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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #480 on: September 14, 2015, 10:38:46 PM »
Yeah Elfy is right, if you get into the first one you won't be able to stop. Especially since we're here to tell you that the sequels are even better!  :P
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #481 on: September 19, 2015, 01:11:33 PM »
I noticed a discussion on magic systems going on, these seem to be essentials. Maybe additional awards for winning the Monthly Contest?

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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #482 on: September 20, 2015, 12:10:53 PM »
I am so looking forward to this book :D :D
An apprentice to Elves, Elizabeth Bear and Sarah Monette, on sale Oct 13

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(although I'm afraid it won't make much sense to those who haven't read the other 2 before - or at least they won't capture all the nuances)
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #483 on: September 20, 2015, 12:26:27 PM »
I think I have to look into this series. All the descriptions and reviews I found make it sound very weird.
But in a good way.  :D
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #484 on: September 20, 2015, 12:50:50 PM »
very weird. But in a good way.
Exactly this!
And I think it also fits into your 'different settings' question (I can't remember if I'd mentioned them...)
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #485 on: September 21, 2015, 08:19:48 PM »
Sorry about the double post, but this is super!
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #486 on: September 21, 2015, 08:43:19 PM »
I especially like the warning.  :)
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #487 on: September 25, 2015, 03:05:08 PM »
Now that I got through the first quarter of Tome of the Undergates, it's actually starting to get interesting. We finally got the plot hook.
I see why it seems necessary to have considerable buildup before the supernatural element gets introduced. But a full quarter of the whole book is really way too much.
Even though I still don't like it, I am already quite excited about writing a review. Should be fun with so many things to talk about.
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #488 on: September 27, 2015, 08:16:14 PM »
It seems to be a new 'thing', hiding that a fantasy book is actually set in a 'post-apocalyptic' version of ours, and giving hints through different items from 'the older races'.

Well, I say 'a thing' but it's just the fact that Mark Lawrence did that with Broken Empire. Fine, it was new, it really fit the story so that was good.
But now Abercrombie too with Shattered Seas? There was really no need, it just annoys me (and I hope it doesn't get developed later - I'm currently halfway through book 2).
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #489 on: September 27, 2015, 08:25:21 PM »
I actually prefer the post-apoc hints over your standard secondary world Fantasy tripe. But what I love about Joe's new series is that he never explicitly says that it's post-apoc, and I think that's the fine line this new wave of authors has to tread.

No, what I hope dies off is the post-apoc story that comes right after the post-apoc event. (Which is nearly every major YA SFF that comes out these days.) That's no fun. I'd rather look at the longer implications of the event rather than your stock totalitarian state that seems to spring from every single one of them.
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #490 on: September 27, 2015, 08:33:02 PM »
what I hope dies off is the post-apoc story that comes right after the post-apoc event. (Which is nearly every major YA SFF that comes out these days.) That's no fun.
Oh, definitely!
I don't touch those with a bargepole (sorry, writers!), but I happily read the others :)
It just bugged me when I noticed :-\
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #491 on: September 27, 2015, 09:10:15 PM »
It seems to be a new 'thing', hiding that a fantasy book is actually set in a 'post-apocalyptic' version of ours, and giving hints through different items from 'the older races'.
This is not a new thing. It's actually a pretty old thing. And I absolute hate it. To me it's almost as bad is "It was just a dream". It retroactively ruins the entire story for me and makes it impossible for me to enjoy it. If I know that this is the case, I refuse to look at the story entirely.

When you start a story you are making a promise to the audience. Breaking that promise is absolutely unacceptable. Actively decieving the audience is unforgivable.
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #492 on: September 27, 2015, 10:07:31 PM »
It seems to be a new 'thing', hiding that a fantasy book is actually set in a 'post-apocalyptic' version of ours, and giving hints through different items from 'the older races'.
This is not a new thing. It's actually a pretty old thing. And I absolute hate it. To me it's almost as bad is "It was just a dream". It retroactively ruins the entire story for me and makes it impossible for me to enjoy it. If I know that this is the case, I refuse to look at the story entirely.

When you start a story you are making a promise to the audience. Breaking that promise is absolutely unacceptable. Actively decieving the audience is unforgivable.
In a way, what I'm referring to and the examples I mentioned are slightly different from that trope. The 'earth all along' here isn't used as a solution or an explanation, but rather just the background/world setting.
So while I agree that what you describe *is* a cop-out, I may actually mean something different.

Oh dear, I'm not making much sense, am I? ::)
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #493 on: September 27, 2015, 10:22:50 PM »
It seems to be a new 'thing', hiding that a fantasy book is actually set in a 'post-apocalyptic' version of ours, and giving hints through different items from 'the older races'.

Well, I say 'a thing' but it's just the fact that Mark Lawrence did that with Broken Empire. Fine, it was new, it really fit the story so that was good.
But now Abercrombie too with Shattered Seas? There was really no need, it just annoys me (and I hope it doesn't get developed later - I'm currently halfway through book 2).
The first fantasy book I remember doing that was Sword of Shannara by Brooks. There's also been hints that the world in Wheel of Time is ours many years after some apocalyptic event. I think John Christopher did it in one of his series and Obernewtyn is also set in that kind of world, in fact Broken Empire reminded me very much of the setting for Obernewtyn. I like the way both Steven Boyett in Ariel and Elegy Beach and SM Stirling in his Change books have the apocalypse be something we don't expect. In Boyett's books it's technology being replaced by magic and with Stirling all advanced technology simply stops working.
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Re: Miscellaneous Musings
« Reply #494 on: September 28, 2015, 08:15:27 AM »
Soon after the bit that made me write my first post on this, I came to a scene that seemed copied out of Indiana Jones (the Raiders one). Ok, not, copied, but inspired by, based on,...
There it made me laugh, because the audience knew the setting - here in the book it just made me groan ::)

But to be fair to Joe - the audience of these books are people whose parents were young when that movie was first released, so..
I think I'll stick with non-YA in the future :-\
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