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George R. R. Martin saying "F*** you" in an interview
« on: July 10, 2014, 12:46:51 PM »
So, George R. R. Martin was asked in an interview about the possibility of not finishing ASoIaF and this is how he responded:

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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2014, 03:05:45 PM »
I hope he knocked on some wood after saying that!

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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2014, 05:44:35 PM »
I really can't blame him at this point. I understand being an eager fan and wanting to find out how everything ends, but some people are so unbelievably rude about it. I was reading some "Happy Name Day, George RR Martin" post on facebook a while back and so many of the comments weren't even about his birthday, but about how he was probably going to die soon and had better hurry up writing. It was so messed up. One person's comment even said something like "hurry the **** up and finish the series before you die of FAT". What a way to wish someone a happy birthday. :/

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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2014, 10:31:47 PM »
While I understand his sentiment, he should understand that death happens. I hope he lasts long enough to finish ASoIaF, I would hate for him to not be able to finish his opus.

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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2014, 11:00:56 PM »
I see where he is coming from. No one wants to think about their own mortality and for fans to say 'you might die sooner than your books come out' can't be very nice to hear. Obviously, we must recognise that there is a big difference between that stuff and the 'man, this wait is frustrating' that most fans feel for any movie/game/book.
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Re: George R. R. Martin saying "F*** you" in an interview
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2014, 11:27:02 PM »
While I understand his sentiment, he should understand that death happens. I hope he lasts long enough to finish ASoIaF, I would hate for him to not be able to finish his opus.

But that's the point. Any author can die at any time. There are many writers of successful and unfinished series out there, and yet none of them has felt a portion of the pressure that George R. R. Martin probably feels.

I hope he enjoys a long life even after he's done with ASOIAF. And, if he decides to not finish it and spend the rest of his days filling his face with food and drink, that's up to him.

I love the series, but an author is a person, and that should be above any expectations his readers might have.
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Re: George R. R. Martin saying "F*** you" in an interview
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2014, 01:01:27 AM »
George has been saying this in one form or another for quite a few years now. I can't say I blame him.
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2014, 09:48:46 AM »
I... kind of see both sides on this. People start stories expecting them to finish.

And the series has gotten longer (I feel old, but I was reading it when it was supposed to be a trilogy!), the gap between books has gotten longer, the quality of the books has gotten (arguably) a bit more dubious, the author has gotten more involved with other projects and, fundamentally, there are many more options for grittygrimdarkrealisticlowfantasy readers.

So, yeah, some readers are being dicks. But I have a great deal of sympathy for their frustrations.

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Re: George R. R. Martin saying "F*** you" in an interview
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2014, 10:39:05 AM »
I always feel like the odd one out in these conversations, because for me it's really about the journey rather than the destination - do I care who sits on the Iron Throne at the end? Maybe, but I care more about the characters' journeys in the meantime. George could write another seven books in the series and I would be happy ;)

Also, I don't think it's okay to be unbelievably rude, as some people have been. Yes it's frustrating when you're waiting for the next book in a series you love, but "yo dude hurry up and write before you DIE" is just unpleasant. There are other books - read those for a bit. In the end, do you want a good book, or a rushed book?

But I suspect I'm in the minority there...
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2014, 12:39:36 PM »
I also think that the interviewer bottling the question didn't help... He obviously knew it wasn't fair or appropriate and asked it anyway.
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2014, 05:54:17 PM »
I always feel like the odd one out in these conversations, because for me it's really about the journey rather than the destination - do I care who sits on the Iron Throne at the end? Maybe, but I care more about the characters' journeys in the meantime. George could write another seven books in the series and I would be happy ;)

Also, I don't think it's okay to be unbelievably rude, as some people have been. Yes it's frustrating when you're waiting for the next book in a series you love, but "yo dude hurry up and write before you DIE" is just unpleasant. There are other books - read those for a bit. In the end, do you want a good book, or a rushed book?

But I suspect I'm in the minority there...

I agree about not wanting a rushed book. I'm really excited to see what happens next in the series, but I wouldn't want him putting out a book that suffered content-wise because he felt so much pressure to hurry up and get it out there. (Though, I don't think he'd do that anyway)
I think people also need to remember that his books aren't only 300-500 pages long like most other stories you'll pick up in a book store. They're significantly longer, and instead of just focusing on the storylines of a handful of characters, he has to consider many. Plus, he's approaching end-game territory, and I can see where he'd want to take his time with making it perfect so his series has an amazing ending that satisfies both himself and his readers.

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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2014, 10:27:34 AM »
There was a point where I was frustrated that the books weren't coming out faster, but at the end of the day, he makes his own decisions. He obviously wants the series to be as good as possible. I imagine there is more pressure to finish the series before the TV show catches up with it. However, I imagine the two are going to become more divergent as the TV series goes on.
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Re: George R. R. Martin saying "F*** you" in an interview
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2014, 06:19:51 PM »
I... kind of see both sides on this. People start stories expecting them to finish.

And the series has gotten longer (I feel old, but I was reading it when it was supposed to be a trilogy!), the gap between books has gotten longer, the quality of the books has gotten (arguably) a bit more dubious, the author has gotten more involved with other projects and, fundamentally, there are many more options for grittygrimdarkrealisticlowfantasy readers.

So, yeah, some readers are being dicks. But I have a great deal of sympathy for their frustrations.
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  At the same time, George isn't anyone's slave. He isn't answerable to us, as much as we might like an author to be. Where was the mass support during his early decades as a writer? Now, everyone wants a piece of him and there isn't enough to go round. Bet he wishes the people would all just go away or get consumed by dragon fire.
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