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Midnight Tides: book 1
« on: March 27, 2014, 03:50:23 PM »
I have to say, I was a bit upset that MT was a book not featuring any character (besides Trull Segar and Gothos) we already new. I wanted to read more of Fiddler, Kalam, Quick Ben, Cutter, Karsa, etc... not starting something completely new.

Well, it's a really good book and having these story lines mixed into the already existing promises even better next books. :)

The prologue with the huge betrayal of the Tiste Andii (turned in history by the Edur) with Bloodeye and Anomander Rake's other brother Silchas Ruin. Very interesting.
And which kind of sword has this smith to make for the Chained One?

Most interesting so far are the three Beddict brothers. Tehol is incredibly entertaining - I get Folding Knife-vibes from him. ;)

Lots of interesting people in Letheras:
Gerun Eberict, holder of the King's Leave
Kettle, an undead child living in a dying house of Azath (where 5 Toblakai fighters are trying to get free)
Kuru Qan, a powerful and seemingly friendly mage
Tehol's three employees and their timid bodyguard Ublala (Tharthenal's are descended from the Telomen Toblakai?)

The Edur - again three brothers in the midst of things.
We already know that the Warlock King is getting used by the Crippled God, so the gift they have to get from the Ice Fields is probably some artifact from him.

First I thought Feather witch was more interesting than Udinaas, but now with a shadow wraith (who apparently are the betrayed and slain Tiste Andii) in his shadow and Wyval blood in his veins...

Do we know who this Elder Goddess Kilmandaros is? Have we heard about her before?

So Tiles/Deck of Dragons Houses/Holds. Seems as if the Letherii are a bit behind on things (weren't the Holds before the Houses?) is it possible to assign the holds to the houses? And the unaligned in the tiles to the unaligned in the Deck?
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Re: Midnight Tides: book 1
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2014, 04:49:00 PM »
 This is one of the best books in the series IMO. I put it in the top three, with Memories of Ice, and The Crippled God

 Enjoy!

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Re: Midnight Tides: book 1
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2014, 04:34:11 PM »
nice bit of back stabbing in the prologue  ;)

I seem to struggle at the start like House of Chains but then I meet characters like Torvald Nom and Tehol and the next thing I know the story becomes a page turner  :)

I love Bugg and Tehol relationship  the bit with the woolly trousers haha

Liked reading  about Kettle and Shurq Elall past

What's Tehol plan with  Ublala (4 lungs)

Who do you think  the Azath house has  reluctantly woken up   

There so many interesting people in Letherii I want to read about
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Re: Midnight Tides: book 1
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2014, 04:38:43 PM »
So Tiles/Deck of Dragons Houses/Holds. Seems as if the Letherii are a bit behind on things (weren't the Holds before the Houses?) is it possible to assign the holds to the houses? And the unaligned in the tiles to the unaligned in the Deck?

I'm getting a bit confused on the timeline, is the story set in the same time as the last novels or are we still in the past?
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Re: Midnight Tides: book 1
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2014, 04:53:22 PM »
So Tiles/Deck of Dragons Houses/Holds. Seems as if the Letherii are a bit behind on things (weren't the Holds before the Houses?) is it possible to assign the holds to the houses? And the unaligned in the tiles to the unaligned in the Deck?

I'm getting a bit confused on the timeline, is the story set in the same time as the last novels or are we still in the past?
We are in the past, but I don't think much (1-10 years). Trull Sengar is not much younger than in House of Chains.

So Errant = Oponn, Dolmen = Obelisk. Empty Hold = House of Chains?
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Re: Midnight Tides: book 1
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2014, 01:18:23 AM »
This is slow going for me so far...not sure if its because I haven't had as much time to read as usual over the past few days or if it's taking me a while to settle in to a whole new storyline. Probably both  :-\

I'm getting a bit confused on the timeline, is the story set in the same time as the last novels or are we still in the past?
We are in the past, but I don't think much (1-10 years). Trull Sengar is not much younger than in House of Chains.

How do we know he isn't much younger? The Tiste races have a very long lifespan.....

Trull was chained, shorn and outcast the same year that Karsa left his village and Wither was 'asked' to make the sword...which was 2 years before Apsalar was acquired by the Emperor and Dancer and 4 years before the battle at Pale between Moon Spawn and the cadre mages...so, about 5/6/7 years before the final showdown in House of Chains? I guess this book will chronicle events leading up to Trull's 'betrayal' , but whether we have actually reached that point by the end remains to be seen. I may have missed something, but I don't think we really know how far back these events happened.
What I don't get is....if this was as recently as 10 or so years ago, then why does the rest of the world think the Tiste Edur have gone/died out and that the only Tiste race remaining is the tiste Andii? There seems to be quite a sizeable population, and they aren't exactly hiding - doesn't make sense to me, unless this was a long long time ago and we are about to witness their demise?

The Kaschan trench which is all that is left of the 'dead' Kaschan warren that the brothers journey to is the K'Chain boneyard, right?

Most interesting so far are the three Beddict brothers. Tehol is incredibly entertaining - I get Folding Knife-vibes from him. ;)

Lots of interesting people in Letheras:
Gerun Eberict, holder of the King's Leave
Kettle, an undead child living in a dying house of Azath (where 5 Toblakai fighters are trying to get free)
Kuru Qan, a powerful and seemingly friendly mage
Tehol's three employees and their timid bodyguard Ublala (Tharthenal's are descended from the Telomen Toblakai?)

The Tehol storyline is amusing...him and Bugg make quite a double act.  :D
And yep, there are some very promising characters so far... I am interested in seeing how much of a stir Hull will create at the gathering...Tehol seems to think that Seren will stop him from getting himself killed, but she's not so sure, so I'm looking forward to seeing what happens there.





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Re: Midnight Tides: book 1
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2014, 10:26:22 AM »
How do we know he isn't much younger? The Tiste races have a very long lifespan.....
I can't answer this anymore without spoilering, sorry. ;)

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What I don't get is....if this was as recently as 10 or so years ago, then why does the rest of the world think the Tiste Edur have gone/died out and that the only Tiste race remaining is the tiste Andii? There seems to be quite a sizeable population, and they aren't exactly hiding - doesn't make sense to me, unless this was a long long time ago and we are about to witness their demise?
I think the continent of Lether is away from all the normal traiding routes and the interactions between the other continents. Kind of in hiatus, only now waking back up.

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The Kaschan trench which is all that is left of the 'dead' Kaschan warren that the brothers journey to is the K'Chain boneyard, right?
Yep, think so too.

Oh, and Lether's empty throne... We know of one other empty throne... Shadows.
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Re: Midnight Tides: book 1
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2014, 12:21:23 AM »
Very much enjoying this so far, as usual.

I think if anything I'm opposite to most in that I actually prefer the Hiroth storyline to that of Letheras right now. Tehol's storyline hasn't really come alive yet and I feel a little alienated from his character. He seems a strange one to have as the POV, to be honest.

Brys seems quite cool, but Hull is definitely the most interesting of the 3 Beddicts so far.

I've made no secret of the fact that anything involving the Tiste races and the Deck (Tiles) is my favourite aspect of the series, so it's no surprise that the Sengar storyline in my favourite at this point.

The prologue was easily my favourite prologue yet. Am I right in thinking that Scabandari Bloodeye is The Crippled God? That's what I got out of what Fear told Trull and Rhulad...

Silchas Ruin, an albino Tiste Andii! I'm dying to find out more about him. Also - such a cool name!  :D

I'm assuming this takes place before Gardens of the Moon's prologue right now, as I reckon the return of the "empire" and the "emperor" of the empty hold they are talking about is actually going to be Kellanved becoming  Shadowthrone.

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The Kaschan trench which is all that is left of the 'dead' Kaschan warren that the brothers journey to is the K'Chain boneyard, right?

Yup.  :) Another example of names changing over time.

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I think the continent of Lether is away from all the normal traiding routes and the interactions between the other continents. Kind of in hiatus, only now waking back up.

Likewise, this world is HUGE and unlike the other Tiste races, the Edur haven't exactly got much control over their warren (what with it being in bits) so although they are well known on Lether, they're not particularly well-travelled, and if the Malazan empire hasn't arrived here (yet) then we can assume it is really far away.

I like that one of Erikson's major themes in this book is something he has also played with in the series as a whole - that of the family dynamic. We have the Sengars and Beddicts in this one, along with the daughters of Father Shadow (Dawn, Dusk and Dapple). And of course outwith this, there is the Andarist, Rake and Ruin. The Tiste Liosan brothers. The 3 Paran siblings. Very cool.

Also another point I noted in Chapter One, when Feather Witch has her Tile prophecy, she says...<checks book> "upon the Throne of Ice sits Death..." - makes me wonder...could Hood be a Jaghut?
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AW: Midnight Tides: book 1
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2014, 06:39:29 AM »
I don't think Scabandari can be the crippled god because we know that this god came from another world while the tiste edur are living on our main world. The battle took place on the main world too.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2014, 08:46:32 AM »
I don't think Scabandari can be the crippled god because we know that this god came from another world while the tiste edur are living on our main world. The battle took place on the main world too.

But aren't the Tiste are supposed to be alien to this world too?

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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2014, 10:03:15 AM »
I don't think so. Well, alien in the meaning that they are from the Warren of shadow (kurald emuhrlan), but that is still part of this world/universe (Krull's blood/body), while the fallen god is from somewhere entirely else.
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2014, 10:27:07 AM »
I could be wrong or maybe it is a deliberate misdirection from Erikson, but his story just sounds awfully similar to The Crippled God:


'It is,' Fear said. 'They killed our god.'

'Who?' Trull demanded.

'All of them. Elder gods. And Eleint. The Elder gods loosed the blood in their veins... They then made for Bloodeye's spirit a prison of eternal pain, of agony beyond measure, to last until the Abyss itself is devoured.'


Sounds very similar to The Crippled God...

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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2014, 10:28:24 AM »
I don't think so. Well, alien in the meaning that they are from the Warren of shadow (kurald emuhrlan), but that is still part of this world/universe (Krull's blood/body), while the fallen god is from somewhere entirely else.

I don't think the Elder warrens are a part of K'rul...

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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2014, 11:18:45 AM »
I don't think so. Well, alien in the meaning that they are from the Warren of shadow (kurald emuhrlan), but that is still part of this world/universe (Krull's blood/body), while the fallen god is from somewhere entirely else.

I don't think the Elder warrens are a part of K'rul...
yeah, that's probably true.
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2014, 11:22:34 AM »
I could be wrong or maybe it is a deliberate misdirection from Erikson, but his story just sounds awfully similar to The Crippled God:


'It is,' Fear said. 'They killed our god.'

'Who?' Trull demanded.

'All of them. Elder gods. And Eleint. The Elder gods loosed the blood in their veins... They then made for Bloodeye's spirit a prison of eternal pain, of agony beyond measure, to last until the Abyss itself is devoured.'


Sounds very similar to The Crippled God...
It does, but Father Shadow the crippled god? I think we would've heard of this before...

And his magic isn't Kurald Emuhrlan, I think. Dunno if a twisted shard of it wouldn't be recognizable as Shadow, though.
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