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Offline ArhiX

Behold! The fearsome mountain of information.
« on: September 06, 2018, 09:00:57 PM »
Hello there!

Long time no see! So I came here to discuss some stuff with You all.

A few hours ago I started to read "Prince of Nothing". I heard this is a good piece of grim-dark and I like my books how I like my coffee. Wait... I actually drink coffee with milk instead of water so it is a bad comparision.

I just like dark books, because I am edgy like that.

That is better.

Anyways. I heard it is a good trilogy, and synopsis of a plot looked great. War. Gods. Apocalypse. Good stuff.
So I started reading. I went through less than 100 pages and now I sit here confused. I just don't know what is going on. So many strange names. People talking about different events. Another bunch of strange names.
There is just too much informations on waaaay too few pages. I feel like I am reading in a different language than mine.

I never had this problem while reading Way of the Kings or Mistborn. Althought the plot of these books is also far from being simple, yet informations felt, like they were poured carefully in my mind. Bit - by - bit.

While reading "Darkness that comes before" I just feel that I am too stupid to read this book.
Or maybe there really IS too much info.

Anyone read something similiar, that made you question the level of your IQ?
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Re: Behold! The fearsome mountain of information.
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2018, 09:56:28 PM »
Not many people enjoyed The Darkness that comes before over here  only a rare few, try Malazan instead or the Black Company by Glen Cook.

We had a book club of The Darkness that comes before years back and no one liked it haha


http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/(feb2012)-the-darkness-that-comes-before/chapters-1-11-(only-post-once-you-have-read-chapters-1-11)/

This topic is quite a fun read too

http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-book-discussion/r-scott-bakker/msg74267/#msg74267
« Last Edit: September 06, 2018, 11:03:53 PM by Eclipse »
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Re: Behold! The fearsome mountain of information.
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2018, 08:52:00 AM »
I rant a lot about the Darkness that comes before (just do a quick search) and I would've DNF'ed it after 100 pages if it hadn't been a book club read. It gets a little better but the underlying problems (like a main character being named 'Coitus' with a few extra Accents and Umlauts and an absolutely misogynistic world) stay the same.

I agree with Eclipse. Start Malazan instead. Much more rewarding.
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Re: Behold! The fearsome mountain of information.
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2018, 10:05:23 AM »
The author is an analytical philosopher and the series is as much a thesis of sorts as anything else, so your difficulties are understandable. It's very much intended as a vehicle to explore religion, nihilism, logic and other weighty themes.

Also the word you are looking for is "exposition"- that is for when the author or characters are supplying too much information.

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Re: Behold! The fearsome mountain of information.
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2018, 04:10:03 PM »
@ArhiX I remember someone here even posted a meme that circles around the internet about Darkness That Comes Before.

Whether it's true or not I don't know since I haven't read it yet... I need to find it again.

EDIT: Found it!





« Last Edit: September 08, 2018, 05:27:27 PM by Lanko »
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Re: Behold! The fearsome mountain of information.
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2018, 12:13:30 PM »
Awesome find, @Lanko!
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Re: Behold! The fearsome mountain of information.
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2018, 10:23:08 PM »
Oh. I read Malazan. I am one of those people who constantly spam "READ MALAZAN!" when some unlucky soul asks a question about the nexst book they should read in dark/epic/sweet puppies category on our facebook group. ;)

I also remember seeing this comic some time before. Look like I am more motivated to actually find out if it cheks-out. I love the philosophical approach, but man... I will write a note: "Dear Arhi. Don't use names from IKEA catalogue. Sincerely: Yourself."

And I just realised there is a 100 pages long glossary at the end of the book.

Neat.

Oh... And yes. Exposition is the word. :v
But I have a feeling that "Fearsome mountain of Information" fits better into this discussion :D
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