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Chapters 15 - 24 (The Third Week/ Quarter)
« on: August 10, 2011, 05:53:42 PM »
Seems most of us are into this section now- but I took a break to read a Flash and Green Lantern adventure fighting gorillas, so will post some more later, but the story is def back on track now!
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Offline Ninevah

Re: Chapters 15 - 24 (The Third Week/ Quarter)
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2011, 10:56:33 PM »
Regardless of all the criticism I've given this book, it kept me up until 2:30am last night.  40 odd pages from the end, and I couldn't keep my eyes open any longer.

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Re: Chapters 15 - 24 (The Third Week/ Quarter)
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2011, 03:23:43 PM »
I'm enjoying the story, but still have a few reservations that stop me from getting into it a bit more. It might just be me, but I think the descriptions of new characters, scenery, Omens, etc, are a bit lacking. The book is clearly intended to be led through conversation, but I still would like to know more about the world around me.

At this point I also think we should know more about the characters, especially Kat, Gariath, and Dread. We have been introduced to a number of interesting characters, but never really get to know more about them or their species. We are told that the Frogman and Abysmiths are grotesque and hideous, but in a world with dragonmen, the thought of fishmen doesn't seem that odd.

But anyway, the story is decent, just a little disjointed. I much prefer it now that the characters aren't bickering quite so much. I'm a little bored of the characters saying about how they don't care about each other - I think this has been a little overdone - but is does seem to be getting toned down as the book goes on.

After having mentioned everything wrong with the book it feels a little odd to admit that I already know I will read Black Halo. I guess the problems I have with it aren't enough to stop me enjoying it.
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Re: Chapters 15 - 24 (The Third Week/ Quarter)
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2011, 09:19:04 AM »
I enjoyed this part of the story. I think it has got past the 'setting up' and has really picked up pace. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the rest of it pans out and I really do want to get my hands on a copy of Black Halo as soon as possible.

I kind of wish I could see a picture of an omen though. The way my brain insists on imagining them is different from how Sykes describes them. :/
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Re: Chapters 15 - 24 (The Third Week/ Quarter)
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2011, 02:20:53 PM »
Certainly the book varies in pace a lot - I think perhaps you can see that Sam wrote the novel over a long, long time. There are certain bits far better than others, but I think as a whole this section was the weakest of the book. It picks up again in the final quarter and the ending is pretty enjoyable :) Left me wanting to pick up the sequel pretty rapidly.
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Re: Chapters 15 - 24 (The Third Week/ Quarter)
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2011, 06:56:11 PM »
Its definitely set up well now for a rip roaring ending. Interesting debate though, do we prefer fantasy novels to throw us right into the action, or carefully set things up with the back story of all the main characters and the legends behind each culture? Should Sykes have taken us through the whole process of the gang meeting up and deciding to adventure together, or is starting half way through the quest right as the pirates first attack just perfect?
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Offline Ninevah

Re: Chapters 15 - 24 (The Third Week/ Quarter)
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2011, 02:57:59 AM »
Its definitely set up well now for a rip roaring ending. Interesting debate though, do we prefer fantasy novels to throw us right into the action, or carefully set things up with the back story of all the main characters and the legends behind each culture? Should Sykes have taken us through the whole process of the gang meeting up and deciding to adventure together, or is starting half way through the quest right as the pirates first attack just perfect?

I think the book started where it should have.  I wouldn't argue that at all.  I think the pacing AFTER he started was what was problematic.  Erikson drops you into the middle of the story with 'Gardens...', and it works fairly well.  I'll admit to being lost for awhile. . . but I think everyone is.  I wasn't really lost with 'Tome', just annoyed and confused as to the intentions of the author.

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Re: Chapters 15 - 24 (The Third Week/ Quarter)
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2011, 05:56:54 AM »
I think this book picked up pace after the initial 25% and I quite enjoy the banter between the different characters. It's a different way of introducing the character's background and believes to the readers. I have the same issue as Vilutheril where my version of an Omen or Abysmyth looks nothing like what Sykes is describing.

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Re: Chapters 15 - 24 (The Third Week/ Quarter)
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2011, 06:59:03 AM »
I would like to see Sam take a hand in writing comics actually, I reckon he d be great at it. Maybe DC should give him a call and ask him to take on one of their characters?
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Re: Chapters 15 - 24 (The Third Week/ Quarter)
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2011, 09:42:58 AM »
I would like to see Sam take a hand in writing comics actually, I reckon he d be great at it. Maybe DC should give him a call and ask him to take on one of their characters?

I agree with that... I think he would be a good comic book guy. There are some cool comic book sketches of his characters on his site (not done by him) but obviously shows he has at least a mild interest in turning his characters into comic art. He also reads a lot of comics I believe (from stalking his Twitter).
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Re: Chapters 15 - 24 (The Third Week/ Quarter)
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2011, 09:50:36 AM »
I'm a bit behind everyone else and forced myself to get to chapter 24 so I could comment today.

This book just isn't floating my boat. The descriptions are all over the place. I still don't have a clear picture in my head of the surroundings, the different characters, the fishmen etc. There isn't enough of a hook for me to be so engrossed in the story not to mind.

I will finish it but I wont be reading any more!
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Re: Chapters 15 - 24 (The Third Week/ Quarter)
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2011, 08:51:57 PM »
I'm still way behind and it's too late for a real discussion but I'd like to post my thoughts up to this point anyway.

At this point I am finding this book tiring and have had to force myself to get to this point.  I am also going to force myself to finish it, but don't expect to pick up the sequel.

In the beginning I found the banter between the characters to be humorous, believable, and a refreshing change from that normally found in the fantasy genre.  Now I just find it tiring.  I think this is something where less would have been more.  There just isn't enough other dialogue.  I gave it a pass in the beginning I think for two reasons.  First, it was different, as mentioned above.  Second, the first couple hundred pages spanned only a few hours time during a vicious battle.  In this setting, large swings in mood, motivation, or character relationships would not have been believable.  By now though, the characters all seem one note.  No one cares about anyone else, they just wait gleefully for the time where a demon will eat someone else's head.

I wish that there was some more back story.  I'm still pretty unclear about why all of these characters are following Lenk.  Kataria just seems to find him interesting and I'm okay with that for her.  For the others though, there must have been some meeting or event that brought them to Lenk.  I think referencing these events would add some desperately needed depth to the book.  I like that the book started with the battle.  I don't need or want it to start with the forming of the group, I just wish it didn't completely ignore the fact that they did for some reason form up.

Was there any foreshadowing about Asper being able to sense (or possibly perform) magic?  I didn't pick up on anything about this so it is a total surprise.  There should have been enough opportunity earlier whenever Dread was performing spells.  Also, I find it annoying that we already have Lenk who is possessed by some other force and can't control his body at some points.  Now we add Asper to the list when Lenk's mystery has yet to be resolved?

Anyway, back to reading.  I need to finish this up so I can move on to something else.  I'm looking forward to Nights of Villjamur, great choice for September.  I've been intrigued since I read the review.

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Re: Chapters 15 - 24 (The Third Week/ Quarter)
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2013, 10:30:12 AM »
Found this section a bit slow until the Longfaces turned up (why are there purple?) with the females as warriors and the males as wizards, Dread certainly doesn't like the  Longface wizard does he as he breaks magic laws (first time I heard about magic has Laws in the story)

What's up with Asper arm least she got more interesting now  :D

I think we should have learned more about Lenk's inner voice by now

Can you really trust a siren :)

Kat and Lenk romance? doesn't really do anything for me as it just doesn't feel believable to me
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