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ajpmcginley

Emperor of thorns
« on: November 10, 2013, 09:05:13 PM »
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  • So i write this blog just after finishing book 3 of Marks Lawrences trilogy.. Ice never wrote a blog before but felt this book deserved it.

    I have enjoyed all three books each one more than the last. Ive read a few fantasy authors like peter brett myke cole and brent weeks. They are all great writers but mark lawrence keeps me interested from the moment i open the book.

    The ending of this book left me abit gutted at first until i read the after thought wrote by mark to us readers and it made me happy. The thing i have found unique about mark is he  is a normal bloke who is just as much a fan as the rest of us and the fact that he writes to the reader explaining why he chose to end the book the way he did speaks volumes. He is an author that if u havent read before you need to buy the books now amd you will see why i think so highly of him and if you are a fan already hopefully i am doing him justice.

    Jorg of ancrath was a character that was neither good nor evil and i ended up really liking him and understanding why he made such decisions.

    Lastly i wanted to say that i hope mark lawrence gets the recognition he deserves in the future and i hope he carries on writing books for everyone to enjoy. I didnt want to spoil the book by writing what happens and ruining it for others all i will say is get reading it asap you wont be disappointed




    Hearthweru

    Re: Emperor of thorns
    « Reply #1 on: November 11, 2013, 10:39:45 AM »
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  • He's now one of my fave authors. The writing hooks me from the first page, great prose, and Jorg is a great character. Love the Brothers too. World building (or rebuilding I guess) is fantastic too.

    These days I don't do rereads, as there's always too much new stuff to read, but I'm pretty sure I'll reread these. It'll be great to binge on them one after the other. Also liked the ending. It was the best ending possible, but not at all predictable (though I always knew who the last Brother standing would be). Looking forward to whatever Mark writes next.

    Mark Lawrence

    Re: Emperor of thorns
    « Reply #2 on: January 29, 2014, 01:05:12 PM »
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  • He's now one of my fave authors. The writing hooks me from the first page, great prose, and Jorg is a great character. Love the Brothers too. World building (or rebuilding I guess) is fantastic too.

    These days I don't do rereads, as there's always too much new stuff to read, but I'm pretty sure I'll reread these. It'll be great to binge on them one after the other. Also liked the ending. It was the best ending possible, but not at all predictable (though I always knew who the last Brother standing would be). Looking forward to whatever Mark writes next.

    Thanks! Re-reads are always a huge compliment.

    & this is next (Prince of Fools, out in June)

    http://mark---lawrence.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/prince-of-fools-uk-cover-rough.html

    ScarletBea

    Re: Emperor of thorns
    « Reply #3 on: June 10, 2014, 08:11:57 AM »
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  • I was wondering whether to post here or on the other full trilogy thread, but then I saw that one wasn't supposed to have spoilers, so here I am.

    I finished it last night, I had to, my hands wouldn't let go of the book. I feel angry and bereft, similar to when you're simply left alone. My brain hasn't returned to normal yet, it's still full of random thoughts (I could never write a proper book review that others feel useful, hehe).
    I hate to write this, but I'm not sure about the end, I'm not sure if that last bit should have been left out. Then again, the Builders bit was always lower in my books' appreciation. I also didn't exactly like Jorg's transformation with his son (the 'stick for the world to beat him') - I sort of got it in a theoretical way, but I think only parents will understand.

    That's it for my 'less positive' - the rest, oh the rest... Big spotlights shining over my life and making me think of stuff I'd rather not, drawing me into the light, back into all the crossroad moments. Quotes that will remain with me for a long long time everywhere. Life, and life again, every step of the way. Simply perfect.
    And beautiful language - I've said this for Mark's every single book, and I say it again. Writing as art.

    It will be a while until I read 'Prince of Fools', though. At the moment I feel he's occupying Jorg's space. Using Jorg's title (couldn't you have chosen a different title?). And being very very different from Jorg, from the bits and pieces I've read about it.
    So no, not yet. I'll live with Jorg for a while longer.

    (and I'll probably regret the mushy/hand in my heart comments after a while ::))
    “Beware those who do not read fantasy, for they must find their fantasy elsewhere”, A.J. Dalton

    M. G. Boronha

    Re: Emperor of thorns
    « Reply #4 on: June 10, 2014, 09:33:44 AM »
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  • That's it for my 'less positive' - the rest, oh the rest... Big spotlights shining over my life and making me think of stuff I'd rather not, drawing me into the light, back into all the crossroad moments. Quotes that will remain with me for a long long time everywhere. Life, and life again, every step of the way. Simply perfect.
    And beautiful language - I've said this for Mark's every single book, and I say it again. Writing as art.


    I'm with you on that. I'm yet to find such prose in another Fantasy author (Patrick Rothfuss comes close, but Mark Lawrence is phenomenal).

    I actually liked the ending, since most of the stuff connected to the Builders and their Artifical Intelligence really intrigued me. I finished it about a month ago, and I still feel in that hollow ground, where you need more of Jorg's story but you're done.

    I also haven't bought Prince of Fools yet, much for the same reason as you. Jorg is still too alive in my mind :)
    "If one does not know to which port one is sailing, no wind is favorable." - Seneca
    "Few things worth having can be got easily." - Mark Lawrence

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    ScarletBea

    Re: Emperor of thorns
    « Reply #5 on: June 10, 2014, 12:38:51 PM »
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  • Oh, one thing I kept thinking about in the last few days: how much would the story change, the feeling of it, if I now pick up the 3 books and read them in the story's chronological order?
    (the 'before' of the 3 books and then the 'present' of the 3 books)
    Has anyone tried?
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    Gariath

    Re: Emperor of thorns
    « Reply #6 on: September 21, 2014, 01:14:01 PM »
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  • I finally finished this trilogy a couple of weeks ago.  (Will be careful what I say -otherwise the Mark Lawrence paperclip will appear to admonish me!)

    Not sure if this a spoiler thread or not so just go to mark this whole comment as spoilers to be safe.

    Spoiler for Hiden:
    I think following an anti hero rather than a hero was an interesting choice, though can Jorg ever be considered heroic based on his actions?  (Nuking a whole country, raping women and murdering.)  And was Jorg being raped by a priest as a young boy supposed to be some form of defence for his earlier rapey bahaviour?  He certainly makes a heroic sacrifice at the end to save his son. Though the whole reveal of the dead King being his brother William as a bit convenient. Mr Lawrence is still a bit too dependent on his deus ex machinas to end his novels.  (Somebody been reading a bit too much Stephen King?)  The treatment of women in the book as well was pretty damn awful.  Having said that, I think Lawrence's prose is very good, and I enjoyed the Jorg Gap Year travels through the nuclear wastelands of Europe. 
    The last Rhega.

    Overlord

    Re: Emperor of thorns
    « Reply #7 on: September 21, 2014, 01:35:47 PM »
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  • I finally finished this trilogy a couple of weeks ago.  (Will be careful what I say -otherwise the Mark Lawrence paperclip will appear to admonish me!)

    Not sure if this a spoiler thread or not so just go to mark this whole comment as spoilers to be safe.

    Spoiler for Hiden:
    I think following an anti hero rather than a hero was an interesting choice, though can Jorg ever be considered heroic based on his actions?  (Nuking a whole country, raping women and murdering.)  And was Jorg being raped by a priest as a young boy supposed to be some form of defence for his earlier rapey bahaviour?  He certainly makes a heroic sacrifice at the end to save his son. Though the whole reveal of the dead King being his brother William as a bit convenient. Mr Lawrence is still a bit too dependent on his deus ex machinas to end his novels.  (Somebody been reading a bit too much Stephen King?)  The treatment of women in the book as well was pretty damn awful.  Having said that, I think Lawrence's prose is very good, and I enjoyed the Jorg Gap Year travels through the nuclear wastelands of Europe. 

    Hey Dom,

    I think the question you ask about Jorg is why the book is so powerful. One definition of 'good literature' I heard at University (whilst I was reading this book) is that it forces you to reflect upon your beliefs and existing values. I think that Jorg is - at times - likeable forced me to consider my existing image of evil people as always simply 'awful people' and irredeemable.

    Spoiler for Hiden:
    Then, at the end of the third novel, although I don't think the answers is 'yes', you have to at least ask yourself whether Jorg has earned some kind of redemption. If he hasn't, then has he tried (whether he believes he has or not) and, if he has/has not, what does this say about Jorg? If you do forgive him, even a little, what does this say about you and how you consider 'evil' people in the future? I guess for many readers of Christian cultures, who subscribe to the belief that everyone should be able to ask and gain forgiveness, this becomes even more conflicting.

    I still find it hard when assessing Jorg. I, in no way, think he should be going 'upstairs', but did the fact he didn't want any kind of redemption because he understood how evil he was forces us to offer him a little forgiveness? I dunno… my thoughts on Jorg are a mess and I respect Mark for having managed that.
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