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Hope And Red by Jon Skovron
« on: August 24, 2016, 09:18:51 AM »
Hope And Red is the most fun book I’ve read in 2016 and one of the first I will recommend to people, from now on, who ask for a book similar to that of Scott Lynch’s Gentleman Bastards series or Brent Weeks’s Night Angel trilogy...

http://fantasy-faction.com/2016/hope-and-red-by-jon-skovron

Anyone read it yet? Excited to see where the second book goes...
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Re: Hope And Red by Jon Skovron
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2016, 09:31:22 AM »
Very interesting review.

Also might be for @Jmack

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Hope And Red has an array of characters you will enjoy getting to know. Perhaps my favourite is Sadie The Goat (who is not a goat, btw). She is probably the most foul mouthed character I have ever met in a Fantasy novel (and I’ve met some vile characters!)
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Re: Hope And Red by Jon Skovron
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2016, 10:45:43 AM »
I read it and agree it was definitely fun. I feel like I did have more criticisms for it than most people I know who've read it. I did start to feel like the two main characters were Mary Stu and Gary Stu and I think maybe I wasn't in the right mood for some of the tropes. And the ending seemed pretty rushed to me. But, once again, it was a fun read even with my nit picks about it (I'll definitely read the next one).
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Re: Hope And Red by Jon Skovron
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2016, 11:00:38 AM »
I read it and agree it was definitely fun. I feel like I did have more criticisms for it than most people I know who've read it. I did start to feel like the two main characters were Mary Stu and Gary Stu and I think maybe I wasn't in the right mood for some of the tropes. And the ending seemed pretty rushed to me. But, once again, it was a fun read even with my nit picks about it (I'll definitely read the next one).

I thought Nettles was going to turn out to be Hope at the start. In fact, I do kind of wonder if perhaps that was the original plan *grin*. However, it worked very well to have both of them eventually.

I'm not sure I'd call the ending 'rushed', but I'd call it 'overly convenient'. I guess I overlooked it and accepted it based on what I discussed in the review though: it kind of had to be in order to keep the fun, pacing and length. I can't go into it without really spoiling things for those who are yet to pick it up, but if they'd made the ending more realistic I think you'd need another hundred or two hundred pages to form the new bonds and I think the book at 600 pages (ish?) was already pushing the boundaries of a first book with that kind of lighthearted tone.
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Re: Hope And Red by Jon Skovron
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2016, 11:35:30 AM »

I'm not sure I'd call the ending 'rushed', but I'd call it 'overly convenient'. I guess I overlooked it and accepted it based on what I discussed in the review though: it kind of had to be in order to keep the fun, pacing and length. I can't go into it without really spoiling things for those who are yet to pick it up, but if they'd made the ending more realistic I think you'd need another hundred or two hundred pages to form the new bonds and I think the book at 600 pages (ish?) was already pushing the boundaries of a first book with that kind of lighthearted tone.

I can agree with that. I think if I went in with a better idea of what to expect, I might have done a little better with it. But not knowing, there were many things in that book that felt overly convenient (not solely the ending). But, like you said, I think some of those lend to the fun factor of the book as well. Tropes and predictability are not always a bad thing, that's why they are so common, because they can be used to create a fun story. Even if you know where it's headed, the journey can still be enjoyable.
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