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Re: Is Sword & Sorcery outdated? And how can it move forward?
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2016, 10:52:55 AM »
That's a very interesting view of Howard's "racism, sexism", etc.  You make me want to go back and read some more to see whether I align with your argument.

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Re: Is Sword & Sorcery outdated? And how can it move forward?
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2016, 10:57:47 AM »
It's not so obvious when you just grab a Conan story or two. Some of the things he wrote in correspondence with other writers provide a lot of context to how he was thinking about those things. With that in mind, the stories look quite different from first impressions.

I recommend reading the hilariously titled stand-alone story Pigeons from Hell. Widely considered one of his best and with some interesting examinations of both women and blacks in early 20th century Texas.

Here's a pretty good, extensive article on the subject.
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Re: Is Sword & Sorcery outdated? And how can it move forward?
« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2020, 08:41:44 AM »
I think "traditional" S&S is outdated, but so is a lot of traditional Epic or Heroic Fantasy. I don't think there's anything inherent in S&S that makes it hard to update to the modern era

Is Epic fantasy really outdated? seems to be a new trilogies released each month to me anyway.
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