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Title: The Bonehunters: book 2
Post by: xiagan on April 14, 2014, 12:48:04 PM
Oh boy. What a book.

Ending with the relatively certain and senseless deaths of Heboric, Cutter, Scillara and Greyfrog.
I'm still not convinced, because, hey, why built a character like Heboric, make him Destriant of Treach and on his way back to the Jade pillar just to kill him halfway there?
And didn't cutter take the spear of Hood's soldier? If not, why not? He forgot it for a reason in that temple I think!
Who are these T'Lan Imass (Karsa's ex-gods?) and why do they kill them in the first place? Using flies as a cover? There's definitely something more to it...

Y'Gathan. It was f*cking intense to read about the soldiers in the burning city and about their escape through its bowels. Really love Corabb's character growth and that he isn't blindly following Leoman anymore.

Why's Sinn described as a child all the time? Isn't she a young woman? I had that impression when she met Kalam at the cliffside fortress.

I wonder what the Queen of Dreams is at...

One of the Bole Brothers from the Mott Irregulars. No wonder he's batshit crazy...

When Paran summoned the deaths of Raraku, I expected Felisin to show up. I wonder why she didn't...

And now we finally know which world/warren was flooded by the Tiste Edur. Paran dealing with Shadowthrone was cool.
I'm just wondering where he sent that guardian. A bit careless to send a beast like that somewhere without knowing where...

Hedge is cool. I hope he isn't stuck there...

Bottle saved the day more than once and he has a connection to that Eres'al woman who is pregnant from Trull Segar - a child who could possibly be the ruler of a mended Shadow warren? Don't see Shadowthrone and Cotillion leaving if they don't get a better offer, though. ;)

Who is Apsalar to kill? Certainly neither Kalam nor Quick Ben. Pearl?

What I don't get if why the Deragoth are needed to kill the T'rolbarahl if Mappo managed to kill two out of seven, Karsa should be able to kill them all.

Iskaral Put the Magi of Shadow and Mappo cut loose from Icarium. The nameless ones are really bastards, replacing Mappo like this. And it feels as if their intention changed. They now definitely want to use Icarium's wrath. But against whom?

There's too much going on in these books. I feel I missed half what happened in this one...
Title: Re: The Bonehunters: book 2
Post by: Eclipse on April 18, 2014, 07:17:21 PM
Yes I don't think Heboric group is dead with all those flies I thought we might see the character from Deadhouse gate from the prologue show up again

The whole chapter on Y'Gathan siege was  awesome really exciting  to read about you didn't know who would die I never thought Truth would die  :(

Corabb is getting more and more interesting to read about I can see him and Fid working together in the future

Bottle and the rat  :)  and the  rat biting everyone who escaped Y'Gathan  protection or not?

The honey dreams what did Crump do to to his brothers..

I like reading Balm little scenes with Deadsmell with his confusion

Dejim Nebrahl doesn't seem that powerful to me compared to the other great powers which show up in malazan

Mogora doesn't work for me so far I prefer reading Pust on his own (whose Ardata?)

Paran got a new travelling companion Ganath and I also enjoyed Paran little chat with Shadowthrone  :)



Title: Re: The Bonehunters: book 2
Post by: Jeni on April 24, 2014, 02:10:04 AM
Well I totally did not see that coming... :o :o :(

Ending with the relatively certain and senseless deaths of Heboric, Cutter, Scillara and Greyfrog.
I'm still not convinced, because, hey, why built a character like Heboric, make him Destriant of Treach and on his way back to the Jade pillar just to kill him halfway there?
And didn't cutter take the spear of Hood's soldier? If not, why not? He forgot it for a reason in that temple I think!
Yes I don't think Heboric group is dead with all those flies I thought we might see the character from Deadhouse gate from the prologue show up again

I can't believe they are all dead.  :( ???

I can't see Coltillion letting Cutter die because it would hurt Apsalar too much and I think he actually really cares about her.

I'm not sure that Scillara recieved an immediately fatal wound...the sword went through her shoulder.

Heboric....'bout time someone put him (and his companions...and us? :P) out of his misery.

Felisin wasn't actually mentioned in the attack so we'll have to wait and see about her.

Greyfrog lost two limbs....can he grow them back? Will that kill him? I'll be absolutely gutted if this is already the end of  my favourite character in the whole series so far  :( :'( :( :o

The flies - a D'Ivers??
Maybe the Imass just happened to be there and thought they were under attack because they couldn't see who was coming through the flies so they 'fought back' and ended up killing the group?? Bit of a stretch, but at this point I can't see any real reason for them to attack.

Y'Ghatan.  :o :o

Bloody hell.

Y'Gathan. It was f*cking intense to read about the soldiers in the burning city and about their escape through its bowels.
The whole chapter on Y'Gathan siege was  awesome really exciting  to read about you didn't know who would die I never thought Truth would die  :(

Yes. This^^.

The build up was great...the new soldiers were bricking it because most of them had never been into battle, and being reassured by the fact that the veterans were obviously feeling the same way.

I wondered what Leoman wanted all that oil for....that was just plain Evil - and then to just bugger off and leave everyone to such a hideously cruel death! - GRRRRRR >:( >:( >:(
....and he made a deal with the Queen of Dreams, so that means he'll be running around doing her bidding to pay off the favour for a bit, presumably.
Hope when he dies it is a tortuously painful death.
In a fire.  .... Is there a God of Karma?? :P

Hellian was great....for someone that can barely chain a coherent sentence together because she is usually permanently drunk, she turned out to be a bit of a hero - much to her disgust, ha! :D

Shame about Truth, I wasn't expecting that either...wonder if he ascended?

Corabb. His whole world got turned upside down. But instead of crumbling under the weight of new truths he adjusted his view and became a wiser man - without damaging his own moral compass and his sense of honour and loyalty... he was fully prepared to die to save the life of a soldier from an army that would see him dead.  Well, Fid won't let that happen - Corabb'll likely become permanent member of his unit. Fantastic character development.

The journey through the tunnels was one of the best sequences in any of the books so far....the fear, the claustrophobia, the descent into madness, the banter, the danger....and the hallucinogenic honey - that was great...kept them spaced out long enough for the honey to heal their wounds, and we got to witness some of the trippy dreams - awesome! :D

I was really glad they all got out - I didn't expect them all to make it tbh. That was a nice surprise.  :)

Bottle is getting a bit too obsessed with that rat - lets hope that now it has bitten him too, he'll calm down a bit. He wasn't looking forward to meeting Ben before...wonder how that will turn out...he might even be able to teach Ben a thing or two about Hold/Elder magic, hehe  ;)

Who is Apsalar to kill? Certainly neither Kalam nor Quick Ben. Pearl?

Pearl is the most likely at the moment...but Cotillion could have got Lostara Yil to do that....Maybe someone else that we haven't seen as a threat yet? He asked Yil if she'd be able to choose loyalty between Laseen and Tavore - maybe he's going for one of them? Although I don't fancy his/Apsalar's chances on either of those counts tbh...Maybe she is just going to travel with the 14th until they reach the fleet...Maybe Nok is the target?
Lol ... could be anyone ;D

Glad Mappo isn't dead...although I'm not sure he is....

Mogora doesn't work for me so far I prefer reading Pust on his own (whose Ardata?)

I thought the ritual she used was hysterical ... pissing on all the stones, then cocooning him in spider thread and appearing to pull the moon closer to increase the healing power...Erikson has some imagination!! :D

I'm guessing Ardata is the Elder God / Ascendant that Mogora serves. A new one for us...I'm pretty sure we haven't come across her yet - unless she has been using another name, of course.

What I don't get if why the Deragoth are needed to kill the T'rolbarahl if Mappo managed to kill two out of seven, Karsa should be able to kill them all.
Dejim Nebrahl doesn't seem that powerful to me compared to the other great powers which show up in malazan

Karsa killed two of the Hounds and Mappo killed two of the seven forms of the Dejim Nebrahl, which is a D'Ivers? I don't see the panic either...although the Nebrahl did say it could re-grow replacements for the two that were killed...and additional forms if it could feed on enough blood....so I guess time is of the essence with that one.
 
Gral now has Icarium and is supposed to be tracking the demon...maybe he is planning on having Icarium kill it?

Not sure why Paran is getting involving himself in that case...maybe he can't risk trusting that the other 'players' will get the job done quick enough or thoroughly enough? Actually, still can't figure out what his purpose is...apart from cheating the rules of the deck by making up new ones at whim... ???

Love the Trygalle Trading Guild more every time we stumble across them! Is there anywhere they can't go? Anything they can't deliver? Awesome.






Title: Re: The Bonehunters: book 2
Post by: Idlewilder on April 24, 2014, 10:09:05 AM
Ok, so…Chapter 7 of The Bonehunters is probably the best thing I have read in fantasy. Blackwater has got nothing on this.

It was just so bloody perfect. Erikson introduced us to all the main players in the first few pages, showing us them all at their most vulnerable – right on the cusp of the siege. From the moment Bottle covers them in shadow as they run to the walls, and that lunatic from the Mott Irregulars sets off his bomb, I was properly hooked. The attacks on the streets, the oil explosions, Leoman’s betrayal, Sinn’s awesomeness, and Truth’s genuinely heartbreaking and visceral sacrifice…I was breathless reading it. And THEN it just got even MORE intense. The sequence where they were crawling under the city really ranks as one of the best scenes I have read in fiction. Erikson’s writing was astonishing. From drunken, KO’d Hellian, to Corabb and Fiddler, Throatslitter, Deadsmell, Gesler, all stuck in that enclosed space…amazing. The fever dreams were brilliantly done, and the ending actually brought on a sense of relief. Seriously, stop and think what it must have taken mentally for Gesler to go back in. I feel like I know these characters now as well as I knew The Bridgeburners and that is a great, great thing.

Most of the rest of this part was fallout from Y’ghatan, except for Paran’s storyline (which is really cool – I love the Trygalle Trade Guild), Mappo/Pust/Mogora, who I actually find really funny, and THAT ending.

I can’t talk much about that ending really as I actually read a chapter further, so I know the immediate outcome. But I will say that Erikson basically trolls the hell out of us with the quote that begins Book 3. I don’t have the book at hand, but it is basically:

not really a spoiler, but seeing as it isn't in Book 2
A quote from Heboric that basically says not everything is important, and eventually everything will be history. In other words, HAHA!

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Who is Apsalar to kill? Certainly neither Kalam nor Quick Ben. Pearl?

Tavore? Pearl? T'amber? I have no idea.  :D

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Greyfrog lost two limbs....can he grow them back? Will that kill him? I'll be absolutely gutted if this is already the end of  my favourite character in the whole series so far

Wow, really?  ???  8)

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Corabb. His whole world got turned upside down. But instead of crumbling under the weight of new truths he adjusted his view and became a wiser man - without damaging his own moral compass and his sense of honour and loyalty... he was fully prepared to die to save the life of a soldier from an army that would see him dead.  Well, Fid won't let that happen - Corabb'll likely become permanent member of his unit. Fantastic character development.

Such an amazing character.

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I thought the ritual she used was hysterical ... pissing on all the stones, then cocooning him in spider thread and appearing to pull the moon closer to increase the healing power...Erikson has some imagination!!

Definitely agreed. I think Erikson's humour works best in small doses (unless it is soldier/sapper humour which is always good). Probably why Tehol and Bugg annoyed me a bit, as they were just a constant dialogue of jokes and frequent players in Midnight Tides.

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Karsa killed two of the Hounds and Mappo killed two of the seven forms of the Dejim Nebrahl, which is a D'Ivers? I don't see the panic either...although the Nebrahl did say it could re-grow replacements for the two that were killed...and additional forms if it could feed on enough blood....so I guess time is of the essence with that one.

There has to be a reason the Troll'barahl was so heavily imprisoned by the Nameless Ones. These are the people that have been keeping a lid on Icarium, remember, so there has to be more to Dejim Nebrahl.

What a book.
Title: Re: The Bonehunters: book 2
Post by: ScarletBea on January 15, 2020, 07:56:26 AM
So, book 2, my notes without reading the previous (is anybody reading this, anyway??)

Wow, the city on fire, with olive oil! And Leoman not really caring about anything anymore!
It really felt like I was in the middle of it all, so awful... the escape, so well written, hard to read because I could feel the heat, the pain... I really liked the stories/memories of the ones drugged with that honey.

Paran calling the Raraku dead! Bridgeburners! There was a comment there that made it sound like Fiddler is also dead but going around amongst the living, but I don't think that's true...

I feel I should remember "Deragoth", that it's appeared in past books, but I can't --> first thought when I read it, later in the book it's explained they're the Hounds of Darkness, so I found out. Interesting how they have a 'match' Hound of Shadow.

Wow, while Mappo kept Icarium in the dark about his actions, this Veed now keeps reminding him! Is this as a weapon for his purposes?
And then we discover that Mappo isn't the only companion that Icarium had, there's been loads across the times!

The Trolbarahl is a puppy?? Iscaral Pust fighting! And saving Mappo! Magora the wife! The mule setting up camp! ;D

Hounds of Darkness free, Paran being truly the Master of the Deck, summoning Shadowthrone!

Wow, the attack on Heboric's gang by T'lan Imass! I can't believe they're all dead, something must be going to happen...
Title: Re: The Bonehunters: book 2
Post by: Eclipse on January 15, 2020, 07:57:29 AM
I’m reading, now go and read the previous posts and I really can’t Remember anything now terrible memory haha.
Title: Re: The Bonehunters: book 2
Post by: ScarletBea on January 15, 2020, 08:04:14 AM
:)

Yep, that's what I normally do: write my notes (I carry a notebook with me... to the point where I surprise myself with what I wrote about a few hundred pages ago ::)) and then go read what you guys write. Glad this time there wasn't that much that I thought "what? how can they remember this?", although you remembering the prologue of Deadhouse Gates is amazing :o ;D
Title: Re: The Bonehunters: book 2
Post by: Idlewilder on January 24, 2020, 12:33:57 PM
So, book 2, my notes without reading the previous (is anybody reading this, anyway??)

I am!  ;)
Title: Re: The Bonehunters: book 2
Post by: isos81 on January 24, 2020, 12:46:39 PM
Oh, Malazan... How I want to reread this magnificient series in Turkish :)
Title: Re: The Bonehunters: book 2
Post by: Bender on January 24, 2020, 12:57:55 PM
For me, Bonehunters is one of the best books in the series along with GotM, MoI and TtH.