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Offline Overlord

Are 'Wheel of Time' / 'Game of Thrones' long winded?
« on: January 10, 2011, 09:25:12 AM »
Just a quick question...

When people say 'Epic Fantasy' to me I sometimes associate this with 'Space Opera' in that there is loads and loads of text about the history, politics and so on. Having not read Wheel of Time or Game of Thrones (I KNOW - OMG!) I'm still a little hesitant to read them in fear that they will not be quite up to the action type fantasy I myself enjoy - I'm quite into Weeks, Brett, Canavan and so on...

Just wondering - has anyone found the books tough to get into? I've but them both down to be read in March right now! :)
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Re: Are 'Wheel of Time' / 'Game of Thrones' long winded?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2011, 09:31:11 AM »
ASOIAF was incredibly accessible and very easy to get into. The series has not dragged yet up until now, Martin hasn't laboured too much on the World Building - the plot and characters are at the forefront.

When I started Wheel Of Time 10 of the novels had been released, and they looked DAUNTING on the shelf. And because Jordan focused a lot on building the world, in many areas the characters and plot seemed secondary tot he narration - you really do need to push yourself through some of the mush in the middle of them, and you'll often find you can just read the dialogue and skip that lengthy narration, and not be any the worse off because of it.

They're both definitely worth reading, I think Jordan, in his last novel, and Sanderson in Gathering Storm really knocked WoT back on track, and they're peaking brilliantly now.

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Re: Are 'Wheel of Time' / 'Game of Thrones' long winded?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2011, 09:50:22 AM »
When I started WOT I read them like crazy, and then it all stopped, cos I had read what they had. After that it was one book a year, or every second year. I think those long waits saved the books for me. Because I was so hyped up that even if it was one long passage about what the had for breakfast..going over 100 pages, I still loved it.

But yes I do confess to have skimmed parts *perrin coughs*

Could WOT be shorter..oh yes! But then there never meant to be 14 books, things just got out of hand.

As for Martin, how many books do he have? Not many I think. Those I just have not read cos I started and then he went on a killing spree and I got sad
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Re: Are 'Wheel of Time' / 'Game of Thrones' long winded?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2011, 09:54:18 AM »
As for Martin, how many books do he have? Not many I think. Those I just have not read cos I started and then he went on a killing spree and I got sad

That's what I enjoyed about Martin's books, and not to spoil it for the OP, but everyone you like in those stories dies ( with the exception of Tyrion up to this point ). It's a refreshing change from the fantasy norm; because I feel that if I read one more passage about people conquering dark lords with the power of love, I figuratively feel like my head will explode over my desk.  

Less love, more grit.

Offline Overlord

Re: Are 'Wheel of Time' / 'Game of Thrones' long winded?
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2011, 10:05:56 AM »
ASOIAF was incredibly accessible and very easy to get into. The series has not dragged yet up until now, Martin hasn't laboured too much on the World Building - the plot and characters are at the forefront.

When I started Wheel Of Time 10 of the novels had been released, and they looked DAUNTING on the shelf. And because Jordan focused a lot on building the world, in many areas the characters and plot seemed secondary tot he narration - you really do need to push yourself through some of the mush in the middle of them, and you'll often find you can just read the dialogue and skip that lengthy narration, and not be any the worse off because of it.

They're both definitely worth reading, I think Jordan, in his last novel, and Sanderson in Gathering Storm really knocked WoT back on track, and they're peaking brilliantly now.

Brilliant summary - thank you very much for that js :)
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Re: Are 'Wheel of Time' / 'Game of Thrones' long winded?
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2011, 10:59:48 AM »
Well I am a girl so I like love,  ;D But ok killing evil gods with the power of love is a bit too much for me too. But as long as the guy or girl, I root for lives I am happy. I blame those damn happily ever after books I read as a teen, *curses Harlequin*

Now it looks like I need love and stuff in fantasy, I do not! Love is fine, just do not show it. Anyway, kind of lost interest in Martin cos I had no one to like. Suddenly I stood there without anyone to root for, I hated the rest, and espeically that idiot Daenyrs. I cant read a book where I hate everyone. If I ever start again I know who to like, yes I have asked who still lives  ;)
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Re: Are 'Wheel of Time' / 'Game of Thrones' long winded?
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2011, 12:48:15 PM »
Anyway, kind of lost interest in Martin cos I had no one to like. Suddenly I stood there without anyone to root for, I hated the rest, and espeically that idiot Daenyrs. I cant read a book where I hate everyone. If I ever start again I know who to like, yes I have asked who still lives  ;)
Ah, see - i've always championed Tyrion right from the start, and in the later books he plays a greater and greater role. There's something about that scheming twisted dwarf that I like.

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Re: Are 'Wheel of Time' / 'Game of Thrones' long winded?
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2011, 01:24:16 PM »
I love Tyrion and Dany. I hope they have children together.

Spoiler for Hiden:
On a side note: I saw someone mention in a different thread that Arya was dead...I admit AFfC is the only one I only read once, but I don't remember her dying... I remember her position being seriously compromised, i.e., strong implications of her death, but not actual confirmation. Can anyone confirm? Thanks!

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Re: Are 'Wheel of Time' / 'Game of Thrones' long winded?
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2011, 02:44:41 PM »
Having not read Wheel of Time or Game of Thrones (I KNOW - OMG!)

My name is Michael and I have not read Robert Jordan or George RR Martin...(Hi Michael!)

I tried to read Eye of the World many years ago, but found it too much like Tolkien, so I put it away. I have toyed with trying it again this year, but I have so much that I want to read, I may not get to it.

I do have A Game of Thrones on my current TBR list. I have so many good things about it that I want to check it out. It is part of my effort to expand my fantasy reading past Tolkien, Salvatore, Eddings, Anthony and Lawhead.
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Re: Are 'Wheel of Time' / 'Game of Thrones' long winded?
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2011, 06:14:07 PM »
When I finally got around to reading The Wheel of Time, I blitzed through the first five books in record fashion. I found them incredibly repetitive and dull. And then realized that I'd actually read them in the wrong order and it didn't matter.

Afraid I haven't been back to them since.

(I'm aware that I'm a minority opinion on this one.)

I do like the GRRM books, although they've sort of lost their novelty. When they first came out, he was the only mass-market-low-fantasy-that-reads-like-The-Wire author in that space. Now there are a bunch, and he's not even the best of them.

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Re: Are 'Wheel of Time' / 'Game of Thrones' long winded?
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2011, 06:18:42 PM »
Can anyone confirm? Thanks!
Spoiler for Hiden:
I thought she was just blinded?

Offline ChristinaJL

Re: Are 'Wheel of Time' / 'Game of Thrones' long winded?
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2011, 07:14:31 PM »
Well, I've read all the Song of Ice and Fire books so far, plus the first of the WoT.  I enjoyed the first 3 of the Martin's books - however, I did plod through and skip parts of a Feast of Crows as it concentrated on a whole load of characters I was less interested in and none of some of my favourites.   ::) 

I didn't find the first WoT book long winded, I really enjoyed it - however it did take me 5 days to read, so maybe it was longer.   :P

Offline Itachimaru

Re: Are 'Wheel of Time' / 'Game of Thrones' long winded?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2011, 07:26:02 PM »
Can anyone confirm? Thanks!
Spoiler for Hiden:
I thought she was just blinded?

Spoiler for Hiden:
Arya blinded, for now at least! Kick ass character and I would love to see her further developed in her skills. Mystery Assassin for sure!

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Anyway, kind of lost interest in Martin cos I had no one to like. Suddenly I stood there without anyone to root for, I hated the rest, and espeically that idiot Daenyrs. I cant read a book where I hate everyone. If I ever start again I know who to like, yes I have asked who still lives

John, Arya,Sansa,... Full of lovable characters??

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Well, I've read all the Song of Ice and Fire books so far, plus the first of the WoT.  I enjoyed the first 3 of the Martin's books - however, I did plod through and skip parts of a Feast of Crows as it concentrated on a whole load of characters I was less interested in and none of some of my favourites.

Very true, the same for me. Too much jabbering about "minor" characters, but even-so it is a definitely must read!!
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Re: Are 'Wheel of Time' / 'Game of Thrones' long winded?
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2011, 07:44:42 PM »
in regards to wheel of time;

Descriptive, very descriptive, do you care about the color of the reflection of the moss colored leaf flittering off the branch toward the pebble strewn sand, the golden sun reflecting off the rounded stones... (this is NOT a WoT quote) but you get the drift.... for pages... and pages. it can get really really hard to sift through at points. the story is fantastic though. good characterization, depth. a whole world full of cast. probably 30 fully fleshed sub-characters with equal amount of sub-plots. keep a notebook, you'll need it

in regards to song of ice and fire;

it moves much faster than WoT, my biggest beef as Im pretty sure ive stated other places is that he kills everybody I care about off.

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Re: Are 'Wheel of Time' / 'Game of Thrones' long winded?
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2011, 09:26:31 PM »
No why did I go and read those spoilers..hihi  ::)

Nope never liked Sansa and Arya, or Jon...but if I start reading them again (after he has finished the series) then I know who to root for
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