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House of Chains: Book 2
« on: March 16, 2014, 04:30:15 PM »
This was a short book, didn't feel as if much happened but some nice relevations are on it's way. :)

Kalam said about Cottilion that he was at the first chaining, which got me a bit confused about time.
We learned that the Emperor's "family" was in the deadhouse gate (including Whiskeyjack, Surely, Toc Elder and the others) and gained longevity. Does this mean that the malazan empire (and its founders) is a few hundred/thousand years old? How else could Cottilion who was Dancer havve been on the first chaining - which occured ages ago? Or am I confusing something here?

Really love the Fid- sorry, Strings episodes. He's an incredible character and being nearly incognito in Tavore's army is just hilarious. Seems as if he got a Tanno song about the bridgeburners even when he didn't want it back then. And if he'll reach Raraku, he'll unknowingly make it complete. :)

Man, those arrogant Tiste Liosan... They will get the shock of their lives if they come to the real world and see what's going on. If they survive that long...

Hounds of Darkness? Wow! Are there hounds of light too?

And Quick Ben and Lostara Yil have a history together. Interesting. She obviously don't know that he's Quick Ben now and a good friend of Kalam.

I'm wondering what Sha'ik will do now, that she knows that Paran's still alive. Will she still war against the Empire? Will Paran be with Dujek when he goes to seven cities? Will the three siblings meet at the heads of three armies?

And what's going on with the Jade statues and the Otataral dust?

I'm curious to see what the two Teblor ghosts who are following Karsa now are able to do.

And what/who L'oric really is.
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Re: House of Chains: Book 2
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2014, 05:25:56 PM »
Strings is awesome along with Truth, Stormy and Gesler I love those guys

The shadow dance back story with  Quick Ben and Lostara Yil  brilliant (Why did he become an ex priest?)

erm I like reading about Karsa now
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Re: House of Chains: Book 2
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2014, 05:17:16 PM »
Finished Book 2

Just want to say I really enjoyed Bottle's scenes  he uses magic not only of warren but  magic of something else

Spying on Topper and Adjunct Tavore and leaking the news straight away haha and saying to the other two mages didn't you hear the portal opening up deadpan

I think bottle may become another favourite character for me
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Re: House of Chains: Book 2
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2014, 09:23:44 AM »
It's taken me what seems like forever to get this part done, though that's not because it was boring (far from it) but rather because I had a busy week, and it seems like everyone else has seriously picked up the pace with this series!  :o

Anyway, this part was a lot of set-up, introducing us to characters, and basically doing what the first part has done in the first 3 books. (The Karsa anomaly threw that out this time!)

I love Strings<cough>Fiddler<cough> and the moment at the end of this part where he found out what happened to the Bridgeburners was hard to read. Erikson wrote Fiddler's grief so well.

Tiste Liosan! They exist! They're here! They're...kinda dickish! Hehe. Not surprising that they are pretty much the exact opposite of the Tiste Andii, both physically and in personality. Where the Andii are mostly reserved and composed, the Liosan are brash and outwardly vengeful.

I like Trull and Onrack - they are very much doing the job of Icarium and Mappo in this, filling a similar "odd couple" role as Deadhouse Gates. Erikson does these really well.

Kalam and Cutter/Crokus are back and their storylines have me as gripped as ever. I have to watch here as I've read a bit further and am not sure where their storylines end in this part. Suffice to say, they are EPIC.

Kalam said about Cottilion that he was at the first chaining, which got me a bit confused about time.
We learned that the Emperor's "family" was in the deadhouse gate (including Whiskeyjack, Surely, Toc Elder and the others) and gained longevity. Does this mean that the malazan empire (and its founders) is a few hundred/thousand years old? How else could Cottilion who was Dancer havve been on the first chaining - which occured ages ago? Or am I confusing something here?

I was also very confused by this. Does it confirm suspicions that time is very different for Ascendants and Gods? Maybe things are especially different for Shadow? Maybe it helps explain why Ammanas/Kellanved has apparently gone a bit crazy? But the Malazan empire definitely isn't that old. That was kinda the point of Karsa's part at the beginning, showing how this enormous empire can rise and expand in just 80 years - such a short time in the life of a Teblor.

One other thing I've noticed - something more thematic - is the use of names. Even more than usual, people are changing their names in this book, so:

Fiddler--->Strings
Karsa Orlong--->Thelomen Toblakai
Heboric Light Touch--->Heboric Ghost Hands
Crokus--->Cutter
Felisin--->Sha'i'k Reborn
Karsa's slaver has lost his name
Keeper's name is a mystery

And there's more I've noticed in Part 3...

Also, LOTS of mentions of chains...  ;)
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Re: House of Chains: Book 2
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2014, 05:54:32 PM »
Enjoyed this section much more than the first....

Kalam said about Cottilion that he was at the first chaining, which got me a bit confused about time.
We learned that the Emperor's "family" was in the deadhouse gate (including Whiskeyjack, Surely, Toc Elder and the others) and gained longevity. Does this mean that the malazan empire (and its founders) is a few hundred/thousand years old? How else could Cottilion who was Dancer havve been on the first chaining - which occured ages ago? Or am I confusing something here?

Really love the Fid- sorry, Strings episodes. He's an incredible character and being nearly incognito in Tavore's army is just hilarious. Seems as if he got a Tanno song about the bridgeburners even when he didn't want it back then. And if he'll reach Raraku, he'll unknowingly make it complete. :)

I am wondering if the Azath houses are a bit like an immobile TARDIS? They can go anywhen as well as anywhere? You just need to know how to open the right doors...

Loved the cheek of them using the Deadhouse as a base of operations. Awesome. Also makes you wonder how taking up residence in 'his' house will affect Paran.

I read it as - Whiskeyjack and the Bridgeburners began their path to ascendancy on that first trip accross the Raraku desert (I don't think Wj was mentioned as one of Kellanved's original crew that used the Deadhouse) and that Fiddler completing the 'circle' by returning there will be how the Bridgeburners complete their ascention??

Tiste Liosan! They exist! They're here! They're...kinda dickish! Hehe. Not surprising that they are pretty much the exact opposite of the Tiste Andii, both physically and in personality. Where the Andii are mostly reserved and composed, the Liosan are brash and outwardly vengeful.
Man, those arrogant Tiste Liosan... They will get the shock of their lives if they come to the real world and see what's going on. If they survive that long...

I'm curious to see ...
 what/who L'oric really is.

Well, they certainly made an impression  ;D
And ... purely because of the similarity of the names and the fact that the Tiste Liosan's god - Osric - is apparently 'lost', I'm wondering....  :)

T'amber.
She is a bit of a conundrum ... she gets mentioned a fair bit, and no-one seems to know who she is....which probably means she is not just Tavore's what? - everyone assumes they are lovers - presumably because the only thing we do know about her is that she was a concubine in the Temple of the Queen of Dreams in Unta. Maybe they are, but could she also be Tavore's link to the Talon? some kind of Seer? Mage? Someone Laseen has assigned to her to make sure she stays focused / loyal? Tavore is an Adjunct. And from what we have heard and are beginning to see, she was probably a good choice, so I have difficulty believing that she would keep someone so close if there wasn't another reason.
Is she someone we have come accross before? Is T'amber her real name?

One other thing I've noticed - something more thematic - is the use of names. Even more than usual, people are changing their names in this book, so:

Fiddler--->Strings
Karsa Orlong--->Thelomen Toblakai
Heboric Light Touch--->Heboric Ghost Hands
Crokus--->Cutter
Felisin--->Sha'i'k Reborn
Karsa's slaver has lost his name
Keeper's name is a mystery

And there's more I've noticed in Part 3...

One of the things that makes this so wonderfully complicated. ;D

Still wondering what Apsalar's real name is...and whether the Seer in her head will put in an appearance at some point...
...and is she the 'sort of' daughter that Cotillion mentioned in DG? or is that some one else??






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Re: House of Chains: Book 2
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2014, 06:09:20 PM »
T'amber.
She is a bit of a conundrum ... she gets mentioned a fair bit, and no-one seems to know who she is....which probably means she is not just Tavore's what? - everyone assumes they are lovers - presumably because the only thing we do know about her is that she was a concubine in the Temple of the Queen of Dreams in Unta. Maybe they are, but could she also be Tavore's link to the Talon? some kind of Seer? Mage? Someone Laseen has assigned to her to make sure she stays focused / loyal? Tavore is an Adjunct. And from what we have heard and are beginning to see, she was probably a good choice, so I have difficulty believing that she would keep someone so close if there wasn't another reason.
Is she someone we have come accross before? Is T'amber her real name?
For a moment I thought she might be Laseen herself. But I don't think so anymore. It's still a mystery...

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...and is she the 'sort of' daughter that Cotillion mentioned in DG?
I think so, yes.
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Re: House of Chains: Book 2
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2019, 10:16:49 AM »
My thoughts without reading the previous posts

After a more or less contained book 1, we're back in the current time, spread through several locations.
I admit that I'm still confused about some of them, mainly the island where Omrack and a Tiste Edur are and another island (is it the same?) where Cutter/Crokus ended up - and I don't believe Apsalar drowned.

I love Fiddler re-inventing himself, but now it seems more and more people are recognising him.

Hmm so Bottles doesn't use the warrens for magic? Do the others know about this option?

I really liked the way they turned around the child+bone bad omen, hehe, but poor Tavore, having to retrace the steps of the Chain of Dogs... nobody can live up to that expectation...

Duiker has to be alive, right? I thought so at the end of DG, and I still haven't been convinced otherwise. And Coltraine is being reborn, right? As was hinted in the very last pages of DG.

One comment about reading order: I know the books are alternating times and places, and some people say that we should read GotM and MoI together, as they focus on the same people, and then DG and HoC, but I'm discovering lots of little bits and pieces from the other locations/events/books, so I'm still convinced that following publication order is the best way to go.

Edit: after reading your posts I realise there might be much more I'm confused about and I'm not picking up :'(
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Re: House of Chains: Book 2
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2019, 08:13:15 PM »
Edit: after reading your posts I realise there might be much more I'm confused about and I'm not picking up :'(
And if you read some stuff about Malazan on the internet you think we aren't picking up either...

I think this series is one of the few where a reread is not only justified but may be necessary. Not that I'll find the time anytime soon or want to put myself through the Chain of Dogs again...
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