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Title: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: Overlord on April 13, 2011, 12:03:06 PM
Editing this from an email I sent earlier...

Tolkien's work from a literary point of view has always said to be about his nostalgia... his longing to get back to a world before industrialisation... it is a theme you see a lot of in his work. In fact, in The Hobbit you see a lot of discussion about the world that is gone and has been destroyed... it sounds amazing, but now it is gone... and they can never get it back... I think this is what Tolken based a lot of his ideas on.

As a modern link... 'The Painted Man', I noticed a lot of what I would connect with the whole September the 11th incident. The whole atmosphere created in 'The Painted Man' spoke to a lot of Americans (in my opinion) who were perhaps fearful at the time and felt that sense of being trapped. Certainly, from my point of view, the way the book exploded at the time shows it spoke to a lot of people... perhaps this is why, perhaps it is not.

Can you guys think of any other examples?
Title: Re: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: Nighteyes on April 13, 2011, 02:27:47 PM
Joe Abercrombie. The Union is clearly The United States under Bush. an idiot in charge who has some faked battle ground experience, controlled by shady forces with a sinister advisor who is the real power behind the throne. Disastrous involvements in conflicts in other countries.incompetent military. Need I go on?   
Title: Re: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: Funky Scarecrow on April 13, 2011, 02:54:36 PM
Joe Abercrombie. The Union is clearly The United States under Bush. an idiot in charge who has some faked battle ground experience, controlled by shady forces with a sinister advisor who is the real power behind the throne. Disastrous involvements in conflicts in other countries.incompetent military. Need I go on?   

I think the Union could equally as easily be modelled on Regency period Britain. An incapable leader succeeded by an incompetent one (Union=Britain), a powerful enemy just across the water (France&/orSpain=Ghurkul), a potential ally/rival riven by its own internal conflicts (Styria=Netherlands) and a formerly little more than lawless northern neighbour becoming a genuine threat (Reivers into Jacobite Scots=Raiders into Bethod's Northern Kingdom). You've even got a wide open and exapansive relatively unexplored expanse of land to the west (North America), not to mention the presence of the old and formerly powerful Empire now little more than bickering city states with no real impact on the wider world stage any more (The various city states, duchies and principalities which will become modern Italy).
Title: Re: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: Nighteyes on April 14, 2011, 07:51:10 AM
Joe Abercrombie. The Union is clearly The United States under Bush. an idiot in charge who has some faked battle ground experience, controlled by shady forces with a sinister advisor who is the real power behind the throne. Disastrous involvements in conflicts in other countries.incompetent military. Need I go on?   

I think the Union could equally as easily be modelled on Regency period Britain. An incapable leader succeeded by an incompetent one (Union=Britain), a powerful enemy just across the water (France&/orSpain=Ghurkul), a potential ally/rival riven by its own internal conflicts (Styria=Netherlands) and a formerly little more than lawless northern neighbour becoming a genuine threat (Reivers into Jacobite Scots=Raiders into Bethod's Northern Kingdom). You've even got a wide open and exapansive relatively unexplored expanse of land to the west (North America), not to mention the presence of the old and formerly powerful Empire now little more than bickering city states with no real impact on the wider world stage any more (The various city states, duchies and principalities which will become modern Italy).

Damn I hate it when someone blows my post out of the water with a way more intelligent post.  Damn you Funky Scarecrow ;)
Title: Re: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: Bahl on April 14, 2011, 07:56:24 AM
Well Hound, Abercrombie is english, so I think he'll base it on what he knows!
Title: Re: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: missoularedhead on April 14, 2011, 08:31:18 AM
Dune (okay, it's sci fi, but still). Definitely the Middle East and spice = oil.
Title: Re: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: MTMaenpaa on April 14, 2011, 11:33:53 AM
Dune (okay, it's sci fi, but still). Definitely the Middle East and spice = oil.

Dune was definitely a commentary on ecology and resource management, but the political feuds of the books were loosely based off of the War of the Roses.  Interestingly enough, the War of the Roses (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_the_Roses) was also one of GRRM's influences in creating A Song of Ice and Fire.
Title: Re: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: Nighteyes on April 14, 2011, 11:45:46 AM
I think everybody who enjoys the political intrigues of fantasy novels should read Hilary Mantel 'Wolf Hall' a fictional biography of Thomas Cromwell.  Absolutely fascinating on the intrigues at Henry VIII's court and beautifully written. 
Title: Re: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: OneChapterMore on April 18, 2011, 05:25:58 PM
Guy Gavriel Kay's are overtly taken from real historical events. Others are taken and messed with. However, I think that true-world events gravitate by necessity into almost all fantasy, as true world is where our experiences actually lie..
Title: Re: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: Bahl on April 19, 2011, 03:19:26 PM
Jasper Kent's Twelve and Thirteen years later are based in and around Napoleons invasion of russia.

Some bloody good books those.
Title: Re: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: Eclipse on December 28, 2018, 06:34:00 PM
There be fantasy books based on Donald Trump and Brexit soon  :o
Title: Re: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: JMack on January 10, 2019, 01:45:53 AM
There be fantasy books based on Donald Trump and Brexit soon  :o

UK civil war in 2022 with dragons and wizards.
Title: Re: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: Elfy on January 10, 2019, 06:31:34 AM
Small Change by Jo Walton was based on the premise that Rudolf Hess’ attempt to broker a peace deal between Nazi Germany and the UK worked and the UK got a rather fascist giver meant as a result. There were some scary parallels between then and now.
Title: Re: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: Justan Henner on January 11, 2019, 03:15:41 AM
There be fantasy books based on Donald Trump and Brexit soon  :o

UK civil war in 2022 with dragons and wizards.

Is this the next Harry Potter?
Title: Re: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: EdMcDonald_Blackwing on January 21, 2019, 10:50:36 AM
Kate Elliott's A Crown of Stars series is a pseudo 7th century western Europe, complete with pseudo Christianity.

Paul Kearney's The Monarchies of God are 15th/16th century Christian Europe, but the new world they discover is South America. The invaders are Muslims, and what's especially interesting is how the two religions are discovered to effectively have been brought about by the same prophet under different names.

Title: Re: Fantasy Novels - are they based on True World Events?
Post by: Neveesandeh on January 22, 2019, 10:45:36 AM
I can't remember who wrote it, but I remember reading that the plot of 'The Dinosaur Knights' is based on one of the crusades.

I think it's inevitable that any work of literature will reflect the time it's written in. I like the idea of 'death of the author' in theory, but I don't really believe it's much use in practice.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a lot more books about charismatic leaders brainwashing large groups of people to take over places in the coming years. In fact, I look forward to it.

I started out wanting to write fun adventure novels, but ever since 2011 all I've wanted to write about is how evil dictatorships are, how they ruin countless innocent lives and how it is a moral imperative to destroy them.