimes I feel I seriously lack in all fantasy background/sidenotes...
Then again, that hasn't stopped me from enjoying books, so I don't care very much, hehe

I love this, though "find something that you really believe in and then pour it on" --> this is for living, not just for writing :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on April 24, 2015, 09:46:46 AM
And I had no idea  who Sanderson, Abercrombie, and so many more are until I joined F-F.  :o

My references are just... old. :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on April 24, 2015, 10:02:14 AM
And I had no idea  who Sanderson, Abercrombie, and so many more are until I joined F-F.  :o

My references are just... old. :P
That's pretty understandable though, I had no idea that Sanderson was a popular author when I first stumbled upon the Goodreads page for Mistborn and decided to buy it on a whim. There are a ton of authors people talk about a lot around here that are still just a name to me, Abercrombie being one of them!  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on April 24, 2015, 02:52:31 PM
It's a quiet day on the forum. The tumbleweeds are rolling in the U.S. and the crickets are chirping in the U.K. Night has fallen in Australia, and the kookaburras are probably all nestled in their beds while visions of sugar drops dance in their heads.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on April 24, 2015, 03:02:22 PM
Have some noise:
(http://nightlightclub.com/sites/default/files/events/white_noise_1_by_falln_stock.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on April 24, 2015, 03:04:34 PM
It's a quiet day on the forum. The tumbleweeds are rolling in the U.S. and the crickets are chirping in the U.K. Night has fallen in Australia, and the kookaburras are probably all nestled in their beds while visions of sugar drops dance in their heads.
(http://rs2img.memecdn.com/Meanwhile-in-finland_c_146294.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on April 24, 2015, 03:07:20 PM
Have some noise:
(http://nightlightclub.com/sites/default/files/events/white_noise_1_by_falln_stock.jpg)

Oh the memories.... listening to remnants of the Big Bang...
This doesn't exist anymore :( no signal means a plain blue screen...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on April 24, 2015, 03:09:59 PM
Have some noise:
(http://nightlightclub.com/sites/default/files/events/white_noise_1_by_falln_stock.jpg)

Oh the memories.... listening to remnants of the Big Bang...
This doesn't exist anymore :( no signal means a plain blue screen...

I still have a telly with an antenna in my room which I use to watch vhs. It makes this and I love it. I feel Cosmic wavelets in my dreams.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on April 24, 2015, 03:19:16 PM
Wow, you're living in a fantasy pre-tech world ;D

After all my country moves, I left all old technology in the original place, but when I'm feeling more nostalgic I wish I could still watch my old 'recorded from TV in the late 80s' music videos (or the original motion picture where I play an explorer that encounters a pig-using tribe ;D all of 4 minutes of a uni project, hehe)

And linking to books, I wish I also still had the books of my youth/pre-teen... After I became 'too grown-up' for them (in my full teen opinion) we put them in boxes, kept in my parents' home for years and years... until they needed the space and gave most of them away to local schools and small libraries.
I had lots on greek and roman mythology that would be fab to re-read now!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on April 24, 2015, 06:00:18 PM
Today the weather finally felt warm enough to leave our coats at home - jeans, tshirt and hoodie weather. Apparently my current threshold for that is 7°C (44.6°F)...   ???
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Yora on April 24, 2015, 06:03:10 PM
I've been lying in the sun all week, and it's not even May yet.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on April 24, 2015, 06:06:05 PM
It's been 14°C here for some time now :)
Gotta love all that sunshine  8)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on April 24, 2015, 06:10:39 PM
Oh it's been sunny as hell here too, which I guess is why it feels fine to be out without coats - the sun really helps warm you up.  :P

Supposedly Oslo (same latitude as Helsinki) has had a week of over 20°C, which is so unfair.  >:(
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on April 24, 2015, 07:56:13 PM
There was a point when it was the LAW for every fantasy anthology to have a Robert Silverberg story in.  I have bought  a few more recently without him in so the law must have changed, but basically buy any fantasy anthology from the 70s to about 2010, and you'll find a story by him in it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Yora on April 24, 2015, 08:27:25 PM
Oh, look at that. I got sunburn...  ;D

There was a point when it was the LAW for every fantasy anthology to have a Robert Silverberg story in.
I can't say I've ever heard of him before.

But oh my, he does write a LOT! Wikipedia lists about 90 novels, plus a huge lot of other stuff.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on April 24, 2015, 08:28:44 PM
There was a point when it was the LAW for every fantasy anthology to have a Robert Silverberg story in.  I have bought  a few more recently without him in so the law must have changed, but basically buy any fantasy anthology from the 70s to about 2010, and you'll find a story by him in it.
I've never bought an anthology... and pretty much never read short fiction until a few months ago. Maybe that explains it, at least a little? (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Yora on April 24, 2015, 08:34:21 PM
Writes like crazy, few people know him.

Maybe he's not really good... :D

But he doesn't even make it on any of the lists of most productive writers I've found. Soposedly the record is 4,000 "novels", but that means an average of about 2 works per week over 60 years, so I very much doubt you could call it "novels".
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on April 24, 2015, 08:36:13 PM
Anybody here know Gordon Dickson? (I know some do, but of course, I'm old, so)
His military SF (Dorsai series) is a huge source of good fun and interesting model for writing.
Soldier Ask Not is brilliant.
He also wrote some fun fantasy.

(Relevance to Silverberg conversation? He was a contemporary.)
(I remember an old filk song at the one or two conventions I attended as a teen:

Gordie Dickson, Gordie Dickson, Gordie Dickson is the one.
Science fiction is his hobby, but his main job's having fun.
On the wagon, on the wagon, on the wagon doin' fine;
til I met with Gordie Dickson and we drank a ton of wine.
Gordie Dickson, Gordie Dickson, Gordie Dickson is the one.
Science fiction is his hobby, but his main job's having fun.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Rostum on April 24, 2015, 09:28:47 PM
Quote
Anybody here know Gordon Dickson? (I know some do, but of course, I'm old, so)
His military SF (Dorsai series) is a huge source of good fun and interesting model for writing.
Soldier Ask Not is brilliant.

I have an urge to find my Dorsai books now.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on April 25, 2015, 12:36:09 AM
Anybody here know Gordon Dickson? (I know some do, but of course, I'm old, so)
His military SF (Dorsai series) is a huge source of good fun and interesting model for writing.
Soldier Ask Not is brilliant.
He also wrote some fun fantasy.

(Relevance to Silverberg conversation? He was a contemporary.)
(I remember an old filk song at the one or two conventions I attended as a teen:

Gordie Dickson, Gordie Dickson, Gordie Dickson is the one.
Science fiction is his hobby, but his main job's having fun.
On the wagon, on the wagon, on the wagon doin' fine;
til I met with Gordie Dickson and we drank a ton of wine.
Gordie Dickson, Gordie Dickson, Gordie Dickson is the one.
Science fiction is his hobby, but his main job's having fun.
The Dragon and the George is probably the best known of his comic fantasy and sparked off the Dragon Knight series. The last of those came out in 2000, and Dickson passed away in 2001.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on May 02, 2015, 07:26:25 PM
I bought another book today (even though I still have 2 unread at home...). I got one for my niece and I *had* to get another to make it to my stamp card, hehe
(and all the books I've bought so far this year have been still with gift cards from birthday and christmas ;D that finished now, though...)

I had an annoying discussion about books this afternoon - nobody understands me but you guys....
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on May 02, 2015, 07:40:20 PM
Oh what was the annoying discussion something like fantasy aren't real books YAWNS who cares about those type of people you got us  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Doctor_Chill on May 02, 2015, 07:43:02 PM
I had an annoying discussion about books this afternoon - nobody understands me but you guys....

I think it was Thursday, but somebody asked me to define sub-genres and how many of them were in Fantasy. (Because somebody claimed Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, and Game of Thrones were practically the same thing under Fantasy.)

Cue me rattling off everything from Sword and Sorcery to Sword and Sandal to Wuxia or East Asian Fantasy and China's publishing market to trying to pin down the difference between PNR, UF, and Supernatural. It was so much fun. Why can't I have more moments like this?  ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on May 02, 2015, 07:44:56 PM
No, funnily enough most were fantasy fans (one is actually a very good writer).
It was about genres and focus and plot devices and dissing authors/books I love, and putting 'magical realism' in fantasy. And please can we have a conversation where ASoIaF isn't mentioned? ::)
And then I just gave up, because I had this massive headache and I don't do well in groups anyway :-\
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on May 03, 2015, 12:52:00 AM
No, funnily enough most were fantasy fans (one is actually a very good writer).
It was about genres and focus and plot devices and dissing authors/books I love, and putting 'magical realism' in fantasy. And please can we have a conversation where ASoIaF isn't mentioned? ::)
And then I just gave up, because I had this massive headache and I don't do well in groups anyway :-\
ASoIaF is the new LotR.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on May 03, 2015, 03:09:46 AM
Hard to believe but I haven't read or watched ASoIaF.  I only became aware of it when about five books were already out and the sheer size of the series put me right off as there is so much else I want to read. The publicity has given me a fairly good idea of what it is all about and it sounds an amazing work of fantasy with a great deal to enjoy, but again, I just don't feel like wading through it all yet. For once, I am glad Patrick Rothfuss spaces Kvothe out sparingly, as I can enjoy without being swamped and read more in between.

And my love of dragons has never had anything to do with Danaerys - that came from Dragonlance.  ;D

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on May 03, 2015, 07:20:29 AM
I always like cyan and skie from Dragonlance there were much more interesting then the metallic coloured dragons. I once had a dragonlance blue dragon mouse mat.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on May 03, 2015, 08:07:31 AM
Hard to believe but I haven't read or watched ASoIaF.  I only became aware of it when about five books were already out and the sheer size of the series put me right off as there is so much else I want to read. The publicity has given me a fairly good idea of what it is all about and it sounds an amazing work of fantasy with a great deal to enjoy, but again, I just don't feel like wading through it all yet. For once, I am glad Patrick Rothfuss spaces Kvothe out sparingly, as I can enjoy without being swamped and read more in between.

And my love of dragons has never had anything to do with Danaerys - that came from Dragonlance.  ;D
Despite them being in the title, my focus was never really on the dragons. I was a fan of the kender. Adored their names: Tasslehoff Burfoot, Uncle Trapspringer, Earwig Lockpicker.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on May 03, 2015, 08:33:14 AM
I loved the lender and the Dragonlance tinker gnomes.mt nevermind lol

Did you read the spelljammer novels with the gnomes from Dragonlance in it ? Really enjoyed the first four books in the series but last two were  disappointing

I Loved the Roger E Moore Dragonlance shorts
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on May 03, 2015, 08:45:25 AM
I loved the lender and the Dragonlance tinker gnomes.mt nevermind lol

Did you read the spelljammer novels with the gnomes from Dragonlance in it ? Really enjoyed the first four books in the series but last two were  disappointing

I Loved the Roger E Moore Dragonlance shorts
I read the Spelljammers, long time ago, though. From memory you're right, started off strong, but didn't finish well.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Saraband on May 03, 2015, 09:37:55 AM
Here's how these forums strangely impact my everyday life: yesterday I was at my job, and it was one of those 'nothing is happening' moments, so I read a bit.

Well, isn't it great when suddenly, out of nowhere, one of the main characters starts telling a story to his child... about a goat? And all I can think of is "I got to share this with the others, @Jmack (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094) will love it."

"Once, back before the Empire, when the world was very new," Otah said, then paused. "There, ah. There was a goat."

It's in book three of The Long Price Quartet, by Daniel Abraham  ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on May 03, 2015, 11:40:29 AM
Here's how these forums strangely impact my everyday life: yesterday I was at my job, and it was one of those 'nothing is happening' moments, so I read a bit.

Well, isn't it great when suddenly, out of nowhere, one of the main characters starts telling a story to his child... about a goat? And all I can think of is "I got to share this with the others, @Jmack (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094) will love it."

"Once, back before the Empire, when the world was very new," Otah said, then paused. "There, ah. There was a goat."

It's in book three of The Long Price Quartet, by Daniel Abraham  ;)
Because goats are everywhere, of course.  ;)
Meanwhile, LPQ to the top of the TBR, PDQ.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on May 04, 2015, 03:01:46 PM
Speaking of goats. True story.

My son, the organic farmer, has been volunteering at a goat farm in addition to working full time as assistant farm manager at a veggie-only farm. He and the goat farmer were planning to go to a local May Fair, and she called him to come down early since one of the doe's was in labor. Would he like to see the birth? Dave had never seen a farm animal give birth before, so he drove on down the road.

Well, what was supposed to be a blessed event turned into heck in a hand basket. They had to take the doe to the vet (only the third time in 30 years she'd had to take one her animals to a vet) and the kids were delivered by c-section, but not alive. The doe was injured in the initial labor and had to be put down.

Makes me think about "tone" in writing. Anyone under 40 remember the British books/series "All Creatures Great and Small", about a country veterinarian? Real stuff like this happened in those, but the tone was more Tolkien than Grimdark. Still worked; still was real. I compare and contrast just a way to say there's more than one way to be "realistic" in writing.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on May 04, 2015, 03:50:03 PM
That must have been a shattering  experience for your son, especially as a first of an animal birth and hopefully  there will be future happier events he can watch or help with.  I remember All Creatures Great and Small and there have been other pretty good real life vet series on TV where they don't flinch from the truth, but obviously not in graphic detail. 

Most  goats are lovely, my brother in law had a pig farm and kept a few goats as well, they had soft silky coats and were gentle but skittish. So I may tease you about Atku but am  secret admirer. Surprisingly enough, well looked after pigs are great as well, but bit big to hang around with too closely.  I am rambling, forgive me,  it is 12.46am my time so better sign off. :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on May 05, 2015, 01:08:56 AM
Speaking of goats. True story.

My son, the organic farmer, has been volunteering at a goat farm in addition to working full time as assistant farm manager at a veggie-only farm. He and the goat farmer were planning to go to a local May Fair, and she called him to come down early since one of the doe's was in labor. Would he like to see the birth? Dave had never seen a farm animal give birth before, so he drove on down the road.

Well, what was supposed to be a blessed event turned into heck in a hand basket. They had to take the doe to the vet (only the third time in 30 years she'd had to take one her animals to a vet) and the kids were delivered by c-section, but not alive. The doe was injured in the initial labor and had to be put down.

Makes me think about "tone" in writing. Anyone under 40 remember the British books/series "All Creatures Great and Small", about a country veterinarian? Real stuff like this happened in those, but the tone was more Tolkien than Grimdark. Still worked; still was real. I compare and contrast just a way to say there's more than one way to be "realistic" in writing.
I remember All Creatures Great and Small, books and the TV show, which was Peter Davison's first major role before he landed the gig as the 5th Doctor in Doctor Who. There's a chap called Gervase Phinn, who spent a large part of his life as a school inspector in Yorkshire, he has a series of books called The Dales series, which are humorous accounts of his time as an inspector. There are some great bits in it, how the farming Yorkshire kids see Peter Rabbit as the villain of those stories and Mr McGregor as the put upon hero. There's another wonderful sequence where a young girl asks an impressively moustached executive if she can have a moustache like his and why not and what does it do?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on May 20, 2015, 05:42:57 PM
Oooh today I found out that Elizabeth Bear and Sarah Monette have written volume 3 of their Iskryne series, to be published later this year after a 4 year gap :D
I so enjoyed those books!!!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on May 30, 2015, 02:19:22 PM
I've been to the library and got 4 books: 1 traditional sci-fi (Wells), 1 fantasy (Temeraire 4), 1 fiction and 1 that might be fiction or steampunk, not quite sure yet, hehe :)
And my Ryria still hasn't arrived >:(
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on June 12, 2015, 05:53:27 PM
That Iron Ship book from the article on the main site today looks really cool, I will add it to my wishlist :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Roxxsmom on June 16, 2015, 06:35:41 AM


Makes me think about "tone" in writing. Anyone under 40 remember the British books/series "All Creatures Great and Small", about a country veterinarian? Real stuff like this happened in those, but the tone was more Tolkien than Grimdark. Still worked; still was real. I compare and contrast just a way to say there's more than one way to be "realistic" in writing.

I remember that series. Loved the books and the TV show, and they were immensely popular in the US (I believe the popularity in America is what made Alf Wight--the real James Herriot's--fortune). I still reread/rewatch them every few years. I won't say my age, though. They're still in print, though, and yes, I know what you mean about tone. There was quite a bit of grit in them, especially the first couple books, and some "adult" language. There were plenty of sad, even tragic, tales. But there was also plenty of triumph and hope, and underlying it all was the voice and personality of a man who came off as very decent and humane. When he passed away, I felt like I'd lost a friend, even though I never met him. There aren't many authors I can say that of.

And when I was in the UK a few years back, I insisted on my traveling companions making a side trip to Thirsk and the James Herriot museum, which is actually in the house where he and his partners practiced for many years. Yes, it made me squee to see the place.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on June 20, 2015, 03:37:04 PM
You know how I always say I don't buy hardbacks, blah blah?
Well, every rule has an exception ::) just ordered Liar's Key :D :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on June 21, 2015, 05:51:26 AM
Oh how naïve can someone be, I really thought I knew a lot about life.  ;) Have recently learned why some people get their knickers in a twist about paranormal romance being called fantasy and also why other people believe fantasy is trashy ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


I truly thought it was all like Gail Carriger or even Charlaine Harris.
OK not my taste but each to their own.

Then the RPG made me ask questions and someone told me about....................
OK not my taste but each to their own but  SOOOOOO funny.
 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on June 21, 2015, 10:58:08 AM
Oh how naïve can someone be, I really thought I knew a lot about life.  ;) Have recently learned why some people get their knickers in a twist about paranormal romance being called fantasy and also why other people believe fantasy is trashy ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


I truly thought it was all like Gail Carriger or even Charlaine Harris.
OK not my taste but each to their own.

Then the RPG made me ask questions and someone told me about....................
OK not my taste but each to their own but  SOOOOOO funny.

Are we talking dinosaur erotica here?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on June 21, 2015, 11:18:43 AM
Oh how naïve can someone be, I really thought I knew a lot about life.  ;) Have recently learned why some people get their knickers in a twist about paranormal romance being called fantasy and also why other people believe fantasy is trashy ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


I truly thought it was all like Gail Carriger or even Charlaine Harris.
OK not my taste but each to their own.

Then the RPG made me ask questions and someone told me about....................
OK not my taste but each to their own but  SOOOOOO funny.

Are we talking dinosaur erotica here?

I think we don't need to be *that* drastic ;) Are you having strange feelings about the velociraptors in the RPG, Wolfie? ;)

Lady Ty told me in a PM who she was talking about  and I searched 'amazon look inside' - I have to admit to agreeing with her ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on June 21, 2015, 11:48:53 AM
I was talking about these:

(http://project-nerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/dinosaur-erotica-novels.jpg)

What are you two discussing? I am intrigued...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on June 21, 2015, 11:54:55 AM
Those can NOT be real books!!!! :o

You wish you knew ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on June 21, 2015, 12:00:11 PM
Yep, it's a real thing.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/10/qa-the-women-who-write-dinosaur-erotica.html
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Rukaio_Alter on June 21, 2015, 12:04:39 PM
I was talking about these:

(http://project-nerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/dinosaur-erotica-novels.jpg)

What are you two discussing? I am intrigued...
That is a tiny fucking triceratops.

Quite literally, in this case.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on June 21, 2015, 12:07:16 PM
I was talking about these:

(http://project-nerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/dinosaur-erotica-novels.jpg)

What are you two discussing? I am intrigued...
That is a tiny fucking triceratops.

Quite literally, in this case.

And judging by the velicoraptor's walk, and I am not sure he'll be that interested in the lady.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on June 21, 2015, 12:24:41 PM
I was talking about these:

(http://project-nerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/dinosaur-erotica-novels.jpg)

What are you two discussing? I am intrigued...
That is a tiny fucking triceratops.

Quite literally, in this case.

And judging by the velicoraptor's walk, and I am not sure he'll be that interested in the lady.
I think we may need some explanation from our experts @Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840) and @Saurus (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40290). Hopefully, a PG explanation.  :o
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on June 21, 2015, 12:46:04 PM
Yep, it's a real thing.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/10/qa-the-women-who-write-dinosaur-erotica.html

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

OK thanks for extending my education even further, that's enough for the time being  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on June 21, 2015, 12:49:57 PM
Yep, it's a real thing.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/10/qa-the-women-who-write-dinosaur-erotica.html

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

OK thanks for extending my education even further, that's enough for the time being  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Ummm, can I hear you clicking on Amazon from here?  What's that, a new kindle purchase?  :o
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on June 21, 2015, 01:00:42 PM
Awesome, why didn't I have the idea to get rich by writing dinosaur porn erotica?  ;D

And coincidentally I stumbled about something quite fitting yesterday.

One of the worst published sex scenes ever:

(http://i.imgur.com/kF5n0G3.jpg)

(caution: the writing is NSFW and you may die laughing because it's so bad)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on June 21, 2015, 01:39:23 PM
Honestly crying with laughter, lost for words.....
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Doctor_Chill on June 21, 2015, 01:58:18 PM
Spongy love mountains. Yep, definitely using that one in the future.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on June 21, 2015, 02:52:58 PM
I am going to ignore that I ever read that, yuk! ;D

My books have arrived, hurrah!
By the way, I got a voucher for a 30-day trial membership at audible.co.uk, plus a free audiobook. I'm not going to use it, so if anyone's interested, just send me a PM
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on June 22, 2015, 12:33:18 AM
I was talking about these:

(http://project-nerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/dinosaur-erotica-novels.jpg)

What are you two discussing? I am intrigued...

Well my Christmas shopping is now done, thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on June 22, 2015, 12:34:29 AM
Xi, you do know that once someone sees something it's really hard to unsee it?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: PeteMC on June 22, 2015, 02:12:39 PM
Wow, first thread I look at on this forum and there's dinosaur porn and a guy having a dick aneurysm? I'm going to like it here  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Ryan Mueller on June 22, 2015, 05:28:46 PM
Apparently, that excerpt isn't actually from the book. Someone made it up. The "dick attack" line is there, though.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on June 22, 2015, 06:11:07 PM
Xi, you do know that once someone sees something it's really hard to unsee it?
That's what the warning was for.  ;D

What you wrote:
Apparently, that excerpt isn't actually from the book. Someone made it up. The "dick attack" line is there, though.
What I read:
I read that book.
;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Ryan Mueller on June 22, 2015, 06:28:31 PM
Yep, guilty as charged. I love me some cheesy erotica.  ;)

Actually, I just looked it up on Goodreads, and one of the reviews pointed out that the infamous passage was made up.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eli_Freysson on June 23, 2015, 08:30:39 PM
I just want to pop in to say that I clicked on this thread out of curiosity and was immediately treated to dinosaur erotica.

Dinosaur erotica.

Thank you, internet (sort of) for making the world a more interesting place.  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on June 23, 2015, 08:43:26 PM
hehehe
I have to admit I wasn't thinking of that when I created the thread ::)
The world of books is admirable 8)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eli_Freysson on June 23, 2015, 08:44:56 PM
hehehe
I have to admit I wasn't thinking of that when I created the thread ::)
The world of books is admirable 8)

Well, if nothing else it gives you something to talk about. :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on June 27, 2015, 08:07:40 PM
Awesome, why didn't I have the idea to get rich by writing dinosaur porn erotica?  ;D

And coincidentally I stumbled about something quite fitting yesterday.

One of the worst published sex scenes ever:

(http://i.imgur.com/kF5n0G3.jpg)

(caution: the writing is NSFW and you may die laughing because it's so bad)

A friend of mine owns this book. He reads it to a crowd while doing a Michael Caine impersonation. Quite inspiring.

Apparently, that excerpt isn't actually from the book. Someone made it up. The "dick attack" line is there, though.

The galloping abs bit is real too, from what I remember. But I don't think it's in the same place.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on June 28, 2015, 10:09:53 AM
I'm not reading fast enough to post comments and discussions on actual books :-\ (I don't like to comment half way)
Fat books, hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on July 08, 2015, 06:30:53 PM
Before the summer period or Christmas, newspapers like to publish 'best books for X' lists.
Every single time I open it, hoping to see at least a single SFF book in those lists.
Every single time I end up disappointed.

Apparently there are only 4 genres: fiction (yes, something *very* specific ::) ), crime, non-fiction and children.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on July 08, 2015, 06:34:41 PM
Before the summer period or Christmas, newspapers like to publish 'best books for X' lists.
Every single time I open it, hoping to see at least a single SFF book in those lists.
Every single time I end up disappointed.

Apparently there are only 4 genres: fiction (yes, something *very* specific ::) ), crime, non-fiction and children.
Which is particularly funny because they never do the same for films or tv...  :o
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on July 08, 2015, 07:16:44 PM
Before the summer period or Christmas, newspapers like to publish 'best books for X' lists.
Every single time I open it, hoping to see at least a single SFF book in those lists.
Every single time I end up disappointed.

Apparently there are only 4 genres: fiction (yes, something *very* specific ::) ), crime, non-fiction and children.

Sometimes fantasy slips into YA but it would be great to see a fantasy list and Sci-fi list and Horror list
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Yora on July 08, 2015, 08:31:24 PM
Which is particularly funny because they never do the same for films or tv...  :o
That's because film snobs have completely different standards than than book snobs. For film snobs doing something the normal way is terrible and being super creative and unique is all that matters. For book snobs, crrativity is the devils work! Imagination does not belong into a propper book.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on July 08, 2015, 08:32:11 PM
That's because film snobs have completely different standards than than book snobs. For film snobs doing something the normal way is terrible and being super creative and unique is all that matters. For book snobs, creativity is the devils work! Imagination does not belong into a propper book.
I *really* like this :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on July 08, 2015, 08:46:56 PM
Which is particularly funny because they never do the same for films or tv...  :o
That's because film snobs have completely different standards than than book snobs. For film snobs doing something the normal way is terrible and being super creative and unique is all that matters. For book snobs, crrativity is the devils work! Imagination does not belong into a propper book.
Lol sounds about right!  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eli_Freysson on July 09, 2015, 09:04:22 AM
That's because film snobs have completely different standards than than book snobs. For film snobs doing something the normal way is terrible and being super creative and unique is all that matters. For book snobs, creativity is the devils work! Imagination does not belong into a propper book.
I *really* like this :D

As do I. How terribly true.  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Doctor_Chill on July 11, 2015, 04:11:02 AM
"'What you trash coming round for?" one asked. Thistle had used to think of him as the cocksucker with the patchy beard, but after Thistle had dropped a stone on the boy, he had mentally switched nomenclature to that motherfucker who is lucky to just have a limp."

God I love Polansky sometimes. Why does this story have to drag?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on July 11, 2015, 09:42:55 AM
^ I wonder if we should have a quotes thread :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on July 11, 2015, 06:51:07 PM
Hey @Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840), bought book 1 of trilogy 3 :D
You know who I'm talking about... ;)

Ta da:
(http://pics.cdn.librarything.com/picsizes/3b/fe/3bfe5fe65cb26a859676a6b6b67434f414f4141.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on July 11, 2015, 06:52:49 PM
Hey @Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840), bought book 1 of trilogy 3 :D
You know who I'm talking about... ;)

Ta da:
(http://pics.cdn.librarything.com/picsizes/3b/fe/3bfe5fe65cb26a859676a6b6b67434f414f4141.jpg)
Nice! We still need to buy a physical copy... have you read it yet? I thought it was awesome, easily one of the best Fitz books.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on July 11, 2015, 06:59:20 PM
erm... I bought it today, so no, not read it yet, hehe

I was buying a moleskine, as my current one is finishing, and then to get a second loyalty card stamp I just needed a book, and there it was, calling me from the shelf :D

And I actually still have 3 books to read before that... that will teach me to be greedy 8)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on July 11, 2015, 07:21:41 PM
erm... I bought it today, so no, not read it yet, hehe

I was buying a moleskine, as my current one is finishing, and then to get a second loyalty card stamp I just needed a book, and there it was, calling me from the shelf :D

And I actually still have 3 books to read before that... that will teach me to be greedy 8)
I guessed not, but you could've got it from a library/read it as an ebook and only now bought a physical copy. ;)

Haha that's nothing, unread books physically on our shelves right now: Wheel of Time 6-14, Gentleman Bastard 2-3, Artemis Fowl x8, Hunger Games x3, Narnia x7, Roald Dahl books x15... gonna be at that for a while. Those Wheel of Time books alone are like 3 million words.  :o
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on July 11, 2015, 07:34:51 PM
See, that would bring me up in hives!!!
I need to read in order of purchase/loan, so I prefer to keep my long TBR virtual until I'm ready hehe

(and no - if I'd read it before, I wouldn't be so excited about it :D)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on July 11, 2015, 07:41:06 PM
See, that would bring me up in hives!!!
I need to read in order of purchase/loan, so I prefer to keep my long TBR virtual until I'm ready hehe

(and no - if I'd read it before, I wouldn't be so excited about it :D )
We buy online so whenever there's anything cheap we go for it, plus we just more than doubled our bookshelf space so they've been looking very empty, need to fill them up!  :P

Awesome, hope you like it as much as we both did! It has a cliffhanger ending, which sucks, but at least you won't have to wait that long to read the sequel...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on July 12, 2015, 10:09:36 AM
Hey @Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840), bought book 1 of trilogy 3 :D
You know who I'm talking about... ;)

Ta da:
(http://pics.cdn.librarything.com/picsizes/3b/fe/3bfe5fe65cb26a859676a6b6b67434f414f4141.jpg)

You need tissues. A really big box. And have other people who have read the book before easy to contact whilst reading. It is an incredibly emotional book.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on July 12, 2015, 06:01:55 PM
Wow Wolfie, that's big advice!

In other news, I pestered asked nicely several times for my library to buy Liar's Key, only to end up buying the hardcover anyway - yesterday I was there, and guess what was in the 'new books' section? ;D The others who read Prince of Fools can thank me (and Mark, for another purchase ;))
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on July 12, 2015, 08:35:23 PM
Wow Wolfie, that's big advice!

In other news, I pestered asked nicely several times for my library to buy Liar's Key, only to end up buying the hardcover anyway - yesterday I was there, and guess what was in the 'new books' section? ;D The others who read Prince of Fools can thank me (and Mark, for another purchase ;))

There will come a point with that book when you are bawling your eyes out. PM me when it happens and I ll try and respond quickly.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on July 12, 2015, 08:38:20 PM
There will come a point with that book when you are bawling your eyes out. PM me when it happens and I ll try and respond quickly.
Promise.
It'll probably be early August, since it's the last on my current pile.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on July 12, 2015, 09:19:09 PM
Oi, such an awesome book should be discussed in public, not behind closed doors!  >:( :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on July 12, 2015, 09:40:16 PM
Haha that's nothing, unread books physically on our shelves right now: Wheel of Time 6-14, Gentleman Bastard 2-3, Artemis Fowl x8, Hunger Games x3, Narnia x7, Roald Dahl books x15... gonna be at that for a while. Those Wheel of Time books alone are like 3 million words.  :o
Since I'm just packing all my books I found out that my physical TBR is 50-60 books strong. About all of them recommendations I got here...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on July 12, 2015, 10:03:09 PM
There will come a point with that book when you are bawling your eyes out. PM me when it happens and I ll try and respond quickly.
Promise.
It'll probably be early August, since it's the last on my current pile.

I'll probably be backpacking then. You might need to PM Raptori instead.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on July 12, 2015, 10:07:28 PM
If you'd like, I can wait to read it until both of you are available ;D
How long are you backpacking for?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on July 13, 2015, 07:48:27 PM
^ I wonder if we should have a quotes thread :D

The Princess Bride

"so when I tell you something, it is not guesswork; it is fact! And the fact is that the man in in black is not following us. A more logical explanation would be that he is simply an ordinary sailor who dabbles in mountain climbing as a hobby who happens to have the same general final destination as we do. That certainly satisfies me and I hope  it satisfies you"  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on July 13, 2015, 07:52:53 PM
^ I wonder if we should have a quotes thread :D

Princess Bride

"so when I tell you something, it is not guesswork; it is fact! And the fact is that the man in in black is not following us. A more logical explanation would be that he is simply an ordinary sailor who dabbles in mountain climbing as a hobby who happens to have the same general final destination as we do. That certainly satisfies me and I hope  it satisfies you"  ;D ;D ;D
God, it's just the best.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on July 14, 2015, 12:43:04 AM
I think we did have a sort of quotes thread once, but it was for opening lines. Having said that I've got one, and this is from The Lies of Locke Lamora: At the height of the long wet summer of the Seventy-seventh year of Sendovani, the Thiefmaker of Camorr paid a sudden and unannounced visit to the Eyeless Priest at the Temple of Perelandro, desperately hoping to sell him the Lamora boy.'
Now that is an opening line that immediately poses a bunch of questions, draws the reader in and has them wanting more. At least it did for me. I don't know if that was always the opening line before the manuscript went through revisions and edits, but if it was it's really no surprise that Simon Spanton of Gollancz saw it on the 'net, contacted the author and asked for more than the 30 or so pages that he'd seen and then signed him.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Rostum on July 14, 2015, 07:29:19 PM
Quote
I think we did have a sort of quotes thread once, but it was for opening lines. Having said that I've got one, and this is from The Lies of Locke Lamora: At the height of the long wet summer of the Seventy-seventh year of Sendovani, the Thiefmaker of Camorr paid a sudden and unannounced visit to the Eyeless Priest at the Temple of Perelandro, desperately hoping to sell him the Lamora boy.'

This should be a game but I suspect google has ended that.

My favorite first line of any book would be 'It was the day my grandmother exploded'

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on August 02, 2015, 03:00:45 PM
I bought 4 books today :D
Books 2 and 3 of the Tawny Man trilogy, as I'd bought 1 a few weeks ago.

And just look at the new covers, they're so good:

(http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1410757819l/18949637.jpg)

And then as I was leaving the shop I noticed that Half a King and Half the world were on the 'buy 1, second half price', and bam, there you go.
3 stamps on my loyalty card.
Using a £10 voucher given by my energy suplier.

This is where I spend my money (better than clothes ;) )
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: m3mnoch on August 02, 2015, 05:44:00 PM
And just look at the new covers, they're so good:

(http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1410757819l/18949637.jpg)

wow.  no kidding.  those are amazing!

i predict much copying of that style.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on August 02, 2015, 07:16:12 PM
Yep, my Farseer trilogy has the same style, but not the Liveship Traders (which are still miles better than the american covers, sorry).
Harper Collins has been reissuing all the old editions with these new covers since 2013/14, maybe just as the new trilogy was starting to be published.
There had to be an advantage to me arriving *very* late for the Robin Hobb train, hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on August 02, 2015, 07:29:20 PM
Yep, my Farseer trilogy has the same style, but not the Liveship Traders (which are still miles better than the american covers, sorry).
Harper Collins has been reissuing all the old editions with these new covers since 2013/14, maybe just as the new trilogy was starting to be published.
There had to be an advantage to me arriving *very* late for the Robin Hobb train, hehe
Which ones are which?  :P

I hate these:

(https://d.gr-assets.com/books/1317558802l/12774733.jpg)

and think these three sets are good to okay:

(https://d.gr-assets.com/books/1320339497l/45107.jpg)(https://d.gr-assets.com/books/1391297776l/77197.jpg)(https://d.gr-assets.com/books/1410407105l/23200621.jpg)

We have a mix of the hideous ones and the first of the second trio. At least they're all the same size though, except for the first two Rain Wilds, which are hardcover versions of the hideous ones.  ::)

The new ones that you've got are marginally better than the best of those three sets, but I'm really picky in general...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on August 02, 2015, 07:35:31 PM
'good to okay'?? 'good to okay'??!! Really? :o
I hate those! Sorry...

I found an image with the 6:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BphuLsECcAAY6ra.png)

And my Liveship ones are in the style you say you hate:
(http://www.ksharonk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Untitled-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on August 02, 2015, 09:14:42 PM
'good to okay'?? 'good to okay'??!! Really? :o
I hate those! Sorry...

I found an image with the 6:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BphuLsECcAAY6ra.png)

And my Liveship ones are in the style you say you hate:
(http://www.ksharonk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Untitled-1.jpg)
Yeah as a group those six are pretty nice, but I'm still not convinced by the little illustrations. I'm being picky though, would have no reservations buying them.  :)

Those liveships ones you posted aren't that bad, but some of the others are horrible. The buck on the one I posted is awful...

On the old ones, it depends on which one but some of them aren't bad. Liveships in particular is fairly decent:

(http://www.john-howe.com/portfolio/gallery/data/media/31/coverSHIPOFMAGIC-paperback.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3d/36/b2/3d36b23c8fccfd696fdea30a1471c671.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bf/31/4f/bf314f30cf57c7b538b47459994c787c.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on August 03, 2015, 01:29:48 PM
We just bought these, which have nice covers too - though the main reason they're nice is that they're so tactile. (http://boincstats.com/image/emoticon/happy.gif)

(http://www.joeabercrombie.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/uk-orig-the-blade-itself.jpg)(http://www.joeabercrombie.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/uk-orig-before-they-are-hanged.jpg)(http://www.joeabercrombie.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/uk-orig-last-argument-of-kings.jpg)

Neither of us have read any Abercrombie before, and we only have the vaguest ideas of what to expect, so that should be fun! The number of physical books we have that I haven't read is getting ridiculous. Must buy more.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lejays17 on August 03, 2015, 02:03:24 PM
We just bought these, which have nice covers too - though the main reason they're nice is that they're so tactile. (http://boincstats.com/image/emoticon/happy.gif)

(http://www.joeabercrombie.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/uk-orig-the-blade-itself.jpg)(http://www.joeabercrombie.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/uk-orig-before-they-are-hanged.jpg)(http://www.joeabercrombie.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/uk-orig-last-argument-of-kings.jpg)

Neither of us have read any Abercrombie before, and we only have the vaguest ideas of what to expect, so that should be fun! The number of physical books we have that I haven't read is getting ridiculous. Must buy more.

Those are lovely covers to touch, they're the ones we have.  :)

In regards to unread physical books, between @Elfy (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1153) and myself, there's probably about a hundred in the main library (these include ones that either of us have read, but the other hasn't).  And we bought another 3 books on Friday - it's a sickness  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on August 03, 2015, 02:12:03 PM
We just bought these, which have nice covers too - though the main reason they're nice is that they're so tactile. (http://boincstats.com/image/emoticon/happy.gif)

(http://www.joeabercrombie.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/uk-orig-the-blade-itself.jpg)(http://www.joeabercrombie.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/uk-orig-before-they-are-hanged.jpg)(http://www.joeabercrombie.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/uk-orig-last-argument-of-kings.jpg)

Neither of us have read any Abercrombie before, and we only have the vaguest ideas of what to expect, so that should be fun! The number of physical books we have that I haven't read is getting ridiculous. Must buy more.

Those are lovely covers to touch, they're the ones we have.  :)

In regards to unread physical books, between @Elfy (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1153) and myself, there's probably about a hundred in the main library (these include ones that either of us have read, but the other hasn't).  And we bought another 3 books on Friday - it's a sickness  ;D
Haha that's a huge amount, I think we're at about a quarter of that at the moment.

We have a ton of empty space on our shelves now that we've bought new ones, after years of having only one bookshelf and having to be really picky about what we buy due to lack of space. At least we have an excuse to buy more now!  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on August 03, 2015, 04:24:47 PM
We have a ton of empty space on our shelves now that we've bought new ones, after years of having only one bookshelf and having to be really picky about what we buy due to lack of space. At least we have an excuse to buy more now!  :P

I bought two new bookshelves for my new office area.  One of them is already filled up with my non-fantasy fiction books, some non-fiction books, and some of my wife's books.  One I am reserving for all fantasy (still waiting on getting a replacement piece for the part that broke in the initial transit) and I think I'll have it over half full with the stuff I know I want to buy.  I've been working on getting hardcovers of Malazan and then I have the last few WoT books in hardcover so I might work on that whole collection as well.  Just with those that's 2 of the 5 shelves pretty much gone already not counting what I already have.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on August 03, 2015, 11:07:41 PM
Speaking of covers, this arrived today:


(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/502/20080790010_e33f543c4b_z.jpg)

That is one bad cover, if I had never heard of the book no way I would have picked it up.   The book is also smaller in size than I expected, hopefully it matches everything else I'm ordering.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on August 04, 2015, 08:13:27 AM
Oh.my.gawd :o
 ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on August 04, 2015, 10:02:52 AM
Speaking of covers, this arrived today:


(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/502/20080790010_e33f543c4b_z.jpg)

That is one bad cover, if I had never heard of the book no way I would have picked it up.   The book is also smaller in size than I expected, hopefully it matches everything else I'm ordering.
He's also got one of those back scabbards which are meant to be impossible to use well.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on August 04, 2015, 01:20:10 PM
Speaking of covers, this arrived today:


(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/502/20080790010_e33f543c4b_z.jpg)

That is one bad cover, if I had never heard of the book no way I would have picked it up.   The book is also smaller in size than I expected, hopefully it matches everything else I'm ordering.
He's also got one of those back scabbards which are meant to be impossible to use well.

For the life of me I can't even figure out who the people on the cover are even supposed to be. 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on August 04, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
The wheel of time covers in our local library have similar covers. Weird people galore and
a medieval cliche fantasy world instead of post-apocalyptic
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on August 04, 2015, 03:38:32 PM
The wheel of time covers in our local library have similar covers. Weird people galore and
a medieval cliche fantasy world instead of post-apocalyptic
I present you the worst cover of the German wheel of time books.

It's from this special category of covers known as 'nothing to do with the book but supposed to hook potential readers'. Which almost never work (and is thus luckily a dying out category).

(http://www.dassein.de/mediawiki/images/e/ed/Das_Horn_von_Valere.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Henry Dale on August 04, 2015, 03:44:03 PM
The wheel of time covers in our local library have similar covers. Weird people galore and
a medieval cliche fantasy world instead of post-apocalyptic
I present you the worst cover of the German wheel of time books.

It's from this special category of covers known as 'nothing to do with the book but supposed to hook potential readers'. Which almost never work (and is thus luckily a dying out category).

(http://www.dassein.de/mediawiki/images/e/ed/Das_Horn_von_Valere.jpg)

What do you mean? I totally remember knights assaulting a nude woman in that book.  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on August 04, 2015, 04:00:46 PM
The wheel of time covers in our local library have similar covers. Weird people galore and
a medieval cliche fantasy world instead of post-apocalyptic
I present you the worst cover of the German wheel of time books.

It's from this special category of covers known as 'nothing to do with the book but supposed to hook potential readers'. Which almost never work (and is thus luckily a dying out category).

(http://www.dassein.de/mediawiki/images/e/ed/Das_Horn_von_Valere.jpg)

To paraphrase Bea: wtf?  :o
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on August 04, 2015, 04:20:39 PM
Are those supposed to be jet contrails above the dark knights?
The shadows on the grass don't make a lot of sense, really.
And what exactly is the silvery penumbra with three legs?

Beyond those questions, I'm not sure what you all are complaining about.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Rostum on August 04, 2015, 06:02:31 PM
Quote
He's also got one of those back scabbards which are meant to be impossible to use well.

You can see by the stretch of his arm how they are impossible to work like that unless you have a 2 metre arm.
Why would you wear full plate harness and forgo a helmet?
The lady needs to see her armourer and get the rest of her harness or at least see if they do an off the shoulder number for eveningwear.

The wheel of time cover wouldn't have been authorised for the UK or USA because boobs, or more specifically nipples. If it could of been she would have been much, much bigger.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on August 04, 2015, 06:08:28 PM
You have the see the face of the guy up close too, it almost looks like someone cut out a face from magazine and put it on there.  I'm now really excited to get the rest of my books in from the series and see what other surprises are waiting once I get to look at the covers up close.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on August 04, 2015, 06:13:37 PM
You have the see the face of the guy up close too, it almost looks like someone cut out a face from magazine and put it on there.  I'm now really excited to get the rest of my books in from the series and see what other surprises are waiting once I get to look at the covers up close.

They're all pretty much the same, though Deadhouse Gates is slightly prettier.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on August 04, 2015, 06:16:02 PM
You have the see the face of the guy up close too, it almost looks like someone cut out a face from magazine and put it on there.  I'm now really excited to get the rest of my books in from the series and see what other surprises are waiting once I get to look at the covers up close.

They're all pretty much the same, though Deadhouse Gates is slightly prettier.

Are they all a little smaller than a normal hardback in size?  I'm now terrified that this one will not match any of the other used ones I'm ordering.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Rostum on August 04, 2015, 08:15:49 PM
Quote
You have the see the face of the guy up close too, it almost looks like someone cut out a face from magazine and put it on there. 

Yes it does and it is too small for the armour. I was really trying not to look that closely. Does it read better than it looks?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on August 04, 2015, 08:23:08 PM
Quote
You have the see the face of the guy up close too, it almost looks like someone cut out a face from magazine and put it on there. 

Yes it does and it is too small for the armour. I was really trying not to look that closely. Does it read better than it looks?

Much better.  The cover doesn't convey any information about the story at all, its pretty much generic fantasy cover 101.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on August 04, 2015, 08:27:15 PM
You have the see the face of the guy up close too, it almost looks like someone cut out a face from magazine and put it on there.  I'm now really excited to get the rest of my books in from the series and see what other surprises are waiting once I get to look at the covers up close.

They're all pretty much the same, though Deadhouse Gates is slightly prettier.

Are they all a little smaller than a normal hardback in size?  I'm now terrified that this one will not match any of the other used ones I'm ordering.

All of mine (except the last 2, which were a different printing) are all that height and width (though the girth from front cover to back cover varies to the point that some of them look a bit ridiculous.)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on August 05, 2015, 01:09:23 AM
Whoever did the German WoT covers obviously thought that they were very pulpy S&S stories published decades earlier.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on August 08, 2015, 05:28:15 AM
Didn't notice this thread got stickied, went through like 5 pages looking for it.

The replacement piece for the broken piece of my new bookshelf came in so I spent the evening putting that together.   After I had put my books on it I stood back and figured out what I know that I want to buy (been holding back on buying physical books for awhile as I was out of space at the old house and didn't want to move more than I had to).  I came to a really quick realization that I'm going to need another bookshelf before the end if the year and how am I going to explain that to the wife.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on August 08, 2015, 05:38:08 AM
hehe I feel your pain!

Not so long ago I bought a new bookshelf, I wanted to stop having to double-stack my fantasy books, I like to have them all visible. So I moved half my non-fantasy ones to the new bookshelf in the office room (no room at all in the living room), leaving the main shelves in my living room. After havings bought 6 new fat books recently, I will now need to move still more books to the other shelf, to avoid going back to having many double stacked.
I want a library room with all books on show :'(
(I want my large portuguese flat in england, actually hehe)

By the way, am I the only one who, when visiting a Stately Home, spends ages in their library just looking at the book titles and thinking what kind of people that family was?
I visited one early this year where the current family still lived in part of the house. In the part that you could visit they had changed one of the smaller rooms to include things that they like *now*, so there was some modern art, furniture and a large bookshelf with many books (many were fantasy) and DVDs (including GoT). I was impressed ;D
(I think it was Harewood House)

(And yay for having it as sticky thread!)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Justan Henner on August 08, 2015, 06:26:07 PM
By the way, am I the only one who, when visiting a Stately Home, spends ages in their library just looking at the book titles and thinking what kind of people that family was?
I visited once early this year where the current family still lived in part of the house. In the part that you could visit they had changed one of the smaller rooms to include things that they like *now*, so there was some modern art, furniture and a large bookshelf with many books (many were fantasy) and DVDs (including GoT). I was impressed ;D
(I think it was Harewood House)

(And yay for having it as sticky thread!)

This...

I'm sorry, I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. It's like it's a museum... but they still live there?

So what you're saying is that modern day brits treat their nobility like zoo animals?  I knew the Crawley's were desperate for money, but I didn't think it would end like this.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on August 08, 2015, 06:47:21 PM
By the way, am I the only one who, when visiting a Stately Home, spends ages in their library just looking at the book titles and thinking what kind of people that family was?
I visited once early this year where the current family still lived in part of the house. In the part that you could visit they had changed one of the smaller rooms to include things that they like *now*, so there was some modern art, furniture and a large bookshelf with many books (many were fantasy) and DVDs (including GoT). I was impressed ;D
(I think it was Harewood House)

This...

I'm sorry, I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. It's like it's a museum... but they still live there?

So what you're saying is that modern day brits treat their nobility like zoo animals?  I knew the Crawley's were desperate for money, but I didn't think it would end like this.

LOL I guess this is a typical british thing.
We don't call Stately Homes museums, but I guess they sort of are... we walk around looking at the old rooms and furniture and art (places from the 15th to the 19th centuries), imagining how they lived. And that's why the libraries are so interesting: imagine really old books, history, nature, travel tomes, sometimes in french or german. You can get a good idea of them and what was considered 'educated' in those times :)

And no, not a zoo ;D We're not allowed to see the rooms where people still live, and they don't mix with the visitors. They're completely separate areas - that's why I thought interesting that in the example above they had created a 'modern room' in the visiting part.
Sometimes they have no choice, the people who inherit these houses: the taxes are so high that they have to open part to the public to earn some money to pay them, and maintain the houses properly. But mostly they belong to one of the 2 national institutions related to old buildings: the National Trust or English Heritage.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Doctor_Chill on August 22, 2015, 11:12:10 PM
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on August 23, 2015, 11:07:28 AM
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on August 23, 2015, 11:10:36 AM
Quote
Don't be silly. Nothing is more important than a book.
;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on August 24, 2015, 02:40:04 AM
Now we really need a collection of good excuses not to lend , even to good friends.

Because you know they will keep them for a year or two.

Because you aren't certain they will take care of the book and you just can't bear to let your most precious book-children leave home in case they come to harm.

Or someone has once said "I loved that book, hope you don't mind but I lent it on to So and So as I knew she'd like it."  Grrrrr KILL KILL

My useful sneaky lie is "So sorry, that belongs to my son and I couldn't lend it to anyone."  Which isn't at all true as he'd give anything to anyone. ;) 

I have never been brave enough to tell the truth and say "Sorry but I don't like lending my books."
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lejays17 on August 25, 2015, 01:47:43 PM
Or someone has once said "I loved that book, hope you don't mind but I lent it on to So and So as I knew she'd like it."  Grrrrr KILL KILL

And this is the major reason I don't lend books (specially my "good" books) any more.  If you had asked me, I probably would have said okay, but it's not your property to hand around willy-nilly.  (I had to get the book replaced, and I never lent anything to that person again  >:()
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on August 25, 2015, 06:11:07 PM
I've just bought 3 books *dances*
Funny thing is, I've already read 2 of them ;D

I bought the paperback of The Broken Eye (Lightbringer 3) and The copper promise, which I'd read in hardback from the library, but I just had to have them to re-read later.
And then I bought Iron Ghost too: yay Jen, you got 2 sales today :D

And guess who has an extract of her new book, Swords and Scoundrels, as an extra on the Lightbringer book?
Yes, our very own Francis (Julia) Knight :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Yora on September 04, 2015, 10:54:09 AM
What do you think of a threat where each of us who has a website can post links to book reviews we did?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on September 06, 2015, 12:40:39 AM
What do you think of a threat where each of us who has a website can post links to book reviews we did?

Scary. What happens if we don't read the reviews?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ClintACK on September 07, 2015, 08:03:47 PM
No physical books for me anymore.  After my last move, I took boxes and boxes of books to the local used book store where I hope they've found good homes.  It's all electronic now.

I love my Kindle.

(And, of course, I lie.  There were so many books I just couldn't part with that I still have whole walls covered in books. But at least I no longer have boxes of old books stacked up in closets.)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on September 12, 2015, 05:12:36 AM
Had to share this with all writers concerning perils of translation for overseas markets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrlvVhL35Ws
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on September 14, 2015, 07:13:02 PM
^ so funny ;D

And there, you've done it.
I went into town today, and just had to go into the library and bring Ketty Jay 1, didn't I? Now I'll have to read it first, before my Half a World/Half a King I've bough ::) :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on September 14, 2015, 10:31:59 PM
^ so funny ;D

And there, you've done it.
I went into town today, and just had to go into the library and bring Ketty Jay 1, didn't I? Now I'll have to read it first, before my Half a World/Half a King I've bough ::) :D
They're addictive, Bea. Before you know it, you'll have all 4 of them lined up to read.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on September 14, 2015, 10:38:46 PM
Yeah Elfy is right, if you get into the first one you won't be able to stop. Especially since we're here to tell you that the sequels are even better!  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on September 19, 2015, 01:11:33 PM
I noticed a discussion on magic systems going on, these seem to be essentials. Maybe additional awards for winning the Monthly Contest?

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on September 20, 2015, 12:10:53 PM
I am so looking forward to this book :D :D
An apprentice to Elves, Elizabeth Bear and Sarah Monette, on sale Oct 13

Sneak peak:
http://torforgeblog.com/2015/09/16/sneak-peek-an-apprentice-to-elves-by-elizabeth-bear-and-sarah-monette/ (http://torforgeblog.com/2015/09/16/sneak-peek-an-apprentice-to-elves-by-elizabeth-bear-and-sarah-monette/)
(although I'm afraid it won't make much sense to those who haven't read the other 2 before - or at least they won't capture all the nuances)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Yora on September 20, 2015, 12:26:27 PM
I think I have to look into this series. All the descriptions and reviews I found make it sound very weird.
But in a good way.  :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on September 20, 2015, 12:50:50 PM
very weird. But in a good way.
Exactly this!
And I think it also fits into your 'different settings' question (I can't remember if I'd mentioned them...)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on September 21, 2015, 08:19:48 PM
Sorry about the double post, but this is super!
(click the image to read properly)

(http://marwaelnaggar.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/rights-of-the-reader.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on September 21, 2015, 08:43:19 PM
I especially like the warning.  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Yora on September 25, 2015, 03:05:08 PM
Now that I got through the first quarter of Tome of the Undergates, it's actually starting to get interesting. We finally got the plot hook.
I see why it seems necessary to have considerable buildup before the supernatural element gets introduced. But a full quarter of the whole book is really way too much.
Even though I still don't like it, I am already quite excited about writing a review. Should be fun with so many things to talk about.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on September 27, 2015, 08:16:14 PM
It seems to be a new 'thing', hiding that a fantasy book is actually set in a 'post-apocalyptic' version of ours, and giving hints through different items from 'the older races'.

Well, I say 'a thing' but it's just the fact that Mark Lawrence did that with Broken Empire. Fine, it was new, it really fit the story so that was good.
But now Abercrombie too with Shattered Seas? There was really no need, it just annoys me (and I hope it doesn't get developed later - I'm currently halfway through book 2).
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Doctor_Chill on September 27, 2015, 08:25:21 PM
I actually prefer the post-apoc hints over your standard secondary world Fantasy tripe. But what I love about Joe's new series is that he never explicitly says that it's post-apoc, and I think that's the fine line this new wave of authors has to tread.

No, what I hope dies off is the post-apoc story that comes right after the post-apoc event. (Which is nearly every major YA SFF that comes out these days.) That's no fun. I'd rather look at the longer implications of the event rather than your stock totalitarian state that seems to spring from every single one of them.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on September 27, 2015, 08:33:02 PM
what I hope dies off is the post-apoc story that comes right after the post-apoc event. (Which is nearly every major YA SFF that comes out these days.) That's no fun.
Oh, definitely!
I don't touch those with a bargepole (sorry, writers!), but I happily read the others :)
It just bugged me when I noticed :-\
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Yora on September 27, 2015, 09:10:15 PM
It seems to be a new 'thing', hiding that a fantasy book is actually set in a 'post-apocalyptic' version of ours, and giving hints through different items from 'the older races'.
This is not a new thing. It's actually a pretty old thing (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EarthAllAlong). And I absolute hate it. To me it's almost as bad is "It was just a dream". It retroactively ruins the entire story for me and makes it impossible for me to enjoy it. If I know that this is the case, I refuse to look at the story entirely.

When you start a story you are making a promise to the audience. Breaking that promise is absolutely unacceptable. Actively decieving the audience is unforgivable.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on September 27, 2015, 10:07:31 PM
It seems to be a new 'thing', hiding that a fantasy book is actually set in a 'post-apocalyptic' version of ours, and giving hints through different items from 'the older races'.
This is not a new thing. It's actually a pretty old thing (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EarthAllAlong). And I absolute hate it. To me it's almost as bad is "It was just a dream". It retroactively ruins the entire story for me and makes it impossible for me to enjoy it. If I know that this is the case, I refuse to look at the story entirely.

When you start a story you are making a promise to the audience. Breaking that promise is absolutely unacceptable. Actively decieving the audience is unforgivable.
In a way, what I'm referring to and the examples I mentioned are slightly different from that trope. The 'earth all along' here isn't used as a solution or an explanation, but rather just the background/world setting.
So while I agree that what you describe *is* a cop-out, I may actually mean something different.

Oh dear, I'm not making much sense, am I? ::)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on September 27, 2015, 10:22:50 PM
It seems to be a new 'thing', hiding that a fantasy book is actually set in a 'post-apocalyptic' version of ours, and giving hints through different items from 'the older races'.

Well, I say 'a thing' but it's just the fact that Mark Lawrence did that with Broken Empire. Fine, it was new, it really fit the story so that was good.
But now Abercrombie too with Shattered Seas? There was really no need, it just annoys me (and I hope it doesn't get developed later - I'm currently halfway through book 2).
The first fantasy book I remember doing that was Sword of Shannara by Brooks. There's also been hints that the world in Wheel of Time is ours many years after some apocalyptic event. I think John Christopher did it in one of his series and Obernewtyn is also set in that kind of world, in fact Broken Empire reminded me very much of the setting for Obernewtyn. I like the way both Steven Boyett in Ariel and Elegy Beach and SM Stirling in his Change books have the apocalypse be something we don't expect. In Boyett's books it's technology being replaced by magic and with Stirling all advanced technology simply stops working.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on September 28, 2015, 08:15:27 AM
Soon after the bit that made me write my first post on this, I came to a scene that seemed copied out of Indiana Jones (the Raiders one). Ok, not, copied, but inspired by, based on,...
There it made me laugh, because the audience knew the setting - here in the book it just made me groan ::)

But to be fair to Joe - the audience of these books are people whose parents were young when that movie was first released, so..
I think I'll stick with non-YA in the future :-\
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on September 30, 2015, 06:46:58 PM
21 great signs from bookshops (http://www.buzzfeed.com/katieheaney/21-bookstore-signs-that-capture-the-joy-of-reading#.fs28vYZB8)

 :D

I love number 8 ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Doctor_Chill on September 30, 2015, 06:55:56 PM
21 great signs from bookshops (http://www.buzzfeed.com/katieheaney/21-bookstore-signs-that-capture-the-joy-of-reading#.fs28vYZB8)

 :D

I love number 8 ;D

Smells like click bait. :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on September 30, 2015, 06:57:21 PM
The first one needs apostrophes, and is partially incorrect. Raptoris and Sauruses are not extinct, and we do read. I think that proves it's not a coincidence.

8 is definitely the best! 16 is awesome too.  8)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: m3mnoch on September 30, 2015, 07:03:18 PM
21 great signs from bookshops (http://www.buzzfeed.com/katieheaney/21-bookstore-signs-that-capture-the-joy-of-reading#.fs28vYZB8)

 :D

I love number 8 ;D

Smells like click bait. :D

you won't believe what happens next!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on October 03, 2015, 02:57:01 AM
Those were all great, thanks ScarletBea, those poor, bored, trapped books. No 20 is just me. ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on October 06, 2015, 12:34:07 AM
Oh, check out how freaking beautiful and shiny Zen Cho's novel is! It's on my TBR pile.

(http://i.imgur.com/rGjCFQe.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/SaJjL0s.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on October 06, 2015, 03:41:10 AM
I've never heard of the book or the author but I have a sudden desire to have that sitting on my bookshelf.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on October 06, 2015, 05:53:20 AM
That's an awesome cover, Nora. The only concern I've have is if the gold stuff flakes off as you're reading.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on October 06, 2015, 07:51:02 AM
Looked pretty solid to me. It's true that it's embossed though, my main concern would be scratches.
But then again I love roughed out books.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ClintACK on October 06, 2015, 03:08:21 PM
Nice.

My ongoing e-book consolidation has left me with increasingly pretty books on my shelves as the non-pretty ones that I'll never read again get hauled off to the local used book seller by the box-load.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: m3mnoch on October 06, 2015, 04:06:36 PM
Nice.

My ongoing e-book consolidation has left me with increasingly pretty books on my shelves as the non-pretty ones that I'll never read again get hauled off to the local used book seller by the box-load.

i approve of this strategy!  it's the same general tack i'm starting to take.  i dream of someday having shelves filled with beautiful hardcovers.  *le sigh*
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: MeganOKeefe on October 07, 2015, 08:54:27 PM
I've been drifting toward replacing my worn versions of books with either e-books or nicer versions, signed if I can track down the author at a con or somesuch. As pretty as it looks, some of those old, ratty mass markets have sentimental value, though... Hard to let them go.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Mr.J on October 07, 2015, 10:51:42 PM
I look forward to seeing how many times I re-buy Lord of the Rings, so many editions, such pretty covers. And they'll keep bringing out more and more. I don't need all of them...but I do.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on October 10, 2015, 10:29:51 AM
I've never heard of the book or the author but I have a sudden desire to have that sitting on my bookshelf.
Funny how suddenly she's being interviewed on the main site!


Look what I found ;D

(http://www.theliterarygiftcompany.com/ekmps/shops/danihall/images/go-away-i-m-reading-bone-china-mug-1185-p%5Bekm%5D249x249%5Bekm%5D.jpg)  (http://www.theliterarygiftcompany.com/ekmps/shops/danihall/images/bookish-...-and-proud-of-it-mug-15830-p%5Bekm%5D249x249%5Bekm%5D.jpg)   (http://www.theliterarygiftcompany.com/ekmps/shops/danihall/images/personalised-bookaholic-mug-red-orange-9518-p%5Bekm%5D249x249%5Bekm%5D.jpg) (changeable name)

And for the writers:

(http://www.theliterarygiftcompany.com/ekmps/shops/danihall/images/go-away-i-m-writing-bone-china-mug-1589-p%5Bekm%5D249x249%5Bekm%5D.jpg)   (http://www.theliterarygiftcompany.com/ekmps/shops/danihall/images/go-away-i-m-editing-bone-china-mug-2362-p%5Bekm%5D249x249%5Bekm%5D.jpg)

This, and a LOT more, at http://www.theliterarygiftcompany.com (http://www.theliterarygiftcompany.com)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Arry on October 10, 2015, 03:10:49 PM
Oh, check out how freaking beautiful and shiny Zen Cho's novel is! It's on my TBR pile.

Enjoy! I love the UK cover for that one. It was a very good read, I would expect to see it on some of the Best of lists for Debuts this year.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Rostum on October 10, 2015, 05:23:57 PM
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Enjoy! I love the UK cover for that one. It was a very good read, I would expect to see it on some of the Best of lists for Debuts this year.

Was thinking about getting it from what I have heard already will do now.

Probably needs its own thread but do you peeps not remove dust covers before you read hard backs and put them back when you are done?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on October 11, 2015, 12:29:06 AM
Oh, check out how freaking beautiful and shiny Zen Cho's novel is! It's on my TBR pile.

Enjoy! I love the UK cover for that one. It was a very good read, I would expect to see it on some of the Best of lists for Debuts this year.

So, I'm in the middle of it now and enjoying the read but not as much as I wish I could.
The problem is that I read a LOT of books from the regency era. All of Jane Austen, Elizabeth Gaskell, the Bronte sisters, ect.

So I'm quite used to the style of the times, but more importantly, to what would be proper behaviour, or improper, or even so crazy and out of place for a young lady, that it would never even be considered.

And so while Zen Cho obviouslt did some research, and makes lively characters come to life, I wish she was writing in a more modern time setting, because her female character behaves like nothing any lady would dare at the time. The characters also spend a lot of time thinking about what is proper and what is not, yet won't follow their own advice. The social setting is also very modern, with people in social crowds behaving with awkwardness and the bluntness we allow nowadays but hardly fits the period.

Of course I'm not done with it and it is a pleasant read, but it overall makes the characters a tiny bit cartoonish and makes me seriously consider this book as YA.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Mr.J on October 11, 2015, 12:51:49 PM
@Nora (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40237) Could you elaborate on why you think it's YA? Do you say that because of the weak characters/dialogue you describe?

Not accusing just interested! :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on October 11, 2015, 01:31:24 PM
@Nora (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40237) Could you elaborate on why you think it's YA? Do you say that because of the weak characters/dialogue you describe?

Not accusing just interested! :)

Of course I don't mind elaborating.

But first let me point at other flaws that are truly starting to make me want to put the book down now :
As the adventure go, the impropriety develops more and more, way beyond anything period correct.
People who bitch about potatoes in the wrong century just couldn't take that book in their stride.

Now the heroine just went and suddenly, out of nowhere, has decided on her own that she really likes the male protagonist. They had a couple of dialogues, she's always abusing his niceness or lying to him and trying to bypass him, and suddenly decides she likes him.
Then followed a dialogue that made extremely little sense, to justify her avoiding to do something that was entirely in her best interest, before going a long convoluted way to an arrangement. The dialogue hence comes across as even more artificial, because it's already improbable in this time setting.

That's ultimately what makes it YA to me : if you write for adults who enjoy regency set novels, you might as well expect them to have actually read regency novels, and hence you can't just make the girls dress in muslin gowns, the discussions hint on awkwardness whenever a sexual/romantic topic is brought up, and have men use words like "coxcomb", or have them worried of being "improper". It might be adequate but it can't just be the decorative topping on top of the cake.
Turns out the characters behave totally erratically, in very modern fashion, worry one minute about propriety, and are totally improper the next minute. Status of women is dwelt upon but the woman isn't behaving along the lines of a regency character - even a bold one.
Using the glamour of a period without bothering to actually be correct is one common flaw found in YA.

But yeah, the characters are starting to feel thin and their reactions a bit shallow and predictable, very orchestrated to fit a plot, and less possessing their own life, which can also be a characteristic of loosely written YA.
Of course I see it as YA and not just bad writing mainly because it comes second to the pastich regency-era, so it kinds of "accumulate".

Honnestly, right now I'm sort of bored and exasperated with the book, and I might pick up something else if it doesn't quickly improve.





Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Mr.J on October 11, 2015, 03:16:23 PM
Thank you for the mini review :) a shame really I was looking forward to picking that up, I still might of course, just perhaps not as quickly as the others in my backlog of paper to wade through.

Also I've read so many adult novels with the elements you're describing. :P some even got nominated for prizes/won awards...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on October 11, 2015, 11:18:29 PM
Thank you for the mini review :) a shame really I was looking forward to picking that up, I still might of course, just perhaps not as quickly as the others in my backlog of paper to wade through.

Also I've read so many adult novels with the elements you're describing. :P some even got nominated for prizes/won awards...

Oh, for sure! That's why my critic isn't really valid... I say YA only because if one is ready to discard the lack of maturity and the wrong time setting, it certainly can be a good book.

But I've also picked up books and wondered how they got their awards...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on October 14, 2015, 07:46:38 PM
I feel I've been subconsciously influenced by ASoIaF.
Trying to decide my route today, I saw a place called Craster and had to stop there.

(I'm right, right? It's from there?)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on October 14, 2015, 09:18:08 PM
I feel I've been subconsciously influenced by ASoIaF.
Trying to decide my route today, I saw a place called Craster and had to stop there.

(I'm right, right? It's from there?)
It is, Bea. Craster's the nasty old wildling that deals with the Crows. His property is referred to as Craster's Keep.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on October 14, 2015, 09:36:53 PM
Thanks, I couldn't remember properly.

It was quite small, but the views of the sea were spectacular, and I had a really nice lunch of carrot soup and local bread, hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Mr.J on October 14, 2015, 09:45:22 PM
Thanks, I couldn't remember properly.

It was quite small, but the views of the sea were spectacular, and I had a really nice lunch of carrot soup and local bread, hehe
A bit tamer than what happened at Craster's in ASoIaF then.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Elfy on October 14, 2015, 09:49:13 PM
Thanks, I couldn't remember properly.

It was quite small, but the views of the sea were spectacular, and I had a really nice lunch of carrot soup and local bread, hehe
Some years ago there was a horse down here called Ankh Morpork. I very nearly bet on it for that reason alone.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Arya Stark on October 14, 2015, 10:35:42 PM
I feel I've been subconsciously influenced by ASoIaF.
Trying to decide my route today, I saw a place called Craster and had to stop there.

(I'm right, right? It's from there?)

don't touch any of the women there if you want to keep your hands!!!!!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Alex on October 18, 2015, 03:35:23 PM
I'm laughing every time I make a post and get the capcha asking for Neil Gaiman's name. Do you have any idea how many people misspell it?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on October 18, 2015, 03:44:14 PM
Welcome Alex,I been here so long I didn't have capcha when I joined there go after a few posts make the most of them haha

See you later, happy reading
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nighteyes on October 18, 2015, 08:52:25 PM
I'm laughing every time I make a post and get the capcha asking for Neil Gaiman's name. Do you have any idea how many people misspell it?

How would you mispell it? Neal?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on October 24, 2015, 02:26:47 PM
I'll muse in here that if you haven't been down to the Interactive section and nominated books for the Favorite Fantasy Standalone Book Battle, please do so today.   
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on October 29, 2015, 01:14:28 PM
A little bit of musing came through my head today as I was mopping my kitchen - don't get excited, I'm not a tidy person, I was passive-aggressively pushed into that.  :P

Anyway, I was a few pages away from finishing The Long Way to a Small Angry Planet, I had done my weeping for it, and it left me wondering how come I've been so much more emotional about books lately?

The Long Way is great, by the by. Beyond great. The characters are simple, bending a tiniest bit toward the cartoonish sometimes, but mostly made realistic by the unassuming writing style, with its free flowing third person style, brushing with omniscient (imo). It felt fresh to read, it brushed on topics that left plenty to ponder on, and despite the fairly well trodden tropes used around the first character (reading her "file" to introduce her, making her a newbie to have the whole universe explained to us...) the world building was so beautifully crafted, when I try to describe it, this is what comes to my mind :

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Treaty_of_Paris_by_Benjamin_West_1783.jpg)

Gives you plenty of things to see, and just enough to picture what isn't said, making for a paint-by-number like frame for readers to colour in.

Besides, as a traveler of long duration, I found the aliens complaining about humans on the ship in between themselves incredibly relatable. They described the strain of a different culture precisely as I feel it myself. There IS something comforting in the company of some of my compatriots. We have the same net of cultural background, grew up around the same classics, have the same general understanding of social rules.
I never expected feeling this strained after two years abroad. I don't mind it, but it bothers me how joyful it is to meet someone who'll say "Ta gueule!!" when I say "Il va faire tout noir!"
Alienation is just a thing. It can be between countries or between species, and this book can be read, of course, as a metaphor for our own world, if one wanted to.

I especially loved the Toremi, these strange, strange aliens surrounding that famous angry planet. I loved the way they were too alien for the aliens, how their logic had its own intricate sense we could hardly puzzle out, yet didn't need to. Too often we just don't understand what motivated the other, and that's it. Life strikes without a warning and you've got to act on it and make the best out of the situation.
The entire Toremi incident was like "life throws lemons at you" and the crew was like "shit" and did some lemonade out of it. Like we should. In that respect, and with the way the whole book had of focusing on all these personal arcs, it felt like a bildungsroman, on a short period of time with multiple characters.

ANYWAY. I cried. And I realised that I also cried reading Warbreaker, The Fallen Empire, but also Ariah, just in 2015.
Then I wonder, looking back, why some books with rather strong emotional content didn't catch me the same way, and I sat there, wondering if I'm getting more sensitive and emotional with time, going through a phase, or if books have been getting better at this emotion-pulling thing? Or have I been changing the quality of my selections? Would I have cried reading this 5 years ago?

And then I decided that Sanderson pulls me in with his tremendous plotting while Chambers really pulled me by character building.

And yeah, came to no conclusions of any sorts on anything  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: xiagan on October 29, 2015, 01:19:48 PM
And now go add your thoughts here (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/%28apr-2015%29-the-long-way-to-a-small-angry-planet/). ;)

I became more sensitive/empathic over time too, Nora. Really embarrassing when your voice breaks when you read children books aloud. :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on October 30, 2015, 01:33:53 AM
Quote
Besides, as a traveler of long duration, I found the aliens complaining about humans on the ship in between themselves incredibly relatable. They described the strain of a different culture precisely as I feel it myself. There IS something comforting in the company of some of my compatriots. We have the same net of cultural background, grew up around the same classics, have the same general understanding of social rules.
I never expected feeling this strained after two years abroad. I don't mind it, but it bothers me how joyful it is to meet someone who'll say "Ta gueule!!" when I say "Il va faire tout noir!"


Exactly right, Nora I know just where you're coming from and as you can hardly even speak your own language often that makes it much harder. I do hope you get to Canada and French speaking Quebec, but even then it may not be all you perhaps expect.

Australians speak more or less the same language and are nearly all good people and I have a very happy life here.  I love and acknowledge this country now as mine, because it gave me the opportunity to build a home and life with my children, so this is not a whinge at all.

But, I yearn to talk to someone English now and again. Someone who knows just what I am referring to as Nora described, who has the understanding and background and I don't have to explain a phrase I used.  Someone else who knows what it is like to live with real greenness everywhere, hills and valleys all over the place, where old buildings are really old and all around you. When I have had a trip back to UK that makes missing it worse when I return.

I do not know one single English person here, especially of a similar age and who came here later in their lives. On rare occasions if I recognise one of the county accents on a bus or somewhere in passing I can't help trying to start a conversation and it usually turns into a 'do you remember' or 'have you been to''.

On the other hand I recognise it is really memories I miss and the UK today is nothing like the one I left in 1979.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on November 04, 2015, 12:27:19 AM
Didn't know where to post this, but it is so beautiful I wanted to share. Have no idea of the background or how contrived it was but it is crying out for a story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH5Ka4TG6tg
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on November 04, 2015, 02:13:36 AM
Didn't know where to post this, but it is so beautiful I wanted to share. Have no idea of the background or how contrived it was but it is crying out for a story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH5Ka4TG6tg

Contrived?! No! Say it ain't so!  ;)

But, really, very evocative...  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on November 04, 2015, 11:56:25 PM

Contrived?! No! Say it ain't so!  ;)

I know I'm a sucker  ;) but wanting to find a story in my head - one day it may click. :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on November 07, 2015, 02:39:47 AM
Mmmmh... I just bloody discovered what "MS format" means, and applied it to a couple of my short stories... And Damn, it makes text pretty sexy!
However, a 1500 words short stories is suddenly 8 pages of paper... Can't imagine what kind of bloody door stopper you end up with is you print a 50 000 words novel in MS format...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Mr.J on November 07, 2015, 09:23:45 PM
Mmmmh... I just bloody discovered what "MS format" means, and applied it to a couple of my short stories... And Damn, it makes text pretty sexy!
However, a 1500 words short stories is suddenly 8 pages of paper... Can't imagine what kind of bloody door stopper you end up with is you print a 50 000 words novel in MS format...
I don't think I've heard of MS Format, what's the idea behind it?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on November 07, 2015, 10:10:04 PM
MS = Manuscript. It's the look a lot of magazines/publishing houses want you to send any submission in. Helps them print and scribble on it, but also helps them dump people who didn't apply such format...
Here is what the Flash fiction month short story looks like in MS :

http://i.imgur.com/VizEfsk.png

http://i.imgur.com/zIjyKl1.png

http://i.imgur.com/VtCcuhb.png

Sexy hey? But yeah, in this case, 505 words = 3 pages! 2000 words = 11 pages...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on November 07, 2015, 10:11:18 PM
Julia/Francis Knight, your Swords and Scoundrels was already face forward at Waterstone's Leeds.

And @sennydreadful (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3297), The copper promise was on the centre table where they had a bunch of trilogy firsts.

 :D

So I didn't have to change anything today ;)


Here is what the Flash fiction month short story looks like in MS :
Hey @Nora (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40237), you might want to delete your full name from the document (no point in xxx-ing the mail if the name is above and we can guess the mail ;))
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on November 07, 2015, 10:14:42 PM
Haha! Thanks Scarlet. More likely I'll blot the whole address... I'm not very smart... but I mostly don't care since it's an adopted name anyway, no one will find anything behind that (yet).  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on November 07, 2015, 10:15:30 PM
Haha! Thanks Scarlet. More likely I'll blot the whole address... I'm not very smart... but I mostly don't care since it's an adopted name anyway, no one will find anything behind that (yet).  :P
Ah, I thought that was your real name :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Nora on November 07, 2015, 10:22:16 PM
Haha! Thanks Scarlet. More likely I'll blot the whole address... I'm not very smart... but I mostly don't care since it's an adopted name anyway, no one will find anything behind that (yet).  :P
Ah, I thought that was your real name :D

It's edited. Now if you edit your own post that also gives it away, we'll be safe, thanks! :p
Nora, short for Elenora, is the name I have adopted for the last year and a half. It's easier, english speakers can't pronounce my real name and end up forgetting it.
Besides, I like Nora a lot more than my french name, so here goes. I picked Daimio as a last name because my real last name is associated to the photographic work I do.  :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lanko on November 10, 2015, 03:20:52 AM
Eleonora is one of my main characters  :)

Yea, i know there's an "o" there  :P

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on November 21, 2015, 02:58:16 PM
@G_R_Matthews (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=31990), just bought your book 2 ;D
(book depository discount voucher hehe)
We'll have to meet again at the next Grim Gathering for you to sign this one!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: G_R_Matthews on November 21, 2015, 03:16:24 PM
A discount .... on my book! Erk :)

I hope you enjoy it, Bea!

And I am very much looking forward to the next Grim Gathering, wherever or whenever it shall be :)

I'd happily sign it for you too! (I'll even try to write neatly!)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on November 21, 2015, 03:19:03 PM
hehe the discount was for anything, but because I can't get your books in Waterstone's, I decided to get it here :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: G_R_Matthews on November 21, 2015, 03:24:52 PM
In that case, that's fine ;)

Though Waterstones and I need a discussion or two... which I might lose :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on November 21, 2015, 03:45:12 PM
What did you do to upset waterstones  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: G_R_Matthews on November 21, 2015, 04:03:00 PM
Its a more them than me thing ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on November 25, 2015, 01:35:16 AM
Just read this strange and sad medical case history and, with no disrespect meant at all, it seems to offer several fiction possibilities.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/woman-was-blind-for-17-years--then-one-her-other-personalities-started-to-see-20151124-gl7423.html

 

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 05, 2015, 08:51:28 PM
I bought the paper today, and the 'Review' section is basically made up of "Books of the Year".

Genres covered:
* Fiction (split into 'big thinkers', 'heartbreakers', 'pulse-racers', 'fireside reads', 'wild ones' and 'comic')
* Crime
* Mystery
* Historical fiction
* History
* Politics
* Nature
* Biography
* Sport
* Rock
* Art
* Photography
* Science
* Children's
* Travel
* Food

For crying out loud, aren't we forgetting one of the biggest selling genres, with dedicated large sections in bookshops?
 >:( ::) >:(
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lanko on December 05, 2015, 08:52:40 PM
I bought the paper today, and the 'Review' section is basically made up of "Books of the Year".

Genres covered:
* Fiction (split into 'big thinkers', 'heartbreakers', 'pulse-racers', 'fireside reads', 'wild ones' and 'comic')
* Crime
* Mystery
* Historical fiction
* History
* Politics
* Nature
* Biography
* Sport
* Rock
* Art
* Photography
* Science
* Children's
* Travel
* Food

For crying out loud, aren't we forgetting one of the biggest selling genres, with dedicated large sections in bookshops?
 >:( ::) >:(

Romance/Paranormal Romance?  ::)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 05, 2015, 08:57:16 PM
I don't know what kind of bookshops you have in Brazil, but in the UK there's only a handful of those for sale in real bookshops, mixed with the 'big one' ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lanko on December 05, 2015, 08:59:20 PM
I don't know what kind of bookshops you have in Brazil, but in the UK there's only a handful of those for sale in real bookshops, mixed with the 'big one' ;D

Ah, I got it now!

It's non-fiction!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on December 05, 2015, 11:13:40 PM
Fashion is missing - how ridiculous >:(
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on December 06, 2015, 03:38:21 AM
Brazil? @Lanko (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40739) are you in Brazil on something?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on December 06, 2015, 08:51:02 AM
Brazil? @Lanko (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40739) are you in Brazil on something?
With his daily writing word counts, he must be on something.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 06, 2015, 10:41:07 AM
Jmack, might have been on a post during your mad garage phase and you missed it hehe
Yes, Lanko's told us he's in Brazil.

But sort of linked with my post: I firmly believe that if you're buying a present for a book lover, you're MUCH better getting them a book voucher than an actual book.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on December 06, 2015, 11:39:22 AM
Ooh! I missed it. @Lanko (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40739), please repeat yourself. Brazil? Is this home and your first language is Portuguese? If you're there temporarily, then Why for and where for?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lanko on December 06, 2015, 05:14:40 PM
I'm using my vacation to explore the Amazon rainforest with an expedition. Native indians are guiding us. Tons of material for my future worldwide best-seller!
They actually watch TV and have cellphones. In some tribes they even drive cars, speak english and wear trous - I mean, jeans.
The problem? Insects. Forget all the clichés from movies in tropical forests. You are not gonna die by a crocodile, an arrow, poison, eaten by a panther, dehydrate to death or even swallowed whole by Anaconda. It's all the cursed insects! They are like grasshoppers that eat people. All the vaccine we had to take...
Gonna celebrate new year in Rio, though! 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 06, 2015, 05:25:46 PM
Oh wow!
Now I'm torn between
'now I know why you write so much, I guess there's not much else to do'
and
'if you're on an expedition (i.e. walking all day), how come you have so much time to write?'

 :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lanko on December 06, 2015, 05:28:10 PM
Oh wow!
Now I'm torn between
'now I know why you write so much, I guess there's not much else to do'
and
'if you're on an expedition (i.e. walking all day), how come you have so much time to write?'

 :D

We don't walk that much, there's a lot of rivers so we are mostly on canoes, waving our arms at the insect army. Then we go tribe to tribe.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 06, 2015, 05:34:59 PM
Ah!
But are you british ou és brasileiro?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lanko on December 06, 2015, 05:38:58 PM
I was just joking! And I'm brazilian  ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 06, 2015, 05:42:37 PM
I believed you :'(
We get all sorts here, so why couldn't we have someone on an expedition in the Amazon rainforest being slowly killed by insects? It's perfectly acceptable 8)

(you'll do well in our next RPG ;D)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lanko on December 06, 2015, 05:45:33 PM
I believed you :'(
We get all sorts here, so why couldn't we have someone on an expedition in the Amazon rainforest being slowly killed by insects? It's perfectly acceptable 8)

(you'll do well in our next RPG ;D)

Should have sent that by PM so we could play a bit with Jmack.

And..what? There's an RPG board around here?

EDIT: Yea, there is. With pretty big letters "RPG". I remember thousands of years ago I played text rpg with some text program, but never did it via a forum.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 06, 2015, 05:49:09 PM
 ;D yes, that could have lasted longer for Jmack ;)

And does no one look at the forums by category? hehe
There is a category called RPG, where we have our old ones. They happen about once a year, and after the last one Chilly started doing a summary of the races and locations, but then he got really busy and paused.

I could suggest you read the last one, but the level of craziness in one go might make your head explode 8)
(or you just read 'the final chapter' but then you wouldn't understand what was going on - mind you, the participants didn't either hehe... just a bit)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on December 06, 2015, 06:01:26 PM
I was totally in the canoe! I'm like: insects! wave at them, moon them! And then I'm like: is that awesome? Lanko must be in college or something that he goes and visits Amazonian tribes. Probably an exchange student from Sweden, studying anthropology.

My day. Ruined.

What is it with this Forum and oh so clever Portuguese speakers?

And, just for my information, what do Portuguese speakers call themselves?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lanko on December 06, 2015, 06:08:04 PM
It's just portuguese, although brazilian portuguese has some little differences and accents from Portugal's. It's like american english and british english.

And I was just reading your quest for the Dragon Diamond. You didn't knew how to grill a steak and your survival odds were pretty low ;D

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on December 06, 2015, 06:10:46 PM
It's just portuguese, although brazilian portuguese has some little differences and accents from Portugal's. It's like american english and british english.

And I was just reading your quest for the Dragon Diamond. You didn't knew how to grill a steak and your survival odds were pretty low ;D

I was thinking of how English speakers say "German" but Germans (sic) say "Deutsche".
And, yes. I think I have a low chance of survival in most situations that call for leaving my living room. :-[ ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 06, 2015, 06:40:00 PM
Saraband and I say we're "portugueses"
Lanko will say he's "brasileiro".
:)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on December 07, 2015, 12:34:27 AM
I'm using my vacation to explore the Amazon rainforest with an expedition. Native indians are guiding us. Tons of material for my future worldwide best-seller!
They actually watch TV and have cellphones. In some tribes they even drive cars, speak english and wear trous - I mean, jeans.
The problem? Insects. Forget all the clichés from movies in tropical forests. You are not gonna die by a crocodile, an arrow, poison, eaten by a panther, dehydrate to death or even swallowed whole by Anaconda. It's all the cursed insects! They are like grasshoppers that eat people. All the vaccine we had to take...
Gonna celebrate new year in Rio, though!

You are soooo mean, just like ScarletBea and Jmack I wanted it to be true. >:(
But definitely time you joined in the writing contests. :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 08, 2015, 06:04:28 PM
Who says that reading Fantasy is not educational?
I just got a pointless answer on Pointless with 'vambrace' ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Rostum on December 08, 2015, 10:12:59 PM
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It's like american english and british english.

I say, You there that @Lanko (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40739) Chappie. There is no such thing as American English despite what Microsoft think and British English is not a language either. There is the Queens English and there are those who try to hide their inability to spell behind naming it something else. If you tolerate this no-one knows where it will end. Top buttons undone, cravats worn loose and ice in drinks for a start at a guess. These backsliders will claim there is no harm in it, but I tell you sir it will lead to poor diction, revolution and absolute anarchy!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Lady Ty on December 08, 2015, 11:12:35 PM
So many glorious versions of the English language. ;)

I believe the accent and usage in Massaachusetts still has sounds of East Anglian dialect because the Pilgrim fathers settled that region and it is much purer version of the old English than spoken can be found in UK now.

Just for fun and definite time wasters

The audio link at the bottom of this article will give you the story of Three Little Pigs in PNG Pidgin

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2007/09/18/2036578.htm

And specially for our US friends here  is a written version of Moses parting the Red Sea in Geordie. There was a very old spoken version of this which is much better, but I can't find it. Just enjoy translating for yourselves, read it aloud exactly as it is written and you'll get the idea. Then read it at double the speed you first used and you're nearly there. ;D ;D

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORTHUMBRIA/2002-08/1028897779
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Rostum on December 09, 2015, 12:13:29 AM
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I believe the accent and usage in Massaachusetts still has sounds of East Anglian dialect because the Pilgrim fathers settled that region and it is much purer version of the old English than spoken can be found in UK now.

it is and much closer to medieval pronunciation than modern English.

Quote
And specially for our US friends here  is a written version of Moses parting the Red Sea in Geordie. There was a very old spoken version of this which is much better, but I can't find it. Just enjoy translating for yourselves, read it aloud exactly as it is written and you'll get the idea. Then read it at double the speed you first used and you're nearly there. ;D ;D

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORTHUMBRIA/2002-08/1028897779

I knew a buddist monk who used to quote that  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on December 09, 2015, 12:21:24 AM
One of my favorite "dialects" is Trans-Atlantic or Mid-Atlantic English. (The latter in Wikipedia.) It's a sort of learned and affected accent intended to sound upper class. Listen to old Cary Grant and Grace Kelly movies. Better yet, watch old Grace Kelly movies. Have I spoken of my undying adoration of Grace Kelly?  ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Rostum on December 09, 2015, 12:49:17 AM
just reminded me of the incredibly catchy Mika song and seeing I cant get it out my head now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CGVgAYJyjk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CGVgAYJyjk)

have it back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElTt6vUZPYk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElTt6vUZPYk)

better?

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on December 09, 2015, 01:11:27 AM
Yes! Wonderful song!  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 10, 2015, 08:41:19 PM
I am so waiting for these editions before I buy them :D

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV27uL_XAAAqO2n.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 17, 2015, 11:04:45 AM
I was going to buy the last 2 books from our Julia Knight after Christmas, but now I'll wait until mid January because I've just entered the Orbit competition to win the full trilogy :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Mr.J on December 17, 2015, 02:48:36 PM
Since you're talking about buying books, a store was closing down and they had a bunch of books for £1, I bought FF's dear friend Mark Lawrence's debut novel for a quid! Never read it before so perfect excuse to see how Prince of Thorns compares to Prince of Fools (which I really enjoyed)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 17, 2015, 03:01:44 PM
Ooooh it will be love or hate Jorg, no in-between!
(I love him ;D)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Mr.J on December 17, 2015, 03:05:33 PM
Ooooh it will be love or hate Jorg, no in-between!
(I love him ;D)
Well from the blurb I know this guy definitely ain't no Prince Jalan...

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Hedin on December 17, 2015, 03:06:22 PM
Ooooh it will be love or hate Jorg, no in-between!
(I love him ;D)

I'm in between on him.  He's an interesting character for sure but I could never find myself loving or hating him.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 17, 2015, 03:08:16 PM
I hope people don't take this the wrong way (I'm NOT a murderer nor do I want to solve problems by killing ;)), but in many aspects Jorg acts just like me (straight to the point) and in others he's the strong person I wish I was, but I never seem to be able to bring to life.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Mr.J on December 17, 2015, 03:35:55 PM
I hope people don't take this the wrong way (I'm NOT a murderer nor do I want to solve problems by killing ;)), but in many aspects Jorg acts just like me (straight to the point) and in others he's the strong person I wish I was, but I never seem to be able to bring to life.
Intriguing! (also always great when someone has to categorically define themselves as not a murderer ;) ) But sounds like you're definitely not a Prince Jalan then, who essentially just wants to fuck around and run away from any trouble or problem that comes calling at his door.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on December 17, 2015, 04:02:27 PM
I hope people don't take this the wrong way (I'm NOT a murderer nor do I want to solve problems by killing ;)), but in many aspects Jorg acts just like me (straight to the point) and in others he's the strong person I wish I was, but I never seem to be able to bring to life.
Intriguing! (also always great when someone has to categorically define themselves as not a murderer ;) ) But sounds like you're definitely not a Prince Jalan then, who essentially just wants to fuck around and run away from any trouble or problem that comes calling at his door.

Definitely!
It took me ages to finally read Prince of Fools because I didn't want to let go of Jorg, and I really didn't like Jalan at first. But Mark's writing convinced me and won me over in the new series, but I still prefer Snorri and the Red Queen's personalities to Jalan's...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Mr.J on December 17, 2015, 05:18:35 PM
I hope people don't take this the wrong way (I'm NOT a murderer nor do I want to solve problems by killing ;)), but in many aspects Jorg acts just like me (straight to the point) and in others he's the strong person I wish I was, but I never seem to be able to bring to life.
Intriguing! (also always great when someone has to categorically define themselves as not a murderer ;) ) But sounds like you're definitely not a Prince Jalan then, who essentially just wants to fuck around and run away from any trouble or problem that comes calling at his door.

Definitely!
It took me ages to finally read Prince of Fools because I didn't want to let go of Jorg, and I really didn't like Jalan at first. But Mark's writing convinced me and won me over in the new series, but I still prefer Snorri and the Red Queen's personalities to Jalan's...
I prefer Jalan and Snorri when they're together, always more interesting and fun to read when they bounce off one another as completely different people.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Rostum on December 17, 2015, 11:01:01 PM
Jorg just takes the shortest route to what he wants and is unfettered by doubts or concience. mostly what he wants is not to lose.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on December 18, 2015, 01:41:51 AM
@ScarletBea (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=32020), you need to read Girl Genius at www.girlgeniusonline.com (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com).
You have to get way into the story before you start to see our heroine really taking charge, but so worth it.
But all through the story, her intent is always knife-edge straight forward.
So your Jorg comment (and my obsession with GG) made me think of it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Yora on January 07, 2016, 04:35:59 PM
I've been reading a bit about piracy in the Baltic Sea in the 14th century and I think that someone should totally make a fantasy series inspired by it. War of the Roses with Dragons is a huge success, this sounds almost as awsomely chaotic and badass.
Not only do you have basically mercenary armies with their own fleets who capture merchant ships and raid coastal cities both for other lords and on their own initiative, you also have a succession war, impoverished and exiled nobles turning to banditry, corrupt merchant lords who are as powerful as many nobles, the Teutonic Knights, and, which I didn't even know about before, still lawless regions controled by tribal chiefs. And island fortresses. Sieges, sea battles, fleets being send out to hunt pirates, high profile public executions. And it's really all about money. Lots of money.

Add some Finish sorcerers, sea monsters, and mermaids and you're golden. When one of the major players involved is actually called "High Master Konrad of Jungingen of the Teutonic Order" the thing almost writes itself.  :D

And I always thought our little corner of the world was a bit boring.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Mr.J on January 07, 2016, 04:42:36 PM
I'm sold, I'd definitely read that.

Now we just need someone to write it, if only there was a fantasy fan from that part of the world who could write about it?  ::)

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Yora on January 07, 2016, 06:30:12 PM
Yeah, a good question (http://spriggans-den.com/?p=3204).

Biggest obstacle is that I am not really a fan of these political fantasy epics, but it doesn't have to be an immitation of Song of Ice and Fire. Maybe instead making it the story of a mercenary/pirate captain who is trying to make a fortune in such troubled times?
I really like the idea, but don't expect anything in print within the next 10 years.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Raptori on January 07, 2016, 06:34:19 PM
The Shattered Sea trilogy by Joe Abercrombie is set in a post-apocalyptic Baltic, and it's written as if it were a fantasy world. Doesn't really have the political angle you mentioned, but the setting is perfect.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Mr.J on January 07, 2016, 07:41:27 PM
Yeah, a good question (http://spriggans-den.com/?p=3204).

Biggest obstacle is that I am not really a fan of these political fantasy epics, but it doesn't have to be an immitation of Song of Ice and Fire. Maybe instead making it the story of a mercenary/pirate captain who is trying to make a fortune in such troubled times?
I really like the idea, but don't expect anything in print within the next 10 years.
Doesn't have to be that, minimize the epic story from a single perspective, that way it becomes even more epic but we can perceive it on a human level, hey make it a young girl who gets drawn into the pirate war somehow and write your way to the bookstores and amazon  8)

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on January 08, 2016, 02:17:01 PM
To the library tomorrow, returning a few books, trying to get the hardcover of Ruin (I don't want to wait for March when I buy the paperback hehe, although I think all copies are out at the moment), and then some more new books.
I'll go prepared with the lists of 'best books of 2015' :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on January 09, 2016, 03:11:31 PM
To the library tomorrow, returning a few books, trying to get the hardcover of Ruin (I don't want to wait for March when I buy the paperback hehe, although I think all copies are out at the moment), and then some more new books.
I'll go prepared with the lists of 'best books of 2015' :D
Ended up just bringing Lucy Hounsom's Starborn, didn't want to overdo it.
Ruin was out.
I still have a portuguese historical fiction I bought over there to read, and I want to buy Julia Knight's 2 and 3, so that's it.

By the way, Julia's 1 and 2 were there already :)
(she's another unsummonable, so...)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Eclipse on January 09, 2016, 03:13:28 PM
Can we summon you through I thought you turned you notice off when some one summons the Bea  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on January 09, 2016, 03:37:04 PM
Yes, I turned it off - meaning I don't get mails, but I check F-F as much as (or more than) my mails, so... ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Brother of the Sixth Order on January 09, 2016, 04:52:28 PM
I am now reading Knight's Shadow by Sebastian De Castell the 2nd book in "The Greatcoats", i loved the first book a truly excellent debut novel
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on January 09, 2016, 05:33:04 PM
Wrong thread? ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on January 09, 2016, 05:50:37 PM
I am so waiting for these editions before I buy them :D

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV27uL_XAAAqO2n.jpg)

Today I discovered that books 1 and 2 are already available, but book 3 comes out only in April, and 4 in June. Why on earth???
I'll until until June to buy all 4 and binge read ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Mr.J on January 09, 2016, 08:06:39 PM
^^I haven't even read her second book yet :P

Long, long, long way to go. The length of Assassin's Quest alone makes my eyes hurt.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: ScarletBea on January 14, 2016, 12:21:07 PM
Don't know where to put this, so it goes here...

In the spirit of supporting our F-F people, I'd like to say that I think @Eli_Freysson (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40309)'s books are fab!
I admit I haven't read them yet (I don't read ebooks), but I'm helping proofreading book 3 and I'm really getting into the story! So yeah, well done! :D

I think Raptori had already mentioned it, from actually reading them hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Justan Henner on January 14, 2016, 02:28:02 PM
Don't know where to put this, so it goes here...

In the spirit of supporting our F-F people, I'd like to say that I think @Eli_Freysson (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40309)'s books are fab!
I admit I haven't read them yet (I don't read ebooks), but I'm helping proofreading book 3 and I'm really getting into the story! So yeah, well done! :D

I think Raptori had already mentioned it, from actually reading them hehe

I have to agree. Sorry for the delay, Eli, but your edits are on the way.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on January 14, 2016, 03:15:41 PM
I read the first three chapters of The Call, Eli's first book on the train last week and had to put it down. It was pitched too young for what I needed to be reading at that point. I will pick it up again and review on completion.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: JMack on January 14, 2016, 03:19:38 PM
Don't know where to put this, so it goes here...

In the spirit of supporting our F-F people, I'd like to say that I think @Eli_Freysson (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40309)'s books are fab!
I admit I haven't read them yet (I don't read ebooks), but I'm helping proofreading book 3 and I'm really getting into the story! So yeah, well done! :D

I think Raptori had already mentioned it, from actually reading them hehe

Broke down and added yet another Kindle to my unread electronic pile.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: xiagan on January 14, 2016, 09:45:28 PM
I made a new Shelf at Goodreads called "physical tbr" which should help me stop buying new books.

That shelf has 51 books listed and those on my kindle or those I'm reading at the moment (Swords and Scoundrels, Copper Promise, Vagrant) aren't even there... *sigh*

(https://www.goodreads.com/review/list/5608155-christian-christian-christian-christian-christian-christian?shelf=physical-tbr *
dunno if this is visible for everybody)

*love the six Christians in the Url. WTF goodreads?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eli_Freysson on January 14, 2016, 09:52:46 PM
I appreciate the endorsement, ScarletBea.  :)

I read the first three chapters of The Call, Eli's first book on the train last week and had to put it down. It was pitched too young for what I needed to be reading at that point. I will pick it up again and review on completion.

What does "pitched too young" mean?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on January 14, 2016, 09:53:47 PM
I made a new Shelf at Goodreads called "physical tbr" which should help me stop buying new books.

That shelf has 51 books listed
:o :o :o
WOW
Stop sleeping and eating and start reading ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on January 14, 2016, 09:55:05 PM
I made a new Shelf at Goodreads called "physical tbr" which should help me stop buying new books.

That shelf has 51 books listed and those on my kindle or those I'm reading at the moment (Swords and Scoundrels, Copper Promise, Vagrant) aren't even there... *sigh*

(https://www.goodreads.com/review/list/5608155-christian-christian-christian-christian-christian-christian?shelf=physical-tbr *
dunno if this is visible for everybody)

*love the six Christians in the Url. WTF goodreads?
Oooh Tigerman, I really liked that book. So interesting and different, can seem a bit slow and pointless to begin with but well worth sticking with I think.

Also love the url link, maybe it thinks you're super super religious?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on January 14, 2016, 10:13:55 PM
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What does "pitched too young" mean?

The impression I got is this is aimed at the young adult market? I found it flowed well and you are a competant story teller, but I felt like reading something a bit more grown up at that point.

Do you write in English or Icelandic?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eli_Freysson on January 14, 2016, 10:28:17 PM
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What does "pitched too young" mean?

The impression I got is this is aimed at the young adult market? I found it flowed well and you are a competant story teller, but I felt like reading something a bit more grown up at that point.

Do you write in English or Icelandic?

I originally wrote my stories in Icelandic, though I am giving that up to focus on English.

I appreciate the compliments, but as for age groups I just write the stories I want to tell, with no thought to any particular reader group. Maybe I've misunderstood the young adult label, but I thought my stuff is rather more violent than typical YA.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on January 14, 2016, 11:46:29 PM
Haven't got that far yet with the call but that was my first opinion and a good story can tackle sex and violence and still be bracketed as young adult. It just will not be explicit in it's detail.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings
Post by: Ryan Mueller on January 15, 2016, 02:54:13 AM
Since you're talking about buying books, a store was closing down and they had a bunch of books for £1, I bought FF's dear friend Mark Lawrence's debut novel for a quid! Never read it before so perfect excuse to see how Prince of Thorns compares to Prince of Fools (which I really enjoyed)

Lawrence's writing is great in both. I personally liked Prince of Fools a lot better because I found Jalan less off-putting as a main character. The Broken Empire trilogy is one of the stories that I've actually read through completely despite hating the main character. I put that down to Lawrence's skill as a writer. Very few writers can make me read about a character I hate.

I can see how some people would love it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on January 15, 2016, 02:08:45 PM
I think by Prince of Fools Mark had grown as a writer. I read POF then POT and found thorns to be less fluent in prose and style which was disappointing at the time but understandable . Don't get me wrong I loved both books for different reasons and am awaiting the next as each of them has left me wanting more.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on January 15, 2016, 04:58:31 PM
Anyone on the admin side of things know when the site's anticipated book list is going to come out?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on January 15, 2016, 08:39:54 PM
Maybe soon... we got the publishers' choices already.


On other news, I bought Julia Knight's Duellists, books 2 and 3 :D
We need to have another Grim Gathering or UK-meeting type for you to sign me those too!
(and the Waterstone's check-out guy told me he'd heard good things about them, although he said it was like the 3 Musketeers and I had to deny that assumption hehe)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Francis Knight on January 17, 2016, 12:23:04 PM
It would be my pleasure!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on January 20, 2016, 10:20:14 AM
I'm currently reading Lucy Hounsom's Starborn (comments on another thread when I finish), which is coming out in paperback next month, I think.
Due to this, she's got an article on Tor's blog (her publisher), talking about being a reader+writer+reviewer.

I'm not sure if all of you read the main site's articles, but she's a regular contributor - in this Tor article she mentions us (well, Fantasy Faction hehe) and there are even links to a few of her reviews!
I'm sure this will bring more people checking out the main site, and maybe even into the forums :D

http://www.torbooks.co.uk/blog/2016/1/15/wearing-two-hats-lucy-hounsom-on-writing-reviewing (http://www.torbooks.co.uk/blog/2016/1/15/wearing-two-hats-lucy-hounsom-on-writing-reviewing)

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: NoteSpelling on January 30, 2016, 10:59:58 AM
I have a question about modern fantasy novels which is - Why do most new fantasy novels have so much horror incorporated into them? It isn't even like it is just a small crossover genre that has popped up but the new way to write fantasy? I believe is is called Dark Fantasy.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on January 30, 2016, 11:26:28 AM
I have a question about modern fantasy novels which is - Why do most new fantasy novels have so much horror incorporated into them? It isn't even like it is just a small crossover genre that has popped up but the new way to write fantasy? I believe is is called Dark Fantasy.
I'd argue that's sort of always been a thing hasn't it? Only I'd call it more 'Gothic'.

Edgar Allan Poe, Clive Barker, Gaiman's Sandman, Lovecraft etc.

If Fantasy as a genre has some of its roots from Horror and Gothic fiction then it's not surprising contemporary authors want to lean on this area in their story, I also can't think of too many in the recent years so could just be a trend coming back again in reaction to having less of it.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Yora on January 30, 2016, 12:39:33 PM
Doesn't all fantasy have horror elements, regardless of time of writing? Tolkien and Howard both have plenty of horror elements in their stories.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on January 30, 2016, 03:36:37 PM
I found a Kate Elliot book in the charity shop today and got it, after the praises that were given to her latest book.
It's called Spirit Gate, and if I don't like it, it was only 50p anyway, hehe

By the way, how much is "a score"? Is it 20?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: NoteSpelling on January 30, 2016, 10:10:21 PM
I'd argue that's sort of always been a thing hasn't it? Only I'd call it more 'Gothic'.

Edgar Allan Poe, Clive Barker, Gaiman's Sandman, Lovecraft etc.

If Fantasy as a genre has some of its roots from Horror and Gothic fiction then it's not surprising contemporary authors want to lean on this area in their story, I also can't think of too many in the recent years so could just be a trend coming back again in reaction to having less of it.



Well no, most fantasy series at one point did not have elements of horror or gothic elements in them, look at Wheel of Time, Riyria Revelations, Corean Chronicles, The Tamuli, the list goes on... They have magic, hero's, a couple or really bad guys and are often classified as sword and sorcery but they are not Gothic like at all to me.

As for Poe and Lovecraft they were known for their horror stories, they are in fact famous for them and the bulk of their novels are classified as horror or fiction. Sure I will say that Gaiman often has elements of horror in his novels but then that is sort of proving my point about modern fantasy on the whole being darker than it used to be. And I have to admit to having never heard of Clive Backer and to having never read any of his books.

Doesn't all fantasy have horror elements, regardless of time of writing? Tolkien and Howard both have plenty of horror elements in their stories.

I have to be honest that I have never see any hint of horror in Tolkien's work and I have read his books numerous times. There are many other elements coming in from mythology as well as other legends and stories... I have not read Conan the Barbarian but I did see the movie (the one with Arnold terminator guy) and there did not seem to be any hint of what I call horror in that.

Maybe what I need to be is clearer on what I mean when I say horror. By horror I mean the sudden rash of having things like the undead, vampires, zombies, werewolves in novels in many a shape and form. Also the sudden upheaval of really scary bad guys who are just scary with no character to them as well as a huge out cropping of dark dark scenes in novels that seem better fitted to some awful B grad horror movie.

Some books I would use as examples of this would be the Dresden Files, some scenes in Game of Thrones (although it was not that bad), the Green Rider series, the Iron Druid Chronicles, the Garret Files, many of Gaimans novels although again they are not so bad and so on. They all have something very dark and very scary about them that was, to me, lacking in even the very dark moments that Terry Brooks sometimes added to his Shannara series.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on January 31, 2016, 12:28:50 AM
I didn't say all fantasy books are derived from gothic/horror? But the genre is party descended from it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: NoteSpelling on January 31, 2016, 08:42:44 AM
I didn't say all fantasy books are derived from gothic/horror? But the genre is party descended from it.

Not really as fantasy has it's roots in mythology and stories that were used to pass on moral tales and common sense like 'don't go into the woods at night' and that sort of thing as well as a way to pass on tales of historic moments and brave acts people of the time did and over time those stories became formulated until one day people were just making them up and it was called 'Fantasy'. 

P.S edited post and took out 'all fantasy'.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on January 31, 2016, 09:26:33 AM
I didn't say all fantasy books are derived from gothic/horror? But the genre is party descended from it.

Not really as fantasy has it's roots in mythology and stories that were used to pass on moral tales and common sense like 'don't go into the woods at night' and that sort of thing...

And have you read these tales? Read the original brother Grims. It's Disney that diluted all their stories. The original are filed with horror. Tales of kids eaten, incest and murder. Kids back in the day weren't pampered that much.
The tales of the Babayaga coming for you to eat you aren't any nicer.

I'd say fantasy has even more roots in horror since it is close to the abnormal and supernatural, whether with monsters or magic or curses or powers of evil.
Fantasy hardly features villains that are ordinary wicked men.

I'd say nowadays we got more grim stuff around and I guess also more realistic violence as well as a taste for zombies and other blood drinking or canibalistic creatures that wasn't so much there in the 30s-50s... But Inspiration in is not the same as the horror genre itself.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: DrNefario on January 31, 2016, 11:08:05 AM
I found a Kate Elliot book in the charity shop today and got it, after the praises that were given to her latest book.
It's called Spirit Gate, and if I don't like it, it was only 50p anyway, hehe

By the way, how much is "a score"? Is it 20?
Yes, a score is 20.

I enjoyed the Crossroads series, but I haven't really read anything else by Elliott except The Golden Key, way back when.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Yora on January 31, 2016, 11:24:51 AM
I have to be honest that I have never see any hint of horror in Tolkien's work and I have read his books numerous times. There are many other elements coming in from mythology as well as other legends and stories... I have not read Conan the Barbarian but I did see the movie (the one with Arnold terminator guy) and there did not seem to be any hint of what I call horror in that.
The Barrow Downs and Shelob's Lair are the two big ones that come to my mind. Then there's also the spiders in Mirkwood and Bilbo being lost in Goblin Town. Then there's the ring wraiths, the paths of the dead, and of course the encounter with the balrog.
Tolkien did not make it terribly horrific, but they are all certainly horror elements.

Read the original brother Grims. It's Disney that diluted all their stories. The original are filed with horror. Tales of kids eaten, incest and murder. Kids back in the day weren't pampered that much.
The tales of the Babayaga coming for you to eat you aren't any nicer.
Greek myth also has plenty of nasties. When Odysseus reaches home, I think he's the only one left because everyone else of his crew got killed and eaten by monsters.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on January 31, 2016, 11:28:37 AM
I have to be honest that I have never see any hint of horror in Tolkien's work and I have read his books numerous times. There are many other elements coming in from mythology as well as other legends and stories... I have not read Conan the Barbarian but I did see the movie (the one with Arnold terminator guy) and there did not seem to be any hint of what I call horror in that.
The Barrow Downs and Shelob's Lair are the two big ones that come to my mind. Then there's also the spiders in Mirkwood and Bilbo being lost in Goblin Town. Then there's the ring wraiths, the paths of the dead, and of course the encounter with the balrog.
Tolkien did not make it terribly horrific, but they are all certainly horror elements.

Trust me, I read The Lord of the Tings at 11yo and the wraith chasing the hobbits out of the shire terrified me to reading through the night in order not to go to bed in the middle of the action. I remember that distinctly.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: NoteSpelling on January 31, 2016, 02:45:17 PM
And have you read these tales? Read the original brother Grims. It's Disney that diluted all their stories. The original are filed with horror. Tales of kids eaten, incest and murder. Kids back in the day weren't pampered that much.
The tales of the Babayaga coming for you to eat you aren't any nicer.

I'd say fantasy has even more roots in horror since it is close to the abnormal and supernatural, whether with monsters or magic or curses or powers of evil.
Fantasy hardly features villains that are ordinary wicked men.

I'd say nowadays we got more grim stuff around and I guess also more realistic violence as well as a taste for zombies and other blood drinking or canibalistic creatures that wasn't so much there in the 30s-50s... But Inspiration in is not the same as the horror genre itself.

The Barrow Downs and Shelob's Lair are the two big ones that come to my mind. Then there's also the spiders in Mirkwood and Bilbo being lost in Goblin Town. Then there's the ring wraiths, the paths of the dead, and of course the encounter with the balrog.
Tolkien did not make it terribly horrific, but they are all certainly horror elements.

Greek myth also has plenty of nasties. When Odysseus reaches home, I think he's the only one left because everyone else of his crew got killed and eaten by monsters.

As both answers are very similar I will just answer both with one answer to avoid giving the same answer twice. :)

I have indeed read the original Broth Grimm tales (I read them when I was eight), I have also read many Roman and Greek myths I have in fact read The Odyssey more than once and love it.  and I will say that they are / were different. Sure both examples have rather evil baddies but the defining difference thing that separates those examples from modern fantasy is that it was not place there to simple scare you, sure there are scary moments and the evil baddies are REALLY evil but they are simply evil to move that story forward rather than the story is them being evil. 

Unlike today's Fantasy were I feel that it has horror and zombies and everything you listed and more simply to have it. There is not redeeming moment, no point other than to be scary which it was horror is. There is in fact one line of thought that says that we (humans) created horror stories as our culture became more civilized and 'real' dangers (being eaten for example) became less real. Why I dunno but the fact is that the point of horror to to scare people and that is not the point of fantasy.


As for those few moments in LOTR that you have mentioned... you cant have a story about hero's facing incredible odds without there being odds to face. I also don't think that they were that scary... Why I even brought this topic up was because I can't read or even see an trailer for a horror move without having really bad nightmares. I am a scaredy-cat in other words but I had not trouble reading about The Barrow Downs or Shelob's Lair and the Mirkwood Spider scene was just amusing with a few moments of tension.

Now what was really scary was the scene in The Elfstones of Shannara when the Elven king was attacked by the shape shifting Demon that was disguised as his dog... That was scary! 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Yora on January 31, 2016, 03:52:51 PM
It never occured to me that Alien is a horror movie until I was in my 20s. When I saw it at 14, when I was quite easily scared, it was just a sci-fi action movie to me. I've also seen people say that some parts of the videogame Stalker are super frightening, but only think they have a nice gloomy atmosphere myself.
I get scared easily, but alien creatures with simple to grasp behavior never create a horror reaction from me. (Still amazes me how I played Dead Space several times without any discomfort.)

But they are still clearly horror, or at the very least full of horror elements.

If invincible black ghosts with no faces whose touch drains your soul from your body and who will find you anywhere in the world aren't horror, then I don't know what is.

Elements being thrown into a story without much thought or purpose has always been a very big problem with fiction. Melancolic elves who must leave the world of men and journey into the west make a lot of sense in The Lord of the Rings, but almost never anywhere else. Writing fantasy by going down a checklist of things that should appear in a mainstream fantasy book almost never ends up well. (Unless you're parodying or deconstructing those very same conventions.)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: NoteSpelling on January 31, 2016, 04:38:06 PM
It never occured to me that Alien is a horror movie until I was in my 20s. When I saw it at 14, when I was quite easily scared, it was just a sci-fi action movie to me. I've also seen people say that some parts of the videogame Stalker are super frightening, but only think they have a nice gloomy atmosphere myself.
I get scared easily, but alien creatures with simple to grasp behavior never create a horror reaction from me. (Still amazes me how I played Dead Space several times without any discomfort.)

But they are still clearly horror, or at the very least full of horror elements.

If invincible black ghosts with no faces whose touch drains your soul from your body and who will find you anywhere in the world aren't horror, then I don't know what is.

Elements being thrown into a story without much thought or purpose has always been a very big problem with fiction. Melancolic elves who must leave the world of men and journey into the west make a lot of sense in The Lord of the Rings, but almost never anywhere else. Writing fantasy by going down a checklist of things that should appear in a mainstream fantasy book almost never ends up well. (Unless you're parodying or deconstructing those very same conventions.)

Oh Lordy some of the cliches that are used in fantasy are a horror in and of themselves! lol.

I have found myself once or twice reading fantasy (I am very careful about what sci-fi I read) novels that have turned out to be more horror than fantasy...get hald way through a series and suddenly I learn it is a horror/fantasy. The Green Rider series is an example of this.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on February 01, 2016, 01:56:04 AM
Mmmh, I reckon then that it might be you being over sensitive, more than fantasy at large being a problem.

I'm very skittish as well and watch no horror whatsoever. But I can read about it - to an extent - and still find most fantasy to be very readable, even when dark, without much horror crawling up my back, or at least, not horror I feel unjustified.
I do keep away from zombie stories or pure horror genre though.

Maybe the burden of proof is more on you than on us : can you give examples of well known fantasy novels that have an unjustified use of horror? With, as you say
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There is not redeeming moment, no point other than to be scary which it was horror is.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: NoteSpelling on February 01, 2016, 08:12:42 AM
Mmmh, I reckon then that it might be you being over sensitive, more than fantasy at large being a problem.

I'm very skittish as well and watch no horror whatsoever. But I can read about it - to an extent - and still find most fantasy to be very readable, even when dark, without much horror crawling up my back, or at least, not horror I feel unjustified.
I do keep away from zombie stories or pure horror genre though.

Maybe the burden of proof is more on you than on us : can you give examples of well known fantasy novels that have an unjustified use of horror? With, as you say
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There is not redeeming moment, no point other than to be scary which it was horror is.

I can give you titles of books that I have paged through and have decided that they are more horror than fantasy and that I just won't read them. Some of them being - The Mortal Instruments series, Grimnoir Chronicles, Sandman Slim series, The Dersden Files and the the Iron Druid Chronicles just to name a few. And I won't / don't want to read them so I can't give actual passages from these titles as examples.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: DrNefario on February 01, 2016, 01:24:04 PM
The subgenre known as urban fantasy seems very much to be denatured horror: using horror tropes and supernatural beings to tell not-so-horrific stories. I don't read them much, myself. I don't find them very difficult to avoid.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: NoteSpelling on February 01, 2016, 06:37:39 PM
I think my point is that more often than not, the 'Urban' part is left out and it is just labeled 'Fantasy'. Then there is also novels and series that are labeled 'Dark Fantasy' which is just urban fantasy set in traditional fantasy settings, and again the 'Dark' part gets left behind. This leaves the fantasy genre over run by vampires and zombies. Neither of which I want to read and yes they are easy to avoid but that leaves almost no fantasy novels for my to read... this is sad.  :'(
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lanko on February 01, 2016, 06:48:46 PM
Well, I don't much about urban fantasy, but I heard a lot of a book called "Last Dragons Finish Last". I don't think it has vampires or zombies  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Raptori on February 01, 2016, 06:54:28 PM
that leaves almost no fantasy novels for my to read
Sounds like you're looking in the wrong places - there's a ton of great stuff out there, sometimes it feels like there's more than you could ever read in a lifetime!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Arry on February 01, 2016, 07:02:15 PM
I have found myself once or twice reading fantasy (I am very careful about what sci-fi I read) novels that have turned out to be more horror than fantasy...get hald way through a series and suddenly I learn it is a horror/fantasy. The Green Rider series is an example of this.
I feel pretty solid that there are no horror elements in the Green Rider series. There might be some parts that are suspenseful, meant to be scary for the characters, but as a reader of both horror and fantasy, I don't think this series straddles the line at all, but falls firmly in fantasy. I would not even call it dark fantasy. That said, I can understand it maybe had elements you did not care for (which is perfectly fine). Just because I don't agree it is horror, doesn't mean you have to like it :)

I think my point is that more often than not, the 'Urban' part is left out and it is just labeled 'Fantasy'. Then there is also novels and series that are labeled 'Dark Fantasy' which is just urban fantasy set in traditional fantasy settings, and again the 'Dark' part gets left behind. This leaves the fantasy genre over run by vampires and zombies. Neither of which I want to read and yes they are easy to avoid but that leaves almost no fantasy novels for my to read... this is sad.  :'(
'Dark Fantasy' is fantasy with horror elements by definition. I've read dark fantasies without zombies or vampires, but regardless, I don't think it is what you are looking for.

that leaves almost no fantasy novels for my to read
Sounds like you're looking in the wrong places - there's a ton of great stuff out there, sometimes it feels like there's more than you could ever read in a lifetime!
Agreed here. I think you just need to find a better source for discovering books that are in line for what you are looking for. :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: NoteSpelling on February 01, 2016, 08:15:23 PM
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Agreed here. I think you just need to find a better source for discovering books that are in line for what you are looking for. :)

I know that. My complaint (if I can call it that) is that there is no to very little other books to read in the fantasy genre that is not Dark or Urban fantasy. This is mostly because of the fact that there are only a few people that are writing the kind of Fantasy I like to read. The rest all write Dark/Urban Fantasy.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lanko on February 01, 2016, 08:18:14 PM
I know that. My complaint (if I can call it that) is that there is no to very little other books to read in the fantasy genre that is not Dark or Urban fantasy.

What.

Well, you should try The Riyria books by Michael Sullivan. I heard it's pretty light hearted. Or something from Terry Pratchett. I was gonna say The Emperor's Soul from Sanderson but you will probably complain about the bloodsealer.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on February 01, 2016, 08:24:24 PM
Maybe if you can tell us what you like to see in a fantasy novel we could recommend a book for you.what books have you enjoyed before?

Also do you read non-fantasy if you can tell us all you favourite books and tv series it would help us out.

How high is you horror level can you handle things like miss marple and other murder mysteries or historical fiction with battles between armies.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Raptori on February 01, 2016, 08:25:13 PM
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Agreed here. I think you just need to find a better source for discovering books that are in line for what you are looking for. :)

I know that. My complaint (if I can call it that) is that there is no to very little other books to read in the fantasy genre that is not Dark or Urban fantasy. This is mostly because of the fact that there are only a few people that are writing the kind of Fantasy I like to read. The rest all write Dark/Urban Fantasy.
:o

I find it hard to believe that your tastes are so niche that there are only a few people writing that kind of fantasy. What is it that you're looking for in books, exactly? I'm sure we can come up with a list of recommendations that would take you years to get through!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: xiagan on February 01, 2016, 08:36:33 PM
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Agreed here. I think you just need to find a better source for discovering books that are in line for what you are looking for. :)

I know that. My complaint (if I can call it that) is that there is no to very little other books to read in the fantasy genre that is not Dark or Urban fantasy. This is mostly because of the fact that there are only a few people that are writing the kind of Fantasy I like to read. The rest all write Dark/Urban Fantasy.

I promise you that if you'll make a topic asking for book recommendations that fit your taste you will have at least 20 (probably more) good fantasy books recommended to you that fit your taste.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on February 01, 2016, 11:36:43 PM
Maybe if you can tell us what you like to see in a fantasy novel we could recommend a book for you.what books have you enjoyed before?

Also do you read non-fantasy if you can tell us all you favourite books and tv series it would help us out.

How high is you horror level can you handle things like miss marple and other murder mysteries or historical fiction with battles between armies.

@NoteSpelling (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=33339) It would be so much better to start a proper thread on this as @xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148) suggested , with maybe having most of this discussion moved so it follows through. It  would be helpful, not just to you but maybe to others who have similar concerns.
If you answer those questions from @Eclipse (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9661) there may well be suggestions that we can find and you will enjoy, dependng on your limitations.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Ryan Mueller on February 02, 2016, 01:13:46 AM
Mmmh, I reckon then that it might be you being over sensitive, more than fantasy at large being a problem.

I'm very skittish as well and watch no horror whatsoever. But I can read about it - to an extent - and still find most fantasy to be very readable, even when dark, without much horror crawling up my back, or at least, not horror I feel unjustified.
I do keep away from zombie stories or pure horror genre though.

Maybe the burden of proof is more on you than on us : can you give examples of well known fantasy novels that have an unjustified use of horror? With, as you say
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There is not redeeming moment, no point other than to be scary which it was horror is.

I can give you titles of books that I have paged through and have decided that they are more horror than fantasy and that I just won't read them. Some of them being - The Mortal Instruments series, Grimnoir Chronicles, Sandman Slim series, The Dersden Files and the the Iron Druid Chronicles just to name a few. And I won't / don't want to read them so I can't give actual passages from these titles as examples.

I've read The Mortal Instruments, The Dresden Files, and the Iron Druid Chronicles. None of them are horror. The mere presence of supernatural creatures does not make a book horror. There's a central difference between fantasy and horror. The main point of horror is that it's supposed to scare you. These three series are purely meant to entertain with lots of action (and relationship drama in the case of The Mortal Instruments).
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on February 02, 2016, 03:02:42 AM
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I think my point is that more often than not, the 'Urban' part is left out and it is just labeled 'Fantasy'.

I really think you're missing out on a major chunk of Fantasy literature, and might have a flawed definition of "Urban", if you think so.
Urban Fantasy typically is set in nowadays world, mostly in cities or towns, and the fantasy/supernatural element is added on to it.
It's the "life as we know it, but oh, this this weird? Oh gosh, vampires existed along us for all this time, who knew?" kind of setting. It allows people to daydream better, I reckon, since a lot of the world is the one we know.

You can't have the 'urban' part left out if it's UF. It's genre defining.

Indeed you should start a new thread.
Entire lists on Goodreads are full of positive novels, like optimistic Sci-fi (The Long Way being a great example).


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I know that. My complaint (if I can call it that) is that there is no to very little other books to read in the fantasy genre that is not Dark or Urban fantasy.

When you go to Goodreads, and search the Genre "Fantasy" it comes up with these sub-genres to select from :

Dark Fantasy
Dragons
Epic Fantasy
Fairy Tales
Fantasy Of Manners
Fiction
Heroic Fantasy
High Fantasy
Low Fantasy
Magic
Mythology
Paranormal
Supernatural
Unicorns
Urban Fantasy
Weird Fiction

Things like Temeraire, anything by Brandon Sanderson, A Natural History of Dragons, Johnathan Strange and Mr Norrell, The Lunar Chronicles, are just some titles that pop to my head that are excellent and where violence is never horrific.
Otherwise could recommend a lot of Scifi that isn't horror at all, but the point, really, would be to set up a recommendation thread.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: DrNefario on February 02, 2016, 01:38:46 PM
Urban fantasy is popular, and it's usually shelved or listed with regular (aka epic or heroic) fantasy. If you look at the SF/Fantasy page on Amazon, the early pages are pretty heavy with UF. If you're just picking at random, then yes, you'll probably hit quite a lot of that.

I kind of wish it would be hived off somewhere else myself, to be honest, but I think I'm sufficiently good at ignoring it that it doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: NoteSpelling on February 02, 2016, 03:42:13 PM
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I think my point is that more often than not, the 'Urban' part is left out and it is just labeled 'Fantasy'.

I really think you're missing out on a major chunk of Fantasy literature, and might have a flawed definition of "Urban", if you think so.
Urban Fantasy typically is set in nowadays world, mostly in cities or towns, and the fantasy/supernatural element is added on to it.
It's the "life as we know it, but oh, this this weird? Oh gosh, vampires existed along us for all this time, who knew?" kind of setting. It allows people to daydream better, I reckon, since a lot of the world is the one we know.

You can't have the 'urban' part left out if it's UF. It's genre defining.


I have read Mercedes Lackeys SARRAted Edge novels and her Bedlam Bard series and the other one... all of which fall under Urban Fantasy and I loved them, it is when the characters are vampires instead of elves that I start rolling my eyes and avoiding anything thing that looks like a Urban Fantasy novel as one would avoid a vampire watermelon.

Indeed you should start a new thread.
Entire lists on Goodreads are full of positive novels, like optimistic Sci-fi (The Long Way being a great example).

oh I read a lot of Sci-fi and I oddly don't have the same problem finding books to read in the Sci-fi genre, it really only seems to be in the Fantasy department that I run into lack of books due to horror like elements.

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I know that. My complaint (if I can call it that) is that there is no to very little other books to read in the fantasy genre that is not Dark or Urban fantasy.

When you go to Goodreads, and search the Genre "Fantasy" it comes up with these sub-genres to select from :

Dark Fantasy
Dragons
Epic Fantasy
Fairy Tales
Fantasy Of Manners
Fiction
Heroic Fantasy
High Fantasy
Low Fantasy
Magic
Mythology
Paranormal
Supernatural
Unicorns
Urban Fantasy
Weird Fiction


I rather gave up looking for books on goodreads because even when I went and looked under say epic fantasy most of the suggested titles were still, vampire, supernatural, vampire again...Twenty-Five pages in I just gave up on that search and tried another and got the same books! After trying for a week to find something I just gave up.

Things like Temeraire, anything by Brandon Sanderson, A Natural History of Dragons, Johnathan Strange and Mr Norrell, The Lunar Chronicles, are just some titles that pop to my head that are excellent and where violence is never horrific.
Otherwise could recommend a lot of Scifi that isn't horror at all, but the point, really, would be to set up a recommendation thread.

I have had a look and you have mentioned some possible series and novels, I do have a weakness for anything with dragons. I loved the Pern series by Anne Perry and the Dragon Jousters series by I think Mercedes Lackey? Not sure now... But it was a fun series. I will give your suggested books a try, thanks!

I know that. My complaint (if I can call it that) is that there is no to very little other books to read in the fantasy genre that is not Dark or Urban fantasy.

What.

Well, you should try The Riyria books by Michael Sullivan. I heard it's pretty light hearted. Or something from Terry Pratchett. I was gonna say The Emperor's Soul from Sanderson but you will probably complain about the bloodsealer.

I don't read Sanderson, but I have read and loved The Riyria Revelations series by Sullivan, I have read and re-read and the read again all of the Discworld novels my user name is even inspired by a scene in Carpe Jugular. But thanks for the suggestions.

Urban fantasy is popular, and it's usually shelved or listed with regular (aka epic or heroic) fantasy. If you look at the SF/Fantasy page on Amazon, the early pages are pretty heavy with UF. If you're just picking at random, then yes, you'll probably hit quite a lot of that.

I kind of wish it would be hived off somewhere else myself, to be honest, but I think I'm sufficiently good at ignoring it that it doesn't really matter.

I so wish the people would just tag the books properly so when I do a search for Epic Fantasy novels then I would not be swamped by all these books that are not what I want.

Maybe if you can tell us what you like to see in a fantasy novel we could recommend a book for you.what books have you enjoyed before?

oh Lord.... umm how do I choose there are so many! I have liked all of Edding's novels, The LOTR, Terry Pratchett's Discworld, The  Corean Chronicles, The Riyria Revelations, The Unhewn Throne, The SARRAted Edge series or really anything by Mercedes Lackey, in fact i have read everything by Mercedes Lackey...lol, The Memory, Sorrow and thorn series and The Shannara and Landover series by Terry Brooks. Oh and The Chronicles of Master Li and Number Ten Ox by Barry Hughart was just the best series I have read in a long time!

There you can see the type Fantasy I like, the plain old epic kind... lol

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Also do you read non-fantasy if you can tell us all you favourite books and tv series it would help us out.

How high is you horror level can you handle things like miss marple and other murder mysteries or historical fiction with battles between armies.

I read Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Historical Fiction, Mystery, Crime, None Fiction... So I have no trouble with battles or body's, I have read Miss Marple, and many more crime novels the Joe Leaphorn series and Nic Costa series being the best I have read.

Now that I am running out of fantasy novels to read I am reading a large partion of Historical Fiction starting with anything and everything by Bernard Cornwell. His Starbuck Chronicles was just brilliant and I am hoping that he will write the next one in the series soon. I have read Conn Iggulden, Cornwell, other people lol, I am bad with names. Dudely Pope! Lots of him.

I find things to read, just not fantasy things... :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Raptori on February 02, 2016, 04:15:00 PM
Some potential recommendations for @NoteSpelling (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=33339) then!

Is there any particular reason you don't read Sanderson, out of interest?

Should be fine (no horror elements whatsoever as far as I remember):
Realm of the Elderlings (https://www.goodreads.com/series/54099-realms-of-the-elderlings) - my favourite series, absolutely brilliant writing. The protagonists get beaten up pretty badly, but there aren't any real horror elements. Liveships, the second trilogy, is absolutely brilliant, and has nothing even remotely related to horror.
Long Price Quartet (https://www.goodreads.com/series/43409-long-price-quartet) - brilliant series, though it starts slowly. Very different to standard fantasy. The third and fourth books in particular are great.
The Queen's Thief (https://www.goodreads.com/series/43514-the-queen-s-thief) - read these recently, highly recommended. They're listed as YA, but honestly I find that pretty crazy, as there's nothing YA about them aside from a young protagonist in the first book.
Powder Mage (https://www.goodreads.com/series/99602-powder-mage) - love these. I was wary when I first heard of them, since "gunpowder fantasy" didn't really sound that interesting, but I couldn't have enjoyed them more.
Gentleman Bastard (https://www.goodreads.com/series/43531-gentleman-bastard) - I've only read the first one of these, but it's one of the best fantasy novels I've encountered. As with Farseer, the protagonists get hurt badly a couple of times, but there's nothing horror-related.
His Dark Materials (https://www.goodreads.com/series/44427-his-dark-materials) - love this series, though in retrospect it does have a lot of logic issues.
Dreamer's Pool (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17305016-dreamer-s-pool) - this was enjoyable, though not as high a recommendation as most of the above for me. Very well written though.
The Grace of Kings (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18952341-the-grace-of-kings) - didn't live up to its potential imo, but this is still well worth a look. I'm surprised it has such a low rating on GR though.
Codex Alera (https://www.goodreads.com/series/45545-codex-alera) - this was fun, but not brilliant. Worth a look, though not before the others!

Possible (I'd have listed Unhewn Throne in here, so they should be fine for you):
Tales of the Ketty Jay (https://www.goodreads.com/series/49415-tales-of-the-ketty-jay) - these books are brilliant (second only to Liveships for me), so much fun, though the magic system does sort of involve demons (though it's treated more like mad scientists than anything else). Basically, using technology, daemonists can capture a demon and bind it to an object. That object then has special powers, such as a sword that can move itself, or earrings that work like walkie-talkies. When things go wrong there are some horror-like scenes, but the vast majority of the series has more of a Star Wars/Indiana Jones/Pirates of the Caribbean vibe. The first book is decent (3.5 stars for me), but the sequels are second to none.
The Shadow Campaigns (https://www.goodreads.com/series/99112-the-shadow-campaigns) - again, these are excellent gunpowder fantasy. The fantasy elements are being introduced very slowly, and as with Ketty Jay they involve something akin to demons, though this time it's basically summoning something to live inside yourself in order to gain supernatural powers like healing or strength.
The Legend of Eli Monpress (https://www.goodreads.com/series/96468-the-legend-of-eli-monpress) - this also has a very light and fun vibe, but with demons fairly central to the plot, especially later on. It's no stronger in terms of horror than LOTR though for example.
The Copper Promise (https://www.goodreads.com/series/125101-the-copper-promise) - does have some horror-ish elements, but it's a fun sword-and-sorcery-style story so I never got any kind of horror vibe from it.

Ones from my to-read list which I'm pretty sure don't have any horror:
Lightbringer (https://www.goodreads.com/series/49673-lightbringer)
Anything by Guy Gavriel Kay (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/60177.Guy_Gavriel_Kay), which often come highly recommended.
World of the Five Gods (https://www.goodreads.com/series/43463-world-of-the-five-gods)
Howl's Moving Castle (https://www.goodreads.com/series/80111-howl-s-moving-castle)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on February 02, 2016, 05:14:19 PM
Thraxas (Thraxas, #1) by Martin Scott ,light hearted fantasy detective

Not fantasy but I really think you would like The Silver Pigs (Marcus Didius Falco #1) by Lindsey Davis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Elfy on February 02, 2016, 08:49:33 PM
I see NoteSpeling confessed to a weakness for Mercedes Lackey and had read everything by her. I wonder if that included the Diana Tregarde series. That was Urban Fantasy with a capital U, capital F, and the first book had a lot to do with vampires. The lead character was a witch and encountered all sorts of urban fantasy tropes. Now having said that Mercedes Lackey recently co-authored The House of the Four Winds with James Mallory, that's the first book in a secondary world series largely about pirates and may fit what NoteSpelling is searching for, epic fantasy with none of the so called 'horror' elements.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on February 02, 2016, 11:08:33 PM
Yeah, any reason to avoid Sanderson?? He wrote some of the best Epic Fantasy I've ever read, and a lot of his smaller novels still tie in into the "Cosmere" universe, making it an epic story as well.
I'd put it way high up on my list of recommendations.
There also is no horror in his work.
I'd recommend Warbreaker as a start, or some on his novellas like Emperor's Soul or Sixth of the Dusk.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: xiagan on February 03, 2016, 06:37:41 AM


There also is no horror in his work.
One could argue that 'Shadows for Silence in the Forest of Hell' contains elements of horror.
But for the rest I agree.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Raptori on February 03, 2016, 06:50:32 AM
There also is no horror in his work.
One could argue that 'Shadows for Silence in the Forest of Hell' contains elements of horror.
But for the rest I agree.
Hemalurgy is pretty horrific too, though I don't really know enough about horror to say whether it'd come close...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: NoteSpelling on February 03, 2016, 08:46:32 AM
Sorry will answer replies just busy at the moment...

ok created a thread and posted all replies there including mine the newest replies/
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Revan on February 03, 2016, 11:00:37 AM
There also is no horror in his work.
One could argue that 'Shadows for Silence in the Forest of Hell' contains elements of horror.
But for the rest I agree.
Hemalurgy is pretty horrific too, though I don't really know enough about horror to say whether it'd come close...

If you count Hemuralgy as horrific, then Forging from Realms of the Elderlings should count as horrific too.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Raptori on February 03, 2016, 11:19:59 AM
There also is no horror in his work.
One could argue that 'Shadows for Silence in the Forest of Hell' contains elements of horror.
But for the rest I agree.
Hemalurgy is pretty horrific too, though I don't really know enough about horror to say whether it'd come close...

If you count Hemuralgy as horrific, then Forging from Realms of the Elderlings should count as horrific too.
Yeah sort of - I wasn't entirely sure where to put Farseer because of that, but it's nowhere near as graphic as the scenes involving Hemalurgy plus none of the rest of RotE includes Forging (to any real significance at least). Plus Forging has more of an emotional impact, whereas Hemalurgy is just downright gory.  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on February 03, 2016, 11:27:12 AM
@NoteSpelling (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=33339), no one has mentioned the YA (but wonderful) "Chronicles of Prydain" that begins with "The Book of Three". And there's "The Riddlemaster of Hed", which I don't recall that well, but know I enjoyed back in the day.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: NoteSpelling on February 03, 2016, 02:40:03 PM
@NoteSpelling (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=33339), no one has mentioned the YA (but wonderful) "Chronicles of Prydain" that begins with "The Book of Three". And there's "The Riddlemaster of Hed", which I don't recall that well, but know I enjoyed back in the day.

Ah I have read them... A few years ago in fact :)... Did you know that the series was made into a movie in called The Black Cauldron in 1985? Lloyd Alexander I think even helped to adapt it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Elfy on February 03, 2016, 10:26:53 PM
@NoteSpelling (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=33339), no one has mentioned the YA (but wonderful) "Chronicles of Prydain" that begins with "The Book of Three". And there's "The Riddlemaster of Hed", which I don't recall that well, but know I enjoyed back in the day.

Ah I have read them... A few years ago in fact :)... Did you know that the series was made into a movie in called The Black Cauldron in 1985? Lloyd Alexander I think even helped to adapt it.
Disney's The Black Cauldron 1985. Box office disaster. Very nearly put an end to the company's animation department. I watched it a couple of years ago, not a great adaptation. A lot of behind the scenes stuff affected it badly. Interesting enough for the conversation that sparked this, one of the criticisms directed at it was that a number of the scenes featuring the villain were considered too 'horrific' for younger viewers.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on February 04, 2016, 02:16:27 AM
Maybe I should watch it again, but I just remember being so disappointed by it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Elfy on February 04, 2016, 03:26:53 AM
Maybe I should watch it again, but I just remember being so disappointed by it.
I wouldn't. Lejays17 was also a big fan of the books and greatly disappointed by how it was brought to the screen by Disney.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: NoteSpelling on February 04, 2016, 06:20:49 AM
@NoteSpelling (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=33339), no one has mentioned the YA (but wonderful) "Chronicles of Prydain" that begins with "The Book of Three". And there's "The Riddlemaster of Hed", which I don't recall that well, but know I enjoyed back in the day.

Ah I have read them... A few years ago in fact :)... Did you know that the series was made into a movie in called The Black Cauldron in 1985? Lloyd Alexander I think even helped to adapt it.
Disney's The Black Cauldron 1985. Box office disaster. Very nearly put an end to the company's animation department. I watched it a couple of years ago, not a great adaptation. A lot of behind the scenes stuff affected it badly. Interesting enough for the conversation that sparked this, one of the criticisms directed at it was that a number of the scenes featuring the villain were considered too 'horrific' for younger viewers.

I didn't say anything about it being GOOD just that it existed lol. To be honest it was a little horrific for some older viewers who ended up watching it out of boredom on Christmas day more than a few years ago.   
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: NoteSpelling on February 04, 2016, 06:21:41 AM
Maybe I should watch it again, but I just remember being so disappointed by it.

It was really bad....I wouldn't watch it again.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on February 06, 2016, 02:32:32 PM
I was just in Waterstone's Leeds and they had a full desk dedicated to 'heroines', in the large SFF section!
I might have added to the pile, moving the Copper Promise from the shelf to that table ;)
Julia's books were already face-forward hehe

I also prevented a girl buying Paul Hoffman ;D

I didn't buy anything. I really need to read the ones I have already at home first, and then come back...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on February 06, 2016, 02:59:43 PM
I was just in Waterstone's and they had a full desk dedicated to 'heroines', in the large SFF section!
I might have added to the pile, moving the Copper Promise from the shelf to that table ;)
Julia's books were already face-forward hehe

I also prevented a girl buying Paul Hoffman ;D

I didn't buy anything. I really need to read the ones I have already at home first, and then come back...
I fully congratulate you on your non-purchasing trip to Waterstones, it is a brave and important moment when that happens, I find it a hard battle to manage (especially with a gift card burning my pocket)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on February 06, 2016, 03:56:27 PM
I fully congratulate you on your non-purchasing trip to Waterstones, it is a brave and important moment when that happens, I find it a hard battle to manage (especially with a gift card burning my pocket)
Thanks ;D
I've got 2 gift cards burning my pocket, hehe - at least a place where I'm strong... I might be back in 2 weeks :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on February 06, 2016, 04:15:05 PM
I fully congratulate you on your non-purchasing trip to Waterstones, it is a brave and important moment when that happens, I find it a hard battle to manage (especially with a gift card burning my pocket)
Thanks ;D
I've got 2 gift cards burning my pocket, hehe - at least a place where I'm strong... I might be back in 2 weeks :P
Well I bought 2 books from an independent book shop this week so...that'll be my fix for a while (i hope) :D

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Raptori on February 07, 2016, 10:32:22 AM
Really like this article (http://kriswrites.com/2016/02/03/business-musings-serious-writer-voice/). Key point:

Quote
I noted something as I read. Most of the stories had the same voice and tone. What do I mean by that? I mean they read like they’d been written by the exact same person.

It was always a joy—it is always a joy—to “hear” a new voice, a voice that doesn’t sound like anyone else. I could tell without looking at the byline when I hit a Joyce Carol Oates or Megan Abbot or Michael Connelly story. The Strand found an original F. Scott Fitzgerald story and published it last year, and Fitzgerald’s voice—unlike any other—came through loud and clear.

A lot of the stories I read this past year had wonderful plots. They had great characters and lovely twists. The stories were published, remember, and so they all had something unusual, something strong.

But that something generally wasn’t voice.

Sanderson is the quintessential example of that - vanilla writing with high quality magic and plot twists.

The real question: which authors out there now have really compelling voices? For me Robin Hobb qualifies, especially her Fitz books - the voice in those books is wonterful - but that's about it, which is kinda sad.  :-\
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on February 07, 2016, 11:16:31 AM
I don't get that.

I can see why you'd want a compelling voice, but I don't care.
That's one thing I like about Sanderson, precisely. His voice disappears in the background and leaves me to picture everything more easily. I don't care about witty new ways of wrapping a story. Of course every author is more or less different and has his/her own expressions, and the styles also shifts to fit their genre as well (noire and paranormal romance hardly are written in similar voices), but I'm never going crazy over a voice. I'm crazy about the story, the pacing, the characters.

A bad voice puts me off of course, but I don't remember ever giving a critic mentioning an original voice
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Raptori on February 07, 2016, 11:23:40 AM
I don't get that.

I can see why you'd want a compelling voice, but I don't care.
That's one thing I like about Sanderson, precisely. His voice disappears in the background and leaves me to picture everything more easily. I don't care about witty new ways of wrapping a story. Of course every author is more or less different and has his/her own expressions, and the styles also shifts to fit their genre as well (noire and paranormal romance hardly are written in similar voices), but I'm never going crazy over a voice. I'm crazy about the story, the pacing, the characters.

A bad voice puts me off of course, but I don't remember ever giving a critic mentioning an original voice
It's not saying that you can't have a good story without a good voice - that's why I used Sanderson as an example - but that writers with compelling voices are increasingly uncommon. That article argues that it's at least partly due to people placing too much value on the "rules of writing" without considering whether breaking the rules makes sense in their particular case.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Justan Henner on February 07, 2016, 04:17:36 PM
I don't get that.

I can see why you'd want a compelling voice, but I don't care.
That's one thing I like about Sanderson, precisely. His voice disappears in the background and leaves me to picture everything more easily. I don't care about witty new ways of wrapping a story. Of course every author is more or less different and has his/her own expressions, and the styles also shifts to fit their genre as well (noire and paranormal romance hardly are written in similar voices), but I'm never going crazy over a voice. I'm crazy about the story, the pacing, the characters.

A bad voice puts me off of course, but I don't remember ever giving a critic mentioning an original voice
It's not saying that you can't have a good story without a good voice - that's why I used Sanderson as an example - but that writers with compelling voices are increasingly uncommon. That article argues that it's at least partly due to people placing too much value on the "rules of writing" without considering whether breaking the rules makes sense in their particular case.

I think good voice is hard to recognize because it often is lumped into the same category (and not wrongly) with character voice or great prose.

An example, (because I'm reading it right now), is Scott Lynch. I've seen a lot of people mention the prose as being beautiful, but for me Lies of Locke Lamora reads in a distinct, sarcastic and somewhat playful tone that makes the book 1000x better. It's a tone that lends itself to the wisecracking thief, one that allows:

two men to fight a cuckold-er on a trellis while the dishonest wife yells from the window.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on February 07, 2016, 04:34:23 PM
I think good voice is hard to recognize because it often is lumped into the same category (and not wrongly) with character voice
I agree with this. When I first read you post, Raptori, I actually didn't agree because I was just thinking of character voice, and I felt there are a ton of books where not all characters 'sound' the same. Then I read Nora's and realised what it was about. It's "author's style", isn't it?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Yora on February 07, 2016, 04:34:51 PM
Would you say this includes the author clearly showing his opinions and judgements about the events and characters? That could probably slip pretty quickly into preaching.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Raptori on February 07, 2016, 04:40:07 PM
I don't get that.

I can see why you'd want a compelling voice, but I don't care.
That's one thing I like about Sanderson, precisely. His voice disappears in the background and leaves me to picture everything more easily. I don't care about witty new ways of wrapping a story. Of course every author is more or less different and has his/her own expressions, and the styles also shifts to fit their genre as well (noire and paranormal romance hardly are written in similar voices), but I'm never going crazy over a voice. I'm crazy about the story, the pacing, the characters.

A bad voice puts me off of course, but I don't remember ever giving a critic mentioning an original voice
It's not saying that you can't have a good story without a good voice - that's why I used Sanderson as an example - but that writers with compelling voices are increasingly uncommon. That article argues that it's at least partly due to people placing too much value on the "rules of writing" without considering whether breaking the rules makes sense in their particular case.

I think good voice is hard to recognize because it often is lumped into the same category (and not wrongly) with character voice or great prose.

An example, (because I'm reading it right now), is Scott Lynch. I've seen a lot of people mention the prose as being beautiful, but for me Lies of Locke Lamora reads in a distinct, sarcastic and somewhat playful tone that makes the book 1000x better. It's a tone that lends itself to the wisecracking thief, one that allows:

two men to fight a cuckold-er on a trellis while the dishonest wife yells from the window.
Yeah that's a good example, it worked really well there.

I think good voice is hard to recognize because it often is lumped into the same category (and not wrongly) with character voice
I agree with this. When I first read you post, Raptori, I actually didn't agree because I was just thinking of character voice, and I felt there are a ton of books were not all characters 'sound' the same. Then I read Nora's and realised what it was about. It's "author's style", isn't it?
Yeah exactly, which makes it one of the hardest things to define, unfortunately!

Would you say this includes the author clearly showing his opinions and judgements about the events and characters? That could probably slip pretty quickly into preaching.
Definitely not imo - the personality elicited through voice is completely separate from the person's opinions.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: NoteSpelling on February 08, 2016, 09:25:45 AM
I love it when an author has 'a voice' and you can read just one line and know who wrote it. I rather miss it in fact and the lack of voice in most novels are making a lot of genres all sound the same and lacking in variety.

A few authors that I have read recently still have a voice though... the ones that have the strongest are - Laura Joh Rowland, Bernard Cornwell, Tony Hillerman, Roger Zalazney, Michael J. Sullivan, William Horwood (although I do not think he counts as, as far as I know he hasn't written anything in years), L.E. Modesitt and Terry Pratchett. It is sad that we will not be getting any more Discworld novels now, I enjoyed that witty commentary about the world at large that he included in his novels.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: mesmithcity on February 10, 2016, 08:31:03 PM
Late to the discussion, but I'm really crushing on the idea of the peasants ruling the nobility...it would be tricky, but a good writer could do it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on February 10, 2016, 09:04:50 PM
Late to the discussion, but I'm really crushing on the idea of the peasants ruling the nobility...it would be tricky, but a good writer could do it.

Sounds like the "Reign of Terror" during the French Revolution.
And I'd suspect that once the nobility are cast down from power, the proletariat will form a pseudo nobility of the priviledged party members. Oh, wait, that's been done already.  ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on February 10, 2016, 11:00:29 PM
However rules the food production and water collection effectively rules the world. Which is why traditional Nobles own the land. They also offered protection. It'd be interesting indeed if they offered protection against water and food because the peasants owned their own lands.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on February 13, 2016, 02:47:50 PM
What do you get by adding ScarletBea feeling down + she being around town + she having a WH Smith voucher that gives £5 off if you spend £15 in books?
That's right.
Dune, 50th anniversary edition - Frank Herbert
Reasons to stay alive - Matt Haig

One because their fantasy choice wasn't too big, and I've recently watched bits of the movie again, which I've loved since I was 14 and never read the book.
The other because I think the tips fit perfectly - don't worry, I should say that the best title for me would be 'Someone's been there and knows the path of climbing the mountain'
 :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on February 13, 2016, 02:56:26 PM
Love Dune the book.
Love reasons to stay alive. Any of em.  ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Raptori on February 13, 2016, 02:58:09 PM
Never seen the Dune film, but the book is brilliant. Hope you like it! Need to re-read it again sometime...  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on February 13, 2016, 02:59:20 PM
Opened the book on a random page - a short one:

"Depression is smaller than you.
Always, it is smaller than you, even when it feels vast.
It operates within you, you do not operate within it. It may be a dark cloud passing across the sky, but - if that is the metaphor - you are the sky.
You were there before it. And the cloud can't exist without the sky, but the sky can exist without the cloud."

 :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on February 25, 2016, 09:16:47 PM
On behalf of mothers and women across the world...

In a couple of weeks it's Mothers' Day in the UK (I'm not sure because I celebrate Portugal's Mothers' Day, where my mum is :) ).
Shops are filling their windows with present suggestions, and the books... oh my god the books *shakes head* Apparently people think that mothers can't read anything but romance or vapid chick lit. Honestly, there's nothing else as suggestion.

So to all the mothers in this forum, rebel, and ask for Fantasy ;D Get your kids complaining at the bookshop!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eli_Freysson on February 26, 2016, 12:56:17 PM
On behalf of mothers and women across the world...

In a couple of weeks it's Mothers' Day in the UK (I'm not sure because I celebrate Portugal's Mothers' Day, where my mum is :) ).
Shops are filling their windows with present suggestions, and the books... oh my god the books *shakes head* Apparently people think that mothers can't read anything but romance or vapid chick lit. Honestly, there's nothing else as suggestion.

So to all the mothers in this forum, rebel, and ask for Fantasy ;D Get your kids complaining at the bookshop!

REALLY rebel! Ask for stuff like this!  :)

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/6/60709/1389261-hale3.jpg
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on February 26, 2016, 01:16:16 PM
I finally finished Guns of August the other night and as of last night I had four books on hold at the library.  This morning I got an e-mail saying that my copy of Napoleon: A Life is in.  I'm really in the mood for something fiction instead of another non-fiction but I've been waiting almost two months for this copy so I guess that's going to be next.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on February 26, 2016, 01:23:15 PM
I finally finished Guns of August the other night and as of last night I had four books on hold at the library.  This morning I got an e-mail saying that my copy of Napoleon: A Life is in.  I'm really in the mood for something fiction instead of another non-fiction but I've been waiting almost two months for this copy so I guess that's going to be next.

Barabara Tuchman. Love that book.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on February 26, 2016, 01:23:28 PM
Can't you renew a couple of times?
I can do up to 3 renewals (I think, I've only done one maximum), and I actually will have to do it on a book currently at home because I was reading others.

So you can read a fiction book now and wait on the Napoleon one, for later.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Arry on February 26, 2016, 01:30:56 PM
Can't you renew a couple of times?
I can do up to 3 renewals (I think, I've only done one maximum), and I actually will have to do it on a book currently at home because I was reading others.

So you can read a fiction book now and wait on the Napoleon one, for later.

If it's like my library, a wait that long means theres a hold list. If there's a hold list you can not renew.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on February 26, 2016, 01:31:45 PM
I finally finished Guns of August the other night and as of last night I had four books on hold at the library.  This morning I got an e-mail saying that my copy of Napoleon: A Life is in.  I'm really in the mood for something fiction instead of another non-fiction but I've been waiting almost two months for this copy so I guess that's going to be next.

Barabara Tuchman. Love that book.

It was a really good book.  My only issue that I had some trouble visualizing how some of the battles & marches played out but those were some minor quibbles.  If anyone is ever interested in reading about WWI that book has to be one of the must reads.

Can't you renew a couple of times?
I can do up to 3 renewals (I think, I've only done one maximum), and I actually will have to do it on a book currently at home because I was reading others.

I can do one but I always feel guilty renewing in case someone else is waiting as well.  I'll wait a day or two to see if anything else comes before starting but I don't want to wait too long before reading something.


Edit - I just realized I put this in Misc Musings instead of Currently Reading.  I think I should just call it a day and go home now.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on February 26, 2016, 04:07:06 PM
Edit - I just realized I put this in Misc Musings instead of Currently Reading.  I think I should just call it a day and go home now.
But... but... you were posting this at your 8am! Are you telling us you worked all night? :o

(I know your time zone by heart because you're in the same state as my company's HQ, hehe)

And it actually fitted well in this thread too :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on February 27, 2016, 02:56:41 PM
For the Game of Throne Fans!

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26218367-the-official-a-game-of-thrones-colouring-book

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on February 27, 2016, 03:24:23 PM
For the Game of Throne Fans!

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26218367-the-official-a-game-of-thrones-colouring-book

Gave it jmacksson for Christmas!  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on February 27, 2016, 03:51:23 PM
I was given 2 of these colouring books (not the GoT one), by friends who thought this would help with my illness.
They had the best intentions, but nope. It's just boring - I've done 2 pages, but it doesn't really relax me hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on February 27, 2016, 08:23:27 PM
Sorry for the double post but I've just read this review in the paper and it really got my hackles up >:(

Reviewing The Census Taker, China Miéville:
"CM technically belongs on the sci-fi/fantasy shelf (...) but he's too good to label with any particular genre. His imagination is powerful, his outlook original and he's an amazing teller of stories (...) he observes the literary rules of his so-called genre only by breaking them."

Argh!
Basically this reviewer is saying that fantasy writers don't have powerful imagination, or original outlooks, or tell amazing stories ::)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: xiagan on February 27, 2016, 08:54:16 PM
Go and write him an angry letter. ;) Seriously, why are some people so snobbish?  ::)

Completely unrelated to this, I updated my physical TBR on Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/review/list/5608155?order=a&shelf=physical-tbr&sort=author) and it's 86 books heavy. Do you think I need help?
Apparently I'm easy to excite and trust the lot of you with having good tastes - over 90% of the books were bought because I'm active on this site...  ;D Now where to find time to read them all?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on February 27, 2016, 10:29:31 PM
My physical TBR list is zero.   I typically don't go book buying until I need something to read because it would bug me have a pile just sitting there.   The only exception is if I see a good sale but even then I work that book in after I finish what I'm currently reading. 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: xiagan on February 28, 2016, 07:25:43 AM
My physical TBR list is zero.   I typically don't go book buying until I need something to read because it would bug me have a pile just sitting there.   The only exception is if I see a good sale but even then I work that book in after I finish what I'm currently reading.
I wish I had your discipline... It got better, though. Nowadays I only buy books if I've already started the series, are buying all books of that author anyway or get it used for an amazing price.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on March 03, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
I hate it when everyone loves a book you didn't particular enjoy or you when you love a book and no one else does.

I think even worse through is when you find an awesome book and no ones heard of it so you can't talk about it to another fan.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: xiagan on March 03, 2016, 07:53:14 AM
I hate it when everyone loves a book you didn't particular enjoy or you when you love a book and no one else does.

I think even worse through is when you find an awesome book and no ones heard of it so you can't talk about it to another fan.
Examples? :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on March 03, 2016, 08:03:34 AM
I hate it when everyone loves a book you didn't particular enjoy or you when you love a book and no one else does.

I think even worse through is when you find an awesome book and no ones heard of it so you can't talk about it to another fan.
Examples? :)

In my case, Ariah by B R Sanders. It's an awesome bildungsroman, pretty unique in style, I found it truly touching and beautiful, very refreshing in its style, and modern in its themes (besides growing up, coming to terms with who, what you are, bearing with social pressure, it has a great treatment of homosexuality and multiple-partner relationships). I recommended it on a few threads, and no one ever replied.
It's like not only no one here read it, but I didn't manage to interest anyone with it, not even on the thread on LGBT related books.
I wish I knew someone who'd read it, but then if I want companionship there, I could just go lurk on the goodreads comments I guess.  :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on March 03, 2016, 08:17:02 AM
I hate it when everyone loves a book you didn't particular enjoy or you when you love a book and no one else does.

I think even worse through is when you find an awesome book and no ones heard of it so you can't talk about it to another fan.
Examples? :)

In my case, Ariah by B R Sanders. It's an awesome bildungsroman, pretty unique in style, I found it truly touching and beautiful, very refreshing in its style, and modern in its themes (besides growing up, coming to terms with who, what you are, bearing with social pressure, it has a great treatment of homosexuality and multiple-partner relationships). I recommended it on a few threads, and no one ever replied.
It's like not only no one here read it, but I didn't manage to interest anyone with it, not even on the thread on LGBT related books.
I wish I knew someone who'd read it, but then if I want companionship there, I could just go lurk on the goodreads comments I guess.  :D
Hey, I've actually looked for it on amazon and elsewhere after you mentioned that book before, but it's expensive, just for me to 'give it a try' hehe I also have a ton of books I'd like to read first... but I'll keep looking out for promotions :)

I think that bugs me more than me liking a book others didn't or vice-versa, everyone has different tastes.

For me my example is the Hyddenworld series by William Horwood, or Judith Tarr's Alamut books
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on March 03, 2016, 08:58:31 AM
I hate it when everyone loves a book you didn't particular enjoy or you when you love a book and no one else does.

I think even worse through is when you find an awesome book and no ones heard of it so you can't talk about it to another fan.
Examples? :)

In my case, Ariah by B R Sanders. It's an awesome bildungsroman, pretty unique in style, I found it truly touching and beautiful, very refreshing in its style, and modern in its themes (besides growing up, coming to terms with who, what you are, bearing with social pressure, it has a great treatment of homosexuality and multiple-partner relationships). I recommended it on a few threads, and no one ever replied.
It's like not only no one here read it, but I didn't manage to interest anyone with it, not even on the thread on LGBT related books.
I wish I knew someone who'd read it, but then if I want companionship there, I could just go lurk on the goodreads comments I guess.  :D
Hey, I've actually looked for it on amazon and elsewhere after you mentioned that book before, but it's expensive, just for me to 'give it a try' hehe I also have a ton of books I'd like to read first... but I'll keep looking out for promotions :)

I think that bugs me more than me liking a book others didn't or vice-versa, everyone has different tastes.

For me my example is the Hyddenworld series by William Horwood, or Judith Tarr's Alamut books

You don't read ebook don't you?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on March 03, 2016, 09:20:49 AM
Nope, that's the usual problem, hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on March 03, 2016, 11:15:55 AM
@Nora (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40237), it was okay cheap on Kindle, so.... Purchased.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on March 03, 2016, 11:20:47 AM
@Nora (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40237), it was okay cheap on Kindle, so.... Purchased.

It is right? Let me know what you think of it when you reach it. I found it left me pretty moody. Really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: night_wrtr on March 03, 2016, 02:12:11 PM
I hate it when everyone loves a book you didn't particular enjoy or you when you love a book and no one else does.

I think even worse through is when you find an awesome book and no ones heard of it so you can't talk about it to another fan.
Examples? :)

Forgotten Soldiers by Joshua P. Simon  :D

Edit: Its free right now on Kindle Unlimited.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Ryan Mueller on March 03, 2016, 05:19:30 PM
So I have 1419 books on my to-read shelf at Goodreads. I highly doubt I'll ever read all those books.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: DrNefario on March 03, 2016, 05:26:43 PM
I have 1249 rows in my To Be Read spreadsheet.

So far this year, I have read 20 items (18 books, 2 novellas) and acquired, um, 20 items.

Running to stand still. :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on March 03, 2016, 06:39:09 PM
How many of those books are vague future books?  Like I can see putting down The Winds of Winter if you're a Martin fan but have you also put down A Dream of Spring (sidenote: it currently has 441 reviews for a 4.39 rating on Goodreads which is absolutely ridiculous)?

There is no way I could list 1000 books for a TBR list.  I doubt I could even rack up 500.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on March 03, 2016, 07:23:46 PM
I've only got about 200 plus books on my tbr pile on Goodreads, read 432

1000 books on  a tbr pile  :o
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: DrNefario on March 03, 2016, 09:58:19 PM
It's not really To Be Read, it's all the books I already own and haven't yet read. Many of them I will be quite happy to never read - they are random kindle freebies or other things I've accumulated without being too picky - but whenever I try to filter out the things I don't care about, I always hit tricky edge cases and I find I can never really be confident about anything. It's easier just to keep track of everything I have that I haven't read.

Still a few hundred that I do want to read, though.

Later: Just checked my figures, and it's much better than I thought. There are a mere 1241 rows in my spreadsheet, and one of them is the headers, so only 1240 items. That's hardly anything.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on March 08, 2016, 06:01:36 PM
Wow, I thought they always ignored 'genre writers'!
Becky Chambers' The long way to a small angry planet has just been nominated for the Baileys Women's Prize for Fiction :D (part of the 20-books longlist)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: tebakutis on March 08, 2016, 08:09:36 PM
Wow, I thought they always ignored 'genre writers'!
Becky Chambers' The long way to a small angry planet has just been nominated for the Baileys Women's Prize for Fiction :D (part of the 20-books longlist)

Very cool! I enjoyed her first book quite a bit, especially with the obvious nods to Mass Effect. Looking forward to the sequel.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on March 12, 2016, 07:50:33 PM
http://www.valyriansteel.com/shop/swords/the-hounds-helm/prod_18.html

Now you too can wear the Hound's Helm!  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on March 12, 2016, 09:05:29 PM
I'd rather get this 8)

(http://www.valyriansteel.com/shop/images/uploads/Longclaw%20on%20Display.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on March 12, 2016, 09:24:02 PM
If we are moving into shameless linking terratory i am going to plug a mates work. Nice affordable wars of the roses armour and lovely swords to practice your Talhoffer moves.

http://www.stgeorgearmoury.co.uk/ (http://www.stgeorgearmoury.co.uk/)

Mark has work on display at the Tower of London at present.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on March 12, 2016, 09:26:09 PM
oh those swords!
I so want to learn to handle a sword now :'( but real stuff like in books, not this fencing sport malarkey
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Anti_Quated on March 18, 2016, 02:15:33 AM
Wow, I thought they always ignored 'genre writers'!
Becky Chambers' The long way to a small angry planet has just been nominated for the Baileys Women's Prize for Fiction :D (part of the 20-books longlist)

I'd heard a few flutterings regarding this but wasn't sure it would be to my liking. With the Mass Effect reference perhaps I'll look a a little closer.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Justan Henner on March 18, 2016, 03:03:34 PM
If we are moving into shameless linking terratory i am going to plug a mates work. Nice affordable wars of the roses armour and lovely swords to practice your Talhoffer moves.

http://www.stgeorgearmoury.co.uk/ (http://www.stgeorgearmoury.co.uk/)

Mark has work on display at the Tower of London at present.

Those are neat. You say he made them?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on March 26, 2016, 02:12:50 PM
I keep finding good books in the charity shop where I volunteer :D

Recently I got one by Kate Elliot, a brand new Warded Man (Peter V Brett) - I'd only read it from the library, and today I got Abercrombie's The Heroes in trade paperback, also almost in mint condition.
All 50p ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Anti_Quated on March 27, 2016, 09:08:10 PM
I keep finding good books in the charity shop where I volunteer :D

Recently I got one by Kate Elliot, a brand new Warded Man (Peter V Brett) - I'd only read it from the library, and today I got Abercrombie's The Heroes in trade paperback, also almost in mint condition.
All 50p ;D

Karmic remuneration?  :)
Excellent find.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on March 27, 2016, 09:24:32 PM
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Those are neat. You say he made them?

Sorry Justin I should have checked the thread sooner. Yes he makes them and is one of the better armourers supplying the reenactment market. The museum work  is what stretches his skills. He started making knives (cutlering) and progressed into swords after someone (ahem) asked him to make a hand and a half blunt for fighting with.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on April 02, 2016, 02:37:03 PM
I feel that my reading speed has got faster or that I'm just reading more due to lack of sleep
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on April 04, 2016, 06:02:58 PM
Oh my self-control ::)
I went to the library to return Jen's book. Just to return, don't bring any more home...
Yeah, right.
I now have the Dangerous Women anthology and The quick, a 'victorian gothic horror' (by Lauren Owen) at home ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on April 04, 2016, 09:56:22 PM
Dangerous women is the best of the anthologies. Best story is not fantasy per say but about a kidnapped girl.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on April 05, 2016, 09:06:05 AM
Dangerous women is the best of the anthologies. Best story is not fantasy per say but about a kidnapped girl.
Good to know, thanks :)
I usually don't read short stories, but I was attracted by all the author names, the subject and the fact I can keep it at work and read one in my lunch break.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on April 05, 2016, 04:15:21 PM
I usually don't read short stories...
Ahem, what about the monthly contest? Are you saying you don't read our stories? (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked032.gif)

 ;D :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on April 05, 2016, 04:26:07 PM
Yep, I just roll dice and vote :P
pffffff ;D
I meant *in books*!!!
I can tell you that the only one I've read was the F-F anthology, hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on April 06, 2016, 12:56:26 PM
Best story is not fantasy per say but about a kidnapped girl.
Was that the Megan Abbot one, with the father thinking about everything that happened and a mother that people think is lying?
If yes, I've just read that one, quite creepy....
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on April 06, 2016, 01:47:11 PM
Quote
Was that the Megan Abbot one, with the father thinking about everything that happened and a mother that people think is lying?
If yes, I've just read that one, quite creepy....

I believe so, it has been a while since I read it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on April 06, 2016, 05:53:20 PM
Just a quick plug for those people who haven't ventured down the board, nominations for the Fantasy-Faction Favorite Protagonist Book Battle are now being taken until next Friday (April 15th).  If you haven't nominated or want to go back through and change/add any of your previous nominations feel free to do so.

http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-faction-book-battles/fantasy-faction-book-battles-favorite-protagonists-nominations/ (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-faction-book-battles/fantasy-faction-book-battles-favorite-protagonists-nominations/)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: xiagan on April 07, 2016, 07:53:28 PM
Just bought The Chronicles of Master Li and Ten Ox (not the version signed by author and illustrator for 250 € on eBay, though ;)). Hope I'm not disappointed, it was still pricey.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Peat on April 07, 2016, 09:14:21 PM
Just bought The Chronicles of Master Li and Ten Ox (not the version signed by author and illustrator for 250 € on eBay, though ;)). Hope I'm not disappointed, it was still pricey.

I've only read The Bridge of Birds, but I loved it more than words can convey. I have to steal McCaffrey's quote from the blurb; "Li Kao might have a slight flaw in his character, but this book has none."

And yeah, looked pricey. I grabbed Bridge of Birds on its own second hand for minimal money, but grabbing the other two will hurt. I'm going to though.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Elfy on April 07, 2016, 10:36:47 PM
Just bought The Chronicles of Master Li and Ten Ox (not the version signed by author and illustrator for 250 € on eBay, though ;)). Hope I'm not disappointed, it was still pricey.
They are really hard to get now. I'm just lucky that Lejays17 got me the signed Sub Press omnibus a few years back as a present before they became prohibitively expensive. The Bridge of Birds is absolutely brilliant.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on April 08, 2016, 12:40:23 AM
Just bought The Chronicles of Master Li and Ten Ox (not the version signed by author and illustrator for 250 € on eBay, though ;)). Hope I'm not disappointed, it was still pricey.
They are really hard to get now. I'm just lucky that Lejays17 got me the signed Sub Press omnibus a few years back as a present before they became prohibitively expensive. The Bridge of Birds is absolutely brilliant.

I can honestly say that I have never heard of these books before.   I'm assuming it's out of print?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on April 08, 2016, 01:58:01 AM
Just bought The Chronicles of Master Li and Ten Ox (not the version signed by author and illustrator for 250 € on eBay, though ;)). Hope I'm not disappointed, it was still pricey.
They are really hard to get now. I'm just lucky that Lejays17 got me the signed Sub Press omnibus a few years back as a present before they became prohibitively expensive. The Bridge of Birds is absolutely brilliant.

I can honestly say that I have never heard of these books before.   I'm assuming it's out of print?

I bought The Bridge of Birds here a couple of months ago, haven't read it yet, but it arrived promptly and Book Depository does not charge p&p.

http://www.bookdepository.com/Bridge-of-Birds-B-Hughart/9780345321381?ref=grid-view

ETA Because of no P&P and living here I buy nearly all my books from here and service excellent.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on April 08, 2016, 04:14:05 AM
Abes books sell second hand books quite cheaply mostly.

Also have used www.fetchbook.info its like a compare service for novels you type in the book you want and it searches book sellers to where you can get it cheapest.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: DrNefario on April 08, 2016, 01:48:11 PM
I'm sure I saw a while ago that the Chronicles of Master Li and Number Ten Ox were coming to the Fantasy Masterworks range, which should make them a bit easier to find outside the US, but I don't know when.

The Subterranian paper edition might be rare and expensive, but the ebook was/is excellent value.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on April 17, 2016, 05:07:53 PM
I now have the Dangerous Women anthology and The quick, a 'victorian gothic horror' (by Lauren Owen) at home ;D
My moronic brain just remembered the Quick name, without realising that it was because I'd already read it ::)
So now I'm 9 days in Portugal with just 1 book... I better re-read one of my Agatha Christie novels I've got over here too.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on April 17, 2016, 06:26:07 PM
Quick! What is the address? We must stage an intervention!

You must have more books!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: G_R_Matthews on April 17, 2016, 07:13:36 PM
I now have the Dangerous Women anthology and The quick, a 'victorian gothic horror' (by Lauren Owen) at home ;D
My moronic brain just remembered the Quick name, without realising that it was because I'd already read it ::)
So now I'm 9 days in Portugal with just 1 book... I better re-read one of my Agatha Christie novels I've got over here too.

Have you got an e-reader yet? :) I'd send you a version of one of mine :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on April 18, 2016, 12:47:40 PM
Nope. Books for me = paper :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on April 18, 2016, 01:46:15 PM
You're on holiday treat yourself to an ereader.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on April 18, 2016, 01:52:35 PM
Nope. Books for me = paper :P
I agree, nothing beats a book.

But a Kindle is pretty great honestly, very useful carrying all these great books around with me. Got two Robin Hobbs, Night Circus, Gardens of the Moon, Grace of Kings & Leviathan Wakes on there. And its smaller than a regular book.  8)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on April 18, 2016, 06:02:38 PM
I just can't :(
I'm never away for more than a week or so, so it doesn't really bother me. I only read one book at a time anyway...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on April 18, 2016, 06:06:49 PM
I'll keep loving and owning books, but I can't be parted from my eReader now. I used to be downright against them. I was being prejudiced and silly.
Not only is is smaller, lighter, and contains hundreds of books, but new releases are also infinitely cheaper, and I'm the sort who can usually just afford second hand books, so it changed my life, to be able to get any novel as soon as it hits the shelves.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on April 18, 2016, 06:18:32 PM
I'll keep loving and owning books, but I can't be parted from my eReader now. I used to be downright against them. I was being prejudiced and silly.
Not only is is smaller, lighter, and contains hundreds of books, but new releases are also infinitely cheaper, and I'm the sort who can usually just afford second hand books, so it changed my life, to be able to get any novel as soon as it hits the shelves.

I'm the same, I used to be dead against e-readers and preferred having a physical book in my hand.  Over time I've come to appreciate and desire the convenience of using one.  New releases are generally a little bit cheaper with e-books than physical books which helps the wallet (granted with just a click from your couch impluse buying happens more).  That and with my library belonging to the Overdrive system I can check out e-books from the convenience of my couch which I find appealing.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on April 18, 2016, 06:18:46 PM
I'm thinking of getting a new Kindle can I transfer my books I've got on my old kindle? 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on April 18, 2016, 06:22:23 PM
I'm thinking of getting a new Kindle can I transfer my books I've got on my old kindle?

Can't see why not. When you link your kindle to your computer, you can access all your library of books. I actually save them all on my hard drives. So when you plug your new kindle, since it'll read the same .obi format, just transfer them.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on April 18, 2016, 06:23:38 PM
I'm thinking of getting a new Kindle can I transfer my books I've got on my old kindle?

Can't see why not. When you link your kindle to your computer, you can access all your library of books. I actually save them all on my hard drives. So when you plug your new kindle, since it'll read the same .obi format, just transfer them.

Thanks I'm not very good at  computery stuff  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on April 18, 2016, 06:47:25 PM
I'm thinking of getting a new Kindle can I transfer my books I've got on my old kindle?

Can't see why not. When you link your kindle to your computer, you can access all your library of books. I actually save them all on my hard drives. So when you plug your new kindle, since it'll read the same .obi format, just transfer them.

Thanks I'm not very good at  computery stuff  :)

Like Nora said you'll have to transfer them from your Kindle to your computer back to your new Kindle (there may be a way to do a Kindle to Kindle transfer but I'm not aware of it) but it's pretty easy to do.  I also use Caliber to help manage my books and the DRM.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: DrNefario on April 19, 2016, 01:33:54 PM
If they're just regular Kindle books, and the new device is using the same account, then they'll be available to download again in Archive, or whatever it's called on recent models. No PC required.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on April 21, 2016, 02:58:14 PM
Main board advertising:

For those of you who don't venture down to the Interactive area of the board, the Main Protagonist Book Battle is live.  If you haven't done so feel free to check it out and to agonize over two completely different but equally great characters (and then keep doing that).

http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-faction-book-battles/fantasy-faction-book-battles-favourite-main-protagonist-bracket-discussion/ (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-faction-book-battles/fantasy-faction-book-battles-favourite-main-protagonist-bracket-discussion/)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on April 21, 2016, 09:19:08 PM
How many times have people entered and won a Goodreads giveaway? I've had one free book out of about 20 I've in
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on April 21, 2016, 11:52:11 PM
How many times have people entered and won a Goodreads giveaway? I've had one free book out of about 20 I've in
I've won 3 times, Half a War, The Incorruptibles and recently Children of Earth and Sky - and I've entered probably about 60 ish maybe? Possibly more.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on April 25, 2016, 11:53:42 PM
won 3 out of maybe 50-60 tries. the odds can be good when the likes of J.Abercrombie are giving away 40 books in one go...Must remember to get my gold copy of half a world signed next week.

Edit: no Friday not next week....

Anyone going to the Sharp Ends signing Bristol Waterstones on Friday?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on May 07, 2016, 03:46:13 PM
Well, buying books is nice ;D
I entered Waterstone's with zero intention of buying... but then they had Uprooted and Rain Wild Chronicles 3 (new cover!) on the 'buy 1 next half price' so I couldn't resist.
I mean, I don't even have 1 and 2 for Rain Wild yet, but I know I'm going to buy them, and usually they don't have any discount online, hehe

Oh, no need to put Jen's or Francis' books cover front on the shelves because they were already like that!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on May 07, 2016, 06:02:23 PM
Well, buying books is nice ;D
I entered Waterstone's with zero intention of buying... but then they had Uprooted and Rain Wild Chronicles 3 (new cover!) on the 'buy 1 next half price' so I couldn't resist.
I mean, I don't even have 1 and 2 for Rain Wild yet, but I know I'm going to buy them, and usually they don't have any discount online, hehe

Oh, no need to put Jen's or Francis' books cover front on the shelves because they were already like that!
I approve this message.

Was it the new Uprooted paperback too? As I would quite like to buy that simply because of the cover, gorge.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on May 07, 2016, 08:30:15 PM
Yep, this one:
(http://pics.cdn.librarything.com/picsizes/ed/c6/edc6951e01d5100596d474b6d41444341587343.jpg)

And I don't think I would have picked it up if not for F-F recommendations and general praise of the book :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on May 09, 2016, 12:35:53 PM
Dis book tho?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChwoCl8U4AAGJLC.jpg)

How gorgeous is that.

It's called The Countenance Divine (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01ARXVU30/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1) by Michael Hughes

Colour me intrigued.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on May 09, 2016, 12:39:29 PM
Whoa. Gotta love and hate that. It's always really sad when a book has a to-die-for cover but doesn't live up to the built up hype. That's what happened for me with Sorcerer To The Crown.

But I think you should include that cover in this topic, because I want it for references : http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-book-discussion/gorgeous-sff-book-covers!/
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Elfy on May 09, 2016, 10:32:25 PM
Dis book tho?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChwoCl8U4AAGJLC.jpg)

How gorgeous is that.

It's called The Countenance Divine (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01ARXVU30/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1) by Michael Hughes

Colour me intrigued.
Yep, that's the sort of cover that would make me buy the book on the strength of it alone.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on May 11, 2016, 10:36:09 AM
Just got another freebie from Goodreads 'Apothecary Melchior and the Mystery of St Olaf's Church' 15th Century Estonian historical fiction
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on May 11, 2016, 02:55:39 PM
Just got another freebie from Goodreads 'Apothecary Melchior and the Mystery of St Olaf's Church' 15th Century Estonian historical fiction
Come back and tell us what you thought when you have a chance to read it ;D


Was I dreaming? I swear I read an article on the main site this morning, by Leo Cristea, about imagining gay characters in existing Fantasy books, it was quite interesting and all.
It's not there anymore, I wonder what happened.
(@Overlord (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1)?)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on May 11, 2016, 04:58:41 PM
Just got another freebie from Goodreads 'Apothecary Melchior and the Mystery of St Olaf's Church' 15th Century Estonian historical fiction
Come back and tell us what you thought when you have a chance to read it ;D


Was I dreaming? I swear I read an article on the main site this morning, by Leo Cristea, about imagining gay characters in existing Fantasy books, it was quite interesting and all.
It's not there anymore, I wonder what happened.
(@Overlord (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1)?)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/jMusG7sxBqCze/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on May 13, 2016, 03:33:14 PM
This thread should be about musing on books, discussion on the article should be moved to one one of the LGBT topics.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on May 13, 2016, 03:57:57 PM
@xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148), @Arry (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8809), can one of you please do the moving to this thread (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-book-discussion/lgbt-fantasy/)?
Thanks
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on May 13, 2016, 04:40:19 PM
In that thread there is a post by me listing books which feature LBGT characters recommended from fantasy faction members, I don't won't it to get lost as from time to time people ask for fantasy books with LGBT characters in their fantasy reads could you stick it up the top with giant women database or something thank you.

And why do people forget that @Elfy (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1153) is a mod too,his so underappreciated lol
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on May 13, 2016, 05:29:53 PM
And why do people forget that @Elfy (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1153) is a mod too,his so underappreciated lol
Aww I do forget, you're right :-[
(sorry Elfy!!!)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on May 13, 2016, 05:30:53 PM
We love Elfy!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Arry on May 13, 2016, 05:51:13 PM
@xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148), @Arry (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8809), can one of you please do the moving to this thread (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-book-discussion/lgbt-fantasy/)?
Thanks

K. I moved most of the posts over. Left the original one I noticed because it also mentioned a book.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Elfy on May 14, 2016, 01:47:31 AM
We love Elfy!
Love you too, @Eclipse (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9661)!  ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: m3mnoch on May 14, 2016, 02:00:34 AM
We love Elfy!
Love you too, @Eclipse (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9661)!  ;)

awwww...  ALL THE LOVES!!!!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on May 16, 2016, 08:54:34 AM
Having bought a copy of Sharp Ends at Joes Bristol signing I have just got another from good reads.

A strange position having a surplas of Abercrombie.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on May 16, 2016, 09:49:01 AM
Damn it Rostum let me win in goodreads!

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on May 16, 2016, 10:35:55 AM
Having bought a copy of Sharp Ends at Joes Bristol signing I have just got another from good reads.

A strange position having a surplas of Abercrombie.
You could offer it here, at postage cost (I'm not personally interested) :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on May 16, 2016, 12:25:02 PM
Quote
You could offer it here, at postage cost (I'm not personally interested) :)

I could but will wait to see what I get the last Abercrombie book I won was a proof. If it is signed I may donate it to one of the charity book auctions or put it aside for the sprog.
and 'Apothecary Melchior and the Mystery of St Olaf's Church' arrived in the post this morning bad top cut on the book may be why it was offered as a giveaway. Not really damaged but if there were 6 on the shelves you wouldnt buy that copy.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on May 16, 2016, 12:53:19 PM
Oh right, I thought you'd already received it in the post.
Makes sense :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on May 16, 2016, 01:05:51 PM
You get an email telling you to expect a book in the next 4-6 weeks. It's usually quicker.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: m3mnoch on May 18, 2016, 06:32:23 PM
whoa.  just saw this collection of short stories mentioned today.

unbound, edited by shawn speakman:
https://www.amazon.com/Unbound-Shawn-Speakman-ebook/dp/B0167S4L5S

holy author collection, batman.

Quote

Here is the line-up:

- Small Kindnesses by Joe Abercrombie (Shev & Javre)
- An Unfortunate Influx of Filipians by Terry Brooks (Landover)
- Mr. Island by Kristen Britain
- Jury Duty by Jim Butcher (Dresden Files)
- Madwalls by Rachel Caine
- The Way Into Oblivion by Harry Connolly
- Uncharming by Delilah Dawson
- All In a Night’s Work by David Anthony Durham
- Son of Crimea by Jason M. Hough (Zero World)
- Dichotomy of Paradigms by Mary Robinette Kowal
- A Good Name by Mark Lawrence (Broken Empire)
- River and Echo by John Marco
- Seven Tongues by Tim Marquitz
- The Siege of Tilpur by Brian McClellan (Powder Mage)
- Fiber by Seanan McGuire
- Stories Are Gods by Peter Orullian (Vault of Heaven)
- Heart’s Desire by Kat Richardson
- The Hall of the Diamond Queen by Anthony Ryan (Raven's Shadow)
- The Dead’s Revenant by Shawn Speakman (Annwn Cycle)
- The Farmboy Prince by Brian Staveley
- The Game by Michael J. Sullivan
- The Ethical Heresy by Sam Sykes
- The Rat by Mazarkis Williams

Title: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: xiagan on May 18, 2016, 06:35:59 PM
Newbie. ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on May 19, 2016, 01:35:23 AM
@m3mnoch (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40419) there is a similar earlier anthology called Unfettered also edited by Shaun Speakman which was the best fantasy anthology I've ever read.

I searched for Unbound on audible, but that only introduced me to yet more erotica. Sigh........
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on May 19, 2016, 11:04:04 AM
I enjoted Unfettered but there were a couple of Tales that didnt work for me and one that was possibly the best short story I have read.

My Goodreads copy of Sharp ends arrived today. I have a terrible problem every time I get all my Joe Abercrombie books signed I win another one.  ;D ;D ;D ;D (ok so its only happened twice)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on May 19, 2016, 11:21:57 AM
*mumble mumble*

 ;D well done, anyway
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on May 19, 2016, 11:27:28 AM
@m3mnoch (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40419) there is a similar earlier anthology called Unfettered also edited by Shaun Speakman which was the best fantasy anthology I've ever read.

I searched for Unbound on audible, but that only introduced me to yet more erotica. Sigh........

Awkwarrrrrrrrd. Can you imagine being the voice actor for "Unwrapped: The Candyland Diaries"?
Subtitled: There's a sucker born every minute.  :o
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: m3mnoch on May 19, 2016, 03:10:41 PM
@m3mnoch (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40419) there is a similar earlier anthology called Unfettered also edited by Shaun Speakman which was the best fantasy anthology I've ever read.

I searched for Unbound on audible, but that only introduced me to yet more erotica. Sigh........

Awkwarrrrrrrrd. Can you imagine being the voice actor for "Unwrapped: The Candyland Diaries"?
Subtitled: There's a sucker born every minute.  :o

or "Unhorsed: Riding is Hard"

or "Underhanded: Morals are for the Limp"

or "Unannounced: Sprung on Him Again"

jmack -- i think we're on to something here.  @Lady_Ty (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=31869) should probably search audible for all those titles too.  you know, just in case.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on May 19, 2016, 08:17:51 PM
Ok Unfettered is an anthology that is very cool. As a collection of stories I have read better but It has some gems in there.

The reason it is so cool is all those authors donated their stories after Shaun was diagnosed with cancer for second time. Being American of this is either bankruptsy or death or possibly backruptsy then death as the medical insurance had already paid for one cancer they were not obligated to pay for a second (you need to sort this shit out) so a lot of people gave time, stories and editing to make unfettered happen. Shaun is not dead or bunkrupt and has published since.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on May 19, 2016, 11:07:05 PM
Go search for yourselves, not sharing my secret vices. ;D

Do you think we could could start a sticky thread just called Anthologies?  A lot of us like a short story alternative and there are several around that get mentioned in different threads. It may be useful to have it for reference. None as good as the writing contest of course, that will always reign supreme.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on May 21, 2016, 03:19:58 PM
Hmm this thread seems to have a lot of posts about my (lack of) self-control at the library ;D
I went there earlier just to return 2 books.
Just to return.
Yep, you guessed.
I brought back Hunter's Kind (Rebecca Levene, I enjoyed book 1) and Emperor's blades (Brian Staveley, because it gets mentioned a lot on F-F)
 ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on May 21, 2016, 06:41:58 PM
Hmm this thread seems to have a lot of posts about my (lack of) self-control at the library ;D
I went there earlier just to return 2 books.
Just to return.
Yep, you guessed.
I brought back Hunter's Kind (Rebecca Levene, I enjoyed book 1) and Emperor's blades (Brian Staveley, because it gets mentioned a lot on F-F)
 ;D

I have quite mixed thoughts on Emperor's Blades (aside from the ridiculously irrelevant title). Much much that I liked, and a bunch I didn't. Still, I liked it enough to go on to the second, and the third is in my TBR.

Will be interested in your thoughts.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Peat on May 21, 2016, 11:48:11 PM
I read the free chapters on Tor for Emperor's Blades and was half "This is pretty cool" and half comatose snoring. Which is odd. I'll be listening out for the Bea's thoughts.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Alex Hormann on May 21, 2016, 11:53:42 PM
I thought The Emperor's Blades was decent. Think I gave it 3/5. But it was overhyped and just too similar to other things I was reading at the time. Never picked up the sequels. Having said that, I might try the  standalone prequel next year and then get books 2 and 3 if it's better than Emperor's Blades.
Title: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: xiagan on May 22, 2016, 08:22:18 AM
Our @Arry recently posted an article about character development in the Emperor's Blades on tor.com.
It's full of spoilers so maybe only read it when you've already read the books. ;)

-> http://www.tor.com/2016/05/16/masters-level-character-development-in-brian-staveleys-chronicle-of-the-unhewn-throne/
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Arry on May 23, 2016, 06:58:27 PM
Our @Arry (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8809) recently posted an article about character development in the Emperor's Blades on tor.com.
It's full of spoilers so maybe only read it when you've already read the books. ;)

-> http://www.tor.com/2016/05/16/masters-level-character-development-in-brian-staveleys-chronicle-of-the-unhewn-throne/

Heh .... yeah, I wrote some words (lots of words) on how the characters evolved through the series. Definitely has spoilers for the series as it was hard to talk about any other way. 

I was definitely pretty excited to get to write something for Tor.com though.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on May 23, 2016, 07:06:03 PM
Well done :D
I'll leave it to read later then, I don't like spoilers hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on May 27, 2016, 06:38:24 PM
Spent a little time in Foyles Char Cross Road Book-store yesterday, very impressive.

Now at home with shiny new books  ;D

The Rook by Daniel O' Malley

The body you are wearing used to be mine." So begins the letter Myfanwy Thomas is holding when she awakes in a London park surrounded by bodies all wearing latex gloves. With no recollection of who she is, Myfanwy must follow the instructions her former self left behind to discover her identity and track down the agents who want to destroy her.

She soon learns that she is a Rook, a high-ranking member of a secret organization called the Chequy that battles the many supernatural forces at work in Britain. She also discovers that she possesses a rare, potentially deadly supernatural ability of her own.

In her quest to uncover which member of the Chequy betrayed her and why, Myfanwy encounters a person with four bodies, an aristocratic woman who can enter her dreams, a secret training facility where children are transformed into deadly fighters, and a conspiracy more vast than she ever could have imagined.

Filled with characters both fascinating and fantastical, The Rook is a richly inventive, suspenseful, and often wry thriller that marks an ambitious debut from a promising young writer.

Darkwalker by E.L Tettensor

Some guy called Dr. Chill left a review

    “In the dark hours of a frostbitten morning, someone is digging.”



Sometimes you need a comfortable read, a story with characters you’ve read multiple times, set in a land that’s not too strange or different. Sometimes you just need something that you’ve been to before, something you know from the very first page. Darkwalker by E.L. Tettensor is one of those books for me; a novel that’s not doing anything new, but at the same time not following the standard tropes of either the Fantasy or Mystery genres.

It’s a lovely tale full of atmosphere, brilliant characterization, and tight plotting. To be frank, I’m surprised there isn’t more praise for her debut.

Maybe that’s because the cover makes it seem like the protagonist is going to be a moody anti-hero like in most love triangles. Or maybe it’s because the blurb makes it out to be a Sherlock Holmes mystery. It is both of these, but to throw them under stereotypical labels would be doing Tettensor’s writing an injustice.

Bodies are going missing. Corpses are being dug up from their graves. Nicolas Lenoir, the Inspector on the case, doesn’t see much stock in catching gravediggers. He’s a disillusioned and broken man who would prefer to drift through life rather than solve its riddles. The man fights his little battles with his partner, Sergeant Kody, and the local townsfolk. When he wants to become somewhat productive, he garners information (and dishes it out, too) from a street urchin named Zach.

But when the kid goes missing, Lenoir starts to worry. A switch flips in his head. The once famous Inspector returns, and prepares to find the kid at any cost. Even if that price is his own life.

    “There was a strange roaring in his ears, a sound distantly and unpleasantly familiar, like a bad dream. A dream about a night spent huddled in the shadows, listening to the blood rushing through his veins and praying or daylight.”



This story is thrown in the pile of Urban Fantasy, but in actuality, there’s often times more excitement outside of the Victorian-esque city, in the surrounding Five Villages. What Tettensor does best is create a strong and vivid atmosphere. The fog of the outlying areas seems to float off the page and grasp your imagination along every chapter. It’s a beautifully realized tone with flowing descriptions that never try too hard and never get in the way of the story.

At its heart, it’s a simple Victorian-esque world dotted with salons, cramped tenements, bogs and fog, and Inspectors. But Tettensor peppers the world-building with giant gypsies and dark magic creeping alongside the mist. She doesn’t try to recreate the wheel; she simply adds onto what we already know.

A comfortable and fun read, as I said.

And while Lenoir can be a jerk, from the very first back and forth you can feel as if you understand why he’s always miserable. Of course, that mystery is teased across the narrative, but from the author’s magnificent characterization, it actually feels original and organic. Too many times we get the asshole with a dark and dreary past. Lenoir has this in spades, but it never feels forced.

It’s wonderful.

    “I speak of consequence. Of judgment. Not the judgment of mankind, but of something higher, more powerful. We are all called to account for our actions, called to pay for what we have done. You cannot escape it – fate will have its vengeance.”



Other well-fleshed characters dot the landscape like the Adali woman Zera who’s doing her best to keep an established salon running while rumors of nastier occupations from her run amok. She may have status and influence, but she’s still paranoid.

There’s also Bran Kody, a nice foil to Lenoir. He’s a chipper young lad under the supervision of Lenoir. While the protagonist is cynical to his core, Sergeant Kody is dead set on solving every mystery, turning over every clue. He’s what Lenoir once was, and that’s why he hates the young man.

And then there’s Zach. He’s the little runt wishing for greater things (as most children do) and found a friend in Lenoir. I think the greatest POV was from this urchin. Tettensor does a fabulous job of contrasting Zach’s innocence with his street smarts; whether it be when he prays for Lenoir to bust in and save him guns a blazing, or the next minute when he’s trying to save himself, the kid takes center stage alongside Lenoir.

And from this strong characterization and atmosphere, we get an immersive tale improved upon by an amazing plot. The twists come fast and hard, and once the beginning picks up, you’re in for a wild ride. Neither of the investigators lets up, and thus we’re running from prison to gypsy camps to apartments where we threaten meat heads. Every scene is wonderfully realized and easy to see. All the dots line up perfectly, even if they don’t seem able to in the middle.

While I may have had trouble with the ending, wishing it had ended a bit darker, this story still revolves around justice.

The main man to dish this out is the Darkwalker.

This is where the supernatural elements come in.

The Darkwalker is a being driven to avenge the dead and kill anyone who wrongs them. Some call it a demon; others, a righteous angel. Few believe it actually exists, and fewer have ever lived to see it. The thing is so fascinating, ethereal, and dangerous. Whenever it steps in, all focus is on it.

And that’s fine by me.

I’ll be waiting for the next chance to meet it, and maybe address some of Lenoir’s past, too.

    “No, justice was not blind. She was a prostitute, for sale to the highest bidder.”

Snake Agent by Liz Williams

Detective Inspector Chen is the Singapore Three police department's snake agent - the detective in charge of supernatural and mystical investigations. Chen has several problems: in addition to colleagues who don't trust him and his mystical ways, a patron goddess whom he has offended and a demonic wife who's tired of staying home alone, he's been paired with one of Hell's own vice officers, Seneschal Zhu Irzh, to investigate the illegal trade in souls. Political pressures both Earthly and otherworldly seek to block their investigations at every turn. As a plot involving both Singapore Three's industrial elite and Hell's own Ministry of Epidemics is revealed, it becomes apparent that the stakes are higher than anyone had previously suspected.

Dead Things by Stephen Blackmoore

Necromancer is such an ugly word, but it's a title Eric Carter is stuck with.

He sees ghosts, talks to the dead. He’s turned it into a lucrative career putting troublesome spirits to rest, sometimes taking on even more dangerous things. For a fee, of course.

When he left L.A. fifteen years ago he thought he’d never go back. Too many bad memories. Too many people trying to kill him.

But now his sister’s been brutally murdered and Carter wants to find out why.

Was it the gangster looking to settle a score? The ghost of a mage he killed the night he left town? Maybe it’s the patron saint of violent death herself, Santa Muerte, who’s taken an unusually keen interest in him.

Carter’s going to find out who did it and he’s going to make them pay.

As long as they don’t kill him first.

Burned by Benedict Jacka, Just carrying on with this series

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on May 27, 2016, 10:07:32 PM
Even though I wouldn't buy any of the books you got, hehe, I'm happy for you: buying books is a great feeling, right?
Maybe I'll get some tomorrow, cheer me up :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on May 27, 2016, 10:19:10 PM
Buy Books!

I didn't realise there were all UF until I typed them down  :o ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on May 28, 2016, 02:44:53 AM
For anyone who hasn't voted yet the Fantasy-Faction Favorite Main Protagonist battle is now at the Final stage with Locke LLamora vs Tyrion Landis terms as your final match up.   


 http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-faction-book-battles/ffbb-favourite-main-protagonist-final-locke-lamora-vs-tyrion-lannister/ (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-faction-book-battles/ffbb-favourite-main-protagonist-final-locke-lamora-vs-tyrion-lannister/)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on May 28, 2016, 05:35:33 PM
What did I say? I totally went into 'shopping therapy mode' today, directed towards books when I found myself looking at clothes I really didn't need.
I bought 3:

Dragon keeper, Robin Hobb (Rain Wild Chronicles book 1) - the other day I bought 3 because it was on a cheaper price, so I decided it's time to get this series now

The boy with the porcelain blade, Den Patrick (Erebus Sequence book 1) - it's been on my list for quite a while, and since I (hopefully) will meet him in Birmingham in July at the Jen thing, better read sooner than later

The crown tower, Michael J Sullivan (Riyria Chronicles book 1) - about time right? especially since I enjoyed Revelations so much

 :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on June 04, 2016, 03:49:15 AM
What an intriguing idea, but how frustrating for so many of us here as we'll never ever know what those books were like. Maybe life prolonging science will help before then and a few of us reading this will find out. Otherwise something to keep in memory somewhere and tell your kids or grandkids to look out for one day. Will be interesting to see who else is selected to add to this archive.

I sincerely hope that beautiful library does eventuate after 2114 and is enjoyed.


https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/may/30/david-mitchell-buries-latest-manuscript-for-a-hundred-years
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on June 04, 2016, 10:56:52 AM
What an intriguing idea, but how frustrating for so many of us here as we'll never ever know what those books were like. Maybe life prolonging science will help before then and a few of us reading this will find out. Otherwise something to keep in memory somewhere and tell your kids or grandkids to look out for one day. Will be interesting to see who else is selected to add to this archive.

I sincerely hope that beautiful library does eventuate after 2114 and is enjoyed.


https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/may/30/david-mitchell-buries-latest-manuscript-for-a-hundred-years
David Mitchell is exactly the sort of person I'd expect to do something like this. Didn't Neil Gaiman do something similar once? Or am I mis-remembering?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on June 04, 2016, 06:49:19 PM
Oh, and I bought another book, Rain Wild Chronicles 2 - now I have 1-3, and number 4 with the new cover comes out at the end of June, so right on time.
I'm also going to buy Newman's The Malice now.
I feel I'm building a nest for my hospital+recovery period hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nighteyes on June 04, 2016, 07:45:33 PM
Oh, and I bought another book, Rain Wild Chronicles 2 - now I have 1-3, and number 4 with the new cover comes out at the end of June, so right on time.
I'm also going to buy Newman's The Malice now.
I feel I'm building a nest for my hospital+recovery period hehe

Gotta love a nest. I am building up graphic novels at the moment.Saga, Corto Maltese, Preacher and Grant Morrison's run on the X-Men.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on June 04, 2016, 07:49:06 PM
Oh, and I bought another book, Rain Wild Chronicles 2 - now I have 1-3, and number 4 with the new cover comes out at the end of June, so right on time.
I'm also going to buy Newman's The Malice now.
I feel I'm building a nest for my hospital+recovery period hehe
An excellent idea I'd say + you can tell me what you thought of it. ;) I'm quite intrigued by that book.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on June 05, 2016, 06:22:08 AM

David Mitchell is exactly the sort of person I'd expect to do something like this. Didn't Neil Gaiman do something similar once? Or am I mis-remembering?

Don't know anything similar about Neil Gaiman, but maybe he will be included in  the future. Wish Iain Banks could have been around to write.

Who else should be included ?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: DrNefario on June 05, 2016, 10:28:03 AM
Imagine having a brand-new HG Wells or Arthur Conan Doyle to read now.

Honestly, I don't find the idea that exciting.

In a hundred years, they'll surely have their own favourites to be thinking about. Or they'll be in motorcycle gangs battling it out in a radioactive desert. Either way I don't think they'll care much.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on June 25, 2016, 10:23:39 AM
10th Anniversary Hardback Editions from Gollancz of The Lies of Locke Lamora, The Blade Itself, The Final Empire and The Stormcaller.

(http://www.gollancz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Blade-Itself.jpg)(http://www.gollancz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Lies-of-Locke-Lamora.jpg)
(http://www.gollancz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Final-Empire.jpg)(http://www.gollancz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Stormcaller.jpg)

http://www.gollancz.co.uk/2016/06/cover-reveal-the-10th-anniversary-editions/
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on June 25, 2016, 10:31:20 AM
I think they're lovely, but I still prefer the ones I've read.

These almost seem like fantasy covers for people who don't read fantasy, no?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on June 25, 2016, 10:32:21 AM
I think they're lovely, but I still prefer the ones I've read.

These almost seem like fantasy covers for people who don't read fantasy, no?
Hmm idk, the Sanderson one is pretty nice, and Scott Lynch has so many good covers already its hard to compete, but that's a nice one too.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on June 25, 2016, 11:14:07 AM
I think they're lovely, but I still prefer the ones I've read.

These almost seem like fantasy covers for people who don't read fantasy, no?
Hmm idk, the Sanderson one is pretty nice, and Scott Lynch has so many good covers already its hard to compete, but that's a nice one too.

They're nice. Which for me is damning with faint praise. My main problem is that they are completely generic. I wonder if the artist ever read the books or even new anything beyond the title.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: sennydreadful on June 25, 2016, 09:54:14 PM
The Lies of Locke Lamora one is lovely.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Elfy on June 26, 2016, 01:55:46 AM
10th Anniversary Hardback Editions from Gollancz of The Lies of Locke Lamora, The Blade Itself, The Final Empire and The Stormcaller.

(http://www.gollancz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Blade-Itself.jpg)(http://www.gollancz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Lies-of-Locke-Lamora.jpg)
(http://www.gollancz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Final-Empire.jpg)(http://www.gollancz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Stormcaller.jpg)

http://www.gollancz.co.uk/2016/06/cover-reveal-the-10th-anniversary-editions/
Can't beat the original UK covers for Abercrombie, and I'm not keen on the Lies one, but then again my favourite Lies cover is the US mmpb, which everyone else hates. However mine is signed by the author, so it now doesn't get read. I had to buy a new copy to read.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on June 26, 2016, 08:26:42 AM
my favourite Lies cover is the US mmpb, which everyone else hates. However mine is signed by the author, so it now doesn't get read. I had to buy a new copy to read.
You don't read your signed books?? Why? Do you destroy books by reading? ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Elfy on June 26, 2016, 08:44:33 AM
my favourite Lies cover is the US mmpb, which everyone else hates. However mine is signed by the author, so it now doesn't get read. I had to buy a new copy to read.
You don't read your signed books?? Why? Do you destroy books by reading? ;D
I read most of them, but that one is an mmpb copy that has been read 16 times and travelled from Australia to Europe, back to Australia and then to England and back again. It has a personalisation by Scott that I couldn't get anywhere else because it references a conversation at Worldcon 2014 and the last time I read it, the book showed the signs of wear and tear. It's best that I have a separate copy for reading and throwing in my bag to read at work and take around with me (I never go anywhere without a book to read). I take pretty good care of my books overall. I loaned one to a friend once and he asked me if I'd actually read it because it was in such good condition.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lejays17 on June 30, 2016, 11:04:06 AM
my favourite Lies cover is the US mmpb, which everyone else hates. However mine is signed by the author, so it now doesn't get read. I had to buy a new copy to read.
You don't read your signed books?? Why? Do you destroy books by reading? ;D

Imagine Gollum whispering "My Precioussss" over and over again, and that's almost how Elfy is about this book  :)

A lot of our books look like they've never been read, but they've been read at least twice (once by each of us), and quite a lot more than that - I'm a big re-reader, and Elfy is re-reading a bit nowadays too.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on July 01, 2016, 06:28:49 PM
For all the Shakespeare fans out there who wants to know how he would cope with Cthulhu

Shakespeare Vs. Cthulhu

https://www.moorereppion.com/shakespeare-vs-cthulhu-pre-order/
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on July 01, 2016, 06:41:48 PM
For all the Shakespeare fans out there who wants to know how he would cope with Cthulhu

Shakespeare Vs. Cthulhu

https://www.moorereppion.com/shakespeare-vs-cthulhu-pre-order/

OMG.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: night_wrtr on July 01, 2016, 07:33:01 PM
For all the Shakespeare fans out there who wants to know how he would cope with Cthulhu

Shakespeare Vs. Cthulhu

https://www.moorereppion.com/shakespeare-vs-cthulhu-pre-order/

I believe this calls for the shut up and take my money meme:
(http://www.jamspreader.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney-400x227.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on July 12, 2016, 01:59:12 PM
For those that don't journey down to the lower portion of the forum, the Favorite Antagonist Book Battle is now live.  We have 32 antagonists participating in this battle and the first eight matchups are up.

http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-faction-book-battles/fantasy-faction-book-battles-favorite-antagonist-bracket-discussion/ (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-faction-book-battles/fantasy-faction-book-battles-favorite-antagonist-bracket-discussion/)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on July 24, 2016, 07:06:29 AM
You know the kindle/ebooks deals, where for a day or so certain titles are really cheap?
Why can't they do the same for paperbacks?
Amazon and Waterstone's would advertise a book at £2/3 on that day, for example.
Doesn't it work because of delivery charges?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nighteyes on July 24, 2016, 09:06:41 AM
You know the kindle/ebooks deals, where for a day or so certain titles are really cheap?
Why can't they do the same for paperbacks?
Amazon and Waterstone's would advertise a book at £2/3 on that day, for example.
Doesn't it work because of delivery charges?

I think because effectively e-books cost nothing to produce. They are just data. (I know there are some expenses like royalties etc) but effectively a publisher won't make much of a loss selling them for 99p for a day or month whilst they would with physical books. Also Waterstones are not competing on price, they simply can't do it. If you want cheap paperbacks you go shopping in a supermarket or an online seller like book people or amazon. When you shop in Waterstones, you shop there for the experience. Knowledgeable staff that recommend books, a coffeee while you browse etc. @Nestat (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6540) will be able to tell you more.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on July 24, 2016, 09:42:45 AM
Yeah, you do have a point.
I do try to support the actual physical Waterstone's shop as much as possible, that's why even when I buy online I always use the 'click and collect' because that shows up as the shop's sales and not online (and I get the stamp ;D).
They usually match Amazon prices too, although lately it seems that both places aren't doing as many discounts as before.

(and 'cheap physical book places' never have much fantasy anyway hehe)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Raptori on July 24, 2016, 11:11:59 AM
I think because effectively e-books cost nothing to produce. They are just data. (I know there are some expenses like royalties etc) but effectively a publisher won't make much of a loss selling them for 99p for a day or month whilst they would with physical books. Also Waterstones are not competing on price, they simply can't do it. If you want cheap paperbacks you go shopping in a supermarket or an online seller like book people or amazon. When you shop in Waterstones, you shop there for the experience. Knowledgeable staff that recommend books, a coffeee while you browse etc. @Nestat (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6540) will be able to tell you more.
From what I've read, in a big print run the physical printing of paperbacks costs less than a dollar per book. Hardcovers cost only a little more.

Most of the costs associated with producing a book come before printing (or copying for an ebook): acquisitions, editing, cover design, layout, marketing, and so on. Those costs are more or less the same for ebooks or paper books, and from a business perspective ebooks are in no way exempt from covering those costs simply because they lack one of the expenses associated with physical books.

That's not to say that paperbacks could or should be discounted to the same low prices as ebooks, just that they could easily be discounted to a much greater degree than I've seen!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on July 25, 2016, 06:51:42 PM
I bought the last book and now I finally have the 4 Rain Wild Chronicles (with the new covers)!
Aren't they lovely?
(https://images.contentreserve.com/ImageType-400/0292-1/35E/6DD/6C/%7B35E6DD6C-FAC3-4BC5-A554-6CE44E6D2ADE%7DImg400.jpg)

And looking around the bookshop for something cheap to add up to £10 so I could have a stamp in my loyalty card, I saw these Mr Men bookmarks.
I got Mr Happy ;D

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/130718679566-0-1/s-l1000.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on August 05, 2016, 06:15:57 AM
Why is it that the vast majority of writers I've read on their bios  seem to have had about 50 different jobs and none of them similar to one another is it restless energy? How can you  jump to being a cooks assistant then floral assistant then private detective receptionist for example. I just find it fascinating watching the writer species :-) also there all seem to have pets to keep them sane I think.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: xiagan on August 05, 2016, 09:26:59 AM
Why is it that the vast majority of writers I've read on their bios  seem to have had about 50 different jobs and none of them similar to one another is it restless energy? How can you  jump to being a cooks assistant then floral assistant then private detective receptionist for example. I just find it fascinating watching the writer species :-) also there all seem to have pets to keep them sane I think.
I think this is only true for American writers? To me it seems like it's more an American and not a writer thing, because if you check the bios of actors or musicians, they tend to be the same.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on August 05, 2016, 10:11:55 AM
Yes, and maybe it's stuff they've done for a few months as a summer job when they were really young. Maybe americans think that is a big plus, although for me it's totally irrelevant on a writer's bio.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on August 05, 2016, 05:43:45 PM
Hmm idk I've seen plenty of authors in general have scatterbrained jobs, but loads of people & not just authors have had a lot of random things too. And yes it also puzzles me how they manage to make that jump.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: tebakutis on August 05, 2016, 06:12:13 PM
Why is it that the vast majority of writers I've read on their bios  seem to have had about 50 different jobs and none of them similar to one another is it restless energy? How can you  jump to being a cooks assistant then floral assistant then private detective receptionist for example. I just find it fascinating watching the writer species :-) also there all seem to have pets to keep them sane I think.

I have to admit that's strange, but I haven't seen it. Which writers are you referring to in particular? I can totally accept that a writer here or there probably had a ton of jobs, but I'm not sure if it's necessarily a "writer" thing to work at a bunch of places in succession.

Now I'm curious who you're talking about so I can go Google their job history.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on August 05, 2016, 06:57:51 PM
I'm guessing creative types can't stand still and have to move on  :)


There's quite a few writers I've seen have lot's of jobs but I posted after reading about

Joanne Fluke

While pursuing her writing career, Joanne has worked as: a public school teacher, a psychologist, a musician, a private detective's assistant, a corporate, legal, and pharmaceutical secretary, a short order cook, a florist's assistant, a caterer and party planner, a computer consultant on a now-defunct operating system, a production assistant on a TV quiz show, half of a screenwriting team with her husband, and a mother, wife, and homemaker.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on August 05, 2016, 08:03:37 PM
Anyone read or heard of Smoke  (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27169760-smoke)by Dan Vyleta?

It sounds intriguing but I've heard mixed reactions.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on August 14, 2016, 07:34:22 PM
Isn't it brilliant when a book comes in the post, I ordered a second hand book its turned up as an old library book from America for 5 pounds for book and shipping. I didn't realise it was a limited edition hardback and it cost 49 American dollars brand new.

It came from mendenhall valley library wonder what the area is like?

How far afield have you had a book from? I had one from Japan with Japanese stamp on the parcel that was cool
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on August 14, 2016, 07:55:39 PM
Yes, that's cool :)
I don't think I ever bought books from far away, I always try to reduce my 'airmiles' hehe

Edit: there are some books I'd like that are only published in the US, but I wouldn't buy them from there. I feel that it's not really worth it, when the UK has so many books I haven't read yet hehe
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Peat on August 14, 2016, 08:50:16 PM
Isn't it brilliant when a book comes in the post, I ordered a second hand book its turned up as an old library book from America for 5 pounds for book and shipping. I didn't realise it was a limited edition hardback and it cost 49 American dollars brand new.

It came from mendenhall valley library wonder what the area is like?

How far afield have you had a book from? I had one from Japan with Japanese stamp on the parcel that was cool

Google says that's in Alaska.

I occasionally get a book from the States if I can't get it here. Academia only as a rule. Never from further afield though.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on August 15, 2016, 02:07:07 PM
As if I didn't have enough unread at home... ::)

I just walked past Waterstone's and there were actually good books in the Buy 1 get 1 Half Price: got N.K.Jemisin's The fifth season and Aliette de Bodard's The house of shattered wings (Mr. J convinced me in the other thread hehe)

Still using the gift card you guys gave me ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on August 15, 2016, 06:31:14 PM
As if I didn't have enough unread at home... ::)

I just walked past Waterstone's and there were actually good books in the Buy 1 get 1 Half Price: got N.K.Jemisin's The fifth season and Aliette de Bodard's The house of shattered wings (Mr. J convinced me in the other thread hehe)

Still using the gift card you guys gave me ;D
Aha! I hope you like it, might take a while to fully get your head around what's going on, but its worth sticking with as it all expands and explains itself as it barrels along.

And I really need to get round to The Fifth Season. Too many damn books to read!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on August 16, 2016, 10:05:53 AM
I bought a book 2. After reading book 1, I'm not that interested in continuing. Book 2 hasn't even been opened, it looks perfect. I can't find the receipt, though.
I'm still thinking of going to the shop and say that was a present and can I exchange it please... bad of me?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on August 16, 2016, 10:35:54 AM
No but you have got me wondering what the name of the book is.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: night_wrtr on August 16, 2016, 02:17:42 PM
I bought a book 2. After reading book 1, I'm not that interested in continuing. Book 2 hasn't even been opened, it looks perfect. I can't find the receipt, though.
I'm still thinking of going to the shop and say that was a present and can I exchange it please... bad of me?

Do. It.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on August 16, 2016, 03:46:24 PM
Ok, I'll go to the shop tomorrow morning then - thanks :)

Eclipse, it's Den Patrick's book 2 :-\ I'm afraid they're not really for me, and since book 1 was pretty much self-contained, that's enough.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on August 17, 2016, 01:03:28 PM
It worked, they raised no issues at all :D

One less Boy who wept blood, one plus Wee Free Men...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on August 20, 2016, 10:51:25 PM
Sorry you were not taken with the Erebus sequence. I really enjoyed all three books and they are each very different. I am guessing my comments on here encouraged you to give it a go. The boy who wept blood focuses on Dino and has a really powerful opening chapter and stays strong all the way through. The Wee Free Men is a fantastic read and as a series are great as Tiff grows up and the world she lives in expands through the books.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on August 21, 2016, 09:55:43 AM
Rostum, maybe it was a question of 'right book at wrong time' - the whole "experiment on bodies resulting in deformed people" hit me in ways I can't put in words right now :-\
So yes, I think the exchange will come in my favour now.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on August 26, 2016, 08:24:59 PM
I Think you will enjoy Wee free Men and the whole Tiffany Aching series.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on August 29, 2016, 02:21:07 PM
Friendly reminder for those who do not journey to the other parts of the forum.  In the Fantasy-Faction Book Battle area we currently have two activities going on.  The first is the Final for Favorite Antagonist which is between Cersei Lannister and Dolores Umbridge (picture them meeting each other).  The poll for that was just posted and will run for the next week.  In addition to that we're currently taking nominations for the next battle which will be Favorite Sidekick. 

If you haven't done so already head down to the Book Battle area to place your vote and to submit your nominations.

http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-faction-book-battles/ (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-faction-book-battles/)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Peat on August 29, 2016, 02:46:09 PM
I've got back into reading in a big way recently and have been surprised at just how impatient I am with books these days. I'm putting down more books than I finish and often struggling to get past openings. I'm not sure whether I've spent too much time looking at the mechanics of writing, or I'm picking library books badly, or I was always this picky and had forgotten, or what.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on August 29, 2016, 02:59:25 PM
You not picking the right book for you , why not ask for a recommendation from someone who enjoys the same as you, I think there might be a few here.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Peat on August 29, 2016, 03:16:52 PM
You not picking the right book for you , why not ask for a recommendation from someone who enjoys the same as you, I think there might be a few here.

I have a metric buttload of recommendations to work through - not that this is much use when I'm at the library and they have none of them and purchasing new books isn't an option right now.

Also two of the books I struggled to get by are in series that are big favourites of mine so it might be running deeper than picking the wrong books.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on August 29, 2016, 03:19:58 PM
Try something non-fantasy (shocking) ;-)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Peat on August 29, 2016, 03:34:27 PM
Try something non-fantasy (shocking) ;-)

My last twelve take homes from the library contain only three fantasy books.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on August 29, 2016, 03:36:18 PM
That's where you going wrong :-)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: tebakutis on August 29, 2016, 03:37:04 PM
Try something non-fantasy (shocking) ;-)

Seconding this. I've started doing this more and more often, trying to read books outside my comfort zone. For instance, I read the first few Jack Reacher books and loved them, even though I'm usually not a thriller/mystery reader. As a bonus, I'm almost certain reading those and absorbing the way they're written and flow made my current military sci-fi/thriller that much better.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: m3mnoch on August 29, 2016, 03:42:07 PM
Try something non-fantasy (shocking) ;-)

Seconding this. I've started doing this more and more often, trying to read books outside my comfort zone. For instance, I read the first few Jack Reacher books and loved them, even though I'm usually not a thriller/mystery reader. As a bonus, I'm almost certain reading those and absorbing the way they're written and flow made my current military sci-fi/thriller that much better.

oh no!

please tell me you read them BEFORE you saw the movie.  i would hate to think you're picturing jack reacher to look like tom cruise.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: tebakutis on August 29, 2016, 03:56:00 PM
Seconding this. I've started doing this more and more often, trying to read books outside my comfort zone. For instance, I read the first few Jack Reacher books and loved them, even though I'm usually not a thriller/mystery reader. As a bonus, I'm almost certain reading those and absorbing the way they're written and flow made my current military sci-fi/thriller that much better.

oh no!

please tell me you read them BEFORE you saw the movie.  i would hate to think you're picturing jack reacher to look like tom cruise.

Nope, saw the movie, then read a few of the books. I thought the movie was entertaining (I'll honestly watch Tom Cruise in anything, not going to lie) and started with The Killing Floor afterward.

The books pretty consistently describe Reacher as a tall, beefy, intimidating dude, so I absolutely have two different images in my head for him, based on if its book or movie (though to be fair to Cruise, he sells "compact badass" really well). But it was less about how I pictured Reacher and more about Lee Child (Jim Grant)'s writing style. Just the way he *writes* is fun, and it's a completely different style than anything I'd ever read in fantasy or sci-fi. Absolutely loosened up my own author's voice.

One day, I'll write a fantasy book in the style of the Jack Reacher books and sell it for a zillion dollars.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: m3mnoch on August 29, 2016, 04:07:01 PM
Seconding this. I've started doing this more and more often, trying to read books outside my comfort zone. For instance, I read the first few Jack Reacher books and loved them, even though I'm usually not a thriller/mystery reader. As a bonus, I'm almost certain reading those and absorbing the way they're written and flow made my current military sci-fi/thriller that much better.

oh no!

please tell me you read them BEFORE you saw the movie.  i would hate to think you're picturing jack reacher to look like tom cruise.

Nope, saw the movie, then read a few of the books. I thought the movie was entertaining (I'll honestly watch Tom Cruise in anything, not going to lie) and started with The Killing Floor afterward.

The books pretty consistently describe Reacher as a tall, beefy, intimidating dude, so I absolutely have two different images in my head for him, based on if its book or movie (though to be fair to Cruise, he sells "compact badass" really well). But it was less about how I pictured Reacher and more about Lee Child (Jim Grant)'s writing style. Just the way he *writes* is fun, and it's a completely different style than anything I'd ever read in fantasy or sci-fi. Absolutely loosened up my own author's voice.

One day, I'll write a fantasy book in the style of the Jack Reacher books and sell it for a zillion dollars.

right?!  love those books!

but, yeah.  jack reacher looks more like dwayne johnson than tom cruise.  i was mortified at the casting.  tho, i guess not as mortified as some of these people:
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/21/entertainment/la-et-jc-tom-cruise-jack-reacher-fans-react-20121220
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Peat on August 29, 2016, 04:16:45 PM
I believe the model for how Reacher looks is Lawrence Dallaglio (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lawrence+dallaglio&safe=off&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivm52q9ObOAhVEDcAKHVBHBHsQ_AUIBigB)

But yeah. I've been reading out of my comfort zone, deep in my comfort zone, in the fantasy genre, out of the fantasy genre... genre and what not appears to make no difference at the moment.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on August 29, 2016, 09:18:26 PM
I think everyone goes through those phases once in a while, without any particular reason.
Maybe it's time to do some re-reading of old favourites? Or maybe not... what if that backfires and then you don't like them anymore? :-\
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on August 29, 2016, 09:29:00 PM
Think the last thing I re-read was Lotr, probably one of the very few I will go back and do so. There's far too much new stuff to go through first :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on August 29, 2016, 09:31:00 PM
Oh, that was my reply to @Peat (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=41189)'s problem.

I think there's a time to re-read stuff, though - it's what works.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Peat on August 29, 2016, 09:52:48 PM
I think everyone goes through those phases once in a while, without any particular reason.
Maybe it's time to do some re-reading of old favourites? Or maybe not... what if that backfires and then you don't like them anymore? :-\

I've been doing some re-reads for review purposes with no issues. Plenty of laughter at things that look weak now but my old favourites remain just that. Its finding new stuff that I like that's the issue. Maybe that means I should just re-read the stuff I've got but I want new stuff.

Hopefully going to a library with better choice will find better stuff.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Elfy on August 29, 2016, 10:25:01 PM
I believe the model for how Reacher looks is Lawrence Dallaglio (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lawrence+dallaglio&safe=off&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivm52q9ObOAhVEDcAKHVBHBHsQ_AUIBigB)

But yeah. I've been reading out of my comfort zone, deep in my comfort zone, in the fantasy genre, out of the fantasy genre... genre and what not appears to make no difference at the moment.
If that was the model maybe they should have cast Vinnie Jones.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nighteyes on August 29, 2016, 10:32:34 PM
I believe the model for how Reacher looks is Lawrence Dallaglio (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lawrence+dallaglio&safe=off&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivm52q9ObOAhVEDcAKHVBHBHsQ_AUIBigB)

But yeah. I've been reading out of my comfort zone, deep in my comfort zone, in the fantasy genre, out of the fantasy genre... genre and what not appears to make no difference at the moment.
If that was the model maybe they should have cast Vinnie Jones.

Remember "I'm juggernaut!" ?  I think I'll stick with 5ft tall Tom Cruise as Jack Reacher.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on August 29, 2016, 11:19:26 PM
Jack Reacher was always a younger Clint Eastwood, Dirty Harry style in my mind. I hated having Tom Cruise in the role and also thought the film itself was a let down overall.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on August 31, 2016, 10:09:31 PM
Just had a thought while reading Low Town, why do fantasy authors (though it could be the publisher honestly, but same difference) italicize fictional words in their fantasy world. The narrator describes being in a bar and seeing patrons ordering bowls of something, I have no reference for what it is or could be like as its made up, yet 'Kisvas' is italicized. Means absolutely nothing to me at all so why do it?

A very minor musing I won't lose sleep over, but a musing nonetheless.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on August 31, 2016, 10:18:00 PM
Just had a thought while reading Low Town, why do fantasy authors (though it could be the publisher honestly, but same difference) italicize fictional words in their fantasy world. The narrator describes being in a bar and seeing patrons ordering bowls of something, I have no reference for what it is or could be like as its made up, yet 'Kisvas' is italicized. Means absolutely nothing to me at all so why do it?

A very minor musing I won't lose sleep over, but a musing nonetheless.

Yes, it's a silly convention.
And why don't people in English-speaking countries call Germany Deutschland? And, etc.? Why? Why not? Opinions!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on August 31, 2016, 10:20:19 PM
To be fair other countries do the same thing.

England in French is Angleterre, etc.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on September 01, 2016, 02:25:59 AM
I suspect the general use of italics for uncommon foreign words came from the days when books many had footnotes or addenda, but to have them for made up fantasy words seems unnecessary, again unless there is a reference list somewhere..

For country names, if you are writing in one language wouldn't you use that language for other people's place names  so your readers knew where you meant? Could get complicated if you had to translate foreign alphabets to call a country what it's inhabitants called it.

Sometimes it seems a shame, I discovered from a book of that title that Hong Kong actually means Fragrant Harbour, :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on September 04, 2016, 01:13:46 AM
Double post but saw  this today and it makes so much sense wanted to share. It is something English speakers never think about, it has never been known as a grammar rule, but  just happens naturally.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Raptori on September 04, 2016, 01:25:34 AM
Double post but saw  this today and it makes so much sense wanted to share. It is something English speakers never think about, it has never been known as a grammar rule, but  just happens naturally.

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That is beyond awesome. So true. Wonder if there are other types of adjective too, and where they'd fit in the hierarchy!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on September 04, 2016, 01:43:40 AM

That is beyond awesome. So true. Wonder if there are other types of adjective too, and where they'd fit in the hierarchy!

Taste?

Tender little young  blue Celtic salty roasting Raptosaur?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on September 07, 2016, 09:04:39 PM
I'd just like to give a big hurrah for John Gwynne! :D

On top of being an amazing writer - honestly, you guys really need to read The Faithful and the Fallen series (book 4, last, coming out in November) - he's also an amazing person and really nice to his fans (i.e. me ;D )
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Raptori on September 07, 2016, 09:36:39 PM
I'd just like to give a big hurrah for John Gwynne! :D

On top of being an amazing writer - honestly, you guys really need to read The Faithful and the Fallen series (book 4, last, coming out in November) - he's also an amazing person and really nice to his fans (i.e. me ;D )
What did he do?  :o

Agree that anyone who likes epic fantasy at all should check his books out.  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on September 10, 2016, 04:54:12 PM
More books, more books, still using your gift card :D ::)
From the 'buy one get one half price', I got book 2 from the Fitz and Fool trilogy, and Twelve Kings, since everyone was raving about it!

And then my dad bought 3 calendars, as gifts, as I got 3 "free" stamps in my waterstones card ;D
Just look at these 2 (click for bigger image):

(http://www.calendars.com/img/p/orig/201700003529_1.jpg)

(http://www.calendars.com/img/p/orig/201700003528_1.jpg)

(I think @Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840) and @Lady_Ty (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=31869) will like the cats one hehe)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: The Gem Cutter on September 10, 2016, 05:32:23 PM
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THIS is one of the reasons why I love Russian, where word order is much more flexible, and ambiguity is almost absent. One slip of sequence and the specificity falls off in English! It's no wonder our world is as smashed as it is - no one can communicate effectively without attending to a host of unwritten (let alone understood) rules!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on September 10, 2016, 05:43:37 PM
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THIS is one of the reasons why I love Russian, where word order is much more flexible, and ambiguity is almost absent. One slip of sequence and the specificity falls off in English! It's no wonder our world is as smashed as it is - no one can communicate effectively without attending to a host of unwritten (let alone understood) rules!

My daughter is a Latin teacher and it's always interesting to hear her discuss word order, as well a poetry. Rhyme wasn't thing - at least not often. It was about emphasis, irony and other treats arising out of rhythm and... word order.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on September 11, 2016, 03:04:06 AM
@ScarletBea (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=32020), those cats and dogs are hilarious, love your father's SOH and he's passed it on to you  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on September 27, 2016, 01:19:52 PM
The Favorite Sidekick Book Battle is now live, go down to vote and discuss!

http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-faction-book-battles/fantasy-faction-book-battles-favorite-sidekick-bracket-discussion/ (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-faction-book-battles/fantasy-faction-book-battles-favorite-sidekick-bracket-discussion/)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on October 01, 2016, 09:32:16 PM
My library has already got Blod mirror (Brent Weeks) on order, I just placed a reservation :D
Yay!
@ultamentkiller (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40103), are you as anxious as I am, hehe?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on October 04, 2016, 04:41:23 PM
My library has already got Blod mirror (Brent Weeks) on order, I just placed a reservation :D
Yay!
@ultamentkiller (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40103), are you as anxious as I am, hehe?

I don't know about him but I am.  I have absolutely no idea when I'm going get time to read it as I don't think my current "only have time to read a chapter here and there" activity is going to fly for Blood Mirror.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on October 04, 2016, 06:39:53 PM
My library has already got Blod mirror (Brent Weeks) on order, I just placed a reservation :D
Yay!
@ultamentkiller (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40103), are you as anxious as I am, hehe?

I don't know about him but I am.  I have absolutely no idea when I'm going get time to read it as I don't think my current "only have time to read a chapter here and there" activity is going to fly for Blood Mirror.
You can always not sleep ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lanko on October 05, 2016, 11:56:05 PM
For the past month and a half I started reading on my Kindle with the Landscape orientation. And I actually liked it very much. The extra width makes the formatting look so much better, IMO, with longer lines that look like the real books.
I also use the middle option for spacing and the third for margins. I tried going back to Portrait and found it too strange now.

Wondering what are your settings using the Kindle.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: The Gem Cutter on October 06, 2016, 04:37:22 AM
For the past month and a half I started reading on my Kindle with the Landscape orientation. And I actually liked it very much. The extra width makes the formatting look so much better, IMO, with longer lines that look like the real books.
I also use the middle option for spacing and the third for margins. I tried going back to Portrait and found it too strange now.

Wondering what are your settings using the Kindle.
That's how I use mine... well, the tablet I use now, anyway.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: DrNefario on October 06, 2016, 01:19:31 PM
My Kindle is old enough to have a keyboard and physical page-turn buttons, so I think I'll stick to portrait.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: m3mnoch on October 06, 2016, 02:19:12 PM
My Kindle is old enough to have a keyboard and physical page-turn buttons, so I think I'll stick to portrait.

mine too!  i thought i was the only one!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lanko on October 07, 2016, 12:44:11 AM
Oh yea, the touchscreen keyboard is also way better on Landscape, because of the extra width  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: night_wrtr on October 07, 2016, 01:31:25 AM
My kindle is my phone.  :'(
 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Raptori on October 07, 2016, 01:51:13 AM
My e-reader is an iPad mini; landscape it has ~100 characters per line, portrait it has ~70 cpl. Ideal cpl for readability is 50-60, so portrait works infinitely better for me. Not sure what cpl Saurus has on her kindle (she has a Paperwhite, the lucky so-and-so), but she reads portrait too I think.  :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on October 07, 2016, 02:00:07 AM
For the past month and a half I started reading on my Kindle with the Landscape orientation. And I actually liked it very much. The extra width makes the formatting look so much better, IMO, with longer lines that look like the real books.
I also use the middle option for spacing and the third for margins. I tried going back to Portrait and found it too strange now.

Wondering what are your settings using the Kindle.

Didn't know that Landscape was there, thanks @Lanko (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40739), big improvement. Since buying kindle way back, am now lucky enough to have ipad and use it for reading instead, so much brighter and bigger, also can have double column layout if you want but that is not really an advantage. night_wrtr, reading kindle on phone,you are a hero. I do have app on my phone for shopping, but couldn't manage to read there.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: night_wrtr on October 07, 2016, 03:32:21 AM
 ;D

It's not all that bad. At least I can change the brightness setting for late night reading!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lanko on October 07, 2016, 03:38:13 AM
;D

It's not all that bad. At least I can change the brightness setting for late night reading!

*Evil rooftop entrance*

"Mwahaha! The Kindle also does that and better!"
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: night_wrtr on October 07, 2016, 03:47:33 AM
;D

It's not all that bad. At least I can change the brightness setting for late night reading!

*Evil rooftop entrance*

"Mwahaha! The Kindle also does that and better!"

My Kindle can make phone calls! Ohhhhhhhh! Yeah that's reaching. I know.

Really though, I want one. I'm slowly becoming more accepting of ebooks.

Slowly.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on October 07, 2016, 12:55:43 PM
My kindle is my phone.  :'(

I probably read 1/3 of Malazan on my phone while at work. 

I use a Kindle Fire Tablet.  I don't use tablets for anything more than reading and browsing the internet (and even then I'll pull out my phone) so I went in the most cost effective route that allowed me to do both.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: night_wrtr on October 07, 2016, 01:00:33 PM
My kids actually got a kindle fire to play games on. I could potentially use that....if I knew where it was. It's been "lost" for a while now.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: DrNefario on October 07, 2016, 01:43:37 PM
I really like the eInk display, and can't see myself using a tablet full-time. I'm not even sure I want a backlight. None of my three eInk readers are lit. They work exactly like paper.

I have read on a tablet - I'm happy enough to read PDFs on there, and maybe comics and the like - but it's not my first choice.

I also read short stories on my phone. The screen is pretty big and sharp, so it's not much of  hardship, but again I wouldn't want it to be my main reading device.

I like ebooks a lot. I'd rather get everything as an ebook these days, but I'm less happy with current pricing practices, so I tend to end up with a lot of used paperbacks, too. I'll also occasionally get a hardback if it's something really special. Ebooks don't sit there taking up loads of space and getting sun-damaged like all my paper books.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lanko on October 07, 2016, 09:57:37 PM
I really like the eInk display, and can't see myself using a tablet full-time. I'm not even sure I want a backlight. None of my three eInk readers are lit. They work exactly like paper.

I have read on a tablet - I'm happy enough to read PDFs on there, and maybe comics and the like - but it's not my first choice.

I also read short stories on my phone. The screen is pretty big and sharp, so it's not much of  hardship, but again I wouldn't want it to be my main reading device.

I like ebooks a lot. I'd rather get everything as an ebook these days, but I'm less happy with current pricing practices, so I tend to end up with a lot of used paperbacks, too. I'll also occasionally get a hardback if it's something really special. Ebooks don't sit there taking up loads of space and getting sun-damaged like all my paper books.

The backlight on the Kindle Paperwhite (you are able to adjust it) it's pretty awesome! It isn't like the illumination from phones, tablets or on the computer that eventually tire your eyes out (specially in the dark!). It's very different, and it works so great on dark ambients. It also has no reflection from anything around you!
Really should check it out, @night_wrtr (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40254) (and anyone else). Try to go to a shop and see if you can test it or something.

I was thinking on getting the Kindle Oasis because they managed to make it even more small, but the price... The Paperwhite is pretty great though.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on October 10, 2016, 05:57:14 PM
Yesterday I was rearranging my shelves to add the new books I bought into the proper alphabetical order: now I want to re-read lots of the books I touched. But I still have lots of new unread books (both owned and "out there", of course).
Argh, decisions, decisions ::) ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on October 14, 2016, 02:28:07 PM
After last weekend, I want their future books to be published as written by

Scott Lynch (a) Bear
and
Elizabeth Lynch (a) Bear

 ;D

(Edit: sorry for the crappy joke - I should get a twitter account for this :-[)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: The Gem Cutter on October 14, 2016, 07:45:36 PM
I ducked into the bookstore today and they had an entire wall of scifi/fantasy. I got a couple from Jmack's list and a handful of others and the guy at the counter did a major double take and said "Sir, you have some VERY good books there."
I thanked him and nodded sagely, cause that's what you do when people think you have good taste - even if it's really Jmack's taste.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on October 14, 2016, 08:28:28 PM
I ducked into the bookstore today and they had an entire wall of scifi/fantasy. I got a couple from Jmack's list and a handful of others and the guy at the counter did a major double take and said "Sir, you have some VERY good books there."
I thanked him and nodded sagely, cause that's what you do when people think you have good taste - even if it's really Jmack's taste.

Just as long as you don't share his adult beverage tastes....
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on October 14, 2016, 08:34:31 PM
After last weekend, I want their future books to be published as written by

Scott Lynch (a) Bear
and
Elizabeth Lynch (a) Bear

 ;D

(Edit: sorry for the crappy joke - I should get a twitter account for this :-[)
YES YOU SHOULD GET TWITTER FOR THIS

 ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on October 15, 2016, 03:09:55 PM
I'm too lazy and too private for a twitter of my own... ::)

Anyway, this, on a smaller scale:
(http://futureflyingsaucers.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/482047_10151404129103684_1512076145_n.jpg)

I found 2 Anne McCaffrey books at the charity shop. I know I have still lots to read at home, but... just £1 (for both)! and good quality! and books 4 and 5 in the series!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Alex Hormann on October 16, 2016, 12:34:41 AM
I finally got round to reading Stormcaller and there's a man called Horman in it! Really threw me off for a bit. Got me wondering how other people react to seeing their name in a book. (Especially if you have an unusual or rare name)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on October 18, 2016, 10:41:53 PM
I've heard of Winnie The Pooh, but I never read it...
Should I get the book, a special edition with the original illustrations?

(this after watching Treasures of the British Library just now, hehe)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Mr.J on October 18, 2016, 10:57:40 PM
Saw this on twitter a while ago and forgot to post here.

When someone asks if you're ever going to read all the books you keep buying:
(https://i.imgur.com/azBhD9l.gif)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on October 18, 2016, 11:18:44 PM
I've heard of Winnie The Pooh, but I never read it...
Should I get the book, a special edition with the original illustrations?

(this after watching Treasures of the British Library just now, hehe)

Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes yes Yes     Please Please Please Please Please

Did I say Yes Please?

You need to know what it was really like before Disney made everyone cute.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on October 18, 2016, 11:50:34 PM
I've heard of Winnie The Pooh, but I never read it...
Should I get the book, a special edition with the original illustrations?

(this after watching Treasures of the British Library just now, hehe)

Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes yes Yes     Please Please Please Please Please

Did I say Yes Please?

You need to know what it was really like before Disney made everyone cute.

I have to quote this just so we see it happening twice.
And, yes!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on October 19, 2016, 10:01:43 AM
Thanks a lot, Lady Ty, for your emphatic message hehe
Done ;D

This edition:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/517MhWjF9rL.jpg)

(plus Ash, Mary Gentle, to get the extra 1p for free delivery hehe)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: sennydreadful on October 19, 2016, 10:32:28 AM
I had to read some little bits of Winnie-the-pooh for work the other week, and I was totally charmed by it. Much funnier than I was expecting!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on October 19, 2016, 10:37:30 AM
I had to read some little bits of Winnie-the-pooh for work the other week, and I was totally charmed by it. Much funnier than I was expecting!

Wait. What? @sennydreadful (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3297), say it ain't so!
You should be living the high life off Copper, Iron and Silver royalties!
Er, what is your day job?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: sennydreadful on October 19, 2016, 10:40:07 AM
I had to read some little bits of Winnie-the-pooh for work the other week, and I was totally charmed by it. Much funnier than I was expecting!

Wait. What? @sennydreadful (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3297), say it ain't so!
You should be living the high life off Copper, Iron and Silver royalties!
Er, what is your day job?

Ha! I wish  ;) I work as a copywriter in my day job, so still writing - it just involves fewer dragons and taverns, unfortunately. The good news is, I mainly write copy about books! :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lanko on October 19, 2016, 11:02:40 AM
I had to read some little bits of Winnie-the-pooh for work the other week, and I was totally charmed by it. Much funnier than I was expecting!

Wait. What? @sennydreadful (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3297), say it ain't so!
You should be living the high life off Copper, Iron and Silver royalties!
Er, what is your day job?

Wow, I totally missed that metal progression on the titles.

On the other hand, now Gold, Platinum and Diamond sequels are 100% certain  ::)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on October 19, 2016, 02:04:20 PM
Miscellaneous photos from my local library:

All of Jen's books (look @sennydreadful (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3297)!):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9ec5zfjt5gwphut4FEQ_GcUs0MhLe151CUFG6hbbPUKLvZLiPqW2D7-8T3p6YCuxetndozU3UyKU0IRh5ALXzgNTEhdi7R3Tyh4x0D3ozZeZ4Rhm0if8icvRS6OLyTDWmEg-y1PoybZvWbIA8LAvvWCHN1FgS-xTRLhshPbm06dhFN8ANhGQiAZvRahM-aoue54ax8mOlwpbJrKs5-pgBJ6na47lHuH-Zt9DIhHcrrr_iYIbKZHL5kOArrczq0d8IiH0Yv3ck7lespwqchO5NO_O8Sld3YksCi2olXHgWv-F8tjeyjCWZacGcpwTYfIIyRJYX9ZCp24OeXxG271g1AA2kQHT-EiUrOoajUYquaKH6bVf1FT6zcTkEatPp9IoSZ-HNO1Q5ebe20ewaX5ltMgriNi4nH1hRpliWx4rZhuUHfiGLpu9peb2r1IrqCXNfVp9gzKBmteXUTrlTXsgqJHpLs_LjoVINz0Ot4ZAYcSLO5QRIaUxc5j1UE_z8xipKLY_v_98O4-D_7pFFgvZfpVZCYX6XxadJp-dEOicavZPSo0jFWtO_wUQU0lJrZ7cy1S8jS557YmeVTEus8odiDyRw_ZK-lkuy5xUHpujboe6htuh=w467-h622-no)

And 2 of Julia's books:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9r9HyCRqjyEHokfPefPYxQ6BNTbwwkZrwVY3c1f_zSHaGbcWCga5Epfi2HXDyXzJemP4VldcJUCmuCC4rQoSzueP0gSJ5m1viZ5GCJOWJjWRqGntRIwVEeRN7Bb3Bylxj1XYVN3veAmfaSyBgAtksS4nahjqgezQEI1be2P1aO4boSiCEmgDSrjBh-tgbHr8lg7xVpfjYXDUeOPXm5cSORNx_KUxKMuV0vOdbb7UBh5YdvJ4omNbPzXOpTGCU5icOdgLnVAvkYAV9rIN7-cyEgBf1LpfU3336eLdul62bSqfVUNeMKCtMiY7rZqaURLikTi3U1TgGvbWZ5TAolB6t8zjmU2E6QaRHhrglYgiODUAx3XU5wgV5OsRipqcoAmZ6plIdPsw0ON2HL8dHCAil9nvfFjXZIIF60XVnk73HtMBTEEBJud0vD5n97h4NMae5s1MPbMABVQTZhwYjbl0jS00tDMda0rbvzOzE0SjOC3ckQsdt4lT6nnkeHqNoHehH8TnxL8HD4mJOCGarwAxdiovGIfPaxjHXgOBH86w468ePmDmX43cpCMXTrOPXVf7-ySBr5enXHV7jAwpBPNJWVwa_9zf5wL8jMtQi_X2K9RiVeZM=w467-h622-no)

And a lovely bookmark, that they created for the Sci-Fi Bookfest (I didn't get the SF one, click to enbiggen):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_jQTFa9Mp6bt4EcoeRr7FlAXCxC4zpxTm5aEhwOiM6McSQXJ8EpGuYd3vKZS2iTYTHCFmqJyvvCSwYd3z_ii0rKg9dCR635SopEEppD3rR2Zl-I60GkvZBGkBjBn3q_nVxLSzCKLb_WSMefO0q98oW0-AfVii0vIx4hmsqDpwkP4V3Va1gwallUpmH2MSfMMxhvvytqNR167NcRtuy4cMzn6n2n2kAkfeC4wMVtnvmaiCLeNtJOiYrzxKhbfm2paYPhvsYeen0t8s7smarG7zIw3Kz-HO4wYPobF0aW5h6pzs1lAd4hnNijDaHALbhYAXk82vUtD-x5DXTpXtusNEtwuckdBNmE0LItqVfOU9auJae8w9FFcItH0ZvyajQs-bxHsB7TAFsUAQgwJ5KQBcjbsS4AfRpshaqg2PFF4US4gu3pUP_whunoJf4yeRa0sXbXyzH9_ubw-1JGUivdE9f_z2Fwiuy3sWsRK44pzJIGkytnZ3WPlrmTQbWN6K5D1WotZJnFD3sohZBBbL0zR5I5VU_1S-z7ElLFQjS2RbO6kDvEhgL_ZjpN6EnppNH1ai9pcWv9PZlSqtqR5cnY6HXUMrby3t8wUIjCAapfBbDuRHC1P=w467-h622-no)
(there are some names I don't recognise, though...)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: sennydreadful on October 19, 2016, 02:06:04 PM
Oh how lovely! Always brilliant to see my books in a library :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: m3mnoch on October 19, 2016, 04:15:40 PM
boo.  i can't see those photos.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: The Gem Cutter on October 19, 2016, 05:28:38 PM
boo.  i can't see those photos.

They're European and the accent's throwing off your browser.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on October 19, 2016, 05:58:31 PM
Miscellaneous photos from my local library:

All of Jen's books (look @sennydreadful (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3297)!):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9ec5zfjt5gwphut4FEQ_GcUs0MhLe151CUFG6hbbPUKLvZLiPqW2D7-8T3p6YCuxetndozU3UyKU0IRh5ALXzgNTEhdi7R3Tyh4x0D3ozZeZ4Rhm0if8icvRS6OLyTDWmEg-y1PoybZvWbIA8LAvvWCHN1FgS-xTRLhshPbm06dhFN8ANhGQiAZvRahM-aoue54ax8mOlwpbJrKs5-pgBJ6na47lHuH-Zt9DIhHcrrr_iYIbKZHL5kOArrczq0d8IiH0Yv3ck7lespwqchO5NO_O8Sld3YksCi2olXHgWv-F8tjeyjCWZacGcpwTYfIIyRJYX9ZCp24OeXxG271g1AA2kQHT-EiUrOoajUYquaKH6bVf1FT6zcTkEatPp9IoSZ-HNO1Q5ebe20ewaX5ltMgriNi4nH1hRpliWx4rZhuUHfiGLpu9peb2r1IrqCXNfVp9gzKBmteXUTrlTXsgqJHpLs_LjoVINz0Ot4ZAYcSLO5QRIaUxc5j1UE_z8xipKLY_v_98O4-D_7pFFgvZfpVZCYX6XxadJp-dEOicavZPSo0jFWtO_wUQU0lJrZ7cy1S8jS557YmeVTEus8odiDyRw_ZK-lkuy5xUHpujboe6htuh=w467-h622-no)

And 2 of Julia's books:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9r9HyCRqjyEHokfPefPYxQ6BNTbwwkZrwVY3c1f_zSHaGbcWCga5Epfi2HXDyXzJemP4VldcJUCmuCC4rQoSzueP0gSJ5m1viZ5GCJOWJjWRqGntRIwVEeRN7Bb3Bylxj1XYVN3veAmfaSyBgAtksS4nahjqgezQEI1be2P1aO4boSiCEmgDSrjBh-tgbHr8lg7xVpfjYXDUeOPXm5cSORNx_KUxKMuV0vOdbb7UBh5YdvJ4omNbPzXOpTGCU5icOdgLnVAvkYAV9rIN7-cyEgBf1LpfU3336eLdul62bSqfVUNeMKCtMiY7rZqaURLikTi3U1TgGvbWZ5TAolB6t8zjmU2E6QaRHhrglYgiODUAx3XU5wgV5OsRipqcoAmZ6plIdPsw0ON2HL8dHCAil9nvfFjXZIIF60XVnk73HtMBTEEBJud0vD5n97h4NMae5s1MPbMABVQTZhwYjbl0jS00tDMda0rbvzOzE0SjOC3ckQsdt4lT6nnkeHqNoHehH8TnxL8HD4mJOCGarwAxdiovGIfPaxjHXgOBH86w468ePmDmX43cpCMXTrOPXVf7-ySBr5enXHV7jAwpBPNJWVwa_9zf5wL8jMtQi_X2K9RiVeZM=w467-h622-no)

And a lovely bookmark, that they created for the Sci-Fi Bookfest (I didn't get the SF one, click to enbiggen):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_jQTFa9Mp6bt4EcoeRr7FlAXCxC4zpxTm5aEhwOiM6McSQXJ8EpGuYd3vKZS2iTYTHCFmqJyvvCSwYd3z_ii0rKg9dCR635SopEEppD3rR2Zl-I60GkvZBGkBjBn3q_nVxLSzCKLb_WSMefO0q98oW0-AfVii0vIx4hmsqDpwkP4V3Va1gwallUpmH2MSfMMxhvvytqNR167NcRtuy4cMzn6n2n2kAkfeC4wMVtnvmaiCLeNtJOiYrzxKhbfm2paYPhvsYeen0t8s7smarG7zIw3Kz-HO4wYPobF0aW5h6pzs1lAd4hnNijDaHALbhYAXk82vUtD-x5DXTpXtusNEtwuckdBNmE0LItqVfOU9auJae8w9FFcItH0ZvyajQs-bxHsB7TAFsUAQgwJ5KQBcjbsS4AfRpshaqg2PFF4US4gu3pUP_whunoJf4yeRa0sXbXyzH9_ubw-1JGUivdE9f_z2Fwiuy3sWsRK44pzJIGkytnZ3WPlrmTQbWN6K5D1WotZJnFD3sohZBBbL0zR5I5VU_1S-z7ElLFQjS2RbO6kDvEhgL_ZjpN6EnppNH1ai9pcWv9PZlSqtqR5cnY6HXUMrby3t8wUIjCAapfBbDuRHC1P=w467-h622-no)
(there are some names I don't recognise, though...)

What's happen to the photos I wanted to see the list of fantasy writers on the bookmark see which ones I didn't know
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on October 19, 2016, 06:01:55 PM
 ???
Well, I can see them. Jen could see them. Why can't anyone else see them? >:(

Edit: I checked all settings in Google Photos (why did they have to discontinue Picasa? grrr) - it's all "if people have the link they can see the photos", so it seems ok
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lanko on October 19, 2016, 07:09:04 PM
I saw them fine.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: xiagan on October 19, 2016, 08:21:43 PM
Me too.
Definitely a conspiracy against the states! ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: The Gem Cutter on October 19, 2016, 11:20:52 PM
I can only imagine the cockney-accent as expressed in computer code  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on October 19, 2016, 11:45:18 PM
Quote
I can only imagine the cockney-accent as expressed in computer code  ;D

Ah but the Cockney accent was an American creation it didn't exist before 1964  8)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: m3mnoch on October 20, 2016, 12:08:05 AM
Quote
I can only imagine the cockney-accent as expressed in computer code  ;D

Ah but the Cockney accent was an American creation it didn't exist before 1964  8)

but, but, but . . . dick van dyke!

my childhood is ruined!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Peat on October 20, 2016, 12:34:30 AM
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I can only imagine the cockney-accent as expressed in computer code  ;D

Ah but the Cockney accent was an American creation it didn't exist before 1964  8)

but, but, but . . . dick van dyke!

my childhood is ruined!

(https://d.justpo.st/media/images/2015/08/20/grumpy-cat-says-good-1440109287.jpg)

(sorry Memnoch... was too good to miss)

Also, I can't see these pictures of Bea either.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on October 24, 2016, 02:34:38 PM
The way our brain works... ::)

I finished a book last night.
I've got about 5-6 unread new books at home, with 2 more arriving later in the post.
So what do I read next?
...
That's right, I go out and buy book 2 of the one I've just finished and start reading that 8)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on October 25, 2016, 07:52:25 PM
Double post to say I got my Winnie-the-Pooh books today, and it's lovely, a box with 4 books inside, with the wonderful original illustrations in colour and all! :D

And I'd also bought Ash from a well-rated second hand seller, and it said condition=very good --> well, the spine is all bent and full of bendy marks, that's not 'very good' in my list >:(
I mean, I sort of understand that a book with over 1100 pages needs some flexibility to be read, but still...
Better live with it, this book is rarer (with good price/good condition) than gold dust, grrr
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on October 25, 2016, 08:12:53 PM
Oh sorry to hear that the condition of the book isn't very good

what's  Ash about?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on October 25, 2016, 08:27:30 PM
I asked for the red leather boxed LOTR for Christmas, which is like $250 in mint condition. Abe Books had it for $75 in "good." I emailed them for more info, and the vendor said if I ordered it, they're pull it and inspect it and let me decline if necessary before sending it.

Right.

It's on it's way, no chance to ask about the actual condition.

But, they've promised they'll pay shipping if I'm not happy with it.

Stay tuned..........  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on October 25, 2016, 08:50:22 PM
I've had fairly good luck with books I've ordered off Abe and Half Price Books.  Only disappointment was Dust of Dream (Malazan) where the jacket shows a lot more wear that I was lead to believe (the actual pages were fine).
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on October 25, 2016, 10:07:02 PM
what's  Ash about?

Copied from Wikipedia:
"Set in the 15th century, the novel blends elements of fantasy, alternate history, and secret history.
The novel employs a framing device which claims that it is a work of scholarship, a translation of late medieval texts. The novel maintains a parallel narrative consisting of the emails between the historian writing the book and his publisher. Initially the author believes that the narrative is simply an embellished and romanticized account of actual events, but as the book goes on he begins to find evidence that the more fantastical claims in the book are true and begins to doubt reality around him. Throughout the novel, elements of fantasy and alternate history become more prominent "

Her books are always a bit "strange" (I've read 3), and this one she actually used for her Masters, I think.
It won the BSFA Award for Best Novel in 2000.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: xiagan on October 26, 2016, 10:34:32 AM
Sounds interesting! (by "her books are a bit strange" I thought you meant Scarlett Thomas first. :))
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on October 26, 2016, 11:01:24 AM
Sounds interesting! (by "her books are a bit strange" I thought you meant Scarlett Thomas first. :))
I think these are stranger in fantasy terms and writing methods. Scarlett's are strange by the subjects, I think, hehe (and I would only classify her "Mr Y" one as fantasy, the others not)

I forgot to say I bought yet another book yesterday :-[ It was just a little one, less than 100 pages, by Terry Pratchett: Shaking hands with death, his thoughts on his illness, and illness in general (I think).
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on November 01, 2016, 05:56:17 PM
Why is it, that if people buy books as presents, they always get a hardcover?
I would much prefer to get 2 paperbacks than 1 hardcover, same gift value.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eclipse on November 01, 2016, 06:08:18 PM
Does this mean you have received a book? name of title and author of said book please  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on November 01, 2016, 06:22:29 PM
Why is it, that if people buy books as presents, they always get a hardcover?
I would much prefer to get 2 paperbacks than 1 hardcover, same gift value.

Counterpoint - hardbacks look better on a bookshelf.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on November 01, 2016, 06:47:49 PM
Does this mean you have received a book? name of title and author of said book please  ;D
No, it was a truly random question hehe

Why is it, that if people buy books as presents, they always get a hardcover?
I would much prefer to get 2 paperbacks than 1 hardcover, same gift value.

Counterpoint - hardbacks look better on a bookshelf.
Not on mine, which have about 98% paperbacks :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on November 01, 2016, 09:04:06 PM
I give books to be read not looked at.

Translate as too cheap to give hardbacks
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Alex Hormann on November 01, 2016, 09:08:40 PM
Any book is good as a gift, but nothing quite beats unwrapping a stack of secondhand paperbacks.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on November 01, 2016, 09:41:02 PM
Any book is good as a gift, but nothing quite beats unwrapping a stack of secondhand paperbacks.

I think running your fingers down the spines of the secondhand paperbacks in the musty old second-hand bookshop, wondering if you'll take it back home, or beaming in delight in finding that old book you can't believe you don't currently own, beats unwrapping them, but I'm not fussy, and I even read a lot of ebooks now, making even those a pleasure.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: DrNefario on November 01, 2016, 10:09:23 PM
I guess the very newest books tend to be available only in hardback.

I'd rather have some kindle credit.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on November 02, 2016, 08:29:25 PM
Someone restrain me!!!!
I went to the library to return a book (and see if Blood Mirror was available - no, still being transferred from another location), and despite having a ton of unread books at home, I borrowed Moon over Soho (which I'd never been able to find before because it 'lived' in another village) ::)

Yes, you're converting me to Ben's books......
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nighteyes on November 02, 2016, 09:00:38 PM
Someone restrain me!!!!
I went to the library to return a book (and see if Blood Mirror was available - no, still being transferred from another location), and despite having a ton of unread books at home, I borrowed Moon over Soho (which I'd never been able to find before because it 'lived' in another village) ::)

Yes, you're converting me to Ben's books......

Woo hoo!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on November 03, 2016, 04:49:33 PM
Moon Over Soho is great

There are Jazz Vampires!

What more could be needed to make it a literary masterpiece.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on November 03, 2016, 10:29:48 PM
Hey, @Eli_Freysson, I found an icelandic person with your books on LibraryThing ;D

http://www.librarything.com/author/freyssonel --> I've got 2, @Eclipse has got 2, and the icelandic lady has got another one. Or is "Ógnarmáni" the same as The Call?


By the way, she's got a great cartoon on her profile page ;D
(http://pics.cdn.librarything.com/picsizes/16/0e/160e93202055fa2637041354141445341455542.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Eli_Freysson on November 03, 2016, 10:40:05 PM
Hey, @Eli_Freysson, I found an icelandic person with your books on LibraryThing ;D

http://www.librarything.com/author/freyssonel --> I've got 2, @Eclipse has got 2, and the icelandic lady has got another one. Or is "Ógnarmáni" the same as The Call?

Huh. This is my first exposure to LibraryThing.

And "Ógnarmáni" is the second book I published in Iceland, and so far I haven't translated it into English. And I probably won't, because I want to work on new material.

If anyone's curious, it's set in the Silent War universe, but featuring none of the characters from Katja's trilogy.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on November 16, 2016, 05:16:48 PM
Yay!!!
John Gwynne's Wrath, the last book in the Faithful and the Fallen series, is released tomorrow and I just got a copy on the post, sent by John himself :D :D
He's amazing, and so very very nice!

And this series is also amazing, please give it a try! It starts by looking like a normal epic fantasy, with the normal cliches, but soon it turns them upside down - and great characters!!

(call out to @Kazreemo, who I know also loves this :D)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on November 17, 2016, 12:53:39 PM
So I get a notice yesterday that my library as obtained a copy of Miles Cameron's The Dread Wyrm which I've been excited about since I really liked the first book but the ebook prices on the others haven't come down to a point where I want to buy them at.  So I go into my Overdrive account to check the book out and I notice that it's actually Book 3 and they have yet to obtain Book 2.  Maybe they got a special deal on it or something but this seems to happen a lot where they have Book 1 of a series and then they start skipping books.  It's more than a little annoying.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on November 17, 2016, 02:35:54 PM
Can't you ask them to get book 2?
I normally do that on series, and they're usually happy to oblige.
(and I'm in the same situation as you regarding that series - my library has got 2, but I haven't read it yet, it's not that high on my list yet)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on November 17, 2016, 04:27:59 PM
You can put in recommendations and I put one in over a year ago for both books.  I'm sure there is probably some financial logic involved just not book logic.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on November 22, 2016, 10:03:59 AM
So I read this on the "themes we're starved for" thread (thanks @Tanniel), and it has been going round my brain for a few days (which has been mush for proper thinking).
It doesn't really fit there, so decided to comment here.

I think it happens when you "specialise" your reading a lot into the same genre. You'll inevitably encounter the same tropes, characters, plots, archetypes, conventions, even vocabulary across the many works of the same genre (that is, after all, why we group them together). And when the process of becoming tired of seeing the same tropes is at an end, when you think of them as cliches now, that's when you also start to consider what you'd like to see instead.

This comment put into words the evolution I've had as a fantasy reader, and the changes I've seen in me, my taste, the books I'm enjoying.
In the beginning I was a strict 'epic fantasy' person - that was the 'right' thing, the big plots, the cast of characters and so on.
Nowadays I find myself reading different types and enjoying them very much, and although I still prefer epic, I'm much more picky: better a good non-epic than an average epic, and so on. I don't mind anymore, and keep enjoying the novelty.

And of course I have to thank the forum, and all of you with comments and recommendations, for this - I'd never have risked reading outside my 'comfort zone' if not for that :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on November 22, 2016, 10:06:16 AM
I can't remember, SB, whether you've read Tad Williams's epics?
Memory, sorrow, and thorn
Shadowrise
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on November 22, 2016, 10:13:21 AM
Nope, not yet.
I've just checked, my library doesn't have the first 3, but it has the Shadowrise (march/play/heart) books. Good epic, then? :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on November 22, 2016, 11:11:15 AM
Nope, not yet.
I've just checked, my library doesn't have the first 3, but it has the Shadowrise (march/play/heart) books. Good epic, then? :)

They're very traditional, which is a really nice thing often.
MS&T starts with "The Dragonbone Chair." The third book ("To Green Angel Tower") has one of my favorite fantasy titles, and was so long it had to be published in two parts. There's one trope it hangs on a bit much for my taste, but is quite wonderful.

Shadowrise isn't quite the same level of book as MS&T, but still incredibly enjoyable. It's version of "little people" and the battles in the tunnels are well worth it, plus some excellent female MCs.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Otto Von Chriek on November 22, 2016, 04:05:15 PM
Oh I loved the MS&T series... I have re-read them a couple of times. He has one of the more interesting Elven societies that I had read at the time (I have since read others). Far more warrior like in temperament than most portrayals.   
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on December 07, 2016, 12:36:28 PM
Bea's library adventures... ::)

Starting point:
* I'm just around 1/3 into a big book, plus reading 2 non-fiction ones at the same time (those where you can just read a few pages then drop it for later).
* I have 3 unread new books at home
* I really want to re-read some books/series

I went to the post office today to send my secret santa, and then when walking home I thought "oh, if I turn here instead of there, I'll walk home past the library, can just take a look, but not bring anything"
Yeah, right ::)
Ben Aaronovitch, Whispers underground
Emma Newman, Any other name (Split worlds 2, the new edition just come in)

ARGH, such self-control!!! >:(

 ;D

Edit: and to avoid paying delivery costs on a present on Amazon, I bought 2 more books ::)
Fight like a girl - short stories anthology by female fantasy writers
Witches abroad, Pratchett - because I want to expand my witches knowledge ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on December 10, 2016, 10:38:20 PM
All these talks of novels over 4 or 500+ pages being "too big" made me think about something.

How come with have short story, novelette, novella, and novel, but not upward limits?

So here I propose, for books over 500 pages, let's use this new word :

NOVELLOR
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on December 10, 2016, 11:09:42 PM
Novelette, Novella, Novel, Tome!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on December 10, 2016, 11:27:28 PM
In french, "un tome" is a divided piece of work, wanted by the author, as opposed to a 'volume', which is a physical division.
So one book can be made out of several "tome". You'd call them parts, I guess.

So the word bothers me.
Besides, the english definition is "a book, especially a large, heavy, scholarly one: a weighty tome."

But it's still a book, not "any book over 500 pages".

Besides, stop a second, how awesome does "Novellor" sound?

NOVELLOR, DIMMER OF EYES, DESTROYER OF TIME, BRINGER OF THE NEVERENDING WORLDBUILDING, CUSHION OF THE THOUSAND SLEEPLESS NIGHT!!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: DrNefario on December 11, 2016, 10:19:51 AM
The names get two characters shorter as the story gets longer, so it should clearly be a NOV.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nighteyes on December 11, 2016, 11:46:52 AM
Bea's library adventures... ::)

Starting point:
* I'm just around 1/3 into a big book, plus reading 2 non-fiction ones at the same time (those where you can just read a few pages then drop it for later).
* I have 3 unread new books at home
* I really want to re-read some books/series

I went to the post office today to send my secret santa, and then when walking home I thought "oh, if I turn here instead of there, I'll walk home past the library, can just take a look, but not bring anything"
Yeah, right ::)
Ben Aaronovitch, Whispers underground
Emma Newman, Any other name (Split worlds 2, the new edition just come in)

ARGH, such self-control!!! >:(

 ;D

Edit: and to avoid paying delivery costs on a present on Amazon, I bought 2 more books ::)
Fight like a girl - short stories anthology by female fantasy writers
Witches abroad, Pratchett - because I want to expand my witches knowledge ;D

Witches Abroad is so good!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on December 12, 2016, 10:12:00 AM
I get really annoyed at the "best of 2016" lists I already see floating around.
There's still 3 weeks left in the year to read and maybe find a 'better' book, wait for January people!!

Glad the forum knows this ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on December 12, 2016, 02:39:28 PM
I get really annoyed at the "best of 2016" lists I already see floating around.
There's still 3 weeks left in the year to read and maybe find a 'better' book, wait for January people!!

Glad the forum knows this ;D

*Decides not to make the new thread he was going to make today*
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on December 15, 2016, 10:51:22 AM
I wish there was a site which gave detailed plot 'summaries' (more focus on the 'detail', less on the 'summary'), for people who read series spread out and can't remember what happened in book 1 when they're starting book 2 (and so on).

Some authors do a summary at the beginning of later books, and that's quite good, but not all.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on December 15, 2016, 12:07:16 PM
I think it was @m3mnoch who once sent me a link to such a website, though it was for wheel of time. Maybe he knows more of them?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on December 15, 2016, 12:58:01 PM
I wish there was a site which gave detailed plot 'summaries' (more focus on the 'detail', less on the 'summary'), for people who read series spread out and can't remember what happened in book 1 when they're starting book 2 (and so on).

Some authors do a summary at the beginning of later books, and that's quite good, but not all.

I wish they all did those little summaries at the beginning.  Most of the time if I don't quite remember everything I just go to Wikipedia and see what they have down.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: xiagan on December 15, 2016, 01:39:34 PM
Tor has some really good rereads/read alongs from some popular series. Usually coming out just before the next volume is released. I remember the Wheel of Time one but there were others too. Didn't Marc do one a few years back? And Pornokitsch too?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Arry on December 15, 2016, 02:09:48 PM
Tor has some really good rereads/read alongs from some popular series. Usually coming out just before the next volume is released. I remember the Wheel of Time one but there were others too. Didn't Marc do one a few years back?
I know Marc did a read of The Passage with Gollancz. I dont know if he did a Tor.com one as well


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And Pornokitsch too?
Yes, he The Folding Knife and Dragonlance. Not together.  :D

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: m3mnoch on December 15, 2016, 02:24:23 PM
I think it was @m3mnoch who once sent me a link to such a website, though it was for wheel of time. Maybe he knows more of them?

the wheel of time one over on thonky is the best, best, best!  it basically devotes a summary paragraph to each and every chapter and you can dump it into one big document.  it's awesome:
http://www.thonky.com/wot/

unfortunately, i haven't seen that for anything else.  granted, i haven't looked very hard.  but, i'll probably go looking when i get back to lightbringer stuff.

here's the tor.com one xiagan was talking about:
http://www.tor.com/series/?sort=title

it's way more editorialized and varies in detail, but they've got a bunch of different series, so it's better than nothing.  for example --

dragonlance:
http://www.tor.com/series/dragonlance-reread/

elric:
http://www.tor.com/series/the-elric-reread-on-torcom/

harry potter:
http://www.tor.com/series/the-harry-potter-reread/

lotr:
http://www.tor.com/series/lotr-reread/

malazan:
http://www.tor.com/series/malazan-reread-of-the-fallen/

wheel of time:
http://www.tor.com/series/wot-reread/
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on December 15, 2016, 02:59:04 PM
Yeah, usually the 'big series' are ok for this, but not the far less known books.
And it didn't need to be as detailed as the Passage readalong, that's almost a book in itself, hehe

In my current case, I wanted Emma Newman's Between two thorns.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Rostum on December 23, 2016, 07:01:42 PM
Brought a copy of Waterstones book of the Year. The Essex serpent historical fantasy my reasoning. It was Pretty

(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbd13books.files.wordpress.com%2F2016%2F06%2Fmethode_times_prod_web_bin_3802deb2-21d5-11e6-8644-041f71209e1f.jpg%3Fw%3D389%26h%3D584&f=1)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on January 04, 2017, 02:18:26 AM
My local bookseller's list of new books coming out in 2017 included this book, so I found a link.

https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2016/10/new-tolkien-book-beren-and-luthien/

I am lover of LotR for many reasons, have read Silmarillion, once only certainly, and in the past several other books analysing and discussing Tolkien's work.  I have now less interest,  but appreciate that dedicated Tolkien lovers can become enthusiastic to the point of learning and writing Elvish and eager for more.

So, with genuine respect and in spirit of curiosity only, isn't there some degree of scraping a commercial barrel going on here?
Would be interested to hear views.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on January 04, 2017, 02:23:30 AM
My local bookseller's list of new books coming out in 2017 included this book, so I found a link.

https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2016/10/new-tolkien-book-beren-and-luthien/

I am lover of LotR for many reasons, have read Silmarillion, once only certainly, and in the past several other books analysing and discussing Tolkien's work.  I have now less interest,  but appreciate that dedicated Tolkien lovers can become enthusiastic to the point of learning and writing Elvish and eager for more.

So, with genuine respect and in spirit of curiosity only, isn't there some degree of scraping a commercial barrel going on here?
Would be interested to hear views.

I've heard that this story is one the tales that are already presented in the Silmarillion. Is that true? I agree with your point on the commercial barrel idea. As long as books had tags of famous authors, readers will definitely flock to them without a second thought. Sometimes without even reviewing on what the story was about lol (look at me buying Cursed Child and almost buying Fantastic Beasts screenplay without checking their reviews for example)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on January 04, 2017, 03:35:37 AM
I've heard that this story is one the tales that are already presented in the Silmarillion. Is that true? I agree with your point on the commercial barrel idea. As long as books had tags of famous authors, readers will definitely flock to them without a second thought. Sometimes without even reviewing on what the story was about lol (look at me buying Cursed Child and almost buying Fantastic Beasts screenplay without checking their reviews for example)

I thought it was in Silmarillion as well, but have given away my copy so can't check.

Yes, I fell into the trap of buying the Cursed Child but haven't read it yet. Managed not to buy Fantastic Beasts although the local shops did a good trade in it over Christmas.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: The Gem Cutter on January 04, 2017, 03:52:13 AM
My local bookseller's list of new books coming out in 2017 included this book, so I found a link.

https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2016/10/new-tolkien-book-beren-and-luthien/

I am lover of LotR for many reasons, have read Silmarillion, once only certainly, and in the past several other books analysing and discussing Tolkien's work.  I have now less interest,  but appreciate that dedicated Tolkien lovers can become enthusiastic to the point of learning and writing Elvish and eager for more.

So, with genuine respect and in spirit of curiosity only, isn't there some degree of scraping a commercial barrel going on here?
Would be interested to hear views.


IMHO it might be quite the opposite - the commercial interest opening the door to something that heretofore was considered unprofitable. There are several tales in the Sil. that can function in their own right. This is one, although it is tied to so many things it will be tricky. The successful novelization of the Children of Hurin (excellent story and Tolkien's one true tragedy - and the original dragonslayer all in one) was terrific. Your fears MIGHT be well founded, but I think it will be terrific.

It's a romance-quest, and involves a number of key events in ancient Middle Earth history. It ties to the story of Carcharoth, the monstrous wolf, Huan, the hound destined to die at the hands of the world's greatest wolf, the Sons of Feanor (the worst of them), the setup for the fall of Doriath, and they actually confront Sauron. There's a Rapunzel event; encounters with spiders a la the Hobbit; the greatest leap of men ever, dwarves making priceless jewels for an elven king; and a number of subplots.

Beren's hopeless marriage quest sends him to the throne of the Dark Lord. The real one, Morgoth, not his pet Sauron. Their love story involves treachery among the elves and faithful keepers of promises, spells of power sung in contest, vampires, magical metamorphosis - all the richest and most fantastic elements of Tolkien's world - the likes of which the LOTR doesn't even come close. There's so much action here it's not even funny.

So yeah. Take my money.

ETA:  @Jmack you aware of this??
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lady Ty on January 04, 2017, 04:55:16 AM
Thank you, TGC, for those helpful comments. As it was tied in with so many other stories in Sil, as you explained,  then maybe they have co-ordinated and made it more straight forward to follow. Will look forward to seeing it appear in May.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Peat on January 04, 2017, 07:49:47 AM
While I share Lady Ty's fear - I always would in this situation - it is the one story in the Silmarillion that screams out for a book of its own and where I can believe that there is enough material left over to have a really good fist of it. It is one of the most important stories in the Silmarillion, both in terms of setting the world (it being the marriage Aragorn and Elrond are both descended from), and in terms of the very personal importance to Tolkien himself. Beren and Luthien are inscribed into the gravestones of Tolkien and his wife. Christopher Tolkien has always shown a careful (although not flawless) stewardship of his father's legacy and given that importance, and the wealth of the Tolkien estate, and the fact he's 92 and doesn't really have a lot of use for the money by now anyway... I think the odds of it being completely shameless commercial barrel scraping are acceptably low.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: The Gem Cutter on January 04, 2017, 11:08:58 AM
I was going to mention the gravestones, but I forgot. That is the one pilgrimage I'd like to make in my life before I die. For lack of a desire to wax sentimental, I'll just say his work was a big deal for me.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Ryan Mueller on January 04, 2017, 10:28:13 PM
My musings for the day (kind of reading and writing combo):

I'm currently reading a couple of self-published fantasy novels, both of which have been pretty successful: The Book of Deacon by Joseph Lallo and the second book in Daniel Arenson's Dawn of Dragons trilogy). While they are both generally enjoyable, I see a lot of flaws in them.

And I can't help but feel my own writing is better (which is strange because I'm usually overly critical toward myself). That makes me think that maybe I can find success in self-publishing. Obviously, there are a lot of factors at play, but it's clear your book doesn't have to be perfect to find success. It just has to find the right readers.

Which is not a simple matter by any means.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: tebakutis on January 05, 2017, 12:35:13 AM
And I can't help but feel my own writing is better (which is strange because I'm usually overly critical toward myself). That makes me think that maybe I can find success in self-publishing. Obviously, there are a lot of factors at play, but it's clear your book doesn't have to be perfect to find success. It just has to find the right readers.

Which is not a simple matter by any means.

Yup, "find the right readers" is how I see it, and why I've self-pubbed my own work in the past (but would still take a traditional publishing contract if it was a good one).

As I've mentioned, I do encourage people to exhaust all traditional publishing options before self-pub. If you can get traditionally published, you're a leg up on everyone else. Still, if all those options are exhausted and you *still* feel you have a good book, why trunk a great book? Andy Weir didn't.

Many self-pubbed authors have proven that if you do clever marketing and find an audience for a good book, you can do just as well (or better) than traditional press. It's just like publishing an indie game or an indie record, and you shouldn't let anyone shame you into thinking it's different. You just acknowledge that you'll start with a much more difficult task than if you'd gone traditional.

Coincidentally, I was thinking about this awhile back, and it occurred to me that becoming a famous SFF author is a mountain anyone can climb, if you want to visualize it. It's just really hard to climb it.

So here's my mind's eye visualization. :o

At the peak of the mountain are people like Scalzi with his ten million dollar publishing contract, Stephen King, Neil Gaiman - basically household names or people who get paid huge amounts of money. There's like a club of 10-20 SFF authors hanging out at an exclusive lodge at the peak, sipping hot chocolate.

Then on the ledges below the peak are more lodges, smaller, but still with great views. Maybe 50 SFF authors who are doing well enjoy proximity to the peak (they have no day jobs) and have a nice view from where they are.

Then below that are maybe 200 tents occupied by authors who are making good money and finding an audience, but don't make enough money to quit their day job. No hot chocolate for those folks. They're still working to scale that peak and haven't quite reached the writer lodges.

Then below that are 500 or so traditional published authors who just had their first book published. Will the earn out? Will it sell? Will it find an audience or vanish? Who knows! They've still got a climb ahead, but the "traditional publishing helicopter" dropped them halfway up the peak to start their climb. At least they have a good chance.

Then at the very, very bottom of the mountain, waaay down, are the 1000s of self-published authors who want to make that climb.

Yes, they have to start from the very bottom, and the climb is very hard, and they're literally elbow to elbow with hundreds of people trying to do the same thing. But they're hungry, and if they write well, market well, or get an extremely lucky break (or all three!) they can reach the midway point where the traditional publishing helicopter drops off those published through traditional press, then keep climbing ... but must also realistically accept that they may simply not make it.

Unlike 20 years ago, with today's tech/market, nothing other than your own skill at writing and marketing prevents you from scaling that peak, even if you start at the bottom. Amazon means your audience can find you, if you can find them, and you can sell your book anywhere. You just have to choose your route to publication with a full understanding of how difficult your climb will be.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Ryan Mueller on January 05, 2017, 05:56:45 AM
And I can't help but feel my own writing is better (which is strange because I'm usually overly critical toward myself). That makes me think that maybe I can find success in self-publishing. Obviously, there are a lot of factors at play, but it's clear your book doesn't have to be perfect to find success. It just has to find the right readers.

Which is not a simple matter by any means.

Yup, "find the right readers" is how I see it, and why I've self-pubbed my own work in the past (but would still take a traditional publishing contract if it was a good one).

As I've mentioned, I do encourage people to exhaust all traditional publishing options before self-pub. If you can get traditionally published, you're a leg up on everyone else. Still, if all those options are exhausted and you *still* feel you have a good book, why trunk a great book? Andy Weir didn't.

Many self-pubbed authors have proven that if you do clever marketing and find an audience for a good book, you can do just as well (or better) than traditional press. It's just like publishing an indie game or an indie record, and you shouldn't let anyone shame you into thinking it's different. You just acknowledge that you'll start with a much more difficult task than if you'd gone traditional.

Coincidentally, I was thinking about this awhile back, and it occurred to me that becoming a famous SFF author is a mountain anyone can climb, if you want to visualize it. It's just really hard to climb it.

So here's my mind's eye visualization. :o

At the peak of the mountain are people like Scalzi with his ten million dollar publishing contract, Stephen King, Neil Gaiman - basically household names or people who get paid huge amounts of money. There's like a club of 10-20 SFF authors hanging out at an exclusive lodge at the peak, sipping hot chocolate.

Then on the ledges below the peak are more lodges, smaller, but still with great views. Maybe 50 SFF authors who are doing well enjoy proximity to the peak (they have no day jobs) and have a nice view from where they are.

Then below that are maybe 200 tents occupied by authors who are making good money and finding an audience, but don't make enough money to quit their day job. No hot chocolate for those folks. They're still working to scale that peak and haven't quite reached the writer lodges.

Then below that are 500 or so traditional published authors who just had their first book published. Will the earn out? Will it sell? Will it find an audience or vanish? Who knows! They've still got a climb ahead, but the "traditional publishing helicopter" dropped them halfway up the peak to start their climb. At least they have a good chance.

Then at the very, very bottom of the mountain, waaay down, are the 1000s of self-published authors who want to make that climb.

Yes, they have to start from the very bottom, and the climb is very hard, and they're literally elbow to elbow with hundreds of people trying to do the same thing. But they're hungry, and if they write well, market well, or get an extremely lucky break (or all three!) they can reach the midway point where the traditional publishing helicopter drops off those published through traditional press, then keep climbing ... but must also realistically accept that they may simply not make it.

Unlike 20 years ago, with today's tech/market, nothing other than your own skill at writing and marketing prevents you from scaling that peak, even if you start at the bottom. Amazon means your audience can find you, if you can find them, and you can sell your book anywhere. You just have to choose your route to publication with a full understanding of how difficult your climb will be.

For me, it's also a matter of keeping my expectations in check at first. If I can make back even half the money I put in within a year or so, that's probably enough of a success that I can keep at it and see where it takes me.

It may take a while to climb that mountain, but I think perseverance is key.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on January 05, 2017, 12:13:50 PM
Regarding the daily musings, I had just finished reading The Well of Ascension today. In all frankness I am slightly disappointed with the book, coming straight from the excitement of Book 1. The development of Vin and OreSeur's relationship is rather nice, but the rest of the story, filled with unnecessary politics, drama, and the long span of events where nothing actually happens is quite difficult to digest. The relationships between Vin and Elend, and Vin and the new Mistborn also felt very clumsy and awkward, feeling more like the writer just wanted it there for the sake of romance and dramatic conflict. However, to credit Sanderson, the ending part of the book were in great flavors, packed with action and suspense. The Battle of Luthadel is truly well-written, the people filled with the desperation of an unstoppable koloss attack. The develppment in Sazed's character and action style is phenominal, and probably made him my favorite character of the series at the moment. All in all it was a decent to pretty good ride in the ending part, looking forward to rreading book 3, The Hero of Ages!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Ryan Mueller on January 05, 2017, 05:50:21 PM
Regarding the daily musings, I had just finished reading The Well of Ascension today. In all frankness I am slightly disappointed with the book, coming straight from the excitement of Book 1. The development of Vin and OreSeur's relationship is rather nice, but the rest of the story, filled with unnecessary politics, drama, and the long span of events where nothing actually happens is quite difficult to digest. The relationships between Vin and Elend, and Vin and the new Mistborn also felt very clumsy and awkward, feeling more like the writer just wanted it there for the sake of romance and dramatic conflict. However, to credit Sanderson, the ending part of the book were in great flavors, packed with action and suspense. The Battle of Luthadel is truly well-written, the people filled with the desperation of an unstoppable koloss attack. The develppment in Sazed's character and action style is phenominal, and probably made him my favorite character of the series at the moment. All in all it was a decent to pretty good ride in the ending part, looking forward to rreading book 3, The Hero of Ages!

Somebody on one of the boards I frequent (could be this one) refers to the way Sanderson concludes a novel as the Sanderstorm. Everything comes together so beautifully with all kinds of great action, and you sort of forget some of the book's earlier flaws.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Hedin on January 05, 2017, 06:27:26 PM
I have long thought that Sanderson has the best climaxes of anyone I regularly read and I love the term Sanderstorm to describe them. 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: The Gem Cutter on January 05, 2017, 07:15:26 PM
I am about 75% into the first Mistborn and just love it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on January 05, 2017, 07:21:37 PM
I am about 75% into the first Mistborn and just love it.

Just make sure to not read the second, and definitely not the third.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: JMack on January 05, 2017, 07:46:31 PM
I am about 75% into the first Mistborn and just love it.

Just make sure to not read the second, and definitely not the third.
Ha. I have my problems with 2 and 3, but they were still worthwhile.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on January 05, 2017, 07:59:38 PM
I am about 75% into the first Mistborn and just love it.

Just make sure to not read the second, and definitely not the third.
Ha. I have my problems with 2 and 3, but they were still worthwhile.

I found them such a let down I didn't read any Sanderson for a whole year after that.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: ScarletBea on January 05, 2017, 09:59:55 PM
I am about 75% into the first Mistborn and just love it.

Just make sure to not read the second, and definitely not the third.
Ha. I have my problems with 2 and 3, but they were still worthwhile.
I agree, he can't leave the story halfway...

Note: shouldn't all these things be in the "currently reading" thread? *confused*
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Lanko on January 05, 2017, 10:16:06 PM
I am about 75% into the first Mistborn and just love it.

Just make sure to not read the second, and definitely not the third.
Ha. I have my problems with 2 and 3, but they were still worthwhile.

I found them such a let down I didn't read any Sanderson for a whole year after that.

Quite the same here. The first time was because of Elantris in 2015. The second because of Mistborn 2-3 in 2016, as much as the end twists amazed me. I might go for the new era Mistborn quadrilogy this year.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on January 05, 2017, 11:37:39 PM
I am about 75% into the first Mistborn and just love it.

Just make sure to not read the second, and definitely not the third.
Ha. I have my problems with 2 and 3, but they were still worthwhile.

I found them such a let down I didn't read any Sanderson for a whole year after that.

Quite the same here. The first time was because of Elantris in 2015. The second because of Mistborn 2-3 in 2016, as much as the end twists amazed me. I might go for the new era Mistborn quadrilogy this year.

I found it readable but average. Better than 2&3 but not fascinating or anything...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: The Gem Cutter on January 06, 2017, 01:22:09 AM
I am about 75% into the first Mistborn and just love it.

Just make sure to not read the second, and definitely not the third.
That is the most succinct and most negative rec I've seen around here. Were they so terrible? I just loved the allomancy and Vin's growth and change, and Kelsier and I really want the Skaa to be freed and I want the big Terrisian *sp?* guy to find his people's lost faith and I want the ash to stop falling and... and... and... and... and...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Ryan Mueller on January 06, 2017, 01:37:11 AM
I am about 75% into the first Mistborn and just love it.

Just make sure to not read the second, and definitely not the third.
That is the most succinct and most negative rec I've seen around here. Were they so terrible? I just loved the allomancy and Vin's growth and change, and Kelsier and I really want the Skaa to be freed and I want the big Terrisian *sp?* guy to find his people's lost faith and I want the ash to stop falling and... and... and... and... and...

I personally thought 1 and 3 were at about the same level. 2 wasn't quite as good, but I still liked it quite a bit.

The Alloy of Law era books are quite different. They're meant to be short and fun stories, though they do get more epic as they go along.

Of course, I've yet to read a Sanderson novel I haven't really enjoyed.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: Nora on January 06, 2017, 02:51:02 AM
TGC that's only because you weren't a member yet when I discussed my distress about book 2-3 extensively. Old trodden ground. You will see and judge for yourself. All that matters is that you don't judge him by these two books. I skipped soooo many pages in them. Entire chapters in the third. I could give a wild fart for any of the characters by the end. The first book made me yelp and cry and read through the night. Incomparable.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Musings about Books
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on January 06, 2017, 04:28:36 AM
I am about 75% into the first Mistborn and just love it.

Just make sure to not read the second, and definitely not the third.
That is the most succinct and most negative rec I've seen around here. Were they so terrible? I just loved the allomancy and Vin's growth and chang