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Toll the Hounds: Book 2
« on: June 02, 2014, 05:20:24 PM »
Phew, dunno what to say about the Seerdomin/Redeemer/Salind story line...

The dying god is Bellurdan? Never would have guessed...
It's cool that Nimander's story picked up a bit once Clip was unavailable and the meeting with Gothos and the unknown builder of the Azath houses was interesting.

K'rul's bar. Holy shit. Mallet and Bluepearl are dead now ;( but they killed about 36 assassins. Really curious how this will proceed. Same with Barathol's illegal smithy.

It's cool to see parts of the Tiste Andii's discord with Mother Dark through Endest's eyes. Apropos, what is Caladan Brood up to know?

And Spinnock's secret mission?

I was totally sure that Traveller and Karsa would get along really well and I'm glad I was right. :)

Who is Lady Varada, the mysterious new mistress of Torvald Nom and his two idiots? Vorcan? Spite? Or, if the renegade seguleh have worked for her before, Envy?

Really enjoyed the scene where the equally mysterious castellan (one diagnoses Leff with worms and he colours his eyes orange for a month or so. Great humor.

I had the feeling that Erikson put a lot of political and philosophical monologues in this books and it started to annoy me a bit. Especially because they were quite long but written in something close to Kruppe-style...

Baruk, Crone and Rake. More plans we don't know much about.

Cutter meets Challice again. Why did she talk to him? Well, everybody has to be better than her husband, but still...

Harllo and the T'Lan Imass in the mine is something I really want to read more about too. Great start of a friendship so far.

And Mappo and Gruntle with the Trygalle off to Letheras - that will be funny too I guess.

I'm sure I forgot some important parts... we'll see. :)
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Re: Toll the Hounds: Book 2
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2014, 07:01:23 PM »
Ardatha hmm and what's she planning with Mappo

Always enjoy reading about the Trygalle Trade Guild now the Mott Irregulars,Mappo and Gruntle have joined I wouldn't like to mess with them atm

I wanted to jump in the novel and smash the Shepard in with what he did to Harllo

Wonder what Dev'ad Anan Tol will do next Raest and the Bonecasters feared him with his ideas and inventions

Scorch & Leff with the job interview with the Castellan  :)

I'm happy Duiker is talking to the Bard might make him feel better  (it's Fisher Kel Tath right)

The Seerdomin,Spinnock,Redeemer and Salind felt we spent far too long/time on there misery's  with them for me but it was good to see Itkovian at the end of the book

I didn't understand What Gothos wanted to know with Nimander and Skintick  ??? can someone explain to me

lazan Door & Madrun would never have guessed there were renegade Seguleh

Do you think Spindle a tribute to One eye from the Black Company? Both minor mage ,Both cheat at cards or try too , Both wear wear a revolting piece of clothes One Eye a Hat and Spindle a Vest  :)

Exciting fight in K'rull Bar Mallet "kick open the gate ,Whiskeyjack" there be no Bridgeburners left at this rate  :(
but where is Spindle you know the one half mage half sapper   he wore a disgusting vest made out of his mom's hair I remember him because he reminded me of One eye from the Black Company I liked it when Spindle used his warren animals turned up from nowhere haha

Brood and Endest talking about the Jaghut and Forkrul Assail very Interesting

Before i forget I'm not a fan of clip and hope he gets bumped off  ;D
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Re: Toll the Hounds: Book 2
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2014, 10:02:40 AM »
Part 2 down and yeeesh how things can turn dark in this series so quickly…

Not sure what to think of the Seerdomin/Salind storyline. I quite like Seerdomin in Part 1, then I didn’t for most of this part, then I did again right at the end. Never liked Salind – pointless character, and a kinda pointless subplot really. I liked seeing a version of Itkovian again and it was sometimes interesting, but there was way too much religious philosophising and it was ultimately long-winded.

Still enjoying Nimander et al. The section with Gothos was brilliant to read (so Raest and Icarium are brothers!) though I’ve no idea what it was ultimately all about either Eclipse! There’s a new House of the Azath out there somewhere though…

The Dying God was Bellurdan. Huh. Not much else to say there. I enjoyed following this group, but this particular thread was a bit dull and again seemingly pointless. We hate Clip and yet we’ve to follow this whole plotline about saving him? Ugh. And now all is back to normal again.

No idea what Spinnock’s mission is. It was great seeing Caladan Brood again. I don’t think he’s up to much by the looks of it! Also very cool seeing some of Kharkanas and an old memory of a meeting between Andarist, Rake and Ruin.

Love reading about Traveller and Karsa. Brilliant stuff.

I’m pretty sure Lady Varada is Envy – got to be surely? Scorch and Leff are hilarious.

Gruntle and the Trygalle Trade Guild – really hoping for more of this.

Harllo and the T’lan Imass in the mine was great – not enough of it though!

And I suppose I should mention what has to be one of the best action scenes (and one of the most vicious) Erikson has written yet. The fight in K’rul’s bar…jeez. Mallet’s ‘Kick open the gate, Whiskeyjack’ honestly gave me chills. An incredible sequence.

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I'm happy Duiker is talking to the Bard might make him feel better  (it's Fisher Kel Tath right)

Yup! So cool. Looks like he knows how to handle himself too...

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where is Spindle you know the one half mage half sapper

Been wondering the same thing! Hope he pops up soon...

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Brood and Endest talking about the Jaghut and Forkrul Assail very Interesting

I assume they were talking about Assail? Hinting to what's going on there? Would explain why T'lan Imass would be there too - they hate Jaghut.
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Re: Toll the Hounds: Book 2
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2014, 07:05:45 PM »
Part 2 down and yeeesh how things can turn dark in this series so quickly…
You didn't expect it to be a happy-sunshine book, did you? ;)

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Not sure what to think of the Seerdomin/Salind storyline.
Nearly my words. :)

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Still enjoying Nimander et al. The section with Gothos was brilliant to read (so Raest and Icarium are brothers!) though I’ve no idea what it was ultimately all about either Eclipse! There’s a new House of the Azath out there somewhere though…
I need to know more of the builder, that (last?) house, etc. And Gothos obviously isn't a mere Azath house keeper. Quite interesting all in all! Gothos is generally a quite fascinating character, meddling in all major events...
 
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No idea what Spinnock’s mission is.
Just wait...  :o ;D :-X

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I’m pretty sure Lady Varada is Envy – got to be surely?
Well...  ;)

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And I suppose I should mention what has to be one of the best action scenes (and one of the most vicious) Erikson has written yet. The fight in K’rul’s bar…jeez. Mallet’s ‘Kick open the gate, Whiskeyjack’ honestly gave me chills. An incredible sequence.
It was too short for my taste but otherwise totally agree with you.
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Re: Toll the Hounds: Book 2
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2014, 09:29:56 AM »
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You didn't expect it to be a happy-sunshine book, did you?

The BOOK OF THE FALLEN you mean?  ;)

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It was too short for my taste but otherwise totally agree with you.

I thought, for a sudden and no doubt actually very quick - and brutal - tavern brawl/assassination it was exactly the right length. Where could it have been extended and why?
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Re: Toll the Hounds: Book 2
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2014, 05:03:34 PM »
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It was too short for my taste but otherwise totally agree with you.

I thought, for a sudden and no doubt actually very quick - and brutal - tavern brawl/assassination it was exactly the right length. Where could it have been extended and why?
I said it wrong. For my Erikson-accustomed Malazan taste it just was surprisingly short. ;)
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Re: Toll the Hounds: Book 2
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2014, 12:08:20 AM »
Fluffin' 'eck!.  :o

Ok. Anyone that says they saw the Bellurdan twist coming is a liar. Seriously. I bet even Erikson didn't know where that particular storyline was going until he got there, ffs!  ::)

Loving the Nimander & Co. storyline, otherwise though. Great to finally start to see what they are capable of - it took just three of them to slaughter an entire village of kelyk-crazed zombies!! And I love the way that Nimander is only just starting to remove his head from his own backside and become more aware of the talents that are at his disposal among the rest of the group. What a team! - they could truly be a force to be reckoned with, given half a chance...and I   soooooooo hope they get one! Their journey has been really creepy-cool too. Awesome stuff.  :)

Like everyone else, I have yet to see the point of the Seerdomin/Salind storyline...but yes, it is good to have Itkovian back. Maybe they are setting up Itkovian with a support system so that in the end he will be strong enough to absorb the pain of the Crippled God? Bit of a stretch, but I can't see this going anywhere else just yet.

The whole Kruppe-Narrator thing is either annoying me or amusing me depending on my mood, lol. It's very theatrical but ultimately unnecessary, I feel.

Can't say that I am overly concerned with what Spinnock, Endest and Brood are up to...Rake knows what he is doing and I think the less we know now, the more fun it will be finding out later  :D

I have to say though....since we have been spending such a lot of time with the Andii in this book, I am really hoping we get to find out if Korlat is ok.  :(

Really glad that Duiker wasn't in the bar when the proverbial hit the wind machine....after everything he's been through I think he deserves a better end than that...the book I'm reading would have literally been thrown across the room in disgust if that had happened.
An attack was always going to happen, once the guild realised that they couldn't take out the surviving Bridgeburners one by one.....Quite surprised that they weren't better prepared actually.

Karsa and Traveller teaming up is a bit of a scary thought....especially as Kallor seems to have the same idea....got to wonder if when push comes to shove at the final showdown if everyone will end up on the one side.... ???

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Re: Toll the Hounds: Book 2
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2014, 07:58:29 PM »
Ok. Anyone that says they saw the Bellurdan twist coming is a liar. Seriously. I bet even Erikson didn't know where that particular storyline was going until he got there, ffs!  ::)
Yeah, that was totally strange. No idea what that was for. "Hey Steven, let's make the Nimander storyline a bit more weird." "Great idea, Steven!"  ;) ;D

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Loving the Nimander & Co. storyline, otherwise though. Great to finally start to see what they are capable of - it took just three of them to slaughter an entire village of kelyk-crazed zombies!! And I love the way that Nimander is only just starting to remove his head from his own backside and become more aware of the talents that are at his disposal among the rest of the group. What a team! - they could truly be a force to be reckoned with, given half a chance...and I   soooooooo hope they get one! Their journey has been really creepy-cool too. Awesome stuff.  :)
Well said. It was past time they showed their heritage!

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Like everyone else, I have yet to see the point of the Seerdomin/Salind storyline...but yes, it is good to have Itkovian back. Maybe they are setting up Itkovian with a support system so that in the end he will be strong enough to absorb the pain of the Crippled God? Bit of a stretch, but I can't see this going anywhere else just yet.
I agree. But on the other hand I'm not expecting every one of Erikson's storylines to go somewhere.
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The whole Kruppe-Narrator thing is either annoying me or amusing me depending on my mood, lol. It's very theatrical but ultimately unnecessary, I feel.
Absolutely.

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I have to say though....since we have been spending such a lot of time with the Andii in this book, I am really hoping we get to find out if Korlat is ok.  :(
Heartbroken but otherwise okay you mean?

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Really glad that Duiker wasn't in the bar when the proverbial hit the wind machine....after everything he's been through I think he deserves a better end than that...the book I'm reading would have literally been thrown across the room in disgust if that had happened.
Still hope he will find solace and peace someday.

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An attack was always going to happen, once the guild realised that they couldn't take out the surviving Bridgeburners one by one.....Quite surprised that they weren't better prepared actually.
They aren't the first to underestimate the bridgeburners.  ;D

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Karsa and Traveller teaming up is a bit of a scary thought....especially as Kallor seems to have the same idea....got to wonder if when push comes to shove at the final showdown if everyone will end up on the one side.... ???
I thought it was really great that they saw that they were too alike to be enemies. And how irritated Sammar Dev was about it.  :D
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Re: Toll the Hounds: Book 2
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2014, 09:26:18 PM »
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Like everyone else, I have yet to see the point of the Seerdomin/Salind storyline...but yes, it is good to have Itkovian back. Maybe they are setting up Itkovian with a support system so that in the end he will be strong enough to absorb the pain of the Crippled God? Bit of a stretch, but I can't see this going anywhere else just yet.
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I agree. But on the other hand I'm not expecting every one of Erikson's storylines to go somewhere.

I should probably stop expecting that too!  :D ::)

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I have to say though....since we have been spending such a lot of time with the Andii in this book, I am really hoping we get to find out if Korlat is ok.  :(
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Heartbroken but otherwise okay you mean?

Yep, that is what I mean.  :)

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An attack was always going to happen, once the guild realised that they couldn't take out the surviving Bridgeburners one by one.....Quite surprised that they weren't better prepared actually.
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They aren't the first to underestimate the bridgeburners.  ;D

Er...I was referring to the Bridgeburners! I would have expected them to be better prepared!!  :D


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Re: Toll the Hounds: Book 2
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2020, 04:32:27 PM »
Here we go!
In book 1 I'm usually drowning, while by book 2 I've remembered how to swim and I'm paddling along ;D

* Mappo travelling with the Guild, so cool! I wondered if Letheras was too far away, I managed to find a 'global' map on the wiki site, but it's still confusing...

* Nimander helping the Elder build an Azath house! Will there be any significance for the future?

* Torvald, Scorch and Leff as guards --> such funny scenes ;D

* There's a lot more descriptions and monologues in this book... I'm still not sure how I feel about it...
In one of his monologues, Kruppe refers to himself as a serpent/eel: is this just an expression or will there be any significance, a hint of something else? Who exactly is he??

* The mines! Poor Harllo :'( But when he found the T'Lan Imass, so cool

* Kruppe: "I'm so gasted of flabber!" ;D ;D

* Karsa, Traveller and Samar Dev, such a great group!

* The attack on Krul's Bar, deaths :'(

* What was the point of the Dying God plot? It doesn't seem to have done anything...

* Poor Seerdomin :(

Some quotes I really liked:
"History is nothing more than a host of lessons nobody wants to pay attention to"
"It was our cowardice that permitted such crimes in the first place. No tyrant could thrive where every subject said no"

Oh, how come the Traveller mentioned Duiker being around at the same time as Shadowthrone before godhood? Isn't he supposed to  be a 'normal' person?
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Re: Toll the Hounds: Book 2
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2020, 09:01:47 PM »
In one of his monologues, Kruppe refers to himself as a serpent/eel: is this just an expression or will there be any significance, a hint of something else? Who exactly is he??
Uhm, the "Eel"? The (criminal) mastermind from Darujhistan from Gardens of the Moon. ;)

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Oh, how come the Traveller mentioned Duiker being around at the same time as Shadowthrone before godhood? Isn't he supposed to  be a 'normal' person?
Yes, but Shadowthrone is a young god. It's maximum 30 years ago (no idea about the correct timeline) since Kellanved became Shadowthrone and Dancer the Rope.
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Re: Toll the Hounds: Book 2
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2020, 09:04:46 PM »
Oh, I thought we were talking centuries... but you're right, since we have the same Empress.

And duh! Although GotM was read aaaaages ago :-[

One day, when I'm retired, I will re-read these books taking notes and making timelines for each little thing ;D
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