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Title: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: JMack on September 02, 2016, 02:22:51 AM
OK, guys. Here's the poll.
I took all the books with 2 or more seconds, and my own selection of books with 1 vote.
I took only 1 book per offer, so I removed some books where another from that author came in higher.
I added a book I like. Because. I own the poll. >:( ;D

You get 5 votes.
Have fun!
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ultamentkiller on September 02, 2016, 02:31:06 AM
How do you create the poll and not vote :O

Either way, I chose...
The Black Prism by Brent Weeks
Prince of Thorns by Mark Lawrence
The Lies of Locke Lamora by Scott Lynch
The Final Empire by Brandon Sanderson
Promise of Blood by Brian T. McKlellan

For the record, I wanted to write down Theft of Swords by Michael J. Sullivan, and Retribution Falls by Chris Wooding, but I couldn't make it. Also, I was tempted to put down Stormfront by Jim Butcher, but I haven't finished the series yet.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: JMack on September 02, 2016, 02:48:00 AM
Here are my votes:

Locke Lamora
Prince of Thorns
The Heroes
Copper Promise
City of Blades
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Lanko on September 02, 2016, 02:49:48 AM
My votes went for (no particular order):

Prince of Thorns
The Lies of Locke Lamora
Mistborn: The Final Empire
The Copper Promise
Perdido Street Station

It's a very good mix of different approaches to the genre - and actually the only 5 of the list I've read. So I guess Gem Cutter is well served.

Prince of Thorns --> Grimdark. The only first person of the five. If you thought Abercrombie was gritty, then you can't go wrong with Mark Lawrence. The story is really dark, amazing protagonist voice and awesome, awesome prose.

The Lies of Locke Lamora --> Low fantasy? Third-person with flashback chapters through a single character. A genius kid pretty much works his way to lead a gang of thieves that disguises as priests of an order and do cons that would make Yellow Kid, Barnum or Victor Lustig proud. Also extremely funny.

Mistborn: The Final Empire --> High fantasy? Third person with multiple POV. Extremely detailed magic system and worldbuilding. Probably the best plot twists of the bunch as well.

The Copper Promise --> Sword and Sorcery? Third person with multiple POV. A rogue, a knight and a mage walk into a bar... Has the feeling of classical S/S where people explore the world uncovering its secrets, but with a modern touch to update it. Good humor too.

Perdido Street Station --> Weird Fantasy/Steampunk. Third person with multiple POV and one in First. Humans live in a huge city with a lot of other species (giant insects, demons, garudas, robots, etc). Add in not quite so modern technology and a bunch of magic and mix all those races and in a crazy city and you will get Perdido Street Station. It starts with a foul-mouthed scientist having sex with his insect girlfriend and he gets a job to make a wingless garuda fly again. While he tries his experiments, things go a bit wrong...     
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ScarletBea on September 02, 2016, 02:56:27 AM
Prince of Thorns
The Lies of Locke Lamora
Mistborn: The Final Empire
The Copper Promise
Perdido Street Station
Mine are the same as Lanko's except for the last book, where I voted instead for Black Prism (and no prizes to guess who gave it the current second vote.. eh, ultament? ;) )

I think Weeks gives you a really great magic system, fast action, twists that will leave you screaming, and then wanting more and more.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: m3mnoch on September 02, 2016, 03:08:23 AM
pssst.  poll owner.  i believe it's McClellan, not McClennen.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on September 02, 2016, 06:30:20 AM
As Gem Cutters into military Fantasy we should have a topic on that,nominate your best military fantasy.

I just voted for Locke he doesn't need to read anything else.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Lady Ty on September 02, 2016, 07:07:09 AM
Gone with Lanko 's list. Find it hard to leave Pratchett out but somehow it's in a space of its own and like apples and pears.

That is a really top list, useful for future to recommend to new members who ask. Hard to leave some out and stick to five.  Have read 12 on list, all great.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Raptori on September 02, 2016, 09:41:23 AM
So hard to choose! I went with:

Lies of Locke Lamora - Lynch
The Final Empire - Sanderson
Retribution Falls - Wooding
The Black Prism - Weeks
A Shadow in Summer - Abraham

Also wanted to vote for:

The Copper Promise - Williams
Promise of Blood - McClellan
Theft of Swords - Sullivan
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: JamesLatimer on September 02, 2016, 11:03:13 AM
Seems to be a lot missing - haven't even read most of that list, but I do read "modern fantasy". Now and then. I should have probably participated in the nominations!
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Hedin on September 02, 2016, 12:59:06 PM
As Gem Cutters into military Fantasy we should have a topic on that,nominate your best military fantasy.

I would love this.  It wouldn't count for modern but I hope he's read the Black Company books.

My picks were:

Lies of Locke Lamora
Gardens of the Moon
Black Prism
City of Blades
Storm Front

I would have normally gone with Heroes (at the expense of what I'm not sure) but as GC as already indicated that he's read that one it freed up a vote for me.

Wait...why did we go with City of Blades rather than City of Stairs if we were limiting it to first books?  I mean the whole series so far has been very good so I would be voting for it anyways but Blades is the second book.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on September 02, 2016, 01:48:07 PM
As Gem Cutters into military Fantasy we should have a topic on that,nominate your best military fantasy.

I would love this.  It wouldn't count for modern but I hope he's read the Black Company books.


I actually prefer black company to malazan and I love malazan mind you I just love Glen Cook whatever he writes

Go and read black company Gemmy
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ScarletBea on September 02, 2016, 03:58:19 PM
Seems to be a lot missing - haven't even read most of that list, but I do read "modern fantasy". Now and then. I should have probably participated in the nominations!
I do wonder if sometimes we here tend to focus on a select few titles, but when I also notice the very broad interests and suggestions coming out of the nominations thread, I don't really mind that much if people follow this poll as a start and then branch out...
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on September 02, 2016, 04:43:13 PM
Well we could only nominate 2 , I could have nominated a lot more different books.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: night_wrtr on September 02, 2016, 05:39:53 PM
As Gem Cutters into military Fantasy we should have a topic on that,nominate your best military fantasy.

I would love this.  It wouldn't count for modern but I hope he's read the Black Company books.


I actually prefer black company to malazan and I love malazan mind you I just love Glen Cook whatever he writes

Go and read black company Gemmy

I've got the first three Black Company books, just haven't read them yet.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Peat on September 02, 2016, 07:24:58 PM
Gone with Lanko 's list. Find it hard to leave Pratchett out but somehow it's in a space of its own and like apples and pears.

That is a really top list, useful for future to recommend to new members who ask. Hard to leave some out and stick to five.  Have read 12 on list, all great.

I'd never stick Going Postal onto a Best Of list, but I might do with an Important list. It is a fantasy milieu that is very different form the one that most of us have grown up on but is just getting bigger and bigger. But then, arguably, without having read LoLL, LoLL serves the same purpose.

I'd have voted for Night Watch mind. Ah well.

Anyway, I'm not voting as I'm a luddite too and have no idea.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: cupiscent on September 03, 2016, 02:36:34 AM
I'd have voted for Night Watch mind.

Night Watch is a CORKER of a book, hands down, absolutely. Though I do wonder whether it would be as transcendentally amazing without the context of how Vimes got to here (so, as a stand-alone if one hadn't read the rest of the Guards sequence).
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Peat on September 03, 2016, 02:52:26 AM
I'd have voted for Night Watch mind.

Night Watch is a CORKER of a book, hands down, absolutely. Though I do wonder whether it would be as transcendentally amazing without the context of how Vimes got to here (so, as a stand-alone if one hadn't read the rest of the Guards sequence).

An interesting question. Amazing still, no doubt, but transcendentally? Hrm.

I suppose we could ask TGC if he minds being a guinea pig?  ;)
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Lady Ty on September 03, 2016, 03:20:43 AM
I'd have voted for Night Watch mind.

Night Watch is a CORKER of a book, hands down, absolutely. Though I do wonder whether it would be as transcendentally amazing without the context of how Vimes got to here (so, as a stand-alone if one hadn't read the rest of the Guards sequence).

An interesting question. Amazing still, no doubt, but transcendentally? Hrm.

I suppose we could ask TGC if he minds being a guinea pig?  ;)
I wanted to start TGC on Vimes with Guards Guards but there was a time limit of not before 2000 which made this a slightly skewed poll. I put up Going Postal as a Discworld sample that would not need all the back knowledge that makes them so special and to see if he liked the style.

Agree with you both that Vimes books are some of very best and of them Nightwatch brilliant, but it is so much better with knowledge of the now Vimes. Honestly every time I write anything about how great Discworld is, I get a leaky eye still.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: J.R. Darewood on September 05, 2016, 11:08:42 AM
Seems to be a lot missing - haven't even read most of that list, but I do read "modern fantasy". Now and then. I should have probably participated in the nominations!

haha-- I feel you, the list has 2 of my least favorite authors and it's missing 4 of my favorites
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ultamentkiller on September 05, 2016, 03:41:18 PM
I believed most of the major series were covered in the nominations. The ones I hear people rave about anyway. There were several others nominated, but either no one had heard of them, or felt like seconding them. I'm surprised no one seconded Hounded, but it's probably the worst book out of all the Iron Druid books, so it's understandable how you wouldn't want to introduce someone to modern fantasy that way.

Based on the current grouping, I see The Copper Promise grouped with The Black Prism and Retribution Falls. From what I hear, Retribution Falls and Copper Promise have something in common, but Black Prism is way more serious than Ketty Jay. I know  people probably didn't intentionally vote that way, but it's food for thought.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: JMack on September 09, 2016, 10:23:52 PM
All right, Campers!
The vote is over.
40 of us voted! Wow, I really never thought that many folks would.  :)

And the winners of the 5 Best Modern Fantasy (since 2000) Poll are:

> Lies of Locke Lamora: 25 out of 40
> Prince of Thorns: 19
> The Final Empire: 17
> The Name of the Wind: 16
> Heroes: 13

That's certainly a great set, and I doubt many folks would argue that this list of 5 includes very excellent books. (Thought we know Elfy detests one of them.  ;))

Thank you for playing our game!

@The_Gem_Cutter (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=41379), you can now read and report.  ;D
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on September 09, 2016, 11:07:22 PM
Does he detest one of the final five or one that got nominated? I'm so curious now. I'm guessing lies of Locke lamora ;-)
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ultamentkiller on September 10, 2016, 01:23:59 AM
That's certainly a great set, and I doubt many folks would argue that this list of 5 includes very excellent books. (Thought we know Elfy detests one of them.  ;))

Thank you for playing our game!

@The_Gem_Cutter (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=41379), you can now read and report.  ;D
He's not the only one. The other one I don't mind, but it certainly wouldn't have made my list. Either way though, everyone should give these books a try to find out for yourself.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on September 10, 2016, 02:42:57 AM
All right, Campers!
The vote is over.
40 of us voted! Wow, I really never thought that many folks would.  :)

And the winners of the 5 Best Modern Fantasy (since 2000) Poll are:

> Lies of Locke Lamora: 25 out of 40
> Prince of Thorns: 19
> The Final Empire: 17
> The Name of the Wind: 16
> Heroes: 13

That's certainly a great set, and I doubt many folks would argue that this list of 5 includes very excellent books. (Thought we know Elfy detests one of them.  ;))

Thank you for playing our game!

@The_Gem_Cutter (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=41379), you can now read and report.  ;D

I will begin just as soon as I can. I've decided my novel needs some more horsepower, so I am reviewing my library of writing books to devise a new plotline or three. That should take four days and about a billion notecards to get done.

I've read Abercrombie's Heroes (and everything else) so I am 20% there from the get-go. I've purchased the Prince of Thorns but not cracked it open yet, so I'll likely start there.

Thanks so much everyone for your input and advice! You've saved me so much effort. I am an incredibly finicky reader, but knowing I have people to share my experiences with ought to compensate. Besides, maybe if I gave these writers a chance, I might just enjoy myself. And understand, I don't defend my finicky nature, I just struggle with it.

-Gem Cutter
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: JMack on September 10, 2016, 12:32:40 PM
Does he detest one of the final five or one that got nominated? I'm so curious now. I'm guessing lies of Locke lamora ;-)

@Elfy (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1153) adores Lies of Locke Lamora.
He has said many times that Lawrence's "Thorns" books are very, very much not for him.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on September 10, 2016, 01:18:20 PM
I know he love lies, didn't know about thorn through, I thought you were being jokey with lies.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Elfy on September 11, 2016, 12:25:46 AM
I know he love lies, didn't know about thorn through, I thought you were being jokey with lies.
I'm not keen on Final Empire either. People have different tastes and it's wonderful that the genre is so varied now that it can cater for all of them.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Mark Lawrence on September 12, 2016, 09:45:49 AM
Does he detest one of the final five or one that got nominated? I'm so curious now. I'm guessing lies of Locke lamora ;-)

@Elfy (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1153) adores Lies of Locke Lamora.
He has said many times that Lawrence's "Thorns" books are very, very much not for him.

And I thank him for it. Books are sold by passionate responses like that. It continues the conversation and helps an author enormously. I've had more people tell me they bought Prince of Thorns because of the damning review on Tor's site than because of any other review. The more angry the better!   ;D
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Mr.J on September 12, 2016, 11:41:17 AM
That is a pretty stellar list I may say, and I think I'd push Going Postal to be the sixth frankly, Pratchett deserves it.

And I've ready every one apart from The Final Empire, will have to dive into that before the end of this year I think.  ;D
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Arry on September 12, 2016, 03:21:10 PM
Does he detest one of the final five or one that got nominated? I'm so curious now. I'm guessing lies of Locke lamora ;-)

@Elfy (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1153) adores Lies of Locke Lamora.
He has said many times that Lawrence's "Thorns" books are very, very much not for him.

And I thank him for it. Books are sold by passionate responses like that. It continues the conversation and helps an author enormously. I've had more people tell me they bought Prince of Thorns because of the damning review on Tor's site than because of any other review. The more angry the better!   ;D

Elfy has never been angry and definitely not damning, always very tactful that the book is just not what he likes to read :) And it is really quite different from the books he loves and recommends, so its definitely in line with what I would expect him to say. There's a huge range of styles and tones for books in the genre. something for everyone, which is great :)
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ScarletBea on September 12, 2016, 03:26:10 PM
There's a huge range of styles and tones for books in the genre. something for everyone, which is great :)
I agree 100%! :D
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on September 12, 2016, 03:32:48 PM
I am reminded of the cave-painting scene in Mel Brooks' History of the World featuring the "birth of the critic."
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Hedin on September 12, 2016, 04:02:37 PM
There's a huge range of styles and tones for books in the genre. something for everyone, which is great :)
I agree 100%! :D

I disagree 100%.  Everyone should like only what I like (because obviously what I like is the best)!
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Mark Lawrence on September 12, 2016, 06:13:22 PM
Does he detest one of the final five or one that got nominated? I'm so curious now. I'm guessing lies of Locke lamora ;-)

@Elfy (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1153) adores Lies of Locke Lamora.
He has said many times that Lawrence's "Thorns" books are very, very much not for him.

And I thank him for it. Books are sold by passionate responses like that. It continues the conversation and helps an author enormously. I've had more people tell me they bought Prince of Thorns because of the damning review on Tor's site than because of any other review. The more angry the better!   ;D

Elfy has never been angry and definitely not damning, always very tactful that the book is just not what he likes to read :) And it is really quite different from the books he loves and recommends, so its definitely in line with what I would expect him to say. There's a huge range of styles and tones for books in the genre. something for everyone, which is great :)

I'm just pleased that there are people making regular mention of the book five years after publication.  Oscar Wilde summed the situation up for us very well.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on September 16, 2016, 08:50:14 PM
Woops! I got about 10% into Prince of Fools before I realized I had stumbled off of @Jmack (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094) 's carefully crafted Golden Brick Road ... so I just bought the Prince of THORNS - and I am about to embark.

I find it interesting to post this right after the author himself has posted on the thread leading to my two purchases of his books. This is a first for me - I've never had any interaction / connection to an author of anything I've ever read.

I will try to behave. The only celebrities I've interacted with have been actors and heroes - and I found the former disappointing and the latter delightful, albeit intoxicating (literally - statistically speaking, Medal of Honor Recipients can drink me under the table).

Now where was I? Ah, yes... Ravens!
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Lanko on September 16, 2016, 08:53:03 PM
All hail to the Emperor!
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on September 16, 2016, 10:09:58 PM
So I'll report every so often as I progress, as directed by Jmack. This is awkward as I am the only one who has not read these books, but so far I am very impressed. I am actually being understated - I think I'm going to love these books.

In the several months since my arrival here at F-F, I have heard references to the Prince of Thorns and its follow on novels, and I attributed much of the enthusiasm to ... something other than the text. Call me skeptical or contrary, but the applause seemed too loud. I'm actually flabbergasted surprised. I'm a finicky SOB when it comes to books. I don't follow trends, and I sure as hell don't follow recommendations - but Jmack's been a nice guy and his insights in our interactions have been ... wise, so I listened. And I am exceedingly impressed.

Jorg is as unique and well-crafted a character as I've ever seen, and I find myself enjoying his Machiavellian / sociopathic / psychopathic nature. I'm sure that says all kinds of good things about the author and all kinds of terrible things about me - but after a life with killers and hard men, I feel oddly at home. I like this guy. Hell, I think I know this guy.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Raptori on September 16, 2016, 10:18:03 PM
I am the only one who has not read these books
Incorrect!  :P I've not yet read Prince of Thorns, or anything by ML actually, and there are definitely others. It's on my TBR list though.

Since you haven't read much modern fantasy I suspect you'll often feel amazed at the level of quality. There really is some awesome stuff out there. Some of the most recommended ones do have flaws, but they invariably make up for it elsewhere. Sanderson is the perfect example of that - characters aren't usually stellar, prose isn't great, but his plots and worlds are incredible.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on September 16, 2016, 10:38:14 PM
I am the only one who has not read these books
Incorrect!  :P I've not yet read Prince of Thorns, or anything by ML actually, and there are definitely others. It's on my TBR list though.
What are books?  ???

 :P
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Raptori on September 16, 2016, 10:42:51 PM
I am the only one who has not read these books
Incorrect!  :P I've not yet read Prince of Thorns, or anything by ML actually, and there are definitely others. It's on my TBR list though.
What are books?  ???

 :P
Beats me!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/KYNywoibU1PQ4/giphy.gif)

Been wondering about that for a while. Let me know if you find out!
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Lanko on September 17, 2016, 01:13:51 AM
Get out of here, you!

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Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on September 17, 2016, 05:39:38 AM
I'm just pleased that there are people making regular mention of the book five years after publication.  Oscar Wilde summed the situation up for us very well.

I finished the Prince of Thorns in two sittings that exchanged my day and my evening for some excellent entertainment, which I didn't even know that I needed. It was a fine novel that I truly enjoyed.

Presented with this first-ever opportunity to communicate with a writer whose work I've only just now set down, I must say something. I won't bore everyone with my observations or the moments that made me laugh or made me excited - it's enough, I think, to say that they happened, and they happened often.

Instead, I'll simply say "Thank you Mr. Lawrence, for entertaining and delighting me. I really enjoyed your book."
-The Gem Cutter
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Mark Lawrence on September 17, 2016, 05:21:35 PM
I'm just pleased that there are people making regular mention of the book five years after publication.  Oscar Wilde summed the situation up for us very well.

I finished the Prince of Thorns in two sittings that exchanged my day and my evening for some excellent entertainment, which I didn't even know that I needed. It was a fine novel that I truly enjoyed.

Presented with this first-ever opportunity to communicate with a writer whose work I've only just now set down, I must say something. I won't bore everyone with my observations or the moments that made me laugh or made me excited - it's enough, I think, to say that they happened, and they happened often.

Instead, I'll simply say "Thank you Mr. Lawrence, for entertaining and delighting me. I really enjoyed your book."
-The Gem Cutter

Great to hear you enjoyed it, thanks for sharing! Readers often say they enjoyed King of Thorns more, so let's hope it keeps getting better for you.

http://mark---lawrence.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/best-book-in-broken-empire-trilogy.html
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ultamentkiller on September 17, 2016, 05:45:01 PM
Personally, I like Emperor of Thorns the best. King of Thorns had some sections that seemed too much like filler sections to help continue the flashback sequence every now and then.

Yes, I'm being honest about a book when the author may very well read the post. Sue me.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: MammaMamae on September 18, 2016, 01:44:01 AM
This is awkward as I am the only one who has not read these books

Naw, the only one I've read is The Name of the Wind.  None of the others are even on my TBR list.  Just not my taste.  (Was kind of disappointed to not see more women authors represented on this list  :-\ )

That said...some of the books that are on this list I have skimmed to see what the fuss is about and I agree with a previous poster, the quality of writing is very good in many of them, even if they aren't my thing personally.  I think of all the "genres" fantasy is the one that comes close and often surpasses so called "literary" fiction in terms of writing quality and depth. 

No matter what your taste is in fantasy, I think you will find many excellent contemporary books.  Happy Reading!
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on September 18, 2016, 02:48:56 AM
I believe their ambition was only to give me a crash course in modern fantasy in just 5 books. I think there's widespread agreement that female authors are and have been underrepresented in the genre.

If it's any consolation, I am reading Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea Cycles as well.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on September 18, 2016, 03:43:50 AM
You could only nominate two books and I picked two books I thought Gem would love the best regardless of gender, there is a lot of threads on female authors here and I recommend them to people if I thought there would like them I love Rachel Bach but she's not for everyone. Margaret Weis got me into reading with her male friend Tracy Hickman who at the time I thought was female lol.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Peat on September 18, 2016, 05:25:37 AM
This is awkward as I am the only one who has not read these books

Naw, the only one I've read is The Name of the Wind.  None of the others are even on my TBR list.  Just not my taste.  (Was kind of disappointed to not see more women authors represented on this list  :-\ )

That said...some of the books that are on this list I have skimmed to see what the fuss is about and I agree with a previous poster, the quality of writing is very good in many of them, even if they aren't my thing personally.  I think of all the "genres" fantasy is the one that comes close and often surpasses so called "literary" fiction in terms of writing quality and depth. 

No matter what your taste is in fantasy, I think you will find many excellent contemporary books.  Happy Reading!

I ran a similar thing to find me the best of modern fantasy not that long ago (must finish that blog post) and the first thing that struck me was just how few women were nominated on the boards I asked on. More over, if I'd stripped out the three people who nominated the most women, two of them female, there'd have been barely anyone.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on September 18, 2016, 08:26:37 AM
Pardon the length, but I am exhausted from my battle. The King of Thorns lies defeated on my table, but he didn't go down without a fight.

It was a lengthy battle that took all day and night. My back aches from sitting, laying, and pacing throughout my second straight day of doing nothing but reading. My neck aches from my final position: prone on the floor like a child with a new favorite toy. I gave my dog more bones and treats than she gets in a week to keep her busy while my attention was elsewhere.

I am not sure I like this book better than the first - which is not to say I like it less. Far from it. The first has the power of new meetings up close, the rhythms of becoming acquainted with new characters, and surprising revelations on how things are and how they are not. The second has the power of return, a sense of the broadening and deepening of things, and wider views, scope, and consequences.

So I will just say that I loved the first because it was first and it served me well. I loved the second because it was second and fulfilled the promises of its predecessor while making and keeping promises of its own. A terrific read I didn't want to put down. I preferred reading both books to writing my own - if there's a higher compliment, I don't know it.

I learned something very important, and so incurred a debt to @Jmack (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094) along the way. I've been so busy with the writing of my book - the prose, the dialogue, and all of that - that I forgot that I was writing fantasy. Trapped in the very focus I worked so hard to achieve and have remained in for so long, I have been neglecting the chief responsibility of my desired profession - to deliver the fantastic. The shine had worn off all my old favorites; it took something new to restore that magic - and what am I doing if not attempting to make magic?

We'll see if I have the endurance to face the Emperor tomorrow.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on September 23, 2016, 09:43:34 PM
Emperor of Thrones - done!

I really enjoyed the series, and achieved several goals along the way. I wanted to get a feel for newer material in the genre, and I wanted to read more First Person. This makes only two book series I've read in FP POV, the other being Cornwell's Saxon Tales (which I LOVE).

My review on Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/1762059331 (https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/1762059331)

Beyond the pleasure of the books, even on a first-reading, and without pausing to analyze or take notes, I learned a great deal about overcoming the POV's weaknesses and limitations (thank you, Mr. Lawrence!). His plot structure seems the most obvious of these, utilizing flashbacks to sidestep the natural pauses between dramatic moments. There are more subtle techniques for those willing to look at the brushstrokes, as well.

I was very impressed with the quality and consistency of the storytelling, and the story itself was terrific. So yeah, I'm a Mark Lawrence fan.

Not sure what I'll pick next, but I need a break. I read the first two books in two days, and a leisurely 5 or 6 days to read Emperor - really more of a two day thing, with a couple days off between them.

Reading these books gave me the impetus to amp up my tension level in my WIP. About the only similarity between my WIP and this series is the voice/POV, but the energy level in this series was enviable. I re-sequenced and reworked some key reveals, turning a known, minor problem with long-term repercussions into a secret and far more dire thing.

Anyway, great series thanks for the recommendation!
-Gem Cutter
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ScarletBea on September 23, 2016, 10:05:52 PM
Emperor of Thrones
;D
Oh the pervasiveness of modern tv culture...
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Lanko on September 23, 2016, 10:12:31 PM
Yes, one more bows before the world's righteous Emperor!

If you still want first person, I think The Name of the Wind is the only one on the list left (maybe City of Stairs?). I haven't read them myself, but everyone says nobody has a prose like Rothfuss, but that sometimes he gets a bit lost into his prose powers and the story wanders way too much.

The Lies of Locke Lamora is humorous and Locke and his gang are great. The first book will have plenty of highlights. But compared to Mark Lawrence, the first book may feel a bit rough at parts.

Mistborn: The Final Empire focus on very different things. No one deals with magic systems, worldbuilding and plot twists like Brandon Sanderson. However, if like me you go into Mistborn after Prince of Thorns and Locke Lamora, there's no way you will not notice the enormous differences in the characterization and writing (prose, flow and pace). No, it's not bad by any means, Sanderson deliberately chooses to keep his writing as simple as possible to just keep you in the story and world, but it will be noticeable.

Or you could just continue with Prince of Fools  ::)

Emperor of Thrones
;D
Oh the pervasiveness of modern tv culture...

Haha, thank goodness I don't watch the show  ::)
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on September 23, 2016, 10:39:52 PM
Lowtown is first person I think its not on the list through ;-), you really should read Malazan if you into military fantasy along with Glen Cook Black Company series.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: m3mnoch on September 23, 2016, 11:22:18 PM
The Lies of Locke Lamora is humorous and Locke and his gang are great. The first book will have plenty of highlights. But compared to Mark Lawrence, the first book may feel a bit rough at parts.

as a guy who is currently reading lies, i'm super-curious as to what tgc thinks of it.  i vote for that as the next book.

there is sooooo much love for that book on these forums, that i've finally given it a go.  funny enough, my best friend (who i can't seem to get to stick to the forums despite the fact he'd be a stellar contributor) just finished the first and second book, so it's fresh in his mind -- and we're backchannel dialoging as i'm running through it.

i'm withholding my final, majority opinion, but, it seems like one of those very clever first books.

enough so, that it makes me want to research a theory i have about those clever first books.  mainly, they're the stories that (good) authors hash out and thresh and fire in the kiln for years.  filled with all the fabulous things the author has noodled on for years as they fight to get that first one under their belt.

then, after the success, they've got 9 months to write the sequel.  where the first story evolved over a decade, the second one is fast-tracked and ends up sprawly.

in theory, that is.

haven't figured out how to apply objective data to it.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Lanko on September 23, 2016, 11:25:18 PM
I thought about that too, m3m, but it definitely isn't the case for Locke Lamora.

For me Red Seas Under Red Skies is way more polished and way more funny, a major step up with a situation way more complex than the first book.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: m3mnoch on September 23, 2016, 11:35:35 PM
interesting.

cool.  because so far, the only parts i have issue with in lies feels mostly like rookie mechanics stuff.  so, that's good news.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Raptori on September 24, 2016, 12:55:10 AM
Also @m3mnoch (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40419), IIRC the story Lynch really wants to write, the one he's been planning for years and putting all the awesome stuff together for, hasn't yet been told. From what I read, he came to the realisation that that there was so much backstory needed for the real story to make sense that he needed to write a set of origin stories first. I think the true story begins with book four, The Thorn of Emberlain, and continues through to the end of the planned seven books in the series, but I'm not sure about that. Need to look that up again at some point though...
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: m3mnoch on September 24, 2016, 01:00:31 AM
right on.  i totally just passed that on to my friend.

thanks, man!
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on September 24, 2016, 01:20:23 AM
Meh, just a misfire. The brain stores words in first-last letter order. I was tired.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Elfy on September 24, 2016, 04:55:44 AM
The Lies of Locke Lamora is humorous and Locke and his gang are great. The first book will have plenty of highlights. But compared to Mark Lawrence, the first book may feel a bit rough at parts.

as a guy who is currently reading lies, i'm super-curious as to what tgc thinks of it.  i vote for that as the next book.

there is sooooo much love for that book on these forums, that i've finally given it a go.  funny enough, my best friend (who i can't seem to get to stick to the forums despite the fact he'd be a stellar contributor) just finished the first and second book, so it's fresh in his mind -- and we're backchannel dialoging as i'm running through it.

i'm withholding my final, majority opinion, but, it seems like one of those very clever first books.

enough so, that it makes me want to research a theory i have about those clever first books.  mainly, they're the stories that (good) authors hash out and thresh and fire in the kiln for years.  filled with all the fabulous things the author has noodled on for years as they fight to get that first one under their belt.

then, after the success, they've got 9 months to write the sequel.  where the first story evolved over a decade, the second one is fast-tracked and ends up sprawly.

in theory, that is.

haven't figured out how to apply objective data to it.
It's interesting to hear Scott's story about Lies. He may have been thinking about it for a long time, but he decided that he wanted to write a novel and get it published. To that end he joined a writing group and started up a blog which he called something alone the lines  of 'Adventures of a Newbie Writer'. The idea behind it was that he would track his progress and readers could go on the journey with him.
Camorr was created one day when he wrote 'I don't want to create another medieval dirt world' on a cocktail napkin.
He put the first chapter online, a member of his writing group (Matthew Woodring Stover) really liked it and showed it to Simon Spanton (who was at the time an acquiring editor for Gollancz) he too liked it and contacted Scott asking for more. At the time Scott only had the opening chapter. He spent a frantic 72 hours writing another 30 pages, which became the second chapter. On the strength of those two chapters he was offered a contract (he doesn't recommend this as a way to try and land a publishing deal). He then wrote the rest of Lies and by the time that was published was well advanced with the writing of Red Seas Under Red Skies.
The whole Gentleman Bastards sequence is intended to be 7 books all up, but Lies was quite self contained, the subsequent books have been less self contained, although they don't end on A Song of Ice and Fire type cliffs. I think the entire sequence is the actual thing Scott really wants to write.
His pulp science fiction serial Queen of the Iron Sands is quite fun, although very different. You can read the opening episodes, or as much as he's done of it, on his website. It may not be there anymore, but it was.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Mark Lawrence on September 25, 2016, 12:38:35 PM
Emperor of Thrones - done!

I really enjoyed the series, and achieved several goals along the way. I wanted to get a feel for newer material in the genre, and I wanted to read more First Person. This makes only two book series I've read in FP POV, the other being Cornwell's Saxon Tales (which I LOVE).

My review on Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/1762059331 (https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/1762059331)


Great to hear you enjoyed the last book! And as to "Emperor of Thrones"... there was a time that the most common hit on King of Thorns search was from people laughing that a friend or relative had said King of Thorns instead of Game of Thrones  :)
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: JMack on September 25, 2016, 02:09:46 PM
@MammaMamae (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=41362), I too was very struck by the few women authors on our list.

Hmmm, I feel another poll coming on................
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Raptori on September 25, 2016, 03:06:20 PM
@MammaMamae (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=41362), I too was very struck by the few women authors on our list.

Hmmm, I feel another poll coming on................
Risky prediction: Hobb will win.

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Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: m3mnoch on September 25, 2016, 03:19:37 PM
@MammaMamae (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=41362), I too was very struck by the few women authors on our list.

Hmmm, I feel another poll coming on................
Risky prediction: Hobb will win.

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but she's not modern.

in that case, i bet we'd predict jen williams to win.  which, if you think about it, is funny because she writes old-school, sword and sorcery stuff.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Raptori on September 25, 2016, 03:26:24 PM
@MammaMamae (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=41362), I too was very struck by the few women authors on our list.

Hmmm, I feel another poll coming on................
Risky prediction: Hobb will win.

(http://i2.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)

but she's not modern.

in that case, i bet we'd predict jen williams to win.  which, if you think about it, is funny because she writes old-school, sword and sorcery stuff.
Spoilsport. (http://www.en.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/beee.gif)

Yeah, she'd have a very good chance. Also Novik, Jemisin... and now I'm stumped. Apparently almost all the female authors I've read were published before 2000.  :o
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: m3mnoch on September 25, 2016, 04:03:58 PM
@MammaMamae (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=41362), I too was very struck by the few women authors on our list.

Hmmm, I feel another poll coming on................
Risky prediction: Hobb will win.

(http://i2.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)

but she's not modern.

in that case, i bet we'd predict jen williams to win.  which, if you think about it, is funny because she writes old-school, sword and sorcery stuff.
Spoilsport. (http://www.en.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/beee.gif)

Yeah, she'd have a very good chance. Also Novik, Jemisin... and now I'm stumped. Apparently almost all the female authors I've read were published before 2000.  :o

right?!  i was just looking at a list and didn't recognize any of them.  (novik is a great one, tho!)

. . .

wow.  so, i just got lost for half an hour googling jemisin.  it was all about the "can't turn away" trainwreck that is douchecanoe vox day.

anyway.  i'm back.

so, yeah.

we should try and assemble a modern female fantasy writer list!  no hobb or le guin or rowling or mccaffrey.  i'd like to find some quality, new fiction to start bragging to my friends about!
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ScarletBea on September 25, 2016, 04:45:00 PM
we should try and assemble a modern female fantasy writer list!  no hobb or le guin or rowling or mccaffrey.  i'd like to find some quality, new fiction to start bragging to my friends about!
Jen Williams, Anne Lyle, N.K. Jemisin, Naomi Novik, Rebecca Levene, Lucy Houson, Julia Knight, Aliette de Bodard, Elizabeth Bear, Elspeth Cooper, Melanie Rawn.

(the ones I've read in the past couple of years)
 :D
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Raptori on September 25, 2016, 05:15:56 PM
right?!  i was just looking at a list and didn't recognize any of them.  (novik is a great one, tho!)

. . .

wow.  so, i just got lost for half an hour googling jemisin.  it was all about the "can't turn away" trainwreck that is douchecanoe vox day.

anyway.  i'm back.

so, yeah.

we should try and assemble a modern female fantasy writer list!  no hobb or le guin or rowling or mccaffrey.  i'd like to find some quality, new fiction to start bragging to my friends about!
Jemisin is well worth a look if you've never read any of hers! The Fifth Season is the only one I've read, and as a writer it's a brilliant book to read. So much you can learn from it. As a reader the use of second-person made a lot of the book fall flat, and I never connected with the characters, but thought the world was badass; good enough that it hasn't put me off reading more of her stuff though.

Totally agree, would be really interesting to see how it compares to the first list too.

Jen Williams, Anne Lyle, N.K. Jemisin, Naomi Novik, Rebecca Levene, Lucy Houson, Julia Knight, Aliette de Bodard, Elizabeth Bear, Elspeth Cooper, Melanie Rawn.

(the ones I've read in the past couple of years)
 :D
From what I can find, Levene was first published in 1998 (Where Angels Fear) and Melanie Rawn was first published in 1985 (The Rushden Legacy). I can't find anything for Lucy Houson (or Lucy Houston if it's a typo) at all, weirdly!  :P

From my list, the only others not mentioned who qualify are Mary Robinette Kowal, Rachel Aaron, VE Schwab, and Claire North, though none of those are anything close to favourites. Way too short a list!
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on September 25, 2016, 05:19:47 PM
I like Alex Hughes myself and Rachel Bach and Margaret Weis
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Rostum on September 25, 2016, 05:21:00 PM
http://lucyhounsom.com/ (http://lucyhounsom.com/)
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ScarletBea on September 25, 2016, 05:24:49 PM
Jen Williams, Anne Lyle, N.K. Jemisin, Naomi Novik, Rebecca Levene, Lucy Houson, Julia Knight, Aliette de Bodard, Elizabeth Bear, Elspeth Cooper, Melanie Rawn.

(the ones I've read in the past couple of years)
 :D
From what I can find, Levene was first published in 1998 (Where Angels Fear) and Melanie Rawn was first published in 1985 (The Rushden Legacy). I can't find anything for Lucy Houson (or Lucy Houston if it's a typo) at all, weirdly!  :P
Oh, I wasn't counting 'ever' published, just recent books (but ok, then remove Rawn).

And I'm pretty sure Levene's first books were recently out - are you sure that's not a short story in an anthology or something?
And yes, Hounsom, thanks Rostum.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Raptori on September 25, 2016, 05:51:02 PM
Jen Williams, Anne Lyle, N.K. Jemisin, Naomi Novik, Rebecca Levene, Lucy Houson, Julia Knight, Aliette de Bodard, Elizabeth Bear, Elspeth Cooper, Melanie Rawn.

(the ones I've read in the past couple of years)
 :D
From what I can find, Levene was first published in 1998 (Where Angels Fear) and Melanie Rawn was first published in 1985 (The Rushden Legacy). I can't find anything for Lucy Houson (or Lucy Houston if it's a typo) at all, weirdly!  :P
Oh, I wasn't counting 'ever' published, just recent books (but ok, then remove Rawn).

And I'm pretty sure Levene's first books were recently out - are you sure that's not a short story in an anthology or something?
And yes, Hounsom, thanks Rostum.
Pretty sure m3m was talking about using the same rules we used for this, namely that they aren't allowed to have published anything before the year 2000. Hobb's most recent book came out last year, so in the more literal sense she's just as "modern" as any of them!

The Levene one is a standalone novel set in the Dr Who world, apparently. That doesn't make it any less of a novel though!  :D
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: xiagan on September 25, 2016, 08:38:56 PM
@m3mnoch (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40419), your theory with the clever first book is definitely true for Pat Rothfuss and the main reason why book three isn't coming. ;)

N.K. Jemesin's other books are awesome as well. Start with "The hundred thousand kindoms" if you don't want something as experimental as Fifth Season.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Elfy on September 25, 2016, 10:30:48 PM
Jen Williams, Anne Lyle, N.K. Jemisin, Naomi Novik, Rebecca Levene, Lucy Houson, Julia Knight, Aliette de Bodard, Elizabeth Bear, Elspeth Cooper, Melanie Rawn.

(the ones I've read in the past couple of years)
 :D
From what I can find, Levene was first published in 1998 (Where Angels Fear) and Melanie Rawn was first published in 1985 (The Rushden Legacy). I can't find anything for Lucy Houson (or Lucy Houston if it's a typo) at all, weirdly!  :P
Oh, I wasn't counting 'ever' published, just recent books (but ok, then remove Rawn).

And I'm pretty sure Levene's first books were recently out - are you sure that's not a short story in an anthology or something?
And yes, Hounsom, thanks Rostum.
Pretty sure m3m was talking about using the same rules we used for this, namely that they aren't allowed to have published anything before the year 2000. Hobb's most recent book came out last year, so in the more literal sense she's just as "modern" as any of them!

The Levene one is a standalone novel set in the Dr Who world, apparently. That doesn't make it any less of a novel though!  :D
I'll throw Emma Newman, Aliette de Bodard and Cat Valente onto the list.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Lady Ty on September 25, 2016, 11:00:56 PM
How could you forget Eli Monpress, so soon?  ::) Rachel Aaron. Also Zen Cho and VE Schwab.
Waving hello from out in countryside w family where all spring blossoms out and life gentle.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: MammaMamae on September 26, 2016, 01:07:34 AM
@MammaMamae (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=41362), I too was very struck by the few women authors on our list.

Hmmm, I feel another poll coming on................

That's OK  :) - Gem Cutter should probably read most of the books on that list ASAP because they are close to what he is working on...

But if he wants some recs for some ladies....

Jemison Jemison Jemison Jemison  ;D 

The Fifth Season is blowing my mind.  The writing, pacing, world building.  Amazing.

And I love Novik; although all I have read of hers is Uprooted, I loved it.  Also Susanna Clarke and Cat Valente.

Is it weird that I have never been able to finish a Robin Hobb book?  I have tried so hard to like her books and never get past 100 pages.  I actually feel guilty about this.  LOL.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on September 26, 2016, 02:49:00 AM
I've finished all of Mark Lawrence's first trilogy, and I am finishing Cornwell's latest Saxon Tales release, and then I will probably tackle ... I'm not sure. But it will be on this lovingly crafted list.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Elfy on September 26, 2016, 06:43:46 AM
How could you forget Eli Monpress, so soon?  ::) Rachel Aaron. Also Zen Cho and VE Schwab.
Waving hello from out in countryside w family where all spring blossoms out and life gentle.
I think someone else mentioned Rachel Bach, who is also Rachel Aaron. Probably should also add Sophia McDougall to the list. As well as Gaie Sebold, who writes on the lighter end of the scale, but is well worth a read.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Raptori on September 26, 2016, 08:47:48 AM
How could you forget Eli Monpress, so soon?  ::) Rachel Aaron. Also Zen Cho and VE Schwab.
Waving hello from out in countryside w family where all spring blossoms out and life gentle.
I think someone else mentioned Rachel Bach, who is also Rachel Aaron. Probably should also add Sophia McDougall to the list. As well as Gaie Sebold, who writes on the lighter end of the scale, but is well worth a read.
And I mentioned both Rachel Aaron and VE Schwab!
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on September 26, 2016, 10:27:48 AM
Jeese Louise folks!  You've brought up more authors (all of whom have whole collections) than I've read in the past ... uh... ever. My TBR list is huge!
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ScarletBea on September 26, 2016, 10:30:22 AM
Jeese Louise folks!  You've brought up more authors (all of whom have whole collections) than I've read in the past ... uh... ever. My TBR list is huge!
Welcome to my world ;D

When I first joined F-F I was a newbie to fantasy, having read random books here and there.
It was easy to get overwhelmed, but I just plowed on slowly and now I don't mind if there are more books I want to read than time... well, I do mind sometimes ;)
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Rostum on September 28, 2016, 12:12:28 AM
Should probably sticky this. It is going to get linked a lot.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: xiagan on September 28, 2016, 09:59:24 AM
Should probably sticky this. It is going to get linked a lot.
I did it. BUT I want us to make this poll again every year to keep this thread up to date. :)
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ScarletBea on September 28, 2016, 10:24:23 AM
I want us to make this poll again every year to keep this thread up to date. :)
Oh definitely!
I actually think that if you asked me again in a few months I'd already have changed a few hehe

Then again, that's the beauty of it: so many great books, for every type of taste and place in life 8)
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on September 28, 2016, 03:50:41 PM
Should probably sticky this. It is going to get linked a lot.
I did it. BUT I want us to make this poll again every year to keep this thread up to date. :)

It might be interesting to see changes in the list over time. F-F has been around a while and looks like it will be around for the foreseeable future and who knows what interesting things might present themselves as authors crowd out others or stubbornly remain in our minds despite competition?
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: JMack on September 29, 2016, 11:47:23 AM
In 4 years, we'll shift the earliest publication date to 2010 and see what happens.  ;D
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on October 02, 2016, 08:07:19 PM
I went ahead and started the Lies of Locke Lamora, and a third in so far, I am not enjoying it anywhere near as much as Mark Lawrence's books. I am a little disappointed given the higher polling stats, but there's no accounting for tastes.

Is this a slow-grow thing? Does he take time to appreciate? I mean, I don't hate it, I'm just ... nonplussed. Everyone raves about this book and author ... am I missing something?
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ScarletBea on October 02, 2016, 08:38:22 PM
I went ahead and started the Lies of Locke Lamora, and a third in so far, I am not enjoying it anywhere near as much as Mark Lawrence's books. I am a little disappointed given the higher polling stats, but there's no accounting for tastes.

Is this a slow-grow thing? Does he take time to appreciate? I mean, I don't hate it, I'm just ... nonplussed. Everyone raves about this book and author ... am I missing something?
That was actually my reaction when I first read it - a slight 'meh'. A couple of years later I'd read more fantasy and I started looking at it in a different perspective, and decided to give his book 2 a try: I really enjoyed it, and I think that if I re-read Lies now, I would feel differently about it.

But yes, quite different from Mark.
Don't worry about not enjoying it much - there are a ton of books for different tastes :)

If you want some great action fun, go try Jen Williams' books. Or Brent Weeks.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on October 02, 2016, 09:05:52 PM
Well I don't hate it or anything - Lynch has some real strengths and they're not what I consider my strengths, so I'll finish and learn what I can. His unique descriptions and use of setting are very good.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Lanko on October 02, 2016, 10:08:17 PM
I also struggled with the first third of the book. Too many characters, street names and a bit rough at parts, but after that it was smooth sailing.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ultamentkiller on October 02, 2016, 11:04:08 PM
Yeah, his backstory was the only thing that kept me engaged at first. About a third of the way through, the modern storyline takes off, and it's beautiful!
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on November 06, 2016, 09:17:36 AM
I finished Lies of Locke Lamora and what can I say? Another big hit that I really enjoyed. I think it is fair to describe it as an Ocean's Eleven for Fantasy Thieves, with some traits I haven't seen elsewhere.

As an aspiring writer trying to produce a tale of a character with extraordinary powers, I really appreciated Lynch's approach - the little bits about the MC picking up his skills and knowledge, all of that. I'm focused on sorcery, not thievery, but there are some commonalities. Where some might aim for a simple D&D thief, he went further and created a thief/confidence man with the skills to back it up - and that's pretty cool imho.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on November 06, 2016, 09:22:03 AM
Can I ask what changed you mind from earlier when you said you were  nonplussed what turned it round from that to I really enjoyed

Also what will you be reading next from the list?
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on November 06, 2016, 09:29:39 AM
Can I ask what changed you mind from earlier when you said you were  nonplussed what turned it round from that to I really enjoyed

Also what will you be reading next from the list?
You know, I thought about that. And I think it's related to expectations that I brought to the book. Lies takes its time and I was, despite my advancing age and decrepitude (or perhaps because of them!) impatient. I thought I knew what I was getting and wanted to get it. I was wrong. I was getting something else, something that took some chapters to get established, and I'm frankly embarrassed by that. There are times and settings for impatience - but a book? In a fictitious world? If I'm not there to take my time and smell some exotic roses, what the hell am I doing there? ::)

EDIT: As for next, I think I might try the Copper Promise. Time to read a woman's book. It's 4:30 AM and I've been reading one book and editing another since 10 this morning - so don't hold me to anything I say, please. The coffee-fumes are running out  ;D
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ScarletBea on November 06, 2016, 11:08:45 AM
I finished Lies of Locke Lamora and what can I say? Another big hit that I really enjoyed. I think it is fair to describe it as an Ocean's Eleven for Fantasy Thieves, with some traits I haven't seen elsewhere.
Funnily enough, that's also how I described it, but unlike you I wasn't aware that would be what I'd be getting when I started reading, so for a while after reading it I didn't like it much.
However, once I 'expanded my fantasy knowledge' (i.e. read more different books), I looked back and saw it with a much better opinion, and really, really enjoyed book 2 (I haven't read 3 yet).

I know you may still change, but yeah, go for Jen's books, they're fab :D
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: JMack on November 06, 2016, 12:12:23 PM
And no need to patience with Copper Promise. It just sets in rocking right away!  ;D
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on November 06, 2016, 05:17:39 PM
I finished Lies of Locke Lamora and what can I say? Another big hit that I really enjoyed. I think it is fair to describe it as an Ocean's Eleven for Fantasy Thieves, with some traits I haven't seen elsewhere.
Funnily enough, that's also how I described it, but unlike you I wasn't aware that would be what I'd be getting when I started reading, so for a while after reading it I didn't like it much.
However, once I 'expanded my fantasy knowledge' (i.e. read more different books), I looked back and saw it with a much better opinion, and really, really enjoyed book 2 (I haven't read 3 yet).

I know you may still change, but yeah, go for Jen's books, they're fab :D
To clarify, I didn't ACTUALLY have an idea about the book - at all. I avoid that as much as I can, beyond perceptions of a book's entertainment value/quality, etc.  So what I did was assume what the book was about, based on the cover and the first few pages, and when it didn't thrust me into an Assassin's Creed thing in 14 pages, I was nonplussed. In short, the book gave me what I typically want from books - a surprising rendition of whatever it promises, and I damned it for that very thing.

Hence my post-mortem self-examination - I need to do a better job of keeping an open mind and give books time and patience to work their magic. A closed mind and its accessories (assumptions, prejudice, etc.) is not something that only happens to other, lesser minds - it's something we all must guard against in every phase of life - as we learn in our youth, as we mature in middle age, and as we accumulate a life's experience. If we don't, we become a cliché ourselves.
Experience accelerates and intensifies the tendency to assume we've seen a thing before, convinces us that we know what's going to happen, and indeed what's happening right around us. This is useful sometimes, but it comes at a cost, especially when what you're looking for is wonder.

I'll get off my soapbox now, but as the saying goes, an unexamined life is not worth living - and this is what that saying is talking about imho.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on November 06, 2016, 10:14:05 PM
I am now well into the Copper Promise. But tonight's Westworld night, so progress may be delayed.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on February 10, 2017, 07:38:48 AM
I wonder if there be much change if this was done again.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ultamentkiller on February 11, 2017, 12:44:29 AM
We should probably wait to do it a year from the initial poll, kind of like how Reddit fantasy does. It makes more sense that way. You would also have to open up another nominations thread, or just continue on with the current one. I have books that I would want to nominate now that I didn't before.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on July 29, 2017, 05:57:06 PM
Let's make our top 50 list  ;D

@Jmack
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Peat on July 29, 2017, 06:21:04 PM
I wonder if there be much change if this was done again.

I think it would be rather different if we hadn't constructed the initial list around TGC's tastes.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on July 29, 2017, 06:22:13 PM
I wonder if there be much change if this was done again.

I think it would be rather different if we hadn't constructed the initial list around TGC's tastes.

Yes it would have been far better round mine!

I think we need an update from @The Gem Cutter ,did he read them all?
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on July 29, 2017, 07:01:32 PM
I have not read them all, but I did get through these books from the list: Lies of Locke Lamora, The Final Empire, The Copper Promise, Prince of Thorns, Storm Front (Dresden), and The Heroes.

This is partly due to some health issues and distractions, like writing my book, critiquing others' material, writing for the monthly contest and other things. Also, I went beyond the list and read the whole Final Empire series, and a number of other books not on the list whose titles I don't recall.

I am not a voracious reader, unlike some of us, so this is a LOT of books for me. I am more of a re-reader than most people. But despite my failings, the list is a well-balanced template with titles that comprise some of the key subgenres and a variety of styles and approaches - an excellent snapshot of an immense body of literature with countless outriders and distinct works.

ETA: and the discussion on the list was arguably as important to my growth as a Fantasy lover as the books themselves. There are so many more perspectives than I ever considered, and it was eye-opening and just a wonderful exposure to a wide range of tastes.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on July 29, 2017, 07:03:45 PM
Did you enjoy the ones you did read on the list? were there all hits?  :D

if anybody's intrested the only ones I've not read on this list is Pratchett,Mieville and Bennett
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ultamentkiller on July 30, 2017, 04:54:57 PM
In a month, we must retry this.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on July 30, 2017, 05:04:42 PM
In a month, we must retry this.

Round my taste or yours?  ;D
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: ultamentkiller on July 30, 2017, 05:09:41 PM
Mine obviously. Because mine is superior. :P
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: The Gem Cutter on July 30, 2017, 05:56:25 PM
Did you enjoy the ones you did read on the list? were there all hits?  :D

Yes, I enjoyed them all. Some elicited a stronger reaction because they were more 'my thing' than others. Mark Lawrence's, Sanderson's, and Lynch's books were the highpoints for me, for a variety of reason. As a writer, I really admired Lawrence's sophisticated use of flashbacks to solve the old exposition/pacing dilemma; Lynch probably had the strongest characterization - I loved Locke Lamorra; and Lynch's setting and magic were just superb - innovative and interesting. Those that I don't call out had no problems - I just have very narrow tastes, as my contest submissions indicated.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on April 04, 2018, 11:06:03 AM
Inky does this list help you? Someone call him.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: J.R. Darewood on April 04, 2018, 11:37:04 AM
I don't think it's possible.

@S. K. Inkslinger

Oh wait, I figured it out.  The member number can be found in studying the URL of the member profile, then edited into another summon.

@S. K. Inkslinger

In fact, you can play with the display names:

@Eclipsiepoo


@Inkers

Strangely, it appears my jerry-rigged summon caused my initial summon to suddenly work... Or maybe it's b/c I corrected a misspelling
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on April 04, 2018, 12:22:44 PM
And I was just thinking. "Wow, what a amazing coincidence that such a handy thread appeared at the top of the topic list!" Thank you so much @Eclipse and @Bradley Darewood!

The post does increased my interest in Abercrombie immensely. Definitely checking the First Law out now.  :D
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Eclipse on August 14, 2018, 07:48:33 AM
@Slaykomimi

Some books to be put on your tbr list  ;D

Wonder if this list be different if we updated it.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on August 14, 2018, 10:07:39 AM
We really need a new poll. I haven't yet read Lies of Locke Lamora back then and wanted to vote for it now.  :D
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: xiagan on August 14, 2018, 09:36:51 PM
We really need a new poll. I haven't yet read Lies of Locke Lamora back then and wanted to vote for it now.  :D
It doesn't need your vote. ;)
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: J.R. Darewood on August 15, 2018, 01:52:17 AM
We really need a new poll. I haven't yet read Lies of Locke Lamora back then and wanted to vote for it now.  :D
It doesn't need your vote. ;)

The poll can be "How much do you like Lies of Locke Lamorra?"
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Bender on August 17, 2018, 10:13:52 PM
I'll be honest. I've been "reading" Locke Lamora for about a month now and haven't gotten to page 100. Finding it hard to get into it.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: Mark Lawrence on November 24, 2018, 02:27:17 PM
I'll be honest. I've been "reading" Locke Lamora for about a month now and haven't gotten to page 100. Finding it hard to get into it.

I shared your experience but pushed on and after the slow start (where I thought there were some very nice lines) it got much better and I really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on November 28, 2018, 07:00:11 AM
I'll be honest. I've been "reading" Locke Lamora for about a month now and haven't gotten to page 100. Finding it hard to get into it.

I shared your experience but pushed on and after the slow start (where I thought there were some very nice lines) it got much better and I really enjoyed it.

If you ever enjoyed it, you'll have to decide if you would want to stop at book 1. I went through to book 2 and felt quite disappointed, my expectations having been made rather high by the first book. I think I would have a better overall impression of the series if I've read it as a standalone, hahah.  :P
Title: Re: Here it is! The 5 Best Modern Fantasy Poll
Post by: CameronJohnston on November 28, 2018, 08:45:32 AM
I felt the same as @Mark Lawrence about Lies - It was well written but I found it a bit slow and it didn't drag me in. About page 150 it all changes around and whips along at a good pace.