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Midnight Tides: book 2
« on: March 30, 2014, 10:23:49 PM »
Woah, book two is hard.

The new Emperor is really a frightening creature. Which role does he play in the House of Chains if Karsa is the mortal sword?
Poor Mayen, poor Fear and Trull, poor Tiste Edur. Eriksson did a good job showing us how immature and cruel Rughad is. Making him the new Emperor from the Crippled God's grace... phew.

The flight from the ice fields and Trull's fights were very cool. Seems as if he possesses some extraordinary skills.

Udinaas is a really interesting character too. As is Seren. I'm curious what's about to happen next in their story lines.

The thing Shurq has now between her legs... ugh. Let's talk about something else.
She and Ululad seem to be a great team, though. Gerun will be livid when he comes home.

The scene with Brys and the Dolmen was great too. He now holds the names of all the fallen gods and his blood keeps their guardian alive. I wonder what that makes him and how that will influence how ascendants or all the other old and mighty creatures that are bound to appear sooner or later see him.

Tehol and Bugg are entertaining as ever. I'm wondering if we will see Tehol decently clothed someday.
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Re: Midnight Tides: book 2
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2014, 06:12:33 PM »

The thing Shurq has now between her legs... ugh. Let's talk about something else.
She and Ululad seem to be a great team, though. Gerun will be livid when he comes home.

Tehol and Bugg are entertaining as ever. I'm wondering if we will see Tehol decently clothed someday.

Shurq,Ululad with Gerun Scene so funny  ;D and Tehol and Bugg just make me laugh every-time I come to them
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Re: Midnight Tides: book 2
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2014, 06:16:01 PM »
The flight from the ice fields and Trull's fights were very cool. Seems as if he possesses some extraordinary skills.

I was wondering about that has he always been able to fight like that or did someone take over his body

The scene with Brys and the Dolmen was great too. He now holds the names of all the fallen gods and his blood keeps their guardian alive. I wonder what that makes him and how that will influence how ascendants or all the other old and mighty creatures that are bound to appear sooner or later see him.

I think Brys is another great character to read about  I love his relationship with Kuru Qan and the intrigue at the court
« Last Edit: March 31, 2014, 06:19:51 PM by Eclipse »
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Re: Midnight Tides: book 2
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2014, 11:42:44 PM »
Just wrote a long post and my shitty computer crashed, ugh.

Anyway, this part was f---ing amazing.

Well, the Tiste Edur parts were.

The problem I have with the parts in Letheras is that, entertaining as they are, the're just not popping for me. They read like comic relief for the most part, and I kinda resent being taken away from the storyline in the north to read 40 pages about Tehol Beddict's schemes and a kinda dumb Thelomen-like dude who is really well-endowed. I know Erikson will bring it all together as usual, but in my opinion the Northern storyline is one of the series absolute BEST, and although some light-relief is needed in a series like this, I think so far there is a bit much. As for the Tiste Edur thread, I haven't been this captivated by a plotline since the Bridgeburners arrived at Capustan...

The way Erikson has written Rhulad's physical transformation is absolutely incredible. His role as tyrannical emperor was quite obvious since Part 1, as there was no way Fear or Binadas would become the brother that put Trull through the Shorning in the prologue of House of Chains.

<side note: I'm guessing Rhulad is the one on the cover of Reaper's Gale, what with the coins embedded in the figure's skin...>

Udinaas is a brilliant character with an interesting POV on his own enslavement. But really it's his flashes to the deep past that totally steal the show. Man alive, the Tiste Edur's 'creation myths' and religion is just a completely bastardised and barely recognisable version of what actually happened, huh? It all started with the lie that Silchas Ruin betrayed Bloodeye, and it's just escalated from there into this barely remembered fragment of myth.

Also we got the revelation that Sheltatha Lore is mother to Draconus' children...Envy and Spite! (I bet Jeni enjoyed this one!  :D ) I hope we meet Spite at some point.

Really looking forward to reading on and finding out just what Hull Beddict has planned, and what Trull did/will do to earn the full wrath of his youngest brother...
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Re: Midnight Tides: book 2
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2014, 11:49:23 PM »
Also, Feather Witch's tile readings...who else was desperately trying to keep up with them and figure out in what ways they line up with what we know of the Deck of Dragons?  :o
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Re: Midnight Tides: book 2
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2014, 01:28:11 AM »
Still finding this a bit slow...but I think that's more down to my (lack of) reading time this week.

Also...I think, for me, the massive contrast in tone, pace, humour, characters between the Tiste Edur parts of the story and the Letheras part is making this feel like there are just 2 threads to this book - even though there are at least three in the Tiste section and two in Letheras, so thats not actually true....but it feels that way and I'm kind of missing third and fourth threads that are completely different as that is what I've got used to from the other books so far :o  :P

Also, Feather Witch's tile readings...who else was desperately trying to keep up with them and figure out in what ways they line up with what we know of the Deck of Dragons?  :o

I haven't had the brain power this week to try and do that! I'm kinda just going with it and hoping I'll not miss anything too key... I've been paying more attention to Udinaas' dreams - way more interesting! :D

Also we got the revelation that Sheltatha Lore is mother to Draconus' children...Envy and Spite! (I bet Jeni enjoyed this one!  :D ) I hope we meet Spite at some point.

I did!  ;D ... and me too! Although it's entirely possible that we have met her already and just don't know it yet...   :o ;D

The problem I have with the parts in Letheras is that, entertaining as they are, the're just not popping for me. They read like comic relief for the most part, and I kinda resent being taken away from the storyline in the north to read 40 pages about Tehol Beddict's schemes and a kinda dumb Thelomen-like dude who is really well-endowed.

yeah...kind of reading like the screenplay to a Carry-On film, so far  ::)

The new Emperor is really a frightening creature. Which role does he play in the House of Chains if Karsa is the mortal sword?

Ok. So. At the back of HoC it lists the High House of Chains as -
The King in Chains - The Crippled God, presumably
The Consort (Poliel?) - She was the one that inflicted the Tenescowri with a plague in MoI
The Reaver (Kallor?) - Could have sworn he was offered the throne and position of King, but maybe not.
The Knight (Toblakai) - Karsa, presumably
The Seven of the Dead Fires (The Unbound) - Karsa's 'Gods' ?
The Cripple - The trader that sold Picker the Trake enhanced armbands she handed over to Gruntle?
The Leper - Silgar, the slavemaster that lost his hands and feet and ended up in the Pan'Arak Oasis, with no memory ?
The Fool - ??

I'm thinking...if this is all taking place even just before Trull gets chained, which happens the same year as Karsa embarks on his quest, then there is no reason that Rhulad can't be Knight in this book as it'll be at least 6 or 7 years before Karsa acquires the title. Doesn't bode well for Rhulad's long-term prospects, however...  ;)

The way Erikson has written Rhulad's physical transformation is absolutely incredible. His role as tyrannical emperor was quite obvious since Part 1, as there was no way Fear or Binadas would become the brother that put Trull through the Shorning in the prologue of House of Chains.

As I was reading, I was screaming at Udinaas in my head - Don't put the coins on his eyes!! He's not dead!! . Awesome  ;D
Yep, gotta be Rhulad that called for Trull's exile and had him shorn and chained.

Really looking forward to reading on and finding out ... what Trull did/will do to earn the full wrath of his youngest brother...

Maybe didn't put enough sugar in his tea? Ate the last biscuit?  :P

Probably won't take much more than that...but the prologue to HoC does mention that he referred to an enemy as Pure Kin, which seemed to have been the spark that ignited the flame that led to his being outcast.

The scene with Brys and the Dolmen was great too. He now holds the names of all the fallen gods and his blood keeps their guardian alive. I wonder what that makes him and how that will influence how ascendants or all the other old and mighty creatures that are bound to appear sooner or later see him.

I think Brys is another great character to read about  I love his relationship with Kuru Qan and the intrigue at the court

I'm enjoying the Brys storyline much more than the Tehol one at the moment.

Really looking forward to reading on and finding out just what Hull Beddict has planned,

Same  :)


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Re: Midnight Tides: book 2
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2019, 09:51:59 AM »
Oh, this book changed my view of this volume! Before chapter 9 I thought it was ok, but then I was all "wow!!!"

When Feather Witch was casting the tiles, and going through all the Holds, I just felt so frustrated! When she said that the Hold of the Beast had 2 rulers now, which meant when the 2 gods regained the Decks in the other book... I felt/feel as if I'm always on the edge of my memory, knowing that all these mentions relate to stuff I should know, but I simply can't remember the names, the details! Argh!

When the scene moved to the Crippled God and Withal I suddenly guessed that the warrior was Ruhlad and he wasn't really dead! Something I wasn't surprised, that's a first, hehe
And his transformation... from a spoiled annoying teenage boy to someone truly evil! The CG chose well...

And I loved the CG's speech on war/peace, as I said in the other thread (thanks for posting it, @Idlewilder)

I've been thinking about the elder Sengal brother being called Fear: does that emotion not exist in their culture? It seems strange to name your eldest son that - I keep mis-reading it for the emotion...

Ublala and the 3 women, and Shuq, that's just SO funny ;D

Edit: oh I missed that, the prologue from HoC (see? frustrating!!!) I need to go home and read it again, argh!
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