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House of Chains: Book 1
« on: March 14, 2014, 05:13:16 PM »
Woah, so many cross-references to Deadhouse Gates, interwoven timelines and places - I think I have to read DG again. ;)

Looks as if we'll see Sha'ik from Karsa's perspective later in the book - really looking forward to it (and to Karsa-Heboric word battles). I'm especially curious because he killed the Tiste Edur on the Silanda because they wanted to make him kneel but he kneeled voluntarily (and before Leoman) before Felisin.

It's interesting how I didn't like Karsa at all in the beginning and how that has changed (kind of like opposite to Felisin in DG). Karsa himself has changed a lot and Erikson's writing is really good to evoke this change in the reader's feelings too.

Torvald Nom (Ralik's cousin) is a great character and I really hope to see more of him.

Do you think the Teblor's seven "gods" are renegade T'Lan Imass? Because the T'Lan Imass on the Silanda were persecuting kin.

And who is the Keeper? If he "drowned" before Aren he could be one of Kellanved's old Admirals. Kinda funny that he's now reconstructing a T-Rex.

Did we learn anything about the Teblor/Thelomen Toblakai in earlier books? Because I can't remember. They're not one of the four founding races but are apparently older than the Trell or the Barghast (who's ancestors were the T'Lan Imass).

So blood oil = resin+otataral dust?

Fast-healing, magic-resistent, good fighter, 7-8 feet tall. Karsa just made his list to the top of people I don't want to cross. And he's not older than 17... Canyou imagine what kind of badass he'll be in a few years? May take Icarium (or this Forkrul Assail woman) to bring him down.
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Re: House of Chains: Book 1
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2014, 07:03:15 PM »
I struggled at the beginning with Karsa and the raids/rapes but then it became a page turner when  Bairoth Gild died and we met Torvald Nom I'm glad he didn't die I would have missed him

Karsa seem to get more humane as he travelled with Torvald

I thought Torvald might have been a Talon with his intelligence about things

The Keeper knocking out Karsa haha  theres always someone tougher then you eventually and his little hobby of building a ancient skeleton (dinosaur?)

The Malazan ships all destroyed by lightning who did that the seven Gods?

The Silanda woohoo what can i say any scene with this is awesome

The fight with the shark  ;) you not having Borrug even if his dead already

What's calm going to do now she's free ?

One of my favourite scenes from book 1 is when the Malazan solders who are  under house arrest capture Karsa

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Re: House of Chains: Book 1
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2014, 10:35:15 PM »
Did we learn anything about the Teblor/Thelomen Toblakai in earlier books? Because I can't remember. They're not one of the four founding races but are apparently older than the Trell or the Barghast (who's ancestors were the T'Lan Imass).

I got the feeling there were descendants of Jaghut because of the cave and the name of the tribes were similar

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Re: House of Chains: Book 1
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2014, 05:20:05 PM »
Did we learn anything about the Teblor/Thelomen Toblakai in earlier books? Because I can't remember. They're not one of the four founding races but are apparently older than the Trell or the Barghast (who's ancestors were the T'Lan Imass).

I got the feeling there were descendants of Jaghut because of the cave and the name of the tribes were similar

The laws of Isolation

I feel like you must have, because you guys talked about the ancestry of the barghast in one of the memories of ice threads. The malazan wiki states this is a MoI spoiler, but I'll put it in a spoiler tag anyway.

Spoiler for Hiden:
Barghast are the result of Toblakai and Imass interbreeding.

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Re: House of Chains: Book 1
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2014, 09:48:28 PM »
Re: the Thelomen heritage question - I assume it is something to do with both the T'lan Imass and the Jaghut. The seven Gods (as well as the T'lan chasing them in Deadhouse Gates) refer to each other as Kin, so there is definitely a relation there. The Jaghut are involved somehow - 1. The warren that Karsa refers to as being the one his village elders visit sounds like Omtose Phellack - all icy. 2. The T'lan Imass are hellbent on anything Jaghut - I doubt they would chase their kin for any reason other than something involving the Jhags.

Anyway, absolutely LOVED this part. I literally sat and read it all this afternoon in one blitz of pages.

Karsa's change over the course of this part was amazing to read and I can't wait to get back to him. I smell Ascendancy or something even bigger in his future. Erikson clearly has big plans for him...

Torvald Nom is one of my new favourites - really hope we see him again (though it seems to be the curse of the Noms that they fade away into the background!)

The Fork'rul Assail scene was very cool/creepy. We got the K'Chain Che'Malle in Memories of Ice, now another Elder Race has returned...

Yet again the Silanda steals the show - amazing when you get moments like this in this series; Erikson really rewards the reader for paying attention.

No mention of the prologue yet. Very curious and surprisingly short - I'm pretty sure the flooding of the place/warren(?) Trull etc. are in is the same or at least linked to that of the Silanda.
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Re: House of Chains: Book 1
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2014, 10:26:30 AM »
And he's not older than 17...

Well...he is 80...in human years.  ;)
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Re: House of Chains: Book 1
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2014, 10:35:35 AM »
And he's not older than 17...

Well...he is 80...in human years.  ;)
That's a part I missed.
But I remember being confused when they talked about a boy being only 40 years old. ;)
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Re: House of Chains: Book 1
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2014, 06:33:02 PM »
Well this one started off somewhere new  :D

The prologue was fascinating, as usual...
No mention of the prologue yet. Very curious and surprisingly short - I'm pretty sure the flooding of the place/warren(?) Trull etc. are in is the same or at least linked to that of the Silanda.

I think so too, which would make Trull a Tiste Edur?
(The flooded warren where the Silanda is, is Kurald Emurlahn which is the warren of shadow / the shattered warren / the Tiste Edur warren)

Did we learn anything about the Teblor/Thelomen Toblakai in earlier books? Because I can't remember. They're not one of the four founding races but are apparently older than the Trell or the Barghast (who's ancestors were the T'Lan Imass).

I got the feeling there were descendants of Jaghut because of the cave and the name of the tribes were similar

The laws of Isolation

I feel like you must have, because you guys talked about the ancestry of the barghast in one of the memories of ice threads. The malazan wiki states this is a MoI spoiler, but I'll put it in a spoiler tag anyway.

Spoiler for Hiden:
Barghast are the result of Toblakai and Imass interbreeding.

Bellurdan was described as a 'Thelomen giant', and he said he was of Jaghut descent.
Leoman tells Karsa that his kind were around before the T'lan Imass became immortal and says :
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From your blood came the Barghast and the Trell.

Which begs the question...Toblakai are Jaghut and....what?? Human? (Ouch! :o ) Imass? something we haven't come accross yet?

And who is the Keeper? If he "drowned" before Aren he could be one of Kellanved's old Admirals.

There has been mention of a few people mysteriously disappearing around the time that Laseen took charge...from what I gather, a number of Kellanved's Fists / High Fists met with apparently unfortunate endings but no bodies were ever found (Whiskeyjack was planning to do the same thing)...this includes Dassem Ultor. I totally expect Dassem to put in an appearance at some point, but I'm not sure this is him... Whiskeyjack in MoI and Bult(?) in DG both mention people that 'drowned' - Cartheron Crust (High Fist) and his brother Urko (not sure what his rank was). Cartheron we have already come accross - he was the captain of the Ragstopper in DG, so the keeper could be his brother, I suppose...or maybe someone else entirely! :P ;D
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Re: House of Chains: Book 1
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2014, 06:51:56 PM »
Which begs the question...Toblakai are Jaghut and....what?? Human? (Ouch! :o ) Imass? something we haven't come accross yet?

I think it's implying that while Toblakai aren't one of the founding races*, they were a different race completely and that the barghast and Trell are an offshoot from them... Barghast = Imass + Toblakai. Maybe Bellurdan is toblakai + Jaghut?

(*In the same way that Edur races are ancient, but aren't listed as a founding race.)

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Re: House of Chains: Book 1
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2018, 08:55:25 AM »
I haven't finished Book 1 yet, but I'm loving how a seemingly random story is now starting to link with the other books, with the appearance of a Malazan troop, references to Pale falling, and what I've just read, Karsa ending up in that mad god's warren and in the ship with the severed heads.
I'm not sure of the timing, though, was this before or after the others ended up there in DG? I can't remember the details, but it must be before, because I think they found the ship empty but the heads, oh that's right, they found the heads all wrapped up, which is was Torvald did!

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Re: House of Chains: Book 1
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2018, 05:24:09 PM »
I haven't finished Book 1 yet, but I'm loving how a seemingly random story is now starting to link with the other books, with the appearance of a Malazan troop, references to Pale falling, and what I've just read, Karsa ending up in that mad god's warren and in the ship with the severed heads.
I'm not sure of the timing, though, was this before or after the others ended up there in DG? I can't remember the details, but it must be before, because I think they found the ship empty but the heads, oh that's right, they found the heads all wrapped up, which is was Torvald did!

(it's liking seeing old friends again :D)

I didn't notice how interwoven the stories were until I read the series a second time. It's crazy how many places you'll find stuff like this.

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Re: House of Chains: Book 1
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2018, 08:59:34 AM »
I finished book 1 and, Leoman! Toblakai!! :D :D WOW

I'm using the Malazan Wiki to check bits and pieces, remind me of events, but I love how it feels I'm getting reunited with old friends, and this is still just book 4, hehe
I'm getting books 5 and 6 this week, that will be my Malazan stint in the first couple of months of 2019 (and then I wonder why I didn't read as many individual books as previous years :P ;D )
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