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Re: [DEC 2016] - Dragons! - Discussion Thread
« Reply #90 on: December 28, 2016, 04:55:40 AM »
Hummmm.... What gives you this impression @Bradley Darewood !?
Soaring means rising in the sky.

Spoiler for Hiden:
in the ending the great dragon offers to carry the MC away and the Mc accepts. They both leave a war torn country.

I obviously need to do some editing...

So here's why I interpreted things the way I did.  I actually waffled on it at first, thinking... is that what happened? AGAIN THESE ARE LEGIT SPOILERS< DON"T READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN"T READ NORAS PIECE
Spoiler for Hiden:
I figured you were using "soar" was a metaphor for the spirit flying away to heaven.  It didn't quite land right, so I would have preferred a different word if you *actually* meant for it to be death. But here's why I left thinking what I did:

#1-- You have a reputation for the dark and somber
#2-- An ouroboros is a snake eating it's own tail, a symbol for infinity, for death and rebirth.  Not so much a dragon, but I figured you were going with a flexible definition.  the theme of death and rebirth fits perfectly with the MC's death, and makes your choice of name metaphorical.
#3-- You've described the ouroboros as being incredibly long, it's slinking around in the darkness like a cave, there's no indication that it *can* fly, and if it could the physical dynamics of something so long flying seemed untenable
#4-- Your MC was in the middle of committing suicide and the Ouroboros was discussing eating her
#5-- Her previous dragon died, and she's depressed, and he's taking her "where your dragon wanted you, somewhere far away, where there is hope still of a better life." after saying that courting pain is no way of living. The whole convo and the existential ennui that overrides the whole discussion made me think of dying and leaving it all behind.  In my imagination, the ouroboros was reuniting her with her dragon by eating her.
#6-- we didn't dwell on the war so much (and that leaving it was even an option) as this overriding depression, the frame we're placed in is a vaguely defined sense of listless unhappiness (conveyed in tone moreso than descriptions of war) and death, as opposed to war and escape.

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Re: [DEC 2016] - Dragons! - Discussion Thread
« Reply #91 on: December 28, 2016, 11:02:38 AM »
Ok, that's really funny, @Bradley Darewood. It reminds me a lot of high and middle school literature classes, when we would pore over stories and interpret things, analyse metaphors and hope to find the secret meaning of the author.
Incidentally this was one of the reasons I never considered writing for myself despite my love for reading. I just figured that this much 'double thinking' made stuff too hard. But quite a few stories seemed to be simple, and I honestly felt like the teacher was digging for stuff that wasn't there...
'why are the leaves red and the sky burning bright?' - 'because it was! that's it, author probably didn't mean anything more by it!' - 'but it's our job to see if...'
I think this is my first case of over interpretation of my work, and given you mostly based it off my reputation, I find it extremely flattering.

So, no, indeed, all I describe is first degree. The O can fly, as it's described as a sub specie of Great Worm, and :
"As a vet I specialised in Lóngs and Worms, fascinated as I am by the intricacies of their innards–the organic equivalent of the finest clockwork, allowing flight without wings."

Spoiler for Hiden:
She (though no gender is provided, funny, you're the second one to jump for female) is indeed depressed, and doesn't see any viable escape from the war. Death could be an escape, and she'd probably welcome it. But the discussion with the Ouroboros is sincere, and the O is being curious. It's intrigued by her mindset, her dialogue, and her ability to converse so well through the emphatic touch. It chooses to reveal itself, and again she reacts well, she isn't scared, she is fascinated.
The O was about to leave, to start over, because everything died from the war where they are, and just takes the MC along. It's truly hopeful...

At least as hopeful as I can make it. But again, in the end, if the double reading makes it a dark piece for you, and you like it best like, then by all means, read it that way!
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Re: [DEC 2016] - Dragons! - Discussion Thread
« Reply #92 on: December 28, 2016, 11:12:33 AM »
At least as hopeful as I can make it. But again, in the end, if the double reading makes it a dark piece for you, and you like it best like, then by all means, read it that way!

Haha, it's probably a personality defect on my part. I'm probably just a very dark person.  I have a hard time even watching disney films without reading something sinister into them....

Spoiler for Hiden:
PS-- funnily enough I have two tattoos: one of a dragon and one of an ouroboros.
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Re: [DEC 2016] - Dragons! - Discussion Thread
« Reply #93 on: December 28, 2016, 02:07:51 PM »
Personally, whenever people start reading deeper and intelligent stuff into my work that I didn't intend, I just bluff and pretend that was entirely what I was going for.

"Er... Yeah, that's right. The pie in the face is totally representative of the effects of Marxism around the world. That's definitely what I was aiming for. It certainly wasn't a cheap joke or anything. Good job on you for noticing." *Looks around shiftily*
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Re: [DEC 2016] - Dragons! - Discussion Thread
« Reply #94 on: December 28, 2016, 02:58:22 PM »
Personally, whenever people start reading deeper and intelligent stuff into my work that I didn't intend, I just bluff and pretend that was entirely what I was going for.

"Er... Yeah, that's right. The pie in the face is totally representative of the effects of Marxism around the world. That's definitely what I was aiming for. It certainly wasn't a cheap joke or anything. Good job on you for noticing." *Looks around shiftily*

That's inevitable, every author will have such tales from readers. Sometimes we do put it there, but not consciously, but as a subconscious reflection of our own interests/experiences outside of fiction. Sometimes it's totally something only seen by someone else due to their own interests/experiences and it matches something not intended by the author by pure coincidence.

I gave you one deeper analysis on a story, I also received for mine in other ocasions... it doesn't take long to see reviews for works out there praising or criticizing something totally outside of authorial intent, from Tolkien to GRRM... People still believe Tolkien's orcs and the Ent stuff were a criticism of industrialization. Or blogs saying how Uprooted is an abusive relationship story, when the characters were nowhere close to anything ressembling such thing or saying how Game of Thrones is a work worshiping fascism.

Can't be helped, things are just too subjective to each individual. The best approach is indeed like how the big names, smile and nod for unintentional success and ignore non-sense criticism  ::)
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Re: [DEC 2016] - Dragons! - Discussion Thread
« Reply #95 on: December 28, 2016, 10:07:07 PM »
Woo hoo, I managed to get something submitted! And it's prose after several months of poetry.

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Re: [DEC 2016] - Dragons! - Discussion Thread
« Reply #96 on: December 29, 2016, 08:27:50 AM »
Got an idea and put down 50 words so far ;D

Let's see what happens.
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Re: [DEC 2016] - Dragons! - Discussion Thread
« Reply #97 on: December 29, 2016, 10:38:15 AM »
Got an idea and put down 50 words so far ;D

Let's see what happens.

You're not taking things too seriously at least!  ::)
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Re: [DEC 2016] - Dragons! - Discussion Thread
« Reply #98 on: December 29, 2016, 11:45:30 AM »
Got an idea and put down 50 words so far ;D

Let's see what happens.

You're not taking things too seriously at least!  ::)

Some people have their bursts of inspiration and get a story submitted in three days after the theme was given. For me it's the reverse and this burst happens at the last three days, save the odd exception now and then  ::)

Maybe I should make this a New Year's resolution... Or not, it's kinda of becoming a FF traditional event by now  ::)
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Re: [DEC 2016] - Dragons! - Discussion Thread
« Reply #99 on: December 29, 2016, 02:56:36 PM »
*phew*

i got a first draft of that book smugglers submission wrapped up yesterday.  percolating on changes today while i write my dragon story for here.

lookit me!  spittin' fantasy words like machine gun fire over here!  rata-tat-tat-tat-tat!!

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Re: [DEC 2016] - Dragons! - Discussion Thread
« Reply #100 on: December 30, 2016, 12:00:09 AM »
totally busted that badboy out. 

*flexes*

1500 words of dragony goodness, with the usual sweet treat of a twist at the end.

now, imma sit on it for a day or so.  make sure i like it as much tomorrow.  then, post it.

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Re: [DEC 2016] - Dragons! - Discussion Thread
« Reply #101 on: December 30, 2016, 04:54:25 AM »
I wrote a bit more tonight and increased my output in 800%. It went to a surprising direction.

800% meaning I have... 400 words.

Yes, let me boast big and enormous percentages to feel good, like a good politician pretending to have done some herculean effort for the good of all and that big number means he knows exactly what he's doing  ::)
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Re: [DEC 2016] - Dragons! - Discussion Thread
« Reply #102 on: December 31, 2016, 05:40:33 PM »
hrm.  posted with relatively few changes.  i must have been in the flow.

anyhow, i'm in!!

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Re: [DEC 2016] - Dragons! - Discussion Thread
« Reply #103 on: December 31, 2016, 06:53:37 PM »
So I've been real busy and sick the past few weeks. Which led to me waking up this morning stressed about the last day of the month with nothing posted. Only for me to turn on my laptop, go into my contest sub-folder, and find I wrote a story in the beginning of the month and forgot about it :-[.

Well I definitely got the 'put it aside and look at it later with fresh eyes' effect I was going for.
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Re: [DEC 2016] - Dragons! - Discussion Thread
« Reply #104 on: December 31, 2016, 10:37:54 PM »
^ @NightWrite, ;D

Yay 14 - plus Lanko, which will submit tomorrow evening ;)
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