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Title: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: JMack on November 11, 2015, 11:55:31 AM
So, someone had the bright idea of asking me to host the Book Club for a bit, and as a complete glutton for punishment I'm going for it.

But, since right now I still have several pieces of writing to critique, my November Beast story to write, and need to complete something to send to Michael Sullivan for his critique (I bought a certain level on his "Death of Delgath" Kickstarter campaign), I have limited patience for a lengthy nomination and voting process. I'm playing God with fire and just putting some choices out there without the long process.

Here are 5 books that mix contemporary with seriously back-of-the-catalog stuff. I've set the poll for 5 days and you get two votes. We'll see how quickly we get a sense for things.

A few words on these:

Ocean at the End of the Lane: I've enjoyed the Gaiman I've read, and @xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148) orrdered me to put this in as the price of helping set up child boards and all stuff. (Well, no, he didn't order me. He just suggested.)

Nation: Xiagan suggested this one too  ;) (Makes you wonder who's really in charge of this here month, hmm?)

The Dark is Rising: A new member posted that there is an international read-along for the Dark is Rising series this December to commemorate the 40th anniversary of this classic novel. I've read "Under Sea Over Stone" (or is it "Over Stone Under Sea"?) a few times, but never actually did The Dark.

The Just City: This is sounds really interesting to me. The goddess Athena sets up a city where everything can run according to Hoyle. I'm certain it doesn't go as well as expected.

The Forgotten Beasts of Eld: I loved McKillip's stuff back in the day, and have always remembered being particularly taken by this book. But... I've forgotten much of what it's about. Oh yeah. Beasts and Eld. Works for me.

Take a look at Amazon and Good Reads and see what you think. Argue about it below if you want.  ;D

Who's In?!!!!
 
Title: Book Club for December 2014
Post by: xiagan on November 11, 2015, 12:20:27 PM
2014? I'd like to suggest whatever we read back then. :P ;)
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2014
Post by: JMack on November 11, 2015, 12:56:54 PM
2014? I'd like to suggest whatever we read back then. :P ;)

Um. Yeah. Maybe you could work some Mod magic?  :o
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: Arry on November 11, 2015, 01:45:22 PM
2014? I'd like to suggest whatever we read back then. :P ;)

Um. Yeah. Maybe you could work some Mod magic?  :o
Done :)
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: xiagan on November 11, 2015, 06:08:43 PM
Sooo, my suggestions/nominations are:

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Pat Rothfuss reviews The Ocean at the End of the Lane (https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/629188462?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1)

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Goodreads blurb of Nation:
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Alone on a desert island — everything and everyone he knows and loves has been washed away in a storm — Mau is the last surviving member of his nation. He’s completely alone — or so he thinks until he finds the ghost girl. She has no toes, wears strange lacy trousers like the grandfather bird, and gives him a stick that can make fire.
Daphne, sole survivor of the wreck of the Sweet Judy, almost immediately regrets trying to shoot the native boy. Thank goodness the powder was wet and the gun only produced a spark. She’s certain her father, distant cousin of the Royal family, will come and rescue her but it seems, for now, that all she has for company is the boy and the foul-mouthed ship’s parrot, until other survivors arrive to take refuge on the island. Together, Mau and Daphne discover some remarkable things (including how to milk a pig, and why spitting in beer is a good thing), and start to forge a new nation.

Encompassing themes of death and nationhood, Terry Pratchett’s new novel is, as can be expected, extremely funny, witty and wise. Mau’s ancestors have something to teach us all. Mau just wishes they would shut up about it and let him get on with saving everyone’s lives!
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: Mr.J on November 11, 2015, 06:18:20 PM
Considering there is also a standalone bracket book war going on atm all very good choices, but I think Ocean at the End of the Lane would be a great choice, and probably the best of the bunch.

I've also already read it so would be able to contribute while reading other things :D
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: xiagan on November 11, 2015, 07:50:26 PM
I've also already read it so would be able to contribute while reading other things :D
That's what you think now, but then you can't remember if this happened in that part of the book, etc.. so you will only post in the final discussion if at all. Trust me, I've been there a few times.  ;)
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: Mr.J on November 11, 2015, 07:58:36 PM
I've also already read it so would be able to contribute while reading other things :D
That's what you think now, but then you can't remember if this happened in that part of the book, etc.. so you will only post in the final discussion if at all. Trust me, I've been there a few times.  ;)
My Hopes and Dreams + @xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148) with truth bat = shattered.

Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: Lanko on November 12, 2015, 07:23:54 PM
I voted for Just City because i liked the premise and Nation because i never read Terry Pratchett.

Already reading American Gods from Neil Gaiman, probably will take me the whole month, so i guess i could change authors for the next  :P
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: SJBudd on November 13, 2015, 01:05:36 PM
Nice one Jmack I'd love to read Neil Gaiman's - The Ocean at the end of the lane. I've just bought it!
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: JMack on November 14, 2015, 01:13:43 PM
Bumping the poll for anyone who is interested in reading along in December.
Right now it looks like Xiagan's picks are leading the way: Nation and Ocean.
I ordered both from Amazon yesterday... in real paper.  :o

By the way, I'm thinking about new ways to structure the threads for the Club.
I know some folks have already read one or the other of the two leading books. I htink that only having the week 1, week 2, etc. structure might make some folks hesitant to join in if they read the book some time ago.

So I'm think about something like this:

> Open Discussion Thread with Spoilers (replaces "First Impressions")
> Week 1
> Week 2
> Week 3
> Week 4
> Your Take (snarky poll and your overall take on the book)
> Surprise threads (you'll just have to see what I have in mind, but this might included a competition for best "4 Word Review" for example)

I hope folks will join in.
But hey, I've entertained myself before.  ;) ;D

Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: JMack on November 15, 2015, 12:42:11 PM
Physical books.
Paper and cardstock, with pictures on them.
Pages I can dogear or mark with a torn off piece of junk mail.
And maybe most wonderful of all, an entire thing whose length, shape and progress I can touch and see.

I may just have to give my Kindle a rest.

Nation 367 pages in my edition
The Ocean at the End of the Lane 178 pages in my edition. The paper has those unevenly cut edges to give a more craftlike sense.

Ahhhhhhhh. Books.
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: xiagan on November 16, 2015, 07:16:53 PM
Bumping the poll for anyone who is interested in reading along in December.
Right now it looks like Xiagan's picks are leading the way: Nation and Ocean.
I ordered both from Amazon yesterday... in real paper.  :o

By the way, I'm thinking about new ways to structure the threads for the Club.
I know some folks have already read one or the other of the two leading books. I htink that only having the week 1, week 2, etc. structure might make some folks hesitant to join in if they read the book some time ago.

So I'm think about something like this:

> Open Discussion Thread with Spoilers (replaces "First Impressions")
> Week 1
> Week 2
> Week 3
> Week 4
> Your Take (snarky poll and your overall take on the book)
> Surprise threads (you'll just have to see what I have in mind, but this might included a competition for best "4 Word Review" for example)

I hope folks will join in.
But hey, I've entertained myself before.  ;) ;D
Call me stupid, but what exactly is the difference between the open discussion with spoilers-thread and the week 4-thread? ;)
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: Nighteyes on November 16, 2015, 07:20:39 PM
Bumping the poll for anyone who is interested in reading along in December.
Right now it looks like Xiagan's picks are leading the way: Nation and Ocean.
I ordered both from Amazon yesterday... in real paper.  :o

By the way, I'm thinking about new ways to structure the threads for the Club.
I know some folks have already read one or the other of the two leading books. I htink that only having the week 1, week 2, etc. structure might make some folks hesitant to join in if they read the book some time ago.

So I'm think about something like this:

> Open Discussion Thread with Spoilers (replaces "First Impressions")
> Week 1
> Week 2
> Week 3
> Week 4
> Your Take (snarky poll and your overall take on the book)
> Surprise threads (you'll just have to see what I have in mind, but this might included a competition for best "4 Word Review" for example)

I hope folks will join in.
But hey, I've entertained myself before.  ;) ;D
Call me stupid, but what exactly is the difference between the open discussion with spoilers-thread and the week 4-thread? ;)

Hey stupid. Actually I have no idea either.
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: JMack on November 16, 2015, 07:23:16 PM
Bumping the poll for anyone who is interested in reading along in December.
Right now it looks like Xiagan's picks are leading the way: Nation and Ocean.
I ordered both from Amazon yesterday... in real paper.  :o

By the way, I'm thinking about new ways to structure the threads for the Club.
I know some folks have already read one or the other of the two leading books. I htink that only having the week 1, week 2, etc. structure might make some folks hesitant to join in if they read the book some time ago.

So I'm think about something like this:

> Open Discussion Thread with Spoilers (replaces "First Impressions")
> Week 1
> Week 2
> Week 3
> Week 4
> Your Take (snarky poll and your overall take on the book)
> Surprise threads (you'll just have to see what I have in mind, but this might included a competition for best "4 Word Review" for example)

I hope folks will join in.
But hey, I've entertained myself before.  ;) ;D
Call me stupid, but what exactly is the difference between the open discussion with spoilers-thread and the week 4-thread? ;)

Hey stupid. Actually I have no idea either.

Hmm. I hadn't thought of it that way.
I will adjust.
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: Raptori on November 16, 2015, 08:52:26 PM
I assumed one was for discussing the book as a whole, the other was for discussing the last 25% specifically.  :o
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: xiagan on November 16, 2015, 09:24:28 PM
I assumed one was for discussing the book as a whole, the other was for discussing the last 25% specifically.  :o
Most of the time plot lines resolve in the end of a book, mysteries get solved, etc. so you discuss the resolutions which are from the whole book. It's seldom that something new comes in in the last part that doesn't have ties to the first 75%. So discussing only stuff from the last 25% isn't exactly possible.

It's more like this:
week 1: discussing 25%
week 2: discussing 50%
week 3: discussing 75%
week 3: discussing 100% of the book.
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: JMack on November 16, 2015, 09:46:36 PM
I think it will go something like this, taking "Nation" as the example.
I'll open up the first 5 threads at the same time.

> Chapters 1-4: Part I Discussion
> Chapters 5-8: Part II Discussion
> Chapters 9-12: Part III Discussion
> Full Book Discussion
> Your Take
> Weekly Surprise Threads

My goal is to include the weekly cadence, but accomodate people who read faster or read the book some time ago.

Does anyone think that a mid-month Chat event might be fun? (Skype or the thing Raptori knows how to do)
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: eclipse on November 16, 2015, 10:01:17 PM
(Skype or the thing Raptori knows how to do)

What's that then? Cosplaying the MC?
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: Raptori on November 16, 2015, 11:04:33 PM
I assumed one was for discussing the book as a whole, the other was for discussing the last 25% specifically.  :o
Most of the time plot lines resolve in the end of a book, mysteries get solved, etc. so you discuss the resolutions which are from the whole book. It's seldom that something new comes in in the last part that doesn't have ties to the first 75%. So discussing only stuff from the last 25% isn't exactly possible.

It's more like this:
week 1: discussing 25%
week 2: discussing 50%
week 3: discussing 75%
week 3: discussing 100% of the book.
Yeah I get that, but while that way makes a lot more sense I do think the other way could have worked as well.  :P

(Skype or the thing Raptori knows how to do)

What's that then? Cosplaying the MC?
Free IRC which people can access via web browser (translation: free chatroom where you just click a link in your web browser to join, type in your username, and are then able to chat with everyone). Showed it to a couple of others here a while back, think we were considering using it for the writing group. :)
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on November 17, 2015, 10:13:35 AM
(Skype or the thing Raptori knows how to do)

What's that then? Cosplaying the MC?
:o
 ;D

(Skype or the thing Raptori knows how to do)
Free IRC which people can access via web browser (translation: free chatroom where you just click a link in your web browser to join, type in your username, and are then able to chat with everyone). Showed it to a couple of others here a while back, think we were considering using it for the writing group. :)
Or did he mean Google Hangouts?  :-\


Anyhow, I might be able to get my hands on an English version of Nation, but I'm not sure it's a book I would like to read. I mean it seems like a children's book. Is it?  ???
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: Mr.J on November 17, 2015, 11:20:47 AM
Yea Nation is a children's book, but I'm sure like all the best one's it's perfect for adults too. Here is a review of it by Pat Rothfuss on Goodreads:

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Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

Which is fair enough. :)
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: JMack on November 17, 2015, 11:52:26 AM
Hiya @ArcaneArtsVelho (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40090),

I hope you'll join in. Yes, I think it's got a YA tone, but as has been said, many have found it brilliant. I couldn't say, of course. Haven't read it yet.

And that thing Raptori can do (aside from many others I know about and many I'm sure I don't want to know about) is the IIRC thing. But I can do any of the three modes: Skype, IIRC or Google Hangout.

Meanwhile, I've just been promised some published author swag for the book club, which will be doled out to participants based on a complicated algorithm yet to be developed. Who would want to miss that?! 
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on November 17, 2015, 02:39:27 PM
Yea Nation is a children's book, but I'm sure like all the best one's it's perfect for adults too.
Yes, I think it's got a YA tone, but as has been said, many have found it brilliant. I couldn't say, of course. Haven't read it yet.
Thanks.
I suppose I might as well give it a try IF I manage to get a copy. (Notice the big 'if'.)  :)

And that thing Raptori can do (aside from many others I know about and many I'm sure I don't want to know about) is the IIRC thing.
Ah, okay. Raptori can do so many things... (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_3236.gif)

Meanwhile, I've just been promised some published author swag for the book club, which will be doled out to participants based on a complicated algorithm yet to be developed. Who would want to miss that?! 
I've never been one for swag. Sorry.  :(
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: JMack on November 17, 2015, 02:42:15 PM
Yea Nation is a children's book, but I'm sure like all the best one's it's perfect for adults too.
Yes, I think it's got a YA tone, but as has been said, many have found it brilliant. I couldn't say, of course. Haven't read it yet.
Thanks.
I suppose I might as well give it a try IF I manage to get a copy. (Notice the big 'if'.)  :)

And that thing Raptori can do (aside from many others I know about and many I'm sure I don't want to know about) is the IIRC thing.
Ah, okay. Raptori can do so many things... (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_3236.gif)

Meanwhile, I've just been promised some published author swag for the book club, which will be doled out to participants based on a complicated algorithm yet to be developed. Who would want to miss that?! 
I've never been one for swag. Sorry.  :(

Even if "swag" = "free book"?  ;D
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on November 17, 2015, 02:50:14 PM
I've never been one for swag. Sorry.  :(
Even if "swag" = "free book"?  ;D
Yes, even then.
I know, I know. I'm weird.  8)
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: Mr.J on November 17, 2015, 07:24:30 PM
Who doesn't like swag/free book?  ??? You crazy bean man.
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: Raptori on November 17, 2015, 07:35:20 PM
Hiya @ArcaneArtsVelho (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40090),

I hope you'll join in. Yes, I think it's got a YA tone, but as has been said, many have found it brilliant. I couldn't say, of course. Haven't read it yet.

And that thing Raptori can do (aside from many others I know about and many I'm sure I don't want to know about) is the IIRC thing. But I can do any of the three modes: Skype, IIRC or Google Hangout.

Meanwhile, I've just been promised some published author swag for the book club, which will be doled out to participants based on a complicated algorithm yet to be developed. Who would want to miss that?!
I propose that the swag algorithm be: "swag is awarded to the users with the most dinosaur-like usernames". (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angelic002.gif)
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: xiagan on November 17, 2015, 07:36:50 PM
I propose that the swag algorithm be: "swag is awarded to the users with the most dinosaur-like usernames avatars". (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angelic002.gif)
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: Mr.J on November 17, 2015, 07:41:33 PM
I propose that the swag algorithm be: "swag is awarded to the users with the most dinosaur-like usernames avatars personality". (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angelic002.gif)
Plus if the free swag is based on the level of swag how more swag can you be than an unsummonable, a Mr and have  dot in your name?

Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: JMack on November 17, 2015, 07:57:33 PM
I propose that the swag algorithm be: "swag is awarded to the users with the most dinosaur-like usernames avatars personality". (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angelic002.gif)
Plus if the free swag is based on the level of swag how more swag can you be than an unsummonable, a Mr and have  dot in your name?
Not to mention an Arse Demon?
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: Mr.J on November 17, 2015, 09:01:12 PM
I propose that the swag algorithm be: "swag is awarded to the users with the most dinosaur-like usernames avatars personality". (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angelic002.gif)
Plus if the free swag is based on the level of swag how more swag can you be than an unsummonable, a Mr and have  dot in your name?
Not to mention an Arse Demon?
Exactly. Special bonus.
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: Idlewilder on November 18, 2015, 11:03:45 AM
I didn't vote on this as I'm just seeing it now. I'd like to participate in this one, though. Terry Pratchett is my favourite author and Nation is one of the few books of his I've still not read.
Title: Re: Book Club for December 2015
Post by: JMack on November 18, 2015, 11:30:39 AM
I didn't vote on this as I'm just seeing it now. I'd like to participate in this one, though. Terry Pratchett is my favourite author and Nation is one of the few books of his I've still not read.

Excellent! Love to have you.