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Title: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Overlord on August 10, 2015, 11:08:10 AM
Fantasy-Faction Con in 2016 then...

Two day event that will merge panels and fantasy full activities with social environment to talk, eat and drink. Very much like an extended version of the Grim Gathering.

My first question is: what month would be best to hold a two day event?

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Sorry my US friends, this would be UK based although 2017 I'm looking at the first US based event in New York :-)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: wakarimasen on August 10, 2015, 11:14:48 AM
Feb.

Never enough good stuff to cheer you up in Feb.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 10, 2015, 11:16:29 AM
Yes, but then we might get snow and not be able to travel and all those things...

April or May.
And please do it mid-month!
I assume it will be Friday+Saturday? Not mid-week either.

Where are you thinking of doing it?

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Overlord on August 10, 2015, 11:19:55 AM
Location is still open. Keen to NOT do London. My aim, eventually, will be to do one very South and one very North, but we'll obviously have to build ourselves up for that :-)

100% be weekend.

Joanne made some good points:
Eastercon is March/ April,
Nineworlds is August,
FantasyCon is usually September / October,
December is Christmas,
No one has any money in January...

That leaves us with:

February
May
June
July
November
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 10, 2015, 11:23:53 AM
Yay, for weekend.

Feb or May it is, then - June-July are holiday months, and I can't wait until November ;)

You've done the 'very South' one last year (yes, Bristol is very south hehe).
I'd suggest Leeds or Manchester, that's sort of mid UK? Very big Waterstones in both places :)
And then the very North would be in Scotland (Glasgow or Edinburgh).
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Overlord on August 10, 2015, 11:25:35 AM
Manchester/Liverpool/Scotland would be my preferences for the next event just so that we've spread ourselves out a bit :-)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 10, 2015, 11:29:53 AM
Great!
You know, Leeds is a much nicer city than Manchester ;) although we prefer to keep that secret hidden hehe
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Raptori on August 10, 2015, 11:47:55 AM
Summer would probably be best, since that way it'll be nicer weather and people can potentially hang out outside. Ideally it'd be in Manchester, since that way we can fly directly there and use public transport to get around - if it's anywhere else (other than London) we probably wouldn't be able to come.  :)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 10, 2015, 12:08:32 PM
Leeds is 1 hour by direct train from Manchester Airport :P

But ok, please do Manchester :D
And May can also be a very nice weather month: have you forgotten that there's no guarantee of nice weather in June or July, hehe?
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Raptori on August 10, 2015, 12:12:02 PM
Leeds is 1 hour by direct train from Manchester Airport :P

But ok, please do Manchester :D
And May can also be a very nice weather month: have you forgotten that there's no guarantee of nice weather in June or July, hehe?
True, but any extra journeys add cost, and we're not exactly rich.  :-\

May counts as early summer for me, which is probably one of the the best times of year to have it. (http://boincstats.com/image/emoticon/happy.gif)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: JMack on August 10, 2015, 12:13:22 PM
[Looks at $1,000 minimum fare on Expedia for Dulles to Manchester. Wonders how completely insane he actually is.]
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 10, 2015, 12:15:34 PM
So May it is :D

And ok I get it, no worries :)
I'd offer you a place to sleep at mine, but I don't have room - I even send my parents to a hotel.
But there are cheap-ish places in Manchester, feel free to ask me tips about areas and so on.

Jmack, that can't be possible! Really??
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: JMack on August 10, 2015, 12:17:37 PM
Jmack, that can't be possible! Really??

Probably not.  :-[
But many months notice is very useful for such things.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Raptori on August 10, 2015, 12:19:04 PM
[Looks at $1,000 minimum fare on Expedia for Dulles to Manchester. Wonders how completely insane he actually is.]
Do it!

So May it is :D

And ok I get it, no worries :)
I'd offer you a place to sleep at mine, but I don't have room - I even send my parents to a hotel.
But there are cheap-ish places in Manchester, feel free to ask me tips about areas and so on.

Jmack, that can't be possible! Really??
Aww thanks, I'm sure we'll be fine! If it's in Leeds we'll definitely have to get some tips. I grew up in/around Manchester, and Saurus came to live with me there for a few years before we moved over here so we'd be sorted if it was there. If it's in Manchester we could possibly stay with one of my bosses to save money, but since they live outside the city it might not actually save all that money anyway.  ;)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Saraband on August 10, 2015, 12:19:25 PM
I'm actually getting very excited about this. If all goes well, by the beginning of next year I will have moved to Scotland, so it will become a real possibility for me to come to the event!  ;D ;D ;D

I vote for May, only because it's the month of my birthday - how egocentric, I know  :P Truly, I'm not sure how things will go, but I expect to be fully settled by March / April, so anything from then on will be alright.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 10, 2015, 12:20:22 PM
I just checked skyscanner - I forgot we were talking USD.
Cheapest I found (1 stop, random dates in May) is with Air Lingus at £631=$950

But really, around £600 doesn't seem a lot to come across the Atlantic - I've just paid £190 to go to Portugal in December.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Rostum on August 10, 2015, 12:34:14 PM
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Manchester/Liverpool/Scotland would be my preferences for the next event just so that we've spread ourselves out a bit :-)

May I ask why?

To be pragmatic you need a location the most people can reach. From experience everywhere in England is pretty much a long journey for the Scots and the Cornish. Events in Scotland are less well attended than those in England and you are limited to Edinburgh and Glasgow if you want any access to airports and infrastructure. Go further north and fewer still attend due to the overwhelming cost. I can appreciate the thought and fairness of it but you may cut attendance by doing so.

I take it a two day event will not be in a book shop, or at least not all of it. Would combining the event with and existing one be a possibility or would you want to keep it entirely separate?


Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Raptori on August 10, 2015, 12:42:15 PM
I take it a two day event will not be in a book shop, or at least not all of it. Would combining the event with and existing one be a possibility or would you want to keep it entirely separate?
Good point, maybe somewhere like Manchester Centra/G-Mex (http://www.manchestercentral.co.uk/) would be appropriate? No idea how much that'd cost though...  :-\
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 10, 2015, 12:46:51 PM
I think easier (maybe cheaper) and more appropriate would be in the revamped Manchester Central Library :)
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/500138/central_library/6368/host_your_event_at_central_library (http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/500138/central_library/6368/host_your_event_at_central_library)

Even if not a proper event, there's a huge space on the ground floor, where the coffee shop is, that takes the number of people that were at this year's GG.

(http://www.holidaycheck.com//data/urlaubsbilder/images/82/1155821108.jpg)  (http://www.manchester.gov.uk/images/cl_1.jpg)

Would combining the event with and existing one be a possibility or would you want to keep it entirely separate?
And keep it separate, please!
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Phil Norris on August 10, 2015, 12:51:03 PM
Manchester/Liverpool/Scotland would be my preferences for the next event just so that we've spread ourselves out a bit :-)

If you go for Scotland I'd recommend the Grand Central Hotel, its right on Glasgow train station. Went to a couple of Star Trek cons there back in the early '00s, decent size but not over big and reasonable prices (back then).
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Doctor_Chill on August 10, 2015, 12:57:06 PM
[Looks at $1,000 minimum fare on Expedia for Dulles to Manchester. Wonders how completely insane he actually is.]

[Looks at the 1,200 miles it would take to get to Jmack. Wonders if the convention would be held in late May, after finals. No insanity involved in this equation.]
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Raptori on August 10, 2015, 01:04:16 PM
I think easier (maybe cheaper) and more appropriate would be in the revamped Manchester Central Library :)
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/500138/central_library/6368/host_your_event_at_central_library (http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/500138/central_library/6368/host_your_event_at_central_library)

Even if not a proper event, there's a huge space on the ground floor, where the coffee shop is, that takes the number of people that were at this year's GG.

(http://www.holidaycheck.com//data/urlaubsbilder/images/82/1155821108.jpg)  (http://www.manchester.gov.uk/images/cl_1.jpg)

Would combining the event with and existing one be a possibility or would you want to keep it entirely separate?
And keep it separate, please!
That'd be awesome, never actually been inside that library, great that they do events!

And yeah, keep it separate for sure.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Idlewilder on August 10, 2015, 01:07:31 PM
If it's in Manchester, I'm there. My favourite British city, hands down. It's also just so much easier and cheaper for me to get to.

I'm actually getting very excited about this. If all goes well, by the beginning of next year I will have moved to Scotland, so it will become a real possibility for me to come to the event!  ;D ;D ;D

Whoa! Whereabouts are you moving to?

I'd also prefer May, but one thing I'd mention: if it's to be an all-ages inclusive event, May will be no good for many 16-21 year-olds sitting school and university exams.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Alex Hormann on August 10, 2015, 01:22:18 PM
Yeah, May is a bad time for us students.  :-\

June, July are good for me personally, maybe last week of October-first week of November.

Location-wise, I'm in the ruraliest part of rural Wales, so everywhere is a way off. Cardiff or Swansea have some pretty decent venues. Though if you want to go south of England, Sussex is pretty accessible. Plenty of trains down that way. :D
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 10, 2015, 02:03:05 PM
This year it was in Bristol, you lost your timing - give us northerners a chance :P ;D
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Alex Hormann on August 10, 2015, 02:09:11 PM
This year it was in Bristol, you lost your timing - give us northerners a chance :P ;D

Ha, my timing's never been great. :P

Guess there's always SF Weekender 7 to tide me over 'til 2017  ;D
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: wakarimasen on August 10, 2015, 03:07:41 PM
May has two bank holidays in it in the UK, that makes it pricey to do events on those peak weekends. So mid-may might be better?

I've got a lot of love for Glasgow (even though it's the other end of the country for me - but having read Jmack and chills musings I think it'd be hard to complain about that)

Still think Bristol is a good venue as well....

Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: m3mnoch on August 10, 2015, 03:19:44 PM
[Looks at $1,000 minimum fare on Expedia for Dulles to Manchester. Wonders how completely insane he actually is.]

[Looks at the 1,200 miles it would take to get to Jmack. Wonders if the convention would be held in late May, after finals. No insanity involved in this equation.]

hrm...

if you guys go, i'll go.

i'd have to skip either my edc trip, or my trip to pax next year tho.  or!  the wife and i have been threatening each other with a trip to london (neither of us have been there) for a week or so on our way to a couple days of overwater bungalow in the maldives.  there's no reason we can't take a train up to manchester (or bristol, or wherever) for a couple of those days.  now that's an idea...

i could even prove to her that you guys all exist.  right now, she has to listen to funny stories about all my new imaginary friends.  (she loved that i told the olive garden story, btw)

all of this is predicated on me not finding another new-shiny online forum to hang out, of course.  i'm only kinda-sorta-whatever on this place right now...  i kid!  i kid!  tripping out to an ff con would RAWK!
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 10, 2015, 03:22:46 PM
Still think Bristol is a good venue as well....
All of you that are saying Bristol is a good place: why weren't you there this year, eh? eh?
I travelled 4 hours (which turned out to be closer to 6 because of traffic!)

The only forum people there were me and Rostum. And Geoff (G.R. Matthews), but he still kept himself mostly to the main site at that time...

the wife and i have been threatening each other with a trip to london (neither of us have been there) for a week or so on our way to a couple days of overwater bungalow in the maldives.  there's no reason we can't take a train up to manchester (or bristol, or wherever) for a couple of those days.  now that's an idea...
This is better than the Maldives ;D
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: m3mnoch on August 10, 2015, 03:41:29 PM
the wife and i have been threatening each other with a trip to london (neither of us have been there) for a week or so on our way to a couple days of overwater bungalow in the maldives.  there's no reason we can't take a train up to manchester (or bristol, or wherever) for a couple of those days.  now that's an idea...
This is better than the Maldives ;D

um...  have you even BEEN to the maldives? (https://www.google.com/search?q=maldives&es_sm=119&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAmoVChMI57SCyd6exwIViKWICh3QxgIR&biw=1305&bih=712)  duh!  there are huge pods of girls in bikinis just laying around on the beach!  and huts!  huts over the water!  and did i already say bikinis?!?

speaking of, i think i'm throwing this in the ring as a recommendation for venue.  i think the straw roofs and glass floors over the water would really add to the ambiance when discussing ... uh ... dragons.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Henry Dale on August 10, 2015, 03:50:39 PM
the wife and i have been threatening each other with a trip to london (neither of us have been there) for a week or so on our way to a couple days of overwater bungalow in the maldives.  there's no reason we can't take a train up to manchester (or bristol, or wherever) for a couple of those days.  now that's an idea...
This is better than the Maldives ;D

um...  have you even BEEN to the maldives? (https://www.google.com/search?q=maldives&es_sm=119&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAmoVChMI57SCyd6exwIViKWICh3QxgIR&biw=1305&bih=712)  duh!  there are huge pods of girls in bikinis just laying around on the beach!  and huts!  huts over the water!  and did i already say bikinis?!?

speaking of, i think i'm throwing this in the ring as a recommendation for venue.  i think the straw roofs and glass floors over the water would really add to the ambiance when discussing ... uh ... dragons.

You go ahead and call the bikini girls dragons, @m3mnoch (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40419).

We're doing the con on top of the drachenfels in Germany...I miss mountain climbing.

On a more cereal note: can we have a good connection with Eurostar?
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: JMack on August 10, 2015, 03:59:41 PM
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You go ahead and call the bikini girls dragons, @m3mnoch (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40419).

A propos of nothing, some years ago my family was watching the first of the tawdry Victoria's Secret soft-porn commercials on the Super Bowl broadcast. Son and I just look over at each other, raised eyebrows, and I say: "Well, they're healthy." Which is now a family in-joke.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 10, 2015, 06:14:42 PM
um...  have you even BEEN to the maldives? (https://www.google.com/search?q=maldives&es_sm=119&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAmoVChMI57SCyd6exwIViKWICh3QxgIR&biw=1305&bih=712)  duh!  there are huge pods of girls in bikinis just laying around on the beach!  and huts!  huts over the water!  and did i already say bikinis?!?

speaking of, i think i'm throwing this in the ring as a recommendation for venue.  i think the straw roofs and glass floors over the water would really add to the ambiance when discussing ... uh ... dragons.
:P ;D ;D
It looks nice but it also looks very boring - nothing to do or see, hehe
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: CameronJohnston on August 10, 2015, 06:25:20 PM
Well this all sounds really interesting! :) I'd prefer Glasgow for purely selfish reasons :p Mostly the other con-type events are in the London area. Eastercon is in Manchester this year, which should be a blast.

FYI, the Satellite 5 con is on from 28th – 29th May 2016 in Glasgow. Not sure what the overlap of attending members would be (me for one).
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: xiagan on August 10, 2015, 06:37:51 PM
We're doing the con on top of the drachenfels in Germany...I miss mountain climbing.
NOW you're talking!

Fun fact: In Berlin is a district, where a RPG/fantasy/mythology/fairy tale fan got to name the streets. We have (translated from German) : Light Elves Bridge, Rune Line, Dark Elves Way,  Black Elf Path, Rübezahl (A spirit of the Sudeten Mountains) Path, Jötun Way, Lindworm Way, Norne Street, Gnome Place, Snow White Street, Cinderella Street, Little Red Riding Hood Way, etc :)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Timstar on August 11, 2015, 09:22:46 AM
Seems like May/June would be good months, preferably avoiding school and bank holidays to keep the cost down.

Will be great to have our first Con :)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Henry Dale on August 11, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
21 june is my birthday, just mentioning that >.>
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Lady Ty on August 11, 2015, 10:05:25 AM
My city's built around a lake ánd has fantastic food and drink and hotels and bars and conference centres and probably bikini girls - just sayin'
(http://www.world-guides.com/images/canberra/canberra_aerial_home.jpg)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 11, 2015, 10:18:27 AM
Will be great to have our first Con :)
I would definitely count the Grim Gatherings as "our conventions", so this one is hardly the first ;D
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: wakarimasen on August 11, 2015, 10:48:15 AM
@ScarletBea (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=32020) I was at the Q&A at Grim Gathering - just didn't know anyone at that point so didn't stick around for the drinks (I live about 10 miles from Bristol - hence I could just skip in and out).
I shall remedy that next time though...

May is the best month to visit Scotland BTW -  The area around Glasgow, like Loch Lomond, is stunning in spring. Might be an extra incentive to anyone making the huge effort to fly in. (Plus my wife's family is from there so I could leave her, the kids and the dogs all well catered for and attend guilt free!)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 11, 2015, 10:53:11 AM
@ScarletBea (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=32020) I was at the Q&A at Grim Gathering - just didn't know anyone at that point so didn't stick around for the drinks
:'(

@wakarimasen (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40242), I wonder if you appear in my photos ?? or have you already told me and I didn't pay attention at the time? :-[
I was re-reading that thread and I've realised @Rukaio_Alter (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40087) was there too, and he also didn't come talk with me. Could it really have been that in these last 4 months we got much closer together? You wouldn't dream of not coming talk to me now, right? I'm not scary... ;D
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: m3mnoch on August 11, 2015, 02:45:31 PM
@wakarimasen (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40242), I wonder if you appear in my photos ?? or have you already told me and I didn't pay attention at the time? :-[
I was re-reading that thread and I've realised @Rukaio_Alter (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40087) was there too, and he also didn't come talk with me. Could it really have been that in these last 4 months we got much closer together? You wouldn't dream of not coming talk to me now, right? I'm not scary... ;D

there were photos?!?!

someone wouldn't talk to bea?!?!

my world!  it's vacillating SO HARD right now!
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: wakarimasen on August 11, 2015, 02:47:18 PM
@ScarletBea (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=32020) I was about two rows from the back, next to a pal I dragged along. He has a beard, I have glasses. You tell me if I'm in them???

But yes, it has only been since about May that I've been frequenting the monthly comps and getting to know folks. I find the whole concept of meeting online peeps irl a bit scary to be honest, but I'll try to overcome that for the sake of the Con!

On topic. Glasgow. May. Gets my vote.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 11, 2015, 02:57:09 PM
there were photos?!?!

someone wouldn't talk to bea?!?!

my world!  it's vacillating SO HARD right now!

LOL I'll send you the link (it's been deleted in the meantime)
And it's like we were saying - there was hardly anyone from the forums there, and we really didn't chat much then (not me - the others hehe)

On topic. Glasgow. May. Gets my vote.
Manchester. May or June. Gets my vote.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: m3mnoch on August 11, 2015, 03:13:38 PM
oh!  and i meant to say too -- the wife is in for a trip to the u.k. next summer.

it'd be awesome if it was june/july.  that way, we could fly the kids to the grandparent's house.  tho, i suppose it'd be cheaper to just fly grandma down to ours...  hrm.  so, whatever!  we're there!

p.s.  psst, jmack -- that 'hrm' is a sound effect, not an abbreviation.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: JMack on August 11, 2015, 05:01:59 PM
oh!  and i meant to say too -- the wife is in for a trip to the u.k. next summer.

it'd be awesome if it was june/july.  that way, we could fly the kids to the grandparent's house.  tho, i suppose it'd be cheaper to just fly grandma down to ours...  hrm.  so, whatever!  we're there!

p.s.  psst, jmack -- that 'hrm' is a sound effect, not an abbreviation.

"his royal majesty"
"her regal mistressness"
"hey, reality mouse!"
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Raptori on August 11, 2015, 08:08:15 PM
@ScarletBea (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=32020) I was about two rows from the back, next to a pal I dragged along. He has a beard, I have glasses. You tell me if I'm in them???

But yes, it has only been since about May that I've been frequenting the monthly comps and getting to know folks. I find the whole concept of meeting online peeps irl a bit scary to be honest, but I'll try to overcome that for the sake of the Con!

On topic. Glasgow. May. Gets my vote.
@Saurus (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40290) and I met online. It can be scary, but it can be awesome too!  ;)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: xiagan on August 11, 2015, 09:23:50 PM
@Saurus (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40290) and I met online. It can be scary, but it can be awesome too!  ;)
A story worth to be told? :)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Raptori on August 11, 2015, 09:50:24 PM
@Saurus (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40290) and I met online. It can be scary, but it can be awesome too!  ;)
A story worth to be told? :)
Yeah, absolutely epic.

Once upon a time, the princess Saurus was being held captive high up in a tower by her evil... uh... wait. Was that it?  :o
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Overlord on August 12, 2015, 03:40:16 PM
Fantasy-Faction Convention Team:

Hi everyone, looking to put together a Fantasy-Faction Convention team. Essentially this will be a UK based team who will bounce ideas off each other in order to make sure that this upcoming convention of ours is the best damned convention the UK has ever seen.

Mostly it will involve scoping out potential venues, discussing authors we'd like to invite, coming up with panel topics, designing other events for the con, and much more besides. If you'd like to be involved then please let me know here and I'll get back to you on how we move forwards! :-)

Already had one very enthusiastic forum member reach out to me (and glad he did, cause he knows his stuff!) - be great to have a few more.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 12, 2015, 06:05:52 PM
^^ On the one hand I'd love to do this, on the other I don't think I have the right skills...
 :-\
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Phil Norris on August 12, 2015, 08:50:10 PM
Had a thought whilst I was out walking tonight - amazing what inspiration I get doing that sometimes - concerning venue/dates. I know a lot of venues/dates were put forward here and on Facebook but I wonder about a lot of these put forward for earlier in 2016.

We're in August now, any sizable venue - I'm thinking hotels/convention centers - tend to have dates booked a year sometimes two in advance. Getting anywhere between January and May/June that isn't already booked could be hard. Not saying it would be impossible but leaving the venue/date open for too long could narrow down the possibilities.

Not wanting to put damper on anything.


 
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Rostum on August 16, 2015, 12:35:22 AM
How about some Parameters Marc? Let us know how you envisage the event and then we have something to think around. in terms of this sorta thing next year is nearly upon us.

Ideal= Best event ever
When = we dont know yet in 2016
Where= Up North Somwhere
Numbers planned for=????? (nothing else can be done until this is set determines venue size)
Duration = 2 day event
Venue =? single or Multi-venue? (obviously local to each other if multi)
Events = Signing? Q+A?, panels, writing workshops, Booksales? Silliness to be arranged??? Evening events???
Sponsership/support=????
Ticketing =free???-budget breaking????
Food/bar=????
Affordable hotels=??? Can we get a pref rate for using the same???
Booking Authors=need a set date? Number of Authors


Thoughts on FF merchandise, order at event like the hoodies smaller/cheaper stock?????
Giving Authors who use FF an opportunity to sign/sell books
FF/author bands=???? Peter Newman?? Firewalking??? assorted lunacy
Social space for chilling meeting FF members as well as organised events
Set up and Clean up afterwards???
Looking after authors/editors/guests=?????





Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Brother of the Sixth Order on August 16, 2015, 12:48:36 PM
It would be great to hold the event in February or May 2016, would love this to be a weekend event as well.

In terms of location how about somewhere central like Birmingham or Leicester? Just a thought.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Raptori on August 16, 2015, 12:59:32 PM
How about some Parameters Marc? Let us know how you envisage the event and then we have something to think around. in terms of this sorta thing next year is nearly upon us.

Ideal= Best event ever
When = we dont know yet in 2016
Where= Up North Somwhere
Numbers planned for=? ??? ? (nothing else can be done until this is set determines venue size)
Duration = 2 day event
Venue =? single or Multi-venue? (obviously local to each other if multi)
Events = Signing? Q+A?, panels, writing workshops, Booksales? Silliness to be arranged??? Evening events???
Sponsership/support=? ???
Ticketing =free???-budget breaking? ???
Food/bar=? ???
Affordable hotels=??? Can we get a pref rate for using the same???
Booking Authors=need a set date? Number of Authors


Thoughts on FF merchandise, order at event like the hoodies smaller/cheaper stock? ??? ?
Giving Authors who use FF an opportunity to sign/sell books
FF/author bands=? ??? Peter Newman?? Firewalking??? assorted lunacy
Social space for chilling meeting FF members as well as organised events
Set up and Clean up afterwards???
Looking after authors/editors/guests=? ??? ?
Yeah this kind of stuff would be really useful to know.

Some comments:

When: still think early summer would be ideal.
Where: Manchester please!
Events: I really liked the sound of the socialising aspects of the Grim Gathering (the party after, and the breakfast the next day), so I do think it'd be great to have opportunities to do that for this as well. One thing that would've been awesome would be some kind of award ceremony for the F-F Book Battles, but since everyone will already know who won it wouldn't really make sense...
Food/bar: I don't think there should be any - or at least none included in the basic ticket price. It's pretty unlikely that we'd be able to/want to eat the stuff provided, so it'd be a waste. A city center venue (like Manchester Library) would mean there'd be enough around to suit everyone.
Merchandise: we would be happy to help create some cool merchandise if anyone's interested. A good place to order them from would be aliexpress - incredibly cheap yet very good quality in our experience, the only downside is delivery times, which wouldn't be a problem here since there's a lot of notice.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Rostum on August 16, 2015, 04:50:24 PM
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Food/bar: I don't think there should be any - or at least none included in the basic ticket price. It's pretty unlikely that we'd be able to/want to eat the stuff provided, so it'd be a waste. A city center venue (like Manchester Library) would mean there'd be enough around to suit everyone.

In the UK to have a Bar you need a licence or Licenced premises. Food preparation areas need to meet hygiene standards and be certificated. I really wasn't suggesting free food and drink. That path is the one to madness and bankrupting the event.

3rd party liability insurance is another for the list as is budget are you looking for commercial success or to break even, monetizing advertising space is another way of raisng funds.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Raptori on August 16, 2015, 05:13:28 PM
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Food/bar: I don't think there should be any - or at least none included in the basic ticket price. It's pretty unlikely that we'd be able to/want to eat the stuff provided, so it'd be a waste. A city center venue (like Manchester Library) would mean there'd be enough around to suit everyone.

In the UK to have a Bar you need a licence or Licenced premises. Food preparation areas need to meet hygiene standards and be certificated. I really wasn't suggesting free food and drink. That path is the one to madness and bankrupting the event.

3rd party liability insurance is another for the list as is budget are you looking for commercial success or to break even, monetizing advertising space is another way of raisng funds.
I assumed you meant something like the con making a deal with certain restaurants/bars/pubs, rather than actually preparing food there. My viewpoint was that it probably shouldn't be dealt with by the con whatsoever, and people should just look after their own food themselves. Ideally the venue should be close to an area with food shops and the like, but even that's not essential imo as long as there are breaks long enough for people to go eat.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Rostum on August 16, 2015, 06:09:04 PM
It would depend on the venue, but this is an important stream of cash for big events. Don't write it off just yet.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Raptori on August 16, 2015, 07:02:49 PM
It would depend on the venue, but this is an important stream of cash for big events. Don't write it off just yet.
Yeah I guess. As long as it's not included in the ticket price then I don't have a problem with it.  ;)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Phil Norris on August 16, 2015, 07:06:34 PM
How about some Parameters Marc? Let us know how you envisage the event and then we have something to think around. in terms of this sorta thing next year is nearly upon us.

Ideal= Best event ever
When = we dont know yet in 2016
Where= Up North Somwhere
Numbers planned for=????? (nothing else can be done until this is set determines venue size)
Duration = 2 day event
Venue =? single or Multi-venue? (obviously local to each other if multi)
Events = Signing? Q+A?, panels, writing workshops, Booksales? Silliness to be arranged??? Evening events???
Sponsership/support=????
Ticketing =free???-budget breaking????
Food/bar=????
Affordable hotels=??? Can we get a pref rate for using the same???
Booking Authors=need a set date? Number of Authors


Thoughts on FF merchandise, order at event like the hoodies smaller/cheaper stock?????
Giving Authors who use FF an opportunity to sign/sell books
FF/author bands=???? Peter Newman?? Firewalking??? assorted lunacy
Social space for chilling meeting FF members as well as organised events
Set up and Clean up afterwards???
Looking after authors/editors/guests=?????

In addition to Rostrum's list is the idea of the con to make money for the site or is the aim to raise money for other causes? I've been to a few independent cons and apart from one (which used the money to fund future events) all of them donated any left over cash once all expenses cleared to a charity.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 16, 2015, 07:07:25 PM
This is starting to sound like it's going to be really big.
I don't think I'll like that :-\
Can't we just stick to Waterstones and large pubs/cafés?
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Raptori on August 16, 2015, 07:43:46 PM
This is starting to sound like it's going to be really big.
I don't think I'll like that :-\
Can't we just stick to Waterstones and large pubs/cafés?
Yeah I liked the sound of just an extended version of the Grim Gathering, since that sounded like a good scale.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Rostum on August 16, 2015, 09:34:00 PM
I am in agreement the last Grim Gathering was about perfect and we were very lucky it was free and this is late in the day to be organising anything for next year, certainly the first half of next year.

If the plan is to have a two day event then you need to fill those two days. To do that is likely to cost and the only way to recoup is to either charge more or get more people through the door. Losing several thousand on an event, regardless of how good it is is not sustainable trust me on this. You are also asking those attending to pick up extra cost in hotels, food etc. Making it free may not be an option, making it small and expensive may not work. Big may lose the magic of the Grim Gathering. There was something about it being the best damned convention the UK has ever seen. That doesn't sound like the intention is a small or quiet event.

From Marcs original post.

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Fantasy-Faction Con in 2016 then...

Two day event that will merge panels and fantasy full activities with social environment to talk, eat and drink. Very much like an extended version of the Grim Gathering.

all the list I posted up was my thoughts and assumptions after 2 beers (about my limit these days) from the vague quote above to try and get the post back on track. I probably should have just asked  'let us know your thoughts Marc' instead.

Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 16, 2015, 10:18:40 PM
the last Grim Gathering was about perfect
(...) Big may lose the magic of the Grim Gathering.
This.
Plus scare off people who aren't that keen on crowds.

Quote
From Marcs original post.
Quote
an extended version of the Grim Gathering.
(...) I probably should have just asked  'let us know your thoughts Marc' instead.
I hope so, and yes, maybe, hehe, but he's now gone kinda silent.

Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Idlewilder on August 17, 2015, 06:56:24 PM
So I had a little bit of an idea that may be total nonsense, or may be a convenient way of having a Grim Gathering next year while perhaps getting serious about planning a larger FF Con for 2017. (Let's be realistic - 2016 for a 2 day Con may be a bit of a stretch at this stage).

However.

https://www.mancunicon.org.uk/

Eastercon - one of the bigger SFF cons in the UK is actually in Manchester next year, from 25-28 March 2016. Would we be better off trying to organise a Grim Gathering around this, perhaps a day of events in Manchester, with people meeting up either just for the day or others perhaps for Eastercon itself (and an FF day)? This way those who just want to do the day, can, and those who are travelling (hello Finland!) might be interested in visiting for Eastercon & a bit of a Grim Gathering on the same weekend. Plus it guarantees high attendance from those outside of our own community who will be in Manchester for Eastercon anyway.

Any thoughts? I may have not explained this idea very well, and it's just a thought, so don't get too bothered if you don't think it would work, or you don't like it - it's just basically a way of leeching off an already well organised SFF event for something more intensely FF-based. Which is, I think, what we all want.

Discuss.  :)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Raptori on August 17, 2015, 08:59:40 PM
So I had a little bit of an idea that may be total nonsense, or may be a convenient way of having a Grim Gathering next year while perhaps getting serious about planning a larger FF Con for 2017. (Let's be realistic - 2016 for a 2 day Con may be a bit of a stretch at this stage).

However.

https://www.mancunicon.org.uk/ (https://www.mancunicon.org.uk/)

Eastercon - one of the bigger SFF cons in the UK is actually in Manchester next year, from 25-28 March 2016. Would we be better off trying to organise a Grim Gathering around this, perhaps a day of events in Manchester, with people meeting up either just for the day or others perhaps for Eastercon itself (and an FF day)? This way those who just want to do the day, can, and those who are travelling (hello Finland!) might be interested in visiting for Eastercon & a bit of a Grim Gathering on the same weekend. Plus it guarantees high attendance from those outside of our own community who will be in Manchester for Eastercon anyway.

Any thoughts? I may have not explained this idea very well, and it's just a thought, so don't get too bothered if you don't think it would work, or you don't like it - it's just basically a way of leeching off an already well organised SFF event for something more intensely FF-based. Which is, I think, what we all want.

Discuss.  :)
So basically you mean set up a handful of events (like the socialising stuff) that are in Manchester at the same time/the day after that other convention or something? I guess that makes sense if it's too short notice to organise the full thing now. Never even heard of Eastercon though, no idea what it's about, I'll have to take a look...  :o
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Idlewilder on August 18, 2015, 06:25:11 PM
So basically you mean set up a handful of events (like the socialising stuff) that are in Manchester at the same time/the day after that other convention or something? I guess that makes sense if it's too short notice to organise the full thing now. Never even heard of Eastercon though, no idea what it's about, I'll have to take a look...  :o

Pretty much yes. Just a Grim Gathering of sorts, but it might make it easier to gather authors etc if they're around for Eastercon anyway.

Eastercon is just an annual SFF convention that moves around the country. It's not too big, not too small. Very popular, encourages all ages, is very book focused too.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Raptori on August 18, 2015, 06:53:17 PM
So basically you mean set up a handful of events (like the socialising stuff) that are in Manchester at the same time/the day after that other convention or something? I guess that makes sense if it's too short notice to organise the full thing now. Never even heard of Eastercon though, no idea what it's about, I'll have to take a look...  :o

Pretty much yes. Just a Grim Gathering of sorts, but it might make it easier to gather authors etc if they're around for Eastercon anyway.

Eastercon is just an annual SFF convention that moves around the country. It's not too big, not too small. Very popular, encourages all ages, is very book focused too.
Definitely sounds like an option then. :)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on August 18, 2015, 09:31:02 PM
£60!
I refuse to pay that much to go to a convention - it's too big anyway (list already has close to 500 people!!)

I'll stick with the Grim Gathering, even if they start charging (say, £10-20).
I'd be happy just meeting forum people, hehe - I'm sure the writers would want to come to our table anyway because it would be the funniest in the place ;D
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Idlewilder on August 18, 2015, 09:53:05 PM
£60!
I refuse to pay that much to go to a convention - it's too big anyway (list already has close to 500 people!!)

I'll stick with the Grim Gathering, even if they start charging (say, £10-20).
I'd be happy just meeting forum people, hehe - I'm sure the writers would want to come to our table anyway because it would be the funniest in the place ;D

Oh there'd be no need to attend Eastercon - it's just that it might be a good time to have the Grim Gathering, as both fans and authors will be in the area anyway.  ;)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Hedin on August 19, 2015, 04:04:00 AM
One thing that would've been awesome would be some kind of award ceremony for the F-F Book Battles....

Would this mean I would get subsidized travel?
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: CameronJohnston on August 19, 2015, 09:03:20 AM
Not a bad idea Idlewilder. I'm heading down for Eastercon anyway next year, as are many authors who could possibly nip out for an hour or two to do FF stuff elsewhere (I'd recommend somewhere close by though). Plus, a lot of attendees hang out in the bar at cons anyway and with them being hotels and such you could just wander into the bar area anyway if you like.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Overlord on August 19, 2015, 12:22:19 PM
I've been a bit quiet, but I'm speaking with a few publishers and authors about how to get some big names involved - expect good news soon :-)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Overlord on August 21, 2015, 11:04:14 AM
I've spoken with the majority of UK Publishers and the majority of those UK Publishers are interested in helping us out.

Also, rather excitingly and a personal achievement because he is one of my favourite authors, Sam Sykes messaged me today with some support (a demand?):

(http://fantasy-faction.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Screen-Shot-2015-08-21-at-10.35.211.png)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: JMack on August 21, 2015, 11:41:58 AM
[checks expedia - again - to see if fares to UK have dropped below $200. sighs, mutters, closes the browser]
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Overlord on August 21, 2015, 12:42:58 PM
[checks expedia - again - to see if fares to UK have dropped below $200. sighs, mutters, closes the browser]

If you can make it over one year you can stay at my little house :-)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Arry on August 21, 2015, 09:46:36 PM
[checks expedia - again - to see if fares to UK have dropped below $200. sighs, mutters, closes the browser]

Ha ha .... not even close. We're actually talking about heading over there again in April, with the kids this time. Should be fun even if we miss FF Con
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Rostum on August 25, 2015, 02:23:19 AM
Bump this back to the top. Any news Marc?
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Phil Norris on August 28, 2015, 06:30:47 PM
BUMP - has there been any developments on this?
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Phil Norris on September 08, 2015, 12:56:38 PM
This had slipped onto page 2 so bumping it back up.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Overlord on September 09, 2015, 08:23:54 AM
Having spoken to publishers who are really keen, to help us get the bigger name authors involved and make sure we do it properly we are going to look at Feb 2017 or May 2017 for the Con. We can start planning it soon and make sure it is a huge success as opposed to something rushed that could potentially screw up future ones. Instead, we will be having another Grim Gathering event or two in 2016 so watch this space ;-)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Rostum on September 09, 2015, 08:29:45 AM
That strikes me as a very astute move at this point 2016 is looming and you may have had  to compromise to make anything happen at all with regard to venues as well as authors.

Does this mean there will be a Grim Gathering in 2016 in the format used last year?
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on September 09, 2015, 08:38:41 AM
Rostum, are you speed reading again? ;)
Instead, we will be having another Grim Gathering event or two in 2016 so watch this space ;-)
Does this mean there will be a Grim Gathering in 2016 in the format used last year?

And yay Marc!
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Rostum on September 09, 2015, 08:49:40 AM
Nope, I was curious if it would be trying something new or following the 2015 books, drinks and breakfast type event.

@Marc please let me know if there is anything I can do to assist.
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: ScarletBea on September 09, 2015, 09:39:31 AM
Ah sorry :-[
I for one really liked last year's format :)
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Rostum on September 09, 2015, 10:29:17 AM
No need for you to be sorry at all. You could just have easily been correct. I could have worded it much better (if only I could write). My mind is racing between work, what I need to do and what I want to do at the moment.
I can also blame a lack of coffee, something I can fix right now.

Q. If there are to be two could we assume one in the North and one in the South?
Title: Re: Fantasy-Faction Con 2016
Post by: Phil Norris on September 13, 2015, 03:28:20 PM
Having spoken to publishers who are really keen, to help us get the bigger name authors involved and make sure we do it properly we are going to look at Feb 2017 or May 2017 for the Con. We can start planning it soon and make sure it is a huge success as opposed to something rushed that could potentially screw up future ones. Instead, we will be having another Grim Gathering event or two in 2016 so watch this space ;-)

Thanks for the update Marc and seeing how fast 2015 is going giving yourself a year and a bit to arrange makes sense.

Needless to say my offer of help where I can still stands.