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Reaper's Gale: finished
« on: May 29, 2014, 09:58:13 PM »
What a death toll. Makes you wonder if anybody will still be alive in the end of the series... :(
Icarium, Dusk, Dawn and Dapple, Kettle, Feather Witch, Fear and of course Beak, Trull and Toc. :( We got Hedge and Brys back, but Trull's death was so unnecessary. And Toc, well hopefully he'll find peace now and hopefully Tool will see that in time too.

Seren is pregnant from Trull - another extraordinary child? Apropos, what was up with the Forkrul Assail soul in Kettle? Why tell us that if it doesn't matter at all? Same with Nisall's confession. What was it good for? Nothing. Show's again that Erikson doesn't care about every loose thread or Chekov's gun he places.

And who was the Letherii posing as or being Redmask? Why tell us that if it doesn't get resolved.
The K'Chain Che'Malle killed him because he failed - so what was their original deal and what will happen now?

I'm wondering what Mael said to the Errant. And if he did the talking with his mouth or his fists.
The Errant was quite pathetic throughout the whole book.

Natural high mages seem to appear more often now. Poor Beak is alas gone (and maybe he's not poor because he left by his own decision and the way he wanted and is now reunited with his brother). Sinn has to develop quite a bit and I think in the next books she will.

Quite funny that all the marines (safe Gesler and Stormy) are now white haired. And wow, they are as badass as the original bridgeburners by now.

I laughed when Silchas Ruin was announced like the dragon in the Hobbit flying towards Esgaroth and then Hedge and Quick Ben send him running fast.

Hellian was a bit more funny in this book again. And she has nearly as much luck as Corabb, who was brilliant again.

Do we know Tavore's motives by now? Where will they sail/go now?

How did Withal arrive (on time) at the location of the Crippled God's hiding place?

And whereto did Karsa left? And how did he know what to do to defeat Rulad? Questions and more questions...
It's great that he didn't take the cursed sword, defying the Crippled God again. :)

So Icarium is now completely gone because his machine was broken and not able to do what he wanted, right?
Or will he be back? Maybe Mappo can find/release him?

Rud Elalle is cool, hopefully we see more of him.
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Re: Reaper's Gale: finished
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2014, 05:34:18 PM »
The fake Redmask and the awl storyline I struggled with only Toc got me through it who even when his dead he has still got only one eye when meeting Hood

Bruthen Trana/Knuckles/Kilmandaras with the Pattens hmm

Beck I didnt want him to die  :( Beck magic seem to give Fiddler insight into his squad and then fiddler goes and steps into the silver fire his got some balls

Kettle has turned into an Azath house and because of this Shadowthrone has got ways into the other realms now

Icarium and the machine (If Krull can, why not me?)  does the machine turn him to a God? makes new warrens with his lifeforce I don't know hehe

Haha Tehol Beddict the new Emperor

Damn Trull dead because of the Errant  (is this some sort of balance thing ?)


Fiddler+Cusser=one messed up soletaken  :D reminded me of the Deadhouse gate Prologue
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Re: Reaper's Gale: finished
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2014, 05:40:29 PM »
Do we know Tavore's motives by now?

To me she seems like another Laseen a competent leader but nothing special neither one are a  Coltaine/shadowthrone in my eyes
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Re: Reaper's Gale: finished
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2014, 09:59:54 AM »
This is quite a difficult one to summarise (not that any Malazan books are simple) as I found it both an excellent and unsurprisingly brilliant novel from Erikson, while at the same time thought it was occasionally frustrating and a bit pointless (for certain plotlines). Also, I know this series is DARK but this novel was easily the darkest, verging on my most-hated buzzword of the moment: GRIMDARK.

The Good:

It was great being back in Letheras. I found myself much more attached to Tehol and Bugg this time round, and the knowledge that Bugg is Mael just gave it an added depth that was constantly interesting AND funny. I thought that all the sections surrounding Rhulad and his challengers were superb (though there wasn’t nearly enough of them) and his descent into madness was so expertly done. The mysteries surrounding the Errant, much as I may not like him, was fantastic and the build-up of tension in Letheras as the economy was collapsing and the Malazans were on the way was brilliant.

Speaking of which – The Bonehunters. Hood’s balls they’re just great aren’t they? It took half the book to bring them in, but man alive I was gripped as soon as Twilight realised the Malazans were ‘on their shore’. Hard to single any of them out, really, but the guerrilla-style entry into Lether, with Fiddler’s cusser-shaving and Hellian’s ‘tavern-to-tavern’ style of infiltration was fantastic.

Beak deserves a special mention as one of the best single-book character arcs yet in this series. Erikson managed to get me attached to that character and then feel both sad and satisfied with the ending to his story.

Silchas Ruin, Seren Pedac et al I enjoyed, though I can see how some may find it tedious. Seren Pedac was probably my favourite character (except for Trull) to come out of Midnight Tides so I was invested in that storyline already. Plus getting to properly meet Silchas Ruin was brilliant. He’s not as cool, calm and collected as Anomander Rake is he?

Seeing Toc again was great, and it was a really surprising reveal. Erikson continually manages to pull out incredible twists and shocks throughout this series.

Part 4 in general was awesome. I wasn’t entirely sure why he interposed the Redmask battle with the Malazans/Letherii but I think in hindsight it worked. The final chapter was CRAZY and BRILLIANT and EPIC. Karsa’s fight with Rhulad was really well done, and the Malazans entering Letheras while chaos erupted was great. Trull’s death was probably the first since Whiskeyjack that I really felt gut-wrenching and just so horrifyingly unnecessary. And Brys Beddict back from the dead had me grinning from ear-to-ear.

The Not-So-Good:

Redmask. This whole storyline was mostly dull. It started well and I was intrigued by Redmask himself, but the Awl were terribly bland. I had no attachment to them, and if not for Toc I would have glazed over entirely. Likewise the Letherii/Tiste Edur side was as boring, with the likes of Bivatt and Bruthen Trana (is that the right one?) being dull and uninspiring. The final battle was actually really good and Toc’s death was horrible to witness, but the first two battles were boring, and seemingly the whole thing was utterly pointless?

Tanal Yathvanar. God, this guy was hard to read. It was like Erikson was trying to push the reader over the brink with torture porn that just made me feel a bit sick. The fact that he caught her a second time was annoying and entirely unnecessary.

Onrack and Tellann. I found this really boring for the most part and even Hedge and Quick Ben’s banter made it a struggle to keep interested. I just find Onrack really dull and depressing to read, and I struggled to keep everything surrounding him and the other Imass/Rud Ellale straight in my head.

The Shake ultimately seemed a little pointless and just another exercise in anthropology and race-development. Presumably they will be back but if not for the Malazans arrival I’d have struggled with this one.

Summary:

4 Stars. The good far outweighed the not-so-good, and I'm still loving Malazan. This one just felt heavier thematically and a bit experimental in places, and it didn't always work.

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Do we know Tavore's motives by now? Where will they sail/go now?

I think next up will be more Lether and possibly exploring the role of death and bringing Hood back? I'm also pretty sure Tavore has more to her than Laseen (seemingly) did. I think she stands opposed to The Crippled God.

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So Icarium is now completely gone because his machine was broken and not able to do what he wanted, right?
Or will he be back? Maybe Mappo can find/release him?

Definitely more to come from Icarium. I do hope he meets Mappo again.

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Icarium and the machine (If Krull can, why not me?)  does the machine turn him to a God? makes new warrens with his lifeforce I don't know hehe

Nice possibility. Warren of Time maybe? Could help explain a few things...  ;D
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Re: Reaper's Gale: finished
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2014, 08:57:03 PM »
This is quite a difficult one to summarise (not that any Malazan books are simple) as I found it both an excellent and unsurprisingly brilliant novel from Erikson, while at the same time thought it was occasionally frustrating and a bit pointless (for certain plotlines). Also, I know this series is DARK but this novel was easily the darkest, verging on my most-hated buzzword of the moment: GRIMDARK.
Fully agree. It had it's lengths but book four made totally up for it.

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It was great being back in Letheras. I found myself much more attached to Tehol and Bugg this time round, and the knowledge that Bugg is Mael just gave it an added depth that was constantly interesting AND funny.
Glad you finally liked the both of them! :)
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The mysteries surrounding the Errant, much as I may not like him, was fantastic and the build-up of tension in Letheras as the economy was collapsing and the Malazans were on the way was brilliant.
Mostly agree but I found the Errant a much weaker character than in MT. I know he was supposed to be weaker, darker and more chaotic but still.
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Speaking of which – The Bonehunters. Hood’s balls they’re just great aren’t they? It took half the book to bring them in, but man alive I was gripped as soon as Twilight realised the Malazans were ‘on their shore’. Hard to single any of them out, really, but the guerrilla-style entry into Lether, with Fiddler’s cusser-shaving and Hellian’s ‘tavern-to-tavern’ style of infiltration was fantastic.
Yep, it was incredible and brilliant. I was always sad when we left them for another storyline.
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Beak deserves a special mention as one of the best single-book character arcs yet in this series. Erikson managed to get me attached to that character and then feel both sad and satisfied with the ending to his story.
:( He left a massive impression for the short amount of time he was with us.

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Seren Pedac was probably my favourite character (except for Trull) to come out of Midnight Tides so I was invested in that storyline already.
Throughout the book - yes. The ending? Hm. Leaving her pregnant and without the father was a) unnecessary and b) too much cliché.

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Plus getting to properly meet Silchas Ruin was brilliant. He’s not as cool, calm and collected as Anomander Rake is he?
I liked his volatility but thought that he could have been more.

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Part 4 in general was awesome. [...] The final chapter was CRAZY and BRILLIANT and EPIC. Karsa’s fight with Rhulad was really well done, and the Malazans entering Letheras while chaos erupted was great.
Trull’s death was probably the first since Whiskeyjack that I really felt gut-wrenching and just so horrifyingly unnecessary. And Brys Beddict back from the dead had me grinning from ear-to-ear.
Completely second this. Many writers can learn a lot from Erikson's last chapter(s).
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Redmask. [...] seemingly the whole thing was utterly pointless?
I think so - but we can't be sure until we've read all the books. There may be a relevance concerning the reappearing K'Chain Che'Malle.

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The Shake ultimately seemed a little pointless and just another exercise in anthropology and race-development.
I have the feeling that Erikson only did this to show off a bit how good he is at world building. He doesn't need to - we already know how brilliant he is with that...

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I'm also pretty sure Tavore has more to her than Laseen (seemingly) did. I think she stands opposed to The Crippled God.
I certainly hope so! And I'd like to see her and Ganoes meet again (just before the final battle?)

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Definitely more to come from Icarium. I do hope he meets Mappo again.
I'm sure he will. I don't think Mappo would still live otherwise.

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Nice possibility. Warren of Time maybe? Could help explain a few things...  ;D
Warren of Time sounds absolutely awesome. We'll see... ;)
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Re: Reaper's Gale: finished
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2014, 09:21:45 AM »
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Mostly agree but I found the Errant a much weaker character than in MT. I know he was supposed to be weaker, darker and more chaotic but still.

Interesting to view the Errant against his House equivalent (Ganoes Paran). Can you imagine Paran being anything remotely like the pathetic Errant?

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Throughout the book - yes. The ending? Hm. Leaving her pregnant and without the father was a) unnecessary and b) too much cliché.

Hmmm maybe. If it is a cliché I definitely forgive Erikson as it isn't like he's been very cliché in the last 7000 pages of this series is it? I think it was a good ending - a bit of hope after such a total downer of a book.

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I liked his volatility but thought that he could have been more.

I think I probably agree with this - I do hope we haven't seen the last of him in the main series (Im sure he will be in the Kharkanas trilogy) as more than anything else he's just ridiculously cool.  :D

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I have the feeling that Erikson only did this to show off a bit how good he is at world building. He doesn't need to - we already know how brilliant he is with that...

Yup. In many ways an odd novel as so much of it was taken up with experimental bits of worldbuilding and ultimately pointless additions to the story - at this late stage it surprised me that he'd bother. Reaper's Gale really was the first book in the series that felt padded to me and could have easily been a few hundred pages shorter.

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I certainly hope so! And I'd like to see her and Ganoes meet again (just before the final battle?)

Last we saw Ganoes he was in Aren with his army. I really hope we will see him again...
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Re: Reaper's Gale: finished
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2014, 09:29:20 PM »
Interesting to view the Errant against his House equivalent (Ganoes Paran). Can you imagine Paran being anything remotely like the pathetic Errant?
Nope, not at all.
I don't compare them, though. They're too different (even having the same "job").
The Errant is an Elder God (did I read somewhere that he is related to Kilimandaros?) and Paran a human ascendant new to his powers.
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I definitely forgive Erikson as it isn't like he's been very cliché in the last 7000 pages of this series is it?
Haha, fair enough.  ;D

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I think it was a good ending - a bit of hope after such a total downer of a book.
True. Do you think we'll see them again? How long until the baby is grown up enough to play a role? Right hand to Grub later on? ;)
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Re: Reaper's Gale: finished
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2014, 01:59:01 AM »
Finished!  ;D

Well book 4 was definitely worth the slog through books 2 and 3 - what an ending!  :D

Seems I'm not as much of a fan of the Letheras settings as everyone else...Midnight Tides was a bit of a struggle for me at times too, if I'm honest. I'm not really a fan of the Edur, I think...they are quite disappointing as a race after already having met the Andii. Even the Andii offspring (Nimander & Co) were more intriguing and we hardly saw much of them. Really looking forward to seeing what Clip has in store for that lot...and whether they will eventually reach Black Coral and meet Rake.

Not clear what exactly happened to Icarium. The energy surging between the relics wiped the memories of everyone that got caught in it...I think Icarium thought it was a way to restore his own memories...so now has he been mind-wiped too? Or, does he now possess the memories the machine stole from everyone else? Will he be the same Icarium that we know, when next we see him?  ???

Karsa...I think the reason that Withal arrived on the Crippled God's shore at the right time probably had something to do with the Nachts...They jumped overboard and headed for the town not long after there was mention of it being 'almost time' by Tavore and Withal - I think the creatures were sent to track down Rhulad and report back when he had been killed...they did return because they accompanied Withal to the shore.

Errant turned out to be a bit of a git. Apparently. He presumably had some kind of reason for causing Trull's death...and we may never know what that was, but still...he'd better hope that Quick Ben doesn't find out he was the cause and decides to come looking for him  :o ;)

Not sorry Featherwitch has gone - she was starting to really get on my nerves.

Shame about Kettle though...I wonder if the Forkrul Assail soul is now the new Azath House housekeeper? Shadowthrone might not find it so easy to wander in and out whenever the mood takes him, if that is the case  ;D

Loving the new and improved super-powered Quick Ben! - his updrade  seems to have speeded up his recovery time, as well as making taking out Soletaken Dragon Gods childs play!  8)

Poor Beak  :'( :'(
But that was such an awesome storyline! Really glad we got to see a happy ending for him  :D :D

So Hood was waiting to personally greet Toc tY, was he? Hmmmmm......I wonder if he is collecting his own little posse of lackeys with a view to self-preservation at the final showdown?....I totally expect to see Toc tY make a miraculous recovery and return at some point. What is Hood up to?  ???

And who was the old guy with 'mason's hands' that had spoken to the Errant and was concerned for Seren?? Haven't more than a few players in this epic turned out to be masons in the past?

The Bonehunters totally stole the show at the end of this one. Hellian is fantastic. Fid, Hedge and Ben were re-united. The army got to acquit themselves admirably in a real battle and Tavore should have a much happier bunch of campers for the next campaign. Quite amusing that the marines now all have pure white (or gold)  hair. Will look like an army of ghosts!  :D


 

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Re: Reaper's Gale: finished
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2014, 09:26:18 AM »
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Seems I'm not as much of a fan of the Letheras settings as everyone else...Midnight Tides was a bit of a struggle for me at times too, if I'm honest. I'm not really a fan of the Edur, I think...they are quite disappointing as a race after already having met the Andii. Even the Andii offspring (Nimander & Co) were more intriguing and we hardly saw much of them. Really looking forward to seeing what Clip has in store for that lot...and whether they will eventually reach Black Coral and meet Rake.

I sorta kinda mostly agree. I enjoyed Midnight Tides waaaaay more than Reaper's Gale. Less so because of the setting and moreso because RG was just so nihilistic and hard-going. I do enjoy the Edur (I think they're pretty much done now in the series for the most part) but rather it's the other Letherii I dislike, plus the Shake and the Awl, who were dull. And I'm glad to see someone else who enjoys Nimander, Clip etc. Despite the fact I don't like Clip (as in, he is horrible - not BORING) the Tiste Andii still hold so much of my interest in this series.

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Not clear what exactly happened to Icarium. The energy surging between the relics wiped the memories of everyone that got caught in it...I think Icarium thought it was a way to restore his own memories...so now has he been mind-wiped too? Or, does he now possess the memories the machine stole from everyone else? Will he be the same Icarium that we know, when next we see him?

I think a lot of this just passed me by as I really didn't understand what the hell was going on (as with so much of this series). Suppose we will find out in Dust of Dreams...?

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Not sorry Featherwitch has gone - she was starting to really get on my nerves.

Total psycho - one of the most reprehensible characters in the series for me. Erikson tried to give us a bit of her backstory towards the end, maybe trying to get a bit of sympathy but she was too far gone for me by that point. Loony.  :P

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So Hood was waiting to personally greet Toc tY, was he? Hmmmmm......I wonder if he is collecting his own little posse of lackeys with a view to self-preservation at the final showdown?....I totally expect to see Toc tY make a miraculous recovery and return at some point. What is Hood up to?

Whoa. I think you've hit on something there. We've heard about this Ascendant war before. Is Hood assembling an army? What about the other Gods?

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And who was the old guy with 'mason's hands' that had spoken to the Errant and was concerned for Seren?? Haven't more than a few players in this epic turned out to be masons in the past?

Pretty sure it was Bugg/Mael...
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Re: Reaper's Gale: finished
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2014, 09:46:15 PM »
Finished!  ;D
Yay! :D

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Well book 4 was definitely worth the slog through books 2 and 3 - what an ending!  :D
Yep! :) Book 4 in Toll the hounds even tops this in some ways.

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Not clear what exactly happened to Icarium. The energy surging between the relics wiped the memories of everyone that got caught in it...I think Icarium thought it was a way to restore his own memories...so now has he been mind-wiped too? Or, does he now possess the memories the machine stole from everyone else? Will he be the same Icarium that we know, when next we see him?  ???
Interesting theory! I don't think he will be the Icarium we know. But hopefully his changes were positive.

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Karsa...I think the reason that Withal arrived on the Crippled God's shore at the right time probably had something to do with the Nachts...They jumped overboard and headed for the town not long after there was mention of it being 'almost time' by Tavore and Withal - I think the creatures were sent to track down Rhulad and report back when he had been killed...they did return because they accompanied Withal to the shore.
Could be. But should have made clearer then.

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Not sorry Featherwitch has gone - she was starting to really get on my nerves.
What did you say in another post? Nobody dies for real? ;) I think she did, though.

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Shame about Kettle though...I wonder if the Forkrul Assail soul is now the new Azath House housekeeper? Shadowthrone might not find it so easy to wander in and out whenever the mood takes him, if that is the case  ;D
:D Nor will anybody else.

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Loving the new and improved super-powered Quick Ben! - his updrade  seems to have speeded up his recovery time, as well as making taking out Soletaken Dragon Gods childs play!  8)
Is it possible to love Quick Ben more? ;)
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Poor Beak  :'( :'(
But that was such an awesome storyline! Really glad we got to see a happy ending for him  :D :D
Yeah...  :'( :D

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So Hood was waiting to personally greet Toc tY, was he? Hmmmmm......I wonder if he is collecting his own little posse of lackeys with a view to self-preservation at the final showdown?....I totally expect to see Toc tY make a miraculous recovery and return at some point. What is Hood up to?  ???
RAFO  ;D

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And who was the old guy with 'mason's hands' that had spoken to the Errant and was concerned for Seren?? Haven't more than a few players in this epic turned out to be masons in the past?
Can't remember this part, but for me: mason's hands = Whiskeyjack. Not likely in this case, though...
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The Bonehunters totally stole the show at the end of this one. Hellian is fantastic. Fid, Hedge and Ben were re-united. The army got to acquit themselves admirably in a real battle and Tavore should have a much happier bunch of campers for the next campaign. Quite amusing that the marines now all have pure white (or gold)  hair. Will look like an army of ghosts!  :D
Ghosts who hunt bones.  :D
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Re: Reaper's Gale: finished
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2020, 05:50:41 PM »
Reaper's Gale has one of my favorite scenes in the entire series.  Also contains one of my most disappointing scenes too so I'm anxious to read what you end up thinking about those events when you get there.

Beak?

Yes Beak was one of my favorite scenes in the series, maybe my favorite overall if I think about it.  His whole sacrifice (and his whole arc) was amazing on his own but then his meeting with Hood really hits you.

Trull was the one I was disappointed with.  Not everyone should get a heroic ending if they are going to die but man that was just a crappy way to go for him.

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Re: Reaper's Gale: finished
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2020, 09:50:06 AM »
And I can finally post here! Note: it was written the day I finished, while the forum was down, hehe

* An Azath house in the sea? Surprising
* Sad, Nimander’s story. Will this be the last we see of them, staying in this land and leading the Shake? – wahey, Clip picked them up to take them to Anomander Rake!
* Hellian’s fight tavern to tavern really happened like that, hehe, she found just the right strategy!
* Wow, Beak and his magic, the purification! So sad he died, but it was the right way for him to go, and having Hood himself welcoming him and leading him to his brother, so emotional… And the Bonehunters all white now!!
* Redmask dies just like that? What was he all about, then? A Letherii??
* Toc the Younger and Tool :( this book seems to have lots of friends reconnecting but soon losing each other, or just missing out in reconnecting
* AAAAAAAHHHHHH all the battle and convergence and the sisters dying and Onrack meeting wife and son, and love, and Trull and Seren, Ben and Hedge, Kettle an Azath, the realm… what a chapter!!!
* Tehol and the puzzle ;D
* Janath killing Tanal, so satisfying, but so much hurt, so much pain… really happy she had a happy ending, marrying Tehol and being Chancellor, hehe
* Poor Feather Witch, so used… she thought she was so smart
* Eeeek, everyone’s dying!!!!
* The machine! All the pieces that had been highlighted here and there throughout 2 whole books now finally having a reason, and it’s Icarium! A city built on it, collapsing, back to the old time
* The Emperor fight! Wahey Karsa! So all it took was separating Ruhlad from the sword (and arm…), allowing him to have a choice to get it back or not? Your previous comments about cutting him up were partially right…  And Karsa is stronger than the Crippled God?
* Fiddler shoving Silchas Ruin away, perfect!!
* Trull, nooooooo :'( but baby Trull!

Now I understand why you were telling me to go read Toll the Hounds soon, so many questions left really open, unlike the previous books which seemed to be more contained. I guess as we’re getting to the end, things will become further and further connected. But there’s still 3 whole books!!!
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Re: Reaper's Gale: finished
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2020, 11:10:21 AM »
Now I understand why you were telling me to go read Toll the Hounds soon, so many questions left really open, unlike the previous books which seemed to be more contained. I guess as we’re getting to the end, things will become further and further connected. But there’s still 3 whole books!!!
Yep. And there's really only two books. Dust of Dreams and the Crippled God should have been one book (and is structured like that) but there are simply too many pages for one book. ;)
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Re: Reaper's Gale: finished
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2020, 12:36:34 PM »
I'm having a break at the moment, but maybe in a couple of weeks I'll order the last 2 books from Waterstone's, give them some business :)
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