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Title: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: xiagan on March 01, 2017, 11:50:39 AM
Through the beast's eye

(http://img13.deviantart.net/43ba/i/2016/093/1/0/i_see_you____by_antonio_panderas-d8aoose.png)
"I see you" by Antonio Panderas (http://antonio-panderas.deviantart.com/)

Writing often means putting yourself in somebody else's shoes and to write from their perspective. The barmaid, the warrior, the shady detective, the witch or the orphan boy. You do this all the time, becoming somebody else for the time you write that person. If you're good at it, all the characters will read, sound and act differently, making decisions that may even surprise you, the writer.
This becomes harder, the more alien to your own life, environment, temperament and motivation your character is.

So this month we want you to write from an Alien or Monster Point of View with a distinctly inhuman psychology or perspective.

Genre is completely open, everything SFF goes. You can use everything/everyone that fits the above description, I'd even argue that a completely mad serial killer, if well portrayed, would be valid.
This is not limited to a monster-human encounter and doesn't have to contain a hunt/battle/engagement of some kind - even if it's a likely theme.


Rules:

1. This must be prose or poetry.
2. Must be written from a nonhuman perspective (see above).
3. Prose must be 500-1500 words long.
4. Poetry must be 100-500 words long.
5. One story per person or writing team (not per account).
6. You will be disqualified if you exceed the limits, full stop. That's why they're called limits.
7. Your entry can't be published somewhere else before.
8. This is a writing contest, not a "I have written something like this ten years ago" contest. So if you happen to have a story that fits one of the themes, I'd like it to have a mayor overhaul/edit. Work for it. ;)
9. Please add your story's word count and, if you have, your twitter handle.
10. Please put your story in [ spoiler ] tags to make the thread easier to handle. :) You can find them above the smileys next to the 'youtube' symbol.
SPECIAL RULE: In this month's contest, all submissions will be ANONYMOUS. This means that you don't post your story in the submission thread but send it in a personal message (formatted in the way you want) to  @Anonymous (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/profile/?u=41315). (If you don't know how, feel free to ask.)
I will post the stories with that account in the submission topic, checking every day (as time allows) for new stories.
When the voting for the stories has ended (April, 30th), I will reveal who wrote which story if you didn't specify in your submission or later that you don't want to be revealed.

Entry will close March 31st/April 1st, 2017 and voting will begin somewhere around the same time too.

The winner will have their piece displayed on the main Fantasy Faction website sometime in the next months.

Please send your entry in a personal message to @Anonymous (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/profile/?u=41315).

Note: This thread is only for questions or discussing this month's writing contest. Good luck!

Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 01, 2017, 12:02:50 PM
OMG OMG OMG, I had an idea for a monster character, [...]
I though of it right at 2am as I failed to go to sleep, and now this topic! I'm in heaven, it's so cool!

EdiX: Cut something out for anonymous' sake.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 01, 2017, 03:41:27 PM
I believe Atku might be interested this month...
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Newway12 on March 01, 2017, 03:42:43 PM
So let me get this straight. The story has to be in the first person perspective? Or can it be third person but telling the monster's story?
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: xiagan on March 01, 2017, 03:44:59 PM
So let me get this straight. The story has to be in the first person perspective? Or can it be third person but telling the monster's story?
Third works too but I think first is the easier choice. :)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 01, 2017, 03:47:16 PM
ninjaed...
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 01, 2017, 04:12:52 PM
Typically would avoid first person at all cost because it would make the alien way of thinking much harder to represent. As soon as you express yourself from the inside with typical human expressions and views, you make your monster a bit more understandable.
Not saying that it would be bad!! It just depends on the type of monster you want to picture, if it's human in ways of thinking, (or human entirely, like a serial killer).

But I think I'll stick to a close third person myself. 
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 01, 2017, 04:20:30 PM
Typically would avoid first person at all cost because it would make the alien way of thinking much harder to represent. As soon as you express yourself from the inside with typical human expressions and views, you make your monster a bit more understandable.
Not saying that it would be bad!! It just depends on the type of monster you want to picture, if it's human in ways of thinking, (or human entirely, like a serial killer).

But I think I'll stick to a close third person myself.

I was just thinking the same thing about the POV style!

I remember a friend once gave me a visual novel that was totally fucked up. There was an alien who altered something in the brain and then your senses were modified, like, you saw people as bizarre monsters and the real monster as some teen girl.

Totally crazy and awesome but I don't remember the name...
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: tebakutis on March 01, 2017, 04:22:03 PM
Oh man, this month is going to be challenging for me. But that's absolutely why I love our little club, as it pushes me outside of the stuff I normally write. Looking forward to this one!
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: JMack on March 01, 2017, 04:26:42 PM
@Lanko....

Atku?
Too frightening to contemplate.
Do you really want to release that on the world?
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 01, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
@Lanko....

Atku?
Too frightening to contemplate.
Do you really want to release that on the world?

I'm the kind of person who just wants to watch the world burn!

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/y6qSrswjp2w/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 01, 2017, 05:52:47 PM
I'm not gonna go through again on how little I care for anonymous months, but isn't there a way for us to be able to publish anonymously on the thread our self? A way to make all publications appear as anonymous?
Because what I dread the most, again, is the formating and the typos.
I edit my work until the last day, changing my mind on which sentence ends a paragraph, where to leave space, editing punctuation and all the little mistakes I only notice days after my work is happily published.
It's not even similar to other submissions, because they give you a manuscript format to respect, (double space, typo x..) and you get to edit yourself in that final form.
I write everything in Ulysses, and copy pasting here looks completely different and leads to a lot of revamping.
I don't know, I just really don't want to bother Anonymous 5 times in a month for my edits that will seem stupid and negligible but mean a lot to me.
If there was a way for us to be able to edit ourselves, it'd make the whole thing so much less constraining.

I might well be the only one bothered by that, but I ask in case it's actually something easily doable, who knows.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: xiagan on March 01, 2017, 08:13:43 PM
I don't see a way for anonymous posts being easily edited by others. If you edit a post, it's noted in the post (look at your first post in this topic). However, I don't have a problem with getting a new version in a pm which I only have to copy and paste in the submission post. That barely takes a minute and if not everybody is doing it 5-10 times, I can live with you doing it that often. ;)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Roelor on March 02, 2017, 09:47:53 AM
Never thought of something of the like, but I feel ideas bubbling up.
Might participate this time :)

Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 02, 2017, 04:14:22 PM
Mmmh... Might need some mod intervention there in the submission thread @xiagan and @ScarletBea since if Anonymous "quotes" the original poster then the suspense is kinda lost.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Arry on March 02, 2017, 04:25:42 PM
Mmmh... Might need some mod intervention there in the submission thread @xiagan and @ScarletBea since if Anonymous "quotes" the original poster then the suspense is kinda lost.

See what happens here (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/(mar-2017)/testing-anonymous-posting-mod-10516/)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 02, 2017, 05:57:52 PM
Cheers, I'm sure it's fine, I suppose the person must have done a mishap while typing the message in, like some sort of copy paste including tags better left out. Happens to me all the time with large quotes. Wanted to make sure the rest didn't get spoiled.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: LightRunner on March 04, 2017, 02:57:54 AM
I was listening to a podcast with Ursula K. LeGuin yesterday (Between the Covers - October 1, 2015 episode) and it made me think about this month's writing contest. I haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but there's a segment focused on language and how it is reflective of so much of our psychology. The examples I can remember off the top of my head had to do with gender (English has no neutral singular pronoun to refer to people) and the prevalence of battle metaphors in America.

There's also some commentary on POV in the podcast, if you're thinking about which one to choose.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Bender on March 04, 2017, 03:08:45 AM
3 months in a row, I've written 3/4ths of a story and unable to complete and submit. Hope I break the jinx this month...
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Ty on March 04, 2017, 04:37:20 AM
Recently read A Closed and Common Orbit by Becky Chambers.  The story follows Lovelace, the ship's AI from Long Way to a Small Angry  Planet. Lovey is put into a physical synthetic body, and taken to a new world, in order to survive.  Exactly what this theme is all about and I wish I could have written here, brilliant. Any one else read it and agree?
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Anonymous on March 05, 2017, 12:38:57 PM
Every idea I have fails on the question of "but how is this truly inhuman?"

(http://i.imgur.com/GGNYm8G.jpg)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: m3mnoch on March 05, 2017, 02:36:43 PM
i was struck by inspiration friday.  took down a few notes.  after sitting on it for a day or two, i think i still like the idea this morning.  i'mma go for it.

tho, i did just remember that we'll need some anonymous story guessing tool, right?!?  we gotta drive up some drama!

however, i will note, it's all going to be manual guessing this time.  i just don't have enough writing samples from everyone, so the results coming out of the software-guesser-robot is super-super noisy.  crowd-sourced guessing all the way, yo!
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: The Gem Cutter on March 05, 2017, 04:15:54 PM
Every idea I have fails on the question of "but how is this truly inhuman?"

(http://i.imgur.com/GGNYm8G.jpg)

I can't read your notes very well, but I saw "sarcophagus" and "wakes." Assuming it was human to begin with, you would want to explore how that experience changes a person into something that isn't human - what is lost and/or what is gained from that experience? Human beings do not wake from their sarcophagi - to my mind, the answer to your question lies there. IMHO, a being that has defeated death is no longer human. At all. It might not be apparent for a while, but when one shifts beyond a 100-year lifespan, the perspective must be staggeringly different.

For example, the blue guy in Watchmen undergoes a steady loss of his humanity through the powers he gains, but I think the real change comes not from what he can do, but from the perceptions which he gained, the "events so tiny they can hardly be said to have occurred at all." He comes to be, essentially, a sociopath with shrinking/limited capacity to identify with humans - the cost of seeing the mechanisms of the universe is to lose sight of what it's like to be oblivious to them. Hope this is helpful.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 05, 2017, 07:36:19 PM
I have an idea in the works, but it's turning to be very high in description and rather low in action. I relish describing my monster more than giving the pov of it. We'll see.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Alex Hormann on March 06, 2017, 01:24:18 AM
I had what seemed like a brilliant idea, but the more of it I write, the less it fits the theme. I'll probably end up writing something else and using the current idea for something else.

I really want to do something totally alien, but I can't think of a way to do that that's readable.  :-\
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2017, 01:55:09 AM
Which is best?

A :

Quote
Fear is, arguably, one of mankind's best quality. It drives self preservation, dragging Science and Art in its wake.
Fear of war, fear of disease, fear of loneliness; death's rank breath brushing down every man's spine and making them wonder, everyday as they wake, what shall I do today, to feel alive, to become immortal?

or B :

Quote
Fear is, arguably, one of mankind's best quality. It drives self preservation, dragging Science and Art in its wake.
Fear of war, fear of disease, fear of loneliness, the rank breath of death breezing down every man's neck and making them wonder, everyday as they wake, what shall I do today, to be alive, to become immortal?

Such minute differences are excruciating for me because I want to avoid unwanted rhyming, but like the snappiness of similar sounds.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: The Gem Cutter on March 06, 2017, 02:23:22 AM
Which is best?

A :

Quote
Fear is, arguably, one of mankind's best quality. It drives self preservation, dragging Science and Art in its wake.
Fear of war, fear of disease, fear of loneliness; death's rank breath brushing down every man's spine and making them wonder, everyday as they wake, what shall I do today, to feel alive, to become immortal?

or B :

Quote
Fear is, arguably, one of mankind's best quality. It drives self preservation, dragging Science and Art in its wake.
Fear of war, fear of disease, fear of loneliness, the rank breath of death breezing down every man's neck and making them wonder, everyday as they wake, what shall I do today, to be alive, to become immortal?

Such minute differences are excruciating for me because I want to avoid unwanted rhyming, but like the snappiness of similar sounds.

Is this poetry or prose? I didn't detect the rhyme reading it as prose.

If pushed, I'd choose A. I like "feel alive", the Ls link together nicely and it's a nicer sentiment. A prisoner is alive. A free man feels alive. "Breezing" seems too light a verb for death, and "Brushes" draws on the phrase "brush with death."

Suggestions (if it's prose): make quality plural or get rid of "one of"; replace "everyday" with "every day", or better yet, with "each day", since you use "every" in the sentence already.

Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Ty on March 06, 2017, 03:35:53 AM
Which is best?
or B :

Quote
Fear is, arguably, one of mankind's best quality. It drives self preservation, dragging Science and Art in its wake.
Fear of war, fear of disease, fear of loneliness, the rank breath of death breezing down every man's neck and making them wonder, everyday as they wake, what shall I do today, to be alive, to become immortal?

Such minute differences are excruciating for me because I want to avoid unwanted rhyming, but like the snappiness of similar sounds.

^ B for me. I prefer the slight rhyme here more, feel it emphasises the breezing (or brushing if you prefer) and a chilling effect.   Found "death's rank breath brushing" awkward because of the alliteration. Say them aloud and feel the difference. ;).
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: ScarletBea on March 06, 2017, 09:29:58 AM
I prefer B too, but maybe "crawling" instead of "breezing". And also keeping the "feel alive" from A (instead of "be alive" from B).
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: JMack on March 06, 2017, 11:28:49 AM
And just to confuse things, I prefer A.
I like alliteration, and breeze isn't the right word.
Maybe if breeze weren't there I'd have a different sense of B.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: ScarletBea on March 06, 2017, 11:38:52 AM
And people wonder why we've got ties in the voting, for very different stories ;D
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: m3mnoch on March 06, 2017, 03:19:51 PM
i'm probably on the a-train.

"fear of loneliness; death's rank breath brushing down"
or
"fear of loneliness, the rank breath of death breezing down"

i'm personally not a fan of semicolons.  also, i like the possessive "death's rank breath" better.  oh, and i don't like either verb.  how about "dancing"?  or "playing"?  something that hits closer to the wonder of it.


"to feel alive"
or
"to be alive"

feel.  definitely feel.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: J.R. Darewood on March 09, 2017, 04:44:26 AM
fickle b*****s
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 09, 2017, 09:57:55 AM
I vote for an option C  ::)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2017, 02:02:27 PM
I vote for an option C  ::)

Ok option C it is : not include any of those and write a different character!

On to it!
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: J.R. Darewood on March 10, 2017, 09:55:18 AM
My first draft:

Quote
Lo!  The hulking creature fell upon him in haste, with its wicked claws and gnashing maw-- the horror!  His hands flew up defensively, gasping breathlessly as he batted away each fell strike, the embattled pair locked in a deadly embrace.

Final draft after taking loads of orthodox writing advice:

Quote
See Spot run! Spot is big!  See spot jump!  See Spot jump on John!
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2017, 12:29:34 PM
Third idea. Finally, one I think I can sink my fingers into.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 12, 2017, 01:00:16 PM
I'm having a hard time with this one. Not the faintest hint of an idea. Sure, I may serve my meals pretty late, but I do have at least a few ideas cooking.

Anyway, considering what I've read and watched, the monster remains inhuman and incomprehensible mostly by remaining shrouded in mystery exactly because we don't have their POV showing us emotions/motivations that could make us understand what makes them tick.

It's like instead of writing a story from a random professor, I'm trying to put Cthulhu's thoughts and perspectives on the page, when it's exactly by not doing it that makes him/her/it so alien...
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: ScarletBea on March 12, 2017, 01:04:13 PM
@xiagan, we haven't had much luck in choosing the themes of the past few months, have we? :-\
Whatever we think is different and interesting, then people don't like... unless it was dragons, hehe

What is the writers' opinion? Do you want to be challenged?
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 12, 2017, 01:15:25 PM
I didn't say I didn't like it, I just really have no clue how to write it properly...

I like the different challenges, maybe even one of them will make one of us create an entirely new genre in the future!

But this one I don't even know of examples to give me a foothold... My best attempt got me retelling of tales from different perspectives (and they still had very human feelings and motivations).
So maybe I could try to retell a story, like from the Medusa POV or like Alien from the Alien's viewpoint...but then it would be another fanfic...

EDIT: Actually I don't know if even that would work. Medusa could just be a woman gone mad and angry for being turned into a monster and then we would understand why she's like that. And Alien I heard was about motherhood, with the alien trying to protect her nest or something... so now you understand where the alien comes from and why she's doing all that...
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 12, 2017, 01:30:44 PM
There are challenges we can enjoy and others we don't. In my case fanfic is a challenge, but one I'm utterly uninterested in taking. Others are challenges like this month but not bad at all. I see how it would be straining but I don't struggle to come up with ideas for characters. It's more the plot that stumps me so far.
We've written fairy tales from a different pov, where a few of us have sided with the baddies. And in dragons the pov was often the one of the creatures. That's exactly what this topic is about.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 12, 2017, 01:43:29 PM
Are likes not working here? Can't click it...

EDIT: Ok, this is strange. I can like the posts, but when I try to like an Anonymous post (the one in page 2), it doesn't work and also locks me of liking other posts if I don't refresh the page  :o
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Eclipse on March 12, 2017, 01:59:04 PM
@xiagan, we haven't had much luck in choosing the themes of the past few months, have we? :-\
Whatever we think is different and interesting, then people don't like... unless it was dragons, hehe

What is the writers' opinion? Do you want to be challenged?

I think Xia does a wonderful job with the themes,  carry on the good work.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Eclipse on March 12, 2017, 02:01:52 PM
Are likes not working here? Can't click it...

EDIT: Ok, this is strange. I can like the posts, but when I try to like an Anonymous post (the one in page 2), it doesn't work and also locks me of liking other posts if I don't refresh the page  :o

You not trying to like your own anonymous post are you? Crafty devil!
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 12, 2017, 02:04:32 PM
Are likes not working here? Can't click it...

EDIT: Ok, this is strange. I can like the posts, but when I try to like an Anonymous post (the one in page 2), it doesn't work and also locks me of liking other posts if I don't refresh the page  :o

You not trying to like your own anonymous post are you? Crafty devil!

That sounds like something you would do!
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Eclipse on March 12, 2017, 02:17:54 PM
I'm offended by that unscrupulous allegation sir ,I hope you have not mistaken me for a Frenchman. I have you know sir that I am a gentleman of honour and integrity I wouldn't  sink so low by Jove! I get my man servant to do it instead my good Lanko.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 12, 2017, 02:27:27 PM
I'm offended by that unscrupulous allegation sir ,I hope you have not mistaken me for a Frenchman. I have you know sir that I am a gentleman of honour and integrity I wouldn't  sink so low by Jove! I get my man servant to do it instead my good Lanko.

With your avatar pic it's hard not to mistake you for a Frenchman  ::)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Eclipse on March 12, 2017, 02:38:38 PM
That's a scandalous thing to say about an English gentleman. It is a good job I I'm of a kindly nature and willing to let this matter to go if you do the honourable thing and apologise .for you to have mistaken me as a Frenchman is frankly sickening otherwise I will have no option but for my man servant Robert to hunt you down and flog you. It be a terrible shame for all of us.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 12, 2017, 02:49:19 PM
I Googled "English wig" and "Frenchman wig".

Those wigs seemed to be used in England on Parliament and they're fake.

(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1JUBhHVXXXXbkXVXXq6xXFXXXf/Grey-Wavy-Cosplay-Wigs-English-Colonial-Parliament-1870-Enigma-Costume-Wig-Popular-Synthetic-Hair-Wigs-Hot.jpg)

And the French nobility/famous seemed to use it daily?

(http://thegraphicsfairy.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/_CarNcodpCMA/SAVIXlFYFYI/AAAAAAAABH0/qMUb3jRREtg/s1600/1leshero001.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/99/17/68/99176878c98639968bb9b426c6e0689c.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mWGH50rRWec/Tzuz3DSBxBI/AAAAAAAABWQ/VkNsHwbhKzU/s1600/Louis_XV_by_Maurice-Quentin_de_La_Tour.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/ff/ee/a7/ffeea749d250495e624f3f25bd6fb962.jpg)

Anyway, maybe the whole thing was invented by the English and maybe I'm totally wrong with this 5 minute research! But it's the French who have the fame for modeling fashion!

So Frenchman it is! (evil laughter at Eclipse's distress!)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 12, 2017, 04:10:58 PM
I'm offended by that unscrupulous allegation sir ,I hope you have not mistaken me for a Frenchman. I have you know sir that I am a gentleman of honour and integrity I wouldn't  sink so low by Jove! I get my man servant to do it instead my good Lanko.

I hope you try some frog legs for cultural diversity's sake and choke on them you Briton!  ;D
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2017, 04:59:36 PM
@Lanko, I've been thinking about the "distinctly inhuman psychology or perspective" requirement for a while now.
I run along these paths:

...A being can be different from humans physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, magically, spiritually, (and other -lys)
...One or more of these "at strength" should result in something inhuman in psychology or perspective
...But you and I are humans trying to write this. All we can do is create an illusion of difference through contrast

I started one story in which the "beast" MC has a different living imperative. In humans, these imperatives might be listed as to survive, to procreate, to enjoy, to create. (A sort of Maslow's hierarchy.) So what if a being's imperative was to create art, and all else is secondary at an instinctive level? If humans interfered with the art, wheat then?

Or in the case of a true "beast" as we would think of one, the only priorities are survival, sex, and comfort. Humans might threaten this, so inhuman perspective calls for the humans to be killed.

I started another story in which certain physical senses are far more sensitive than in humans, but others less so. I think sharks and electrical fields/motion, whales and water salinity/pressure/temperature, wolves, etc. and smell.

The list of difference through contrast can go on forever. But the point, of course, is that the difference creates "inhuman" perspective. For this to be more than warmed-over anthropomorphism, the difference should lead to a variety of thought, behavior, and emotion that a normal human wouldn't exhibit.

I've an idea I'm noodling. The third idea, as my earlier post said. Physical, magical, spiritual, mental differences all run amok. I'm getting a little jazzed about it.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 12, 2017, 05:45:10 PM
If humans interfered with the art, wheat then?

Human hot buns. Organ bread. Man flesh rolls.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 12, 2017, 06:09:36 PM
I started one story in which the "beast" MC has a different living imperative. In humans, these imperatives might be listed as to survive, to procreate, to enjoy, to create. (A sort of Maslow's hierarchy.) So what if a being's imperative was to create art, and all else is secondary at an instinctive level? If humans interfered with the art, wheat then?

Curiously, I did think of Maslow's pyramid... then realized it was designed to portray the needs of humans. Yes, we only need to make an illusion, but the illusion is not being strong enough...

About your example, I also thought of some kind of imperative or even obsession. That made me think about other problems with this approach:

1)If a being or species has an imperative with something, it could just lead to stereotypes in the likes of "the imperative of elves is to preserve and live with nature" or "dwarfs only care about booze and gold".

2)On an individual level, an obsession or imperative seems the most likely angle of approach.
But I guess that also can create an entire new batch of problems. It could just be a very strange hobby, like collecting something or some mental disorder in how to do things or to repeat things.
In the case of serial killers, we might wonder why they did such things, but trained professionals are often able to tell why and trace the roots of their behavior. So in this case psychological trauma turning into sociopathic behavior is a mental illness, and mental illness =/= inhuman, alien perspective. It could even be offensive to some to consider it as such.

BUT, now that I think about it (and with the help of that picture and the title "Beast's Eye") I'm now wondering if I'm reading the theme proposal and thinking about the inhuman perspective only in the form of a monster or alien creature when it can be someone too strange to think or relate in daily life...

@xiagan Would a character like Jorg Ancrath (if we didn't have his flashbacks to explain his life and why he does the things he does) qualify?

Or indeed it needs to be some form of creature?

Or in the case of a true "beast" as we would think of one, the only priorities are survival, sex, and comfort. Humans might threaten this, so inhuman perspective calls for the humans to be killed.

The list of difference through contrast can go on forever. But the point, of course, is that the difference creates "inhuman" perspective. For this to be more than warmed-over anthropomorphism, the difference should lead to a variety of thought, behavior, and emotion that a normal human wouldn't exhibit.

But survival, sex and comfort are totally comprehensible reasons for us, no matter how bizarrely their diet is or how they mate, specially if we're seeing those reasons through the beast's POV.

I think behavior is gonna be the key. Thought may get us too close. And what emotion could we invent that a normal human has never even heard of before? Even if a normal person wouldn't exhibit it, we would still know it, thus wouldn't be alien.

Or maybe I'm overthinking things...
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2017, 06:18:07 PM
Something completely inhuman that you invent would be... entertaining. And we'd call the men in little white suits.  ;D

But come on, a dog is inhuman. We can understand the dog's motivations. I think it's entirely in bounds to see through the eyes of a beast simply bent on sex or survival - preferably both. The senses would be different. The perceptions of the world would be different. All of that would have to be expressed in language that makes sense.

"The cub shied away from the Alpha, then rolled on its back, urine puddling the matted leaves."

Or,

"X!jukickt submitted itself to scanning from the Leader, the feeling sending its snails scurrying for better protection deeper beneath his skin."


Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 12, 2017, 06:26:49 PM
Yeah... even Lovecraft wasn't crazy enough to write through Cthulhu's perspective  ::)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 12, 2017, 07:32:15 PM
Whoa @Lanko, you're making your life so much more complicated than need be.

Yes you can write from the pov of a human, xia said in the description that a serial killer counts. We spend so much time after all try to find out what goes on "in their heads", and their lawyers spend equal amounts of time trying to remind the crowds/jury, that they are men, not monsters, and if we call them monsters then we must live with the implications, etc.

So many books tackled "alien" creatures points of view! Have you not read Ancillary Justice? Or the Hell Boy comics, or the Watchmen, or interview with the Vampire? Or any Anne Rice book, and any book featuring intelligent dragons, or some chapters of A Long Way, or The Girl With All the Gifts?
There are far more than just Elves and Dwarves and you're in no way more at risk of falling into cliche than if you wrote a love story or an orphan prophecy story, and of course you could write a completely compelling story involving a beer drinking miner Dwarf.
Up to you and your writing.

It looks like you're trying to bring yourself down and pull the Overcomplicated rug over you.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: xiagan on March 12, 2017, 08:21:37 PM
@Lanko, if you manage to pull off a story that meets your high expectations and overthinking - wow!

I think Anonymous and Nora are on the right path, don't overcomplicate things (if they slow you down, otherwise go for it).

I'm not sure I can think Jorg without the Flashbacks and without his history...
A human being that has absolutely no fear and doesn't care how their actions affect themselves would count, imho.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 12, 2017, 08:35:37 PM
Haha, yeah, when I saw the theme the thing that got stuck in my mind all this time was Lovecraft's mythos. Through their POV.

No wonder I'm struggling  ::)

But thanks all, that cleared things that I didn't need to go to such insane levels of inhumanity  ::)

Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: LightRunner on March 12, 2017, 09:16:33 PM
@Lanko

I think I had the same troubles that you're talking about with this theme. One thing that helped me start to actually generate a story was to try to define for myself what a human psychology would be.

For some reason, my initial thoughts led me down a rabbit hole where my ideas of an inhuman POV resulted in multiple selves. Once I recognized that there is a difference between a self / consciousness / individual being and a human, I was able to get past the initial desire to have an inhuman psychology be completely foreign (which is a seemingly impossible task).

So, then I defined a self / consciousness / individual and figured out which variations of those defining characteristics led to a human psychology. To get an inhuman psychology, you pick different variations of those attributes.

I don't know if that's at all helpful, but it seems to be working for me.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 13, 2017, 03:14:23 AM
You guys are giving so much hard thoughts to all this... Damn. I'm struggling to pick between two types of monsters and first or third person, and I didn't stop to think about what defined human nature at all.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: XanderSloan on March 14, 2017, 11:02:49 AM
Excuse me, New guy coming through.

Can I just clarify that rather than now PM'ing entries to @Anonymous we can now simple hit the "Reply Anonymously" button in the relevant forum thread?

Thanks!
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: ScarletBea on March 14, 2017, 11:29:07 AM
Yes, that's it!
You will see your name in the post, but there will be a little ghost figure next to it, meaning that others can't see it's you :)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: XanderSloan on March 14, 2017, 11:34:23 AM
Thanks for clarifying :)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: The Gem Cutter on March 14, 2017, 07:23:11 PM
So I thought I had a grip on this month's theme, but then the lengthy and interesting dialogue above made me question myself. So here's what I was working on, which I liked at first, but now I wonder: is my beast 'main-enough' to be the MC? I'm scrapping this story but maybe it would be useful to discuss just what we're trying to do here. Unless I'm the only one a little confused.

Beneath the shade and dangling green of an old and hoary willow, Malika Baber Mazandaran, queen of Caspian Tigers, lay dozing among the roots. Her striped fur made her all but invisible. With summer coming, her coat itched and annoyed, but in the dark before dawn she had rolled in the soothing earth near the river bank, marking her territory, rubbing out some of the offending hairs, and masking her scent.

Cleverest of cats, she often did two, three, or more things at a time. Now, she rested. But her shadowy lager between the cliffs and the river placed her within lethal range of anything coming to drink or trying to pass, and so she also hunted as she preferred. From a nap.

The buzzing of insects changed only faintly, but Malika was wizened with years, and lifted her head, instantly alert. When the men’s scent reached her, she was already prone and positioned to attack, watching through the hanging tendrils of willow with golden eyes that did not blink.

“Are you sure?” the short, fat man asked. He wore mail and a gold crown. The exertion of trudging along the river reddened his face. His tall and silver-bearded companion wore robes of faded lavender, and stepped lightly just behind. “This seems a foolish risk. Why does it have to be me?”

“Nature, your majesty. Tigers can sense the dominance of a man in his mark, and will not cross that scent. The valley is narrow, and your mark will drive her right toward your enemies. If I tried it, she would either ignore it or attack.”

“Nothing necessary is foolish, eh?”

The robed man shrugged. “Your cousin’s army will not come this way without sending scouts. Their scouts will not return - Queen Malika will see to that, if you do as I suggest. When they do not return, your cousin will believe the river-vale to be an ambush and take the long way around, beneath the heights. He knows you don’t have enough men to hold both the vale and the heights, so he will rush forward thinking you have divided your forces. Then your horse will crush him.”

The scent of the man in armor drifted to her on the breeze, a new and interesting mix of steel and nervous sweat. He carried a sword. Malika knew about swords, knowledge she had bought with deep scars on her shoulders. The scent of the man in robes she knew well. She ignored the slavering drool that dripped from her jaws. Her claws, black and curved, curled into the earth, not with the quivering tension of attack. Not yet. Only the firmness of readiness. She knew her range to within the breadth of a blade of grass, measured in bounds. At four, she could have them both. But the sword gave her pause.

The men continued to approach, coming within five bounds of Malika’s hiding spot.

“I still cannot believe Roderick would be so stupid,” the mailed-man said. “We outnumber him three-to-two, and yet he marches to attack. Doesn’t that seem odd to you?”

“Overconfidence, my liege. Overconfidence is ever the bane of those who would rule. Have you considered my request?”

The man in mail laughed a rumbling guffaw.

The noise delivered a wealth of knowledge to Malika’s ears. The light wheeze of watery phlegm painted him with an alluring vulnerability in her eyes. From his gait and his weight, she knew he could not run fast. She whined softly at the knowledge that he could not run far.

“I considered it,” the man said, pausing to catch his breath. “But you know I cannot release so valuable a counselor at a time like this. Perhaps next year we will have your family returned to you. Don’t give me that look, damn you. It’s only one more year, and then I will set you free. How much further?”

“Just ahead, sire. Set your sword into the earth by that rock over there, but stay clear of the willows. They’re bad luck.”

“You’re a brilliant sorcerer, Bardaisan. Brilliant! How did you train this beast?” He wobbled clumsily within four bounds of Malika, laboring with the weight of his armored boots thickly covered with mud. Malika reappraised him with every step, recalculated her hunger. She could take him in now, but the sword stirred hot memories of stinging pain. Most men could draw a sword in two of her leaps. This man would take no less than three. In her youth, he would already be dead. But Malika was the cleverest of cats. Too low for human hearing, she growled as years of practice and learning conflicted with hungry, urgent impulses.

“I didn’t train her,” Bardaisan said. He stopped and watched the man in mail go on. “Nature did.”

Malika’s shoulders and flanks knotted with tension. Her golden eyes flicked back and forth between the waggle of the fat man’s throat that stuck just high enough from the breastplate, and his eyes that unnerved her, stifled her aggression, and made her feel exposed. Humans were the only fear she knew that walked on legs.

Lightning, fire, thunder – these things terrified her, too, but humans were different. Humans were the terror that could be killed and devoured; sweeter than pork, but slower, softer, and, without their swords, defenseless. But she was a queen who ruled in the blessed solace of invisible anonymity. To her, the glance of a single eye was an alarming thing, and this human seemed to stare right through the shadows with two. Her heart thudded harder as he crossed the limit of three bounds.

“That should do, your highness,” Bardaisan said, walking to the river’s edge.

Malika’s eyes narrowed, and her ears lay back on her head as the man drew his sword and raised it. How the sight of it angered and irritated! She lay perfectly motionless, hovering between the urge to rush, kill, and eat, and the terror of the blade and the memory of her wounds.

The man thrust the sword into the earth, took another step forward. “This has got to be the most foolish thing I’ve ever done.” He fumbled with his armor. In a moment, he had freed himself. He sighed as his urine streamed onto the ground. Malika’s ground.

An outrage! The hair on her hackles rose on end before the scent had even reached her. Her hunger fell away, forgotten. She quivered with a rage that dispelled all her careful calculations.

Only the eyes, blinking in drowsy relief, held her at bay. Her jaw trembled as she imagined the killing-bite, over and over and over.

“I would have to agree,” Bardaisan called. “This is the most foolish thing you’ve ever done.”

“Oh?” said the man, retying his pants. The gruff irritation in his voice excited Queen Malika even more. It was aggressive, almost a growl. It was beyond toleration.

“I knew you would be intractable,” Bardaisan went on. “There’s simply no dealing with men like you. So I decided to deal with another. Roderick was happy to exchange my and my family’s freedom for your crown. And Queen Malika? She’s always happy to kill a fat, overbearing oaf. Ever since she was a cub – in my barn.”

The man turned to the sorcerer in slack-jawed disbelief. Bardaisan grabbed himself in the crotch, the old but appropriate insult. Disbelief swept into a rage. The man’s eyes flicked to his sword. He took a quick step toward it, sealing his fate.

Seeing her prey begin to flee, her instincts ignited, rushing through her like lightning.

With reflexes that could, and sometimes did knock darting sparrows from the air, Malika exploded from the shadows of the willow tree, halving the distance in the first bound. The man reached out for his sword, but she was already airborne, arcing through the air with claws outstretched, jaws gaping opening, and fangs twisting to align with the neck.

The man thudded to the earth beneath her onslaught, sword falling one way, crown rolling the other. The man was already dead, but Malika shook him once, twice, then dropped him. She looked to Bardaisan, panting lightly through blood-stained jaws.

Bardaisan looked at Malika. Blinking his eyes slowly and often, he knelt, held out a well-known hand.

Malika slowly crossed the space between them, broke into a trot, then bowled the man over as she rubbed her scent into him. Bardaisan laughed as he rubbed her powerful shoulders, scratched behind the velvet ears.
“That’s a queenly kitty,” he said, as he always did on their visits. He began to back away, and she followed for a moment or two, before her hunger reminded her of other things. She turned and stalked back toward her recently-offending meal. Bardaisan faced her until she had returned to the king, laid down, and given him her first, tentative lick.

Bardaisan looked down at his robes, now smeared with blood. He teased up what little hair remained to him, tore at his robe, and dragged a sleeve against a tree-branch as he passed, ripping the fabric.  Everyone knew the Queen was a man-eater, so he needed to look like a man who had just escaped. Which he was, from a particular point of view.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: NightWrite on March 18, 2017, 07:14:30 PM
I have two ideas, but can't decide between them. With the amount of time I have until the deadline I might try to write out both and see which I like more. Though it might end up I have a weaker story as I split my focus. Maybe I should just draw from a hat....
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2017, 07:10:16 PM
Draft one finished. Pretty okay, I think.
Now to let it breathe a bit.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: ScarletBea on March 22, 2017, 12:17:45 PM
ONE WEEK (and a bit...) left!!!

Get your stories ready :D
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 22, 2017, 04:01:49 PM
Yeah it sucks. I'm at my fourth idea, and still no concrete plot. maybe it won't be plot based, but character based? Slice of life? Whatever, I've written like 14 pages of notebook about these different stories and characters and nothing is quite whipping out properly.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: DevinBM on March 23, 2017, 11:17:04 AM
Whew! It's been a lengthy bit I've been stuck away from internet, but I'm back. I think it's a little to late for me to come up with something this month and get it edited and submitted with my terrible connection, BUT I AM DEFINITELY VOTING! I can't wait.

F.Y.I. Kuwait is a lot sandier and dustier than I thought, even though everyone told me it would be worse than I expected. Bright side is, it isn't super hot yet, so there's that.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Roelor on March 23, 2017, 02:00:13 PM
For the last weeks I've been struggling to find a good idea in this sense.
I came up with something now and hope I'll manage to write and polish it in a week.
Fingers crossed to see whether I can do my idea justice :D
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: The Gem Cutter on March 23, 2017, 02:46:26 PM
Whew! It's been a lengthy bit I've been stuck away from internet, but I'm back. I think it's a little to late for me to come up with something this month and get it edited and submitted with my terrible connection, BUT I AM DEFINITELY VOTING! I can't wait.

F.Y.I. Kuwait is a lot sandier and dustier than I thought, even though everyone told me it would be worse than I expected. Bright side is, it isn't super hot yet, so there's that.

I spent a lot of time there in the 90s, out in the desert, mostly. If you smell something like burnt hair at night, it's a camel spider :)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: xiagan on March 23, 2017, 05:32:49 PM
Whew! It's been a lengthy bit I've been stuck away from internet, but I'm back. I think it's a little to late for me to come up with something this month and get it edited and submitted with my terrible connection, BUT I AM DEFINITELY VOTING! I can't wait.

F.Y.I. Kuwait is a lot sandier and dustier than I thought, even though everyone told me it would be worse than I expected. Bright side is, it isn't super hot yet, so there's that.

I spent a lot of time there in the 90s, out in the desert, mostly. If you smell something like burnt hair at night, it's a camel spider :)
Don't google Camel Spider, Bea...
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: ScarletBea on March 23, 2017, 06:10:54 PM
Whew! It's been a lengthy bit I've been stuck away from internet, but I'm back. I think it's a little to late for me to come up with something this month and get it edited and submitted with my terrible connection, BUT I AM DEFINITELY VOTING! I can't wait.

F.Y.I. Kuwait is a lot sandier and dustier than I thought, even though everyone told me it would be worse than I expected. Bright side is, it isn't super hot yet, so there's that.

I spent a lot of time there in the 90s, out in the desert, mostly. If you smell something like burnt hair at night, it's a camel spider :)
Don't google Camel Spider, Bea...
Not even going near...
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: The Gem Cutter on March 23, 2017, 09:14:08 PM
Feast your eyes on the horror!!
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/PriceIsRight0221/spider-camel.jpg)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: NightWrite on March 24, 2017, 12:59:17 PM
Feast your eyes on the horror!!
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/PriceIsRight0221/spider-camel.jpg)
I'm not sure which disturbs me more, this or the real camel spiders. Perhaps this charming fellow could be the "beast" of focus :D.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: ScarletBea on March 24, 2017, 01:03:41 PM
I think some of you may be overthinking this...

Writing from a nonhuman perspective can simply be the non existence of stairs, because the nonhumans climb walls - more space inside ;D
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 26, 2017, 12:30:45 AM
Currently starting my FIFTH story, with the 4th different beast. And I only have tomorrow before a friend comes and visits me in Edinburgh until the 31st.
Sitting on 200 words and an idea. Dang.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: J.R. Darewood on March 27, 2017, 01:10:17 PM

The Gaint Slug

Bom smog-smush smush shhhhiiiiiiiiiickl bom!

Shleeeeph kkkhuhk sheihhk smush smush smuuuuuush.

Keehkh.

The End.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Alex Hormann on March 27, 2017, 01:14:31 PM

The Gaint Slug

Bom smog-smush smush shhhhiiiiiiiiiickl bom!

Shleeeeph kkkhuhk sheihhk smush smush smuuuuuush.

Keehkh.

The End.

Beautiful. Brings a tear to the eye, it does.

I now want to write about an adventuring party of molluscs . . .
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: J.R. Darewood on March 27, 2017, 10:03:03 PM
I'd read all about your molluscs!!

Given that my computer broke and I'm writing from my phone this whole minimum word count thing is really making it hard to enter this month...
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 30, 2017, 08:11:17 AM
I really hope we can close this on the 1st? I've been seeing/taking care of my visiting friend from Australia since Monday and now I'll also have my last days at work. My only chance to write the ~800 missing words will be tomorrow evening after work. I might not make it.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: ScarletBea on March 30, 2017, 08:56:15 AM
No worries Nora - I'll keep it open for you.
(I remember one month when @Lanko submitted on the 2nd ;))
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: xiagan on March 30, 2017, 09:20:37 AM
No worries Nora - I'll keep it open for you.
(I remember one month when @Lanko submitted on the 2nd ;))
One? ;D
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 30, 2017, 10:10:24 AM
No worries Nora - I'll keep it open for you.
(I remember one month when @Lanko submitted on the 2nd ;))
One? ;D

Hmph, I decided to check and... there are actually three on the 2nd... and *gasp* two on the 3rd!
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: ScarletBea on March 30, 2017, 10:21:02 AM
Wow, I honestly didn't know - I thought they were all on the 1st, hehe
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 30, 2017, 12:19:11 PM
Wow, I honestly didn't know - I thought they were all on the 1st, hehe

All the others are  ::)

Except the 4th wall one, a true anomaly I was never able to repeat.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 30, 2017, 03:01:44 PM
Wow don't tempt me because if I can finish by the end of the first I have two evenings to work it, but I'm free the whole of the second. I would feel a certain degree of discomfort to Lankoise myself though.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: ScarletBea on March 30, 2017, 04:01:37 PM
to Lankoise myself
and we got a new verb... ;D
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 30, 2017, 09:37:58 PM
to Lankoise myself
and we got a new verb... ;D

My humble contribution to the English language.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 31, 2017, 11:36:36 AM
Jmack has his goats, Nighteyes has his wolves, Lady_Ty has her dragons... Guess I should make tortoises my official animal and deity  ::)

Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: ScarletBea on March 31, 2017, 12:14:56 PM
Thing is, you're not slow - just late ;D
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 31, 2017, 12:21:28 PM
(http://www.beheadingboredom.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/why-late-traffic-nuts-squirrel.jpg)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on March 31, 2017, 05:08:47 PM
May I suggest this new profile picture?

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSxuHn61R5OcVFfecgZjciSnKrW8_StOsLcNe-TGq4stjlhI1uQAUH-BbizXQ)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on March 31, 2017, 06:32:20 PM
May I suggest this new profile picture?

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSxuHn61R5OcVFfecgZjciSnKrW8_StOsLcNe-TGq4stjlhI1uQAUH-BbizXQ)

I prefer a proper knight on top of the turtle, but I'm open to suggestions  ::)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Justan Henner on April 01, 2017, 05:31:53 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d2/08/93/d20893fd9d729027c478d48d7e78e7a7.jpg)

Turtle knight imo.
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Nora on April 01, 2017, 09:48:40 PM
Looks like this month it'll be anon but with a choice of Nora/Lanko in ownership of the two late stories.  ;D
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: ScarletBea on April 01, 2017, 09:51:21 PM
I was thinking that ;D
You two can still finish tonight, I can close tomorrow...
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on April 02, 2017, 07:36:30 AM
Plot twist: What if I actually posted my story early and all references of me being late are just planned gamemanship for the Anonymous month? Think of that!  ;)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: ScarletBea on April 02, 2017, 10:15:55 AM
Plot twist: What if I actually posted my story early and all references of me being late are just planned gamemanship for the Anonymous month? Think of that!  ;)
Oooooh, tricky!

Although... does anyone ACTUALLY believe that? ;D
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on April 02, 2017, 10:20:34 AM
Plot twist: What if I actually posted my story early and all references of me being late are just planned gamemanship for the Anonymous month? Think of that!  ;)
Oooooh, tricky!

Although... does anyone ACTUALLY believe that? ;D

We'll find out on May, 1st!
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: JMack on April 02, 2017, 12:18:21 PM
Plot twist: What if I actually posted my story early and all references of me being late are just planned gamemanship for the Anonymous month? Think of that!  ;)
Oooooh, tricky!

Although... does anyone ACTUALLY believe that? ;D

We'll find out on May, 1st!

Some things are possible, but just too unlikely to get worried about.
Like, that Trump will settle in to the presidency, or that the U.S. will let other countries go about their business without interference. Or That Lanko will be early.  8)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on April 02, 2017, 03:16:52 PM
That hurt, @Jmack.

My punctuality being compared to Trump!

Just for more gamemanship, in Anonymous Corpses I insinuated I was in and got three stories attributed to me... and in the end I didn't submit anything  ::)

And I did had some difficulties with the theme, reading some pages back  ::)

Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: J.R. Darewood on April 05, 2017, 10:39:19 PM
Aaaaand I just got an idea for this months contest... oops.

Haha, in that sense I'm even slower than you @Lanko :)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on April 06, 2017, 12:35:12 AM
Aaaaand I just got an idea for this months contest... oops.

Haha, in that sense I'm even slower than you @Lanko :)

Nah, at least you did have an idea!
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: J.R. Darewood on April 06, 2017, 01:43:41 AM
I'll probably never write it b/c life-stuff to do, and there's a long que of ideas in my head not yet finished on paper, but here's what I was thinking:

INTRO: Open with a man with bloody hands and a torn apart home-- he's just beaten his wife-- he's gripping his terrified son, three-or-four years old with a mysterious tattoo of some sort on the back of his neck-- allusion to magic afoot.  Make a reference to the hag next door.

flashback to the guy overwhelmingly falling in love with his wife-to-be-- they're drinking something (she cooked him soup? sharing wine?).  Maybe she's consoling him about the loss of his mother, idk but he goes from not loving her to being overwhelmed with the ecstasy of love.

BODY: Weave between the violence and danger of the current moment-- his wife is trying to leave him and he's threatening to kill her-- to past of running away together being in love, her consoling him about his abandonment issues with his own mother, him using love as a weapon to drive her from her family and friends, to abuse and control her-- he can't tell the difference between love and abuse, he can't see the parallels between his anger at his abused mother leaving him and the same abuse he's inflicting on his wife.

REVEAL 1: At some point in the back and forth above it's revealed the drink they shared in the first flashback (soup? alcohol?) was a love potion concocted by the hag next door.

END SCENE: She's bloody and beaten, the place is torn to pieces, but she's about to make it out the door.  Clutching the child in one hand and his weapon in another (a bat? a staff? a knife? I hadn't decided the time period yet), he threatens to kill their son.

She gets strangely calm and agrees to stay if he releases the kid to her. He releases the kid.  Holding the child she reveals that he never could have hurt the child, she had asked the hag to enchant the child so that any harm that befell the child would also befall his father (the tattoo).  He's relieved that she's not going.  He can't leave her-- but now he wants to hurt her again.  To punish her for hurting him and to prove to himself he doesn't need her by hurting her (even though he obviously needs her-- its the psychic dissonance of hating himself for needing her that drives him to violence).

He hefts the (bat?), an evil gleam in his eyes.  He plans to kill her. "You should have put the mark on yourself."

She looks at him flatly.  "Then you'd never know how much I hate you."

She snaps her son's arm, and the man's bones break, his bat falling to the floor and his arm falling uselessly to the side.

He looks at his wife in horror.

She snaps her sons neck.

The end!!!!!

In retrospect, that might be a little overly dark for this crowd....
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on April 06, 2017, 01:45:31 AM
In retrospect, that might be a little overly dark for this crowd....

A mother "voodooing" her son to kill the father? I want to read that now!
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: J.R. Darewood on April 06, 2017, 01:52:06 AM

I need to learn to write 1500 words without killing half the characters....
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: J.R. Darewood on April 06, 2017, 01:53:28 AM
In retrospect, that might be a little overly dark for this crowd....

A mother "voodooing" her son to kill the father? I want to read that now!

ooohhhh that's perfect!  love potions and voodoo-- it should be set in early 1900s New Orleans!
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lanko on April 06, 2017, 01:53:59 AM

I need to learn to write 1500 words without killing half the characters....

Imagine when you write 150.000  ::) GRRM would blush.

On the other hand, April's theme should allow your characters to... make a plan to survive? Or actually the plan to survive is what kills them?  ::)
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Ty on April 06, 2017, 01:58:30 AM
In retrospect, that might be a little overly dark for this crowd....

A mother "voodooing" her son to kill the father? I want to read that now!

You shouldn't have shared that already, wipe it, expand and enter it. Great idea and agree definitely NOLA
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: J.R. Darewood on April 06, 2017, 02:13:21 AM
In retrospect, that might be a little overly dark for this crowd....

A mother "voodooing" her son to kill the father? I want to read that now!

You shouldn't have shared that already, wipe it, expand and enter it. Great idea and agree definitely NOLA

Aweee Lady Ty-- if only I hadn't thought of it 5 days after the contest closed :)


I need to learn to write 1500 words without killing half the characters....


Imagine when you write 150.000  ::) GRRM would blush.


Yeah, about that.... that's why my 100k word WIP has such a large cast of characters... I need some to survive to the end!!
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: JMack on April 06, 2017, 02:15:35 AM

I need to learn to write 1500 words without killing half the characters....

Why?  ;) ;D
Title: Re: [Mar 2017] - Through the Beast's Eye - Discussion Thread
Post by: Lady Ty on April 06, 2017, 02:37:48 AM
In retrospect, that might be a little overly dark for this crowd....

A mother "voodooing" her son to kill the father? I want to read that now!

You shouldn't have shared that already, wipe it, expand and enter it. Great idea and agree definitely NOLA

Aweee Lady Ty-- if only I hadn't thought of it 5 days after the contest closed :)


Missed that minor detail  :-[ :-[