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Fantasy Faction => Fantasy Book & Author Discussion => Topic started by: Nighteyes on March 22, 2011, 08:29:55 AM

Title: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: Nighteyes on March 22, 2011, 08:29:55 AM
First prizes to whoever can shed light on the difference between  a prelude and a prologue. (The Way of Kings has both FFS!!!)

and then nominate your fave (I feel a twitter question coming up, Overlord!)

Was quite impressed by the one in Eye of the World

But faves its a toss up between the three men of the Night Watch encountering the Others beyond the Wall in Game of Thrones or the assassin Shenkt being sent on a daring assassination attempt in Way of Kings. 
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: Overlord on March 22, 2011, 08:34:59 AM
First prizes to whoever can shed light on the difference between  a prelude and a prologue. (The Way of Kings has both FFS!!!)

and then nominate your fave (I feel a twitter question coming up, Overlord!)

Was quite impressed by the one in Eye of the World

But faves its a toss up between the three men of the Night Watch encountering the Others beyond the Wall in Game of Thrones or the assassin Shenkt being sent on a daring assassination attempt in Way of Kings. 

A Prelude deals with music. An introductory or preliminary performance or event; a short piece of music that acts as an introduction to a longer piece. They're the same thing, but Prelude deals with music and Prologue deals with literature.

A Preface is an introduction to a book written by the author of the book. The preface often closes with acknowledgements of those who assisted in the project. You have the basic idea, but the Preface is what the author wants you to know at the start of the book, without revealing the whole plot or story. ~not to be confused with a foreward!~

A Foreward is an introductory essay written by a different person and precedes an author's preface.

A Prologue is an introductory section of a literary work. It often contains information establishing the situation of the characters or presents information about the setting, time period, or action. In drama, the prologue is spoken by a Chorus or by one of the principal characters.

A Preface is basically a Prologue, but it's written by the authors in their own perspective. A Prologue is just a general intro of the book with no bias or perspective implied.

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Mine would be 'Game of Thrones' for a number of reasons. Firstly it is well written... Secondly it sets the tone of the novel very well. But more importantly it gives us a piece of information that almost no one else knows... the 'ice-demons' or whatever they are, are out and they want to kill... throughout the book most are unaware of this and I really enjoy that aspect.
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: Nighteyes on March 22, 2011, 08:39:41 AM
So why the hell did Brandon Sanderson have both a prelude and a prologue in Way of Kings  ???
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: Overlord on March 22, 2011, 08:40:18 AM
Apparently when applied specifically to literature:

Preludes are typically in conjunction with music, or emotional scenes.

Prefaces are commonly flashes, flashbacks or previews of something happening at a different time from the start of the book, and are used as devices to hook the reader's curiosity and interest.

Prologues are things that are occuring at the same time as everything else, but often at a different place or from a different point of view.
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: MTMaenpaa on March 22, 2011, 08:41:11 AM
I was all geared up to post exactly what our fearless Overlord had done.  So yeah, what he said.

My favorite prologues are in A Song of Ice and Fire.  Martin uses them to present perspectives to the reader that the majority of the other characters remain unawares of.  They set the tone nicely as well, giving the reader a clear picture of what to expect.

In the same vain are Martin's Epilogues.  They again provide a separate point of view, acting as both an endcap to one story and a hint or clue on what to expect in the next book.
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: Overlord on March 22, 2011, 08:41:56 AM
So why the hell did Brandon Sanderson have both a prelude and a prologue in Way of Kings  ???

I have not read it... but here is a guess:

Apparently a prelude will be an emotional scene (I guess introducing the character / his or her circumstances) and a prologue sets the scene (I guess this would be telling you about the current state of the world?)
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: Nighteyes on March 22, 2011, 08:43:45 AM
That makes sense - I can't remember which one used the title prelude and which one prologue, but one set things up for the history of the world, and one for the current circumstances of the world. 
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: ChristinaJL on March 22, 2011, 08:47:39 AM
Game of thrones and Way of Kings.

You should tweet Sanderson and ask him why he has both, maybe?  I tweeted that I was really loving Way of Kings and he tweeted me to say thanks for reading - you might get a reply!!
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: Nighteyes on March 22, 2011, 08:49:52 AM
I tweeted him to tell him he was the master of world building and he never replied to me :(
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: Noona on March 22, 2011, 09:27:26 AM
I know of one series that has a prelude but that's because it's called the Symphony of Ages and therefore there are lots of musical references. Not read the Way of Kings yet, largely because I can't decide if I want hardback of paperback :P
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: Nighteyes on March 22, 2011, 12:59:29 PM
Overlord has tweeted Brandon Sanderson for me! LOL

totally irrelevant but this is my tweet of the day from The Jakarta Globe

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Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: pornokitsch on March 22, 2011, 02:18:21 PM
So why the hell did Brandon Sanderson have both a prelude and a prologue in Way of Kings  ???

To inflate the page count even further with unnecessary scenes?

(ducks)
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: markaw00 on March 22, 2011, 03:07:11 PM
So why the hell did Brandon Sanderson have both a prelude and a prologue in Way of Kings  ???

There are interviews and tweets out there where Brandon explained this. The prelude of The Way of Kings is for the whole of series, The Stormlight Archive.

The prologue is setting up The Way of Kings.

If I wasn't at work I would look for those tweets or interviews. Maybe when I get home.
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: markaw00 on March 22, 2011, 03:08:20 PM
Oh, and as far as my favorite prologue ever. It has to be "Dragonmount" from "The Eye of the World." It's one of the best pieces of writing in print.
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: Nighteyes on March 22, 2011, 03:23:35 PM
@markaw00 I literally just read that this morning and it inspired the whole thread! Just 3 nominations so far. Must be more suggestions!
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: Khaldun on March 22, 2011, 03:25:40 PM
GRRM, hands down. The opening prologue in a Game of Thrones is about as perfect as you can get. It is well written, it sets the tone for the series, and I'm starting to wonder how big of a hint it really was as to the end game of the series. Perhaps I've written too many essays on "opening scene as synecdoche" I don't think he could have started the series any better. It sets up the tone of uncertainty with regards to what the characters actually SHOULD be afraid of. It sets up the idea that GRRM isn't afraid to kill characters if it makes sense and it serves the story. It establishes the setting (strange weather patterns, unnatural events, a giant wall, an order of men called the Night's Watch). It sets up the first chapter (they need someone to behead, after all). If it doesn't do a thousand other things that I haven't even thought of, I'd be surprised.
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: professional-liar on March 22, 2011, 03:29:12 PM
I haven't read Way of Kings, so I don't have an opinion there, but the prologue from Game of Thrones was probably the best example I can think of.  GRRM pulls up in with a very cinematic opening.  I would bet money it's the first thing we see when the TV series airs.
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
Post by: Drying Ink on March 22, 2011, 04:52:08 PM
I haven't read the Way of Kings yet (it's on my bookshelf), but my favourite (I guess it would be a preface) so far is probably from Steven Erikson's Memory of Ice. The Elder Gods finding Kallor where he is, the last person alive in his empire, and cursing him... Then Kallor cursing the three gods back. Now, that might be set a while before the remainder of the book, but it's both relevant and somewhat awesome in context.
Title: Re: Best Prologue/ Prelude to a Fantasy book/ series
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