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Empire of Chains:Prologue-Chapter 14 FIRST 20%
« on: January 28, 2020, 05:53:58 PM »
Post your thoughts on this chapters here.
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Re: Empire of Chains:Prologue-Chapter 14 FIRST 20%
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2020, 07:20:52 AM »
Finished first %20.

3 different stories, 4 including Warrick. They are going to converge but I think it might be better if it was not displayed so plainly.

When I read about Warrick, I recalled the villain in Mistborn. They have similarities but it took more books in Mistborn to reveal his true intentions whereas in EoC Warrick's true self was displayed in the earlier chapters of the first book. "Why not kept it secret for a longer" one thinks.

I have to admit I was a little bit underwhelmed. The dialogues were too straightforward, felt little dept in them. But I still consider the book interesting with the magic, sorcerers, staffs and etc.

I have high hopes this will get better. 6 / 10 for the first part.

Addition: I also dislike when the writer uses real-world references like "September". I want to be separated from the real world completely when I read epic fantasy. But that is my personal preference.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2020, 12:08:13 PM by isos81 »
Kallor shrugged. 'I've walked this land when the T'lan Imass were but children. I've commanded armies a hundred thousand strong. I've spread the fire of my wrath across entire continents, and sat alone upon tall thrones. Do you grasp the meaning of this?'

'Yes' said Caladan Brood. 'You never learn'

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Re: Empire of Chains:Prologue-Chapter 14 FIRST 20%
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2020, 12:00:17 PM »
Can we post plot here to discuss? Or is this spoiler free?
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Re: Empire of Chains:Prologue-Chapter 14 FIRST 20%
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2020, 12:02:42 PM »
Bender, yes, full disclosure.
These threads assume that everyone have already read the section that it refers to :)
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Re: Empire of Chains:Prologue-Chapter 14 FIRST 20%
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2020, 03:56:51 PM »
Note: I read this a couple of years ago so I'm commenting after refreshing my memory rather than a full re-read.

Mostly enjoyed the first 20%. Marcus is my favorite character up to this point, although Ryan does a good job building the other character stories.

Unlike @isos81 I like seeing a lot of Warrick from his own perspective. In fact, I love the idea of books showing the intentions of the villain along with the hero's. So far, Warrick is my second favorite story line (if it can be called a story line).

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Re: Empire of Chains:Prologue-Chapter 14 FIRST 20%
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2020, 03:01:32 PM »
I'm finding it hard to get into for 2 reasons:
1. Writing is stark, utilitarian and utterly stripped of anything emotive.
2. Characters lack dimension and behave logically rather than realistically.

Example:

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Len put a comforting hand on her shoulder, and she felt that attraction to him again. Yes, he was annoying at times, but his concern for her seemed genuine. Maybe she could make room for love in her life. But what about Ander, and their kiss last night? She had never kissed Len, though she'd been tempted on numerous occasions. Ander was the logical choice, of course. A fellow member of the privileged class. Lately, she'd dreamed about a comfortable life with him in the moments when she doubted her chances of killing Warrick, but she couldn't have that life after her father's decision last night.

We have a situation where we have a young women who's conflicted (a) between two attractive people and (b) whether to follow or not, a vengeance which prohibits romance. Quite a complex scenario which is being stripped down to logical choices and the emotive conflict felt by her is totally eliminated.

Happens with pretty much every other character. Berig, Markus, Nadia, Warrick...
« Last Edit: February 05, 2020, 03:31:51 PM by Bender »
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Re: Empire of Chains:Prologue-Chapter 14 FIRST 20%
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2020, 06:53:13 AM »
I'm finding it hard to get into for 2 reasons:
1. Writing is stark, utilitarian and utterly stripped of anything emotive.
2. Characters lack dimension and behave logically rather than realistically.

+1

Haven't you finished first part, yet @Eclipse ?
Kallor shrugged. 'I've walked this land when the T'lan Imass were but children. I've commanded armies a hundred thousand strong. I've spread the fire of my wrath across entire continents, and sat alone upon tall thrones. Do you grasp the meaning of this?'

'Yes' said Caladan Brood. 'You never learn'

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Re: Empire of Chains:Prologue-Chapter 14 FIRST 20%
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2020, 07:48:12 AM »
Not yet starting today  , I catch up with you  :) :) also wanted to let someone else post first hehe
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Re: Empire of Chains:Prologue-Chapter 14 FIRST 20%
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2020, 11:04:13 AM »
Finished first %20.

3 different stories, 4 including Warrick. They are going to converge but I think it might be better if it was not displayed so plainly.

When I read about Warrick, I recalled the villain in Mistborn. They have similarities but it took more books in Mistborn to reveal his true intentions whereas in EoC Warrick's true self was displayed in the earlier chapters of the first book. "Why not kept it secret for a longer" one thinks.

I have to admit I was a little bit underwhelmed. The dialogues were too straightforward, felt little dept in them. But I still consider the book interesting with the magic, sorcerers, staffs and etc.

I have high hopes this will get better. 6 / 10 for the first part.

Addition: I also dislike when the writer uses real-world references like "September". I want to be separated from the real world completely when I read epic fantasy. But that is my personal preference.

I saw the word Karma used too  unless the old world mentioned is indeed earth .

I enjoyed reading most of the different storylines, I did find the Nadia storyline a bit of a struggle preferred the other storylines.

I didn’t like at first how Warrick seems to be manipulating all the other main characters. Would  have liked to see a Mc character not being manipulating a potential future for them by Warrick.

Rik reminds me of a  Kender from dragonlance ,

Who are the other three powers that Warrick is scared off that he has to fight evil with evil. Why can’t he tell the populace what his fighting against for their protection?

Is one of the unknown powers manipulating Warrick with Warrick potentials  future blocked

Is Berig a sorcerer too?

Eek a love triangle . Fuck love triangles (that’s just me)

Oh it feels that everyone we meet  is in the not so secret order hehe.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2020, 11:07:23 AM by Eclipse »
According to some,* heroic deaths are admirable things

* Generally those who don't have to do it.Politicians and writers spring to mind

Jonathan Stroud:Ptolmy's Gate