February 26, 2020, 05:00:55 PM

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Is Grimdark still popular?

Yes
7 (53.8%)
No
1 (7.7%)
I don’t care ,I just love voting on polls
2 (15.4%)
I don’t care either , I never read Grimdark in the first place
3 (23.1%)

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Is Grimdark still popular ?
« on: December 23, 2019, 08:07:28 AM »
There’s Not much grimdark I do enjoy, I do think Joe Abercrombie writing is far superior to other writers who write grimdark. The rest all seem to be sub par tribute acts to Abercrombie.

Unless you can count kJ Parker as grimdark  ;) I know we all have different views when it comes to grimdark. Also I love Glen Cook black company but I see that more as military fantasy myself.

Where do you see grimdark going in the future? Will it go the same way as S&S
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2019, 10:44:04 AM »
I like grimdarks :)
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2019, 11:29:20 AM »
I have to be in the right mood to read a grimdark book, especially as I'll read a whole series back to back - that's a lot of grimness in one go.

I like the 'realism' they bring to the stories - life is gritty and our capacity for violence and cruelty is impossible to measure.

I do think there's a scale though, not all grims are created as dark.

That said, I vastly prefer lighter reads.

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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2019, 01:08:51 PM »
Not a big fan of the genre but must note that Ed McDonald got the biggest advance for a first time fantasy author that I've heard of in some time and he's Grimdark, so clearly the publishers don't think it'll vanish anytime soon.
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Re: Is Grimdark still popular ?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2019, 04:44:30 PM »
See, I don't really think Ed is pure grimdark. Loads of redemption and hope in his books...
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2019, 04:49:07 PM »
Grimdark should not even be a category. It's a writing style like YA. Categories are themes like S&S, Steampunk etc.

As to OP...realism (violence/sex) is on upswing in fantasy books, mostly GoT influenced.
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2019, 06:02:50 PM »
See, I don't really think Ed is pure grimdark. Loads of redemption and hope in his books...

Having just read the first two of those, with the third on my bedside table I'd have to agree. It's gritty but there isn't that much real darkness in it, the characters are grim and believable but there's a lot of compassion in them.

@ScarletBea On that note, it got me thinking of the Low Town trilogy. f you've read it, where would you consider that on the scale?

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Re: Is Grimdark still popular ?
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2019, 06:15:05 PM »
I haven't read that one, sorry.
A true current grimdark, in my opinion, is Anna Stephen's trilogy.
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2019, 06:26:31 PM »
Too difficult to answer this question. Not only because there's too little agreement on what constitutes grimdark, but also how do we measure "popular"? Number of sales? Pretty much any genre of fantasy is going to have sales in the thousands on up. How many marks the line between popular and not popular?

Not a fan of the genre myself, no not even Abercrombie.
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Re: Is Grimdark still popular ?
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2019, 06:29:02 PM »
I wouldn’t call low town grimdark myself.

Funny that theres not many grimdark fans here on this forum , it’s not popular at all 😛 at least on  here
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Re: Is Grimdark still popular ?
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2019, 06:35:18 PM »
Do you think I would like Ed McDonald novels?
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Re: Is Grimdark still popular ?
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2019, 07:22:01 PM »
Do you think I would like Ed McDonald novels?
I think you might, as you enjoyed City of Stairs.
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2019, 06:35:52 AM »
Should the book be in dark mood entirely for it to be considered as Grimdark or do things like redemption nullifies grimdark?
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Re: Is Grimdark still popular ?
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2019, 07:12:49 AM »
http://bestfantasybooks.com/best-grimdark-fantasy-books

Robin Hobb comes in at 11 on that grimdark list, Malazan at 4 and Scott Lynch comes in at 12 out of 50

The Witcher is the 18 entry on the grimdark list.

Low town at 9

@cupiscent must be number one fan of grim dark as she loves Robin Hobb,Low Town and Scott Lynch and KJ Parker ;)
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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2019, 08:40:28 AM »
Should the book be in dark mood entirely for it to be considered as Grimdark or do things like redemption nullifies grimdark?
I thought grimdark is supposed to be misery porn. If there is any hope or good, it would be just dark fantasy at the most.
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