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John Gwynne - The Faithful and the Fallen
« on: December 31, 2015, 10:08:17 AM »
And I'm finishing the year with a bang :D
(there are still 40 pages to go, but I had to take a rest, the emotion was just too much hehe - I'll finish it later today...)

I reall loved book 1, Malice, and I can't wait to read the others. Unfortunately this will be another series where I binge read the first 3 then have to wait for the last book (he's expecting "towards the end of 2016"...), but, oh well. Totally worth it.

The funny thing is, I can't even pinpoint exactly why I enjoy it so much. It's not exactly 'totally new plot', it doesn't have 'beautiful language', but the characters and the story are really gripping, I'm 'there' with them every step of the way.
It's people growing up, coming into their roles, it's wars and kings and giants and secret armies and a prophecy nobody really understands.
It's got the 'good vs. evil' thing, but with a key twist:
Spoiler for Hiden:
people not knowing they're the Good, and people thinking they're the Good when they're actually the Evil
(sorry, for someone who reads so much, I have a very hard time explaining why I like/love something hehe, I could never be a proper reviewer!)

So, @Kazreemo, you were 100% right. Amazing books ;D
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Re: John Gwynne - The Faithful and the Fallen
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2015, 10:37:10 AM »
Awesome  :)

So pleased you like it!

Book 2, Valour, is amazing, the pace is relentless. It just climbs for 660 pages!

Then you have Ruin which is almost in between the two in terms of pace but by book 3 relationships between your favourite characters come into full swing.

Hope you enjoy!

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Re: John Gwynne - The Faithful and the Fallen
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2015, 11:41:51 AM »
Maybe I get round to reading this series in the next year I always hear good thing about this novels I'm surprised there's not a topic here of his books already
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Re: John Gwynne - The Faithful and the Fallen
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2015, 05:18:29 PM »
I liked Malice, but it was a bit rough in places. I thought the pacing was a bit off. I loved Valor. I still need to read Ruin.

To me, the series feels like a modern update on the Belgariad. It plays with a lot of the same tropes but uses them in a much more modern and complex manner.

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Re: John Gwynne - The Faithful and the Fallen
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2015, 05:27:42 PM »
I liked this series and thought it was all pretty good, i agree that the pacing was bit off in Malice but Valour and Ruin make up for this really well.  Really looking forward to the fourth book!
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Re: John Gwynne - The Faithful and the Fallen
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2015, 06:42:19 PM »
Wow, if people think Malice was slow, I hope I manage to breathe during Valour ;D
Are you the type that thinks Robin Hobb is too slow? Because I love her pace, and thought Malice was just right.
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Re: John Gwynne - The Faithful and the Fallen
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2015, 10:05:21 PM »
Wow, if people think Malice was slow, I hope I manage to breathe during Valour ;D
Are you the type that thinks Robin Hobb is too slow? Because I love her pace, and thought Malice was just right.

In Malice, I found that the last third of the book had great pacing, but Gwynne seemed to shove almost everything important into that last third. In Valor, there were more mini-climaxes instead of just having one big one at the end (which I personally like better).

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Re: John Gwynne - The Faithful and the Fallen
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2016, 01:49:24 AM »
Good recommendations for  a new series I was looking for. To liken it to a modern, and presumably more adult, Belgariad can only be a plus, so this will be my first  fantasy of 2016 - thanks all of the  :)above
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Re: John Gwynne - The Faithful and the Fallen
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2016, 10:05:05 AM »
I am probably one of the biggest fans of this series. I have 5 different versions of Malice :-) but even I do tell people it starts slow. The last third of the book is as many have said where you are rewarded and the next book, Valour (Valor for my colonial friends) is a different story. I found the pace just got faster and faster to the point where I'm certain I missed bits resulting in two further rereads.

Regardless of pacing I just bloody love them! In todays grimdark market I find a modern (ish) take on the epic with a clear love of military history and tactics very refreshing.
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Re: John Gwynne - The Faithful and the Fallen
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2016, 03:59:54 PM »
Just bought Valour :D
Although I'm annoyed because one corner got quite wet in the rain and my attempts to cover me, my niece and my carrier (which also included.2 books with dragons hehe) with a little umbrella
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Re: John Gwynne - The Faithful and the Fallen
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2016, 04:32:59 PM »
Ohmygawd, I just finished Valour!
I loved it so much :D :D
I understand now what people meant when you said the pace was more even in this book, but I think that it makes perfect sense when you look at them as a series.
It'd been a while since I'd read such an amazing story :D

I honestly hate that it gets compared to 'Game of Thrones' ( ::) ) on the cover, because I think it's got as much in common with that book as most other fantasy books, maybe less...

I kept telling myself I'd be able to wait until 10 March for the paperback of Ruin, but I couldn't resist and just placed a reservation for the hardcover at my library, now it's just waiting a few days while they transfer between libraries (my local's book is out on loan).

Spoiler for Hiden:
I can't wait to know what happens with Nathair, now that he finally know he's not the Bright Star he always thought he was.
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Re: John Gwynne - The Faithful and the Fallen
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2016, 01:06:12 AM »
I have Ruin sitting on my table. I'll probably start reading it next week.

I really do think this has the potential to go down as one of the best modern fantasy epics. The more I think about it, the more it feels like the Belgariad done right.

I'd say this series has much more in common with more classic fantasy in the type of story it tells. However, the way of telling that story is more in line with Game of Thrones.

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Re: John Gwynne - The Faithful and the Fallen
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2016, 04:31:44 AM »
Such a fantastic series. I love it. John manages to give the readers just that briefest moment of hope before snatching it away and forcing you to wait on the next book with baited breath.

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Re: John Gwynne - The Faithful and the Fallen
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2016, 08:44:13 AM »
Well, Wrath is now fully written, so I have high hopes of it still being published this year, even if towards the end.
(and what a great Q4 then, with this ending plus Lightbringer ending!!!)
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Re: John Gwynne - The Faithful and the Fallen
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2016, 11:04:49 AM »
Another fan here.  Malice exceeded expectations and looking forward to Valour, but have others to read first. Pleased  to hear about Wrath, thanks, ScarletBea expected this to be only a trilogy.
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