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Fantasy Faction => Fantasy Book & Author Discussion => Topic started by: Bender on September 18, 2019, 12:09:43 AM

Title: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: Bender on September 18, 2019, 12:09:43 AM
The smell of paper and a new book excites me still, but it's not comparable to e-books/readers.

- Ability to switch books on the go.
- Ability to search for events that you may have misread/misunderstood on the go.
- Ease of carrying multiple books on the go.

Ebooks are the future.
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: NedMarcus on September 18, 2019, 12:58:36 AM
Yet print books are remarkably tenacious. It really looks like the future will be print books, ebooks, and audiobooks.
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: cupiscent on September 18, 2019, 02:59:29 AM
It's swings and roundabouts. My ereader was SO VERY convenient for taking overseas with me, and for reading on my commute. (Especially if I want to read Neal Stephenson...) But the software that interfaces with my ereader is no longer supported and the thing itself cannot run apps, and I literally have NO IDEA how to get library ebooks onto my ereader so... *shrug*
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: isos81 on September 18, 2019, 07:27:10 AM
Bea and I had a discussion about this. I presented my arguments and she presented hers.

There's no right or wrong here but I have to say, ebooks are the future :)
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: ScarletBea on September 18, 2019, 07:49:47 AM
ebooks are IN the future, they're not the future ;D

Yet print books are remarkably tenacious. It really looks like the future will be print books, ebooks, and audiobooks.
This.
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: Eclipse on September 18, 2019, 07:54:00 AM
I like both

Tried smelling my ebook but it’s just not the same as a paper book.

Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: CameronJohnston on September 18, 2019, 08:14:19 AM
Many many people like to get away from a screen and read a physical book. Both wll be around forever.
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on September 18, 2019, 08:20:34 AM
Many many people like to get away from a screen and read a physical book. Both wll be around forever.

+1 on this. I've spent already spent most of my time in front of a screen, so it's physical books for me all the way.
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: isos81 on September 18, 2019, 08:26:09 AM
I wonder, how many of you still write mails? Anyone still smelling the letter? Trying to stay away the screen? Or do you just send an email and notify the receiver with your cell phone :)

Books might be still around but ebook are the future ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: Lu Kudzoza on September 18, 2019, 04:26:26 PM
I wonder, how many of you still write mails? Anyone still smelling the letter? Trying to stay away the screen? Or do you just send an email and notify the receiver with your cell phone :)

Books might be still around but ebook are the future ;D ;D

What?!! You're still using email instead of just text messaging? ;D
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: Lu Kudzoza on September 18, 2019, 04:30:57 PM
I think everyone should be required to post their age with their preference.

I'm 58. I'll read either.
My wife (also 58) can't be troubled with a physical book.
Two of my kids (28 and 32) only use Ebooks.
My other kid (age 30) mostly reads physical books.

So far, no correlation of format preference to age. Oops. :)
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: Eclipse on September 18, 2019, 04:54:56 PM
I’m triple Skip’s age.
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: Skip on September 18, 2019, 05:00:38 PM
@Eclipse, that would make you 204 years old. Clearly an elf. You can no longer hide it.
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: Skip on September 18, 2019, 05:07:36 PM
@ScarletBea has the right of it, as do others. Both. Here's an example.

For reading novels, it's almost always ebooks for me, for a somewhat odd reason. I read on my phone. The habit started while I was still working. I could steal a few minutes of reading time. A bookworm's version of a walk in the park.

But I'm also a historian and I have a couple hundred books (did a heartless harrowing a few years back) of scholarly works. I still consult them from time to time. Trust me, the quickest way to know what David Abulafia has to say about Emperor Otto's dealings with the Hohenstaufen is to scan. If all I wanted was the Battle of Bouvines, then sure, a search in an ebook probably does the job. But scanning an ebook is incredibly frustrating because it's so sloooow. Add to that my spatial memory--I can remember that a wanted passage was on the verso page about mid-way down--and the physical book still has it all over the ebook. Then add in something like Jansson's History of Art. Then add the wonderful fact of humans, who will perversely persist in doing as they please.

There's a place for physical books. At the same time, I find reading a novel in a physical book to be clumsy and annoying. And I gave up book sniffing years ago when I learned about archivist's lung. Just sort of lost the charm.

Both. Indisputably.
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: Bender on September 18, 2019, 05:20:41 PM
I still find bookstores charming. Just came out of Barnes and Noble store here and just browsing books on shelves is a fantastic way to kill time.
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: JRTroughton on September 18, 2019, 09:38:49 PM
I like both.

Kindle Voyage is brilliant for reading in bed due to the adaptive light. I bounce between physical copies and ebooks, generally picking up Big Fantasy Tomes on Kindle for the sake of convenience.

I do miss the cover art though.
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: cupiscent on September 18, 2019, 11:20:36 PM
Trust me, the quickest way to know what David Abulafia has to say about Emperor Otto's dealings with the Hohenstaufen is to scan. If all I wanted was the Battle of Bouvines, then sure, a search in an ebook probably does the job. But scanning an ebook is incredibly frustrating because it's so sloooow. Add to that my spatial memory--I can remember that a wanted passage was on the verso page about mid-way down--and the physical book still has it all over the ebook.

Gosh yes, THIS. Thing is, I also do this for fiction. Author drops a new hint on page 257, which makes me go, "Oh HEY, what if this guy is THAT guy's brother??" If I'm reading a physical book, I flip back and find the previous material that I think connects up on this (which is easy to do because I remember that spatial element, and where it came related to other happenings in the book, it's so quick and easy) and see if it says what I thought it did. I can't do that with an e-book.

Not to mention the unbelievable pain in my arse that footnotes represent on e-reader. All notes are endnotes to an e-reader (or at least to my e-reader), and that quick flick of the eyes that doesn't interrupt the reading becomes an arduous process. It's possibly that part of why I stopped reading Jay Kristoff's Nevernight was because I couldn't be bothered with clicking through on multiple footnotes per page, and a lot of the good jokes were in the footnotes.
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: Lanko on September 19, 2019, 12:37:36 AM

- Ability to search for events that you may have misread/misunderstood on the go.


I switched to full Kindle years ago, but this one really doesn't work for me. I have a far easier time finding those flipping pages and passing my eye over various pages really quickly than touching the screen over and over haha.
Specially when you can also use various markers (or just your fingers, really) on a lot of pages and see like, pages 30, 108 and 317 much, much more easily haha. It's a little frustrating to try to go back to check a reference or foreshadow in the Kindle.
The notes aren't really helpful for that either, specially if you make a lot of them.

The ability to highlight passages and not  feel guilty for "damaging" the book, though, that one is really irreplaceable.
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: isos81 on September 19, 2019, 08:00:32 AM
I still find bookstores charming. Just came out of Barnes and Noble store here and just browsing books on shelves is a fantastic way to kill time.

I did the same thing yesterday while waiting for my wife to pick me up :) Bookstores are nostalgic and great places for killing time.
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: ScarletBea on September 19, 2019, 08:06:35 AM
I still find bookstores charming. Just came out of Barnes and Noble store here and just browsing books on shelves is a fantastic way to kill time.

I did the same thing yesterday while waiting for my wife to pick me up :) Bookstores are nostalgic and great places for killing time.
And if everybody just did that, they'll soon vanish, sorry >:( Rent and overheads aren't paid in nostalgic feelings ::)
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: isos81 on September 19, 2019, 08:48:45 AM
I still find bookstores charming. Just came out of Barnes and Noble store here and just browsing books on shelves is a fantastic way to kill time.

I did the same thing yesterday while waiting for my wife to pick me up :) Bookstores are nostalgic and great places for killing time.
And if everybody just did that, they'll soon vanish, sorry >:( Rent and overheads aren't paid in nostalgic feelings ::)

My wife keeps refusing of me buying her an e-book reader and keeps buying paper books. The bookstores will be around at least for a while :)
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: Bender on September 19, 2019, 02:34:02 PM

I switched to full Kindle years ago, but this one really doesn't work for me. I have a far easier time finding those flipping pages and passing my eye over various pages really quickly than touching the screen over and over haha.
Specially when you can also use various markers (or just your fingers, really) on a lot of pages and see like, pages 30, 108 and 317 much, much more easily haha. It's a little frustrating to try to go back to check a reference or foreshadow in the Kindle.
The notes aren't really helpful for that either, specially if you make a lot of them.

The ability to highlight passages and not  feel guilty for "damaging" the book, though, that one is really irreplaceable.

I just use the Kindle app on my phone, but search is one of my oft used feature. When I read abook, I always keep a lookout for easter eggs author may have dropped. Esp, in a series like Malazan you have a reference to a event that happened 2 books before and using Kindle just lets me switch books on the fly, look for the reference and then get back to  current read.
Title: Re: Ebooks (and Readers) > Physical books
Post by: isos81 on September 19, 2019, 02:45:42 PM

I switched to full Kindle years ago, but this one really doesn't work for me. I have a far easier time finding those flipping pages and passing my eye over various pages really quickly than touching the screen over and over haha.
Specially when you can also use various markers (or just your fingers, really) on a lot of pages and see like, pages 30, 108 and 317 much, much more easily haha. It's a little frustrating to try to go back to check a reference or foreshadow in the Kindle.
The notes aren't really helpful for that either, specially if you make a lot of them.

The ability to highlight passages and not  feel guilty for "damaging" the book, though, that one is really irreplaceable.

I just use the Kindle app on my phone, but search is one of my oft used feature. When I read abook, I always keep a lookout for easter eggs author may have dropped. Esp, in a series like Malazan you have a reference to a event that happened 2 books before and using Kindle just lets me switch books on the fly, look for the reference and then get back to  current read.

I never ever notice them during the read. Reread web sites point those out, tho :)